quotes from noetic on this thread -

Your slowpoke-like assertions never cease to amaze me. What has all these nonsense above got to do with the thread/topic?

I am not surprised. intelligence is fast becoming uncommon.

I cant resist calling u an IDIOT.

why is it so difficult for ur retarded maladroit self to simpl

Another ridiculously ignorant maladroit.

.just like u the common mad man on the street of lagos also has an irrational opinion like the one above.

You never cease to amaze as an IMBECILIC slowpoke. what has faith or no faith got to do with the thread?

i do believe  we have a winner here - the most annoying, abusive, obnoxious , foul mouthed , uncouth, supercilious . . .character on the religion thread is none other than noetic   . dawoda nackson taught him well - he's all growed up now  

my position and angst has always been about the moral values in islam. . .  .nothing more.

I   think we need to add contradictory to the list  

noetic2:

God made promises to them. . .  .He fulfilled His promises. . .the path to fulfilment evoked killings and other inactions. . . . but they ended up in the promised land, as originally promised. That to me shows a God who keeps His promises.

What promise did your god make to his "chosen men"? That he will give them the land that belongs to others? Why not make a land that is flowing with milk and honey and give to his "chosen men" if really he is an all powerful and all mighty god? so the only way your god can fulfill his "promise" is by telling his people to kill off others including women and children and sarifice them as burnt offering unto him eh? how is this god any different than the allah you so love to hate? By the way the same god told them to kill the children of their fellow jews if there parents were sinners, the same god advocated sexism and told them to mistreat their women. He also told them to kill each other so many times for one trivial reason or the other. Are all this part of his promise too? How is this god different from allah? remember that this same god says that he remains the same and never changes.

Your slowpoke-like assertions never cease to amaze me. What has all these nonsense above got to do with the thread/topic?

Light up boy, I can see that you are really tensed.   . This is pertinent because your ridiculous assertion that davidylan, osisi and oladegbu make "rational" and reasoned points is only a joke since they do not really agree with each other on their personal beliefs beyond the basic christian proclamation that jesus is the son of god who died on the cross and was raised on the 3rd day. Apart from that davidylan will keep on calling the preachers that osisi considers to be her god's chosen and anointed prophet thieves, frauds, and heretics. Go read up his thread about heretics and thieves that deceive people using the bible, amongst them are pastors who osis not only agrees with their teachings and position about jesus and the bible but holds them in very high esteem. You will say this has nothing to do with anything only because it exposes your flawed arguments that davidylan and osisi are on the same page. They agree only because they believe there is a god that exist but his exact nature and how he operates, they do not share the same beliefs.

The last time I checked, u have repeated this fallacy over 30 times. . .  .u are fast becoming a ridiculous bigot.
1. where is the evidence that supports ur atheistic belief/disbelief?
2. where is the logical evidence that backs ur claim?
3. whats ur alternative to creationism and other pronouncements of God?

If you look around what do you see? Do you see any god? that's enough evidence for me that your god only exists in your imaginations, the fact that you are here trying to defend or make a case for your god is enough evidence that your god only EXITS in your deluded and twisted imaginations, NO god will rely on a know nothing and highly irresponsible empty barrel like you to make a case for him. The fact that you are doing that on your god's behalf speaks volumes.

The bible was written by inspired men of God. That u consider their testimony unacceptable does not discredit such testimony. It reveals the inconsistencies of ur postulations.

Thats a very tall claim, where is your evidence for this? where you there when your god was inspiring them to write down what they wrote?. A claim is nothing but a claim, a little evidence on your side will do. Your god inspired men to write scientific and historical inaccurate accounts? What about the catholic bishops that voted to put the bible together and chose what was the word of god and what was to be discarded, were they also inspired by your god? the scribes that made a lot of copyist errors that are now part of the bible were also inspired by your god?

u keep ranting endlessly. what has this rubbish got to do with the topic?

How is the god of the OT better than allah?

I am not surprised. intelligence is fast becoming uncommon.

Lighten up boy, I can see that you are very tensed, intelligence and you as a person have nothing in common. Stop talking about intelligence because you have NON of it at all.

toneyb:

What promise did your god make to his "chosen men"? That he will give them the land that belongs to others? Why not make a land that is flowing with milk and honey and give to his "chosen men" if really he is an all powerful and all mighty god? so the only way your god can fulfill his "promise" is by telling his people to kill off others including women and children and sarifice them as burnt offering unto him eh? how is this god any different than the allah you so love to hate? By the way the same god told them to kill the children of their fellow jews if there parents were sinners, the same god advocated sexism and told them to mistreat their women. He also told them to kill each other so many times for one trivial reason or the other. Are all this part of his promise too? How is this god different from allah? remember that this same god says that he remains the same and never changes.

Light up boy, I can see that you are really tensed.   . This is pertinent because your ridiculous assertion that davidylan, osisi and oladegbu make "rational" and reasoned points is only a joke since they do not really agree with each other on their personal beliefs beyond the basic christian proclamation that jesus is the son of god who died on the cross and was raised on the 3rd day. Apart from that davidylan will keep on calling the preachers that osisi considers to be her god's chosen and anointed prophet thieves, frauds, and heretics. Go read up his thread about heretics and thieves that deceive people using the bible, amongst them are pastors who osis not only agrees with their teachings and position about jesus and the bible but holds them in very high esteem. You will say this has nothing to do with anything only because it exposes your flawed arguments that davidylan and osisi are on the same page. They agree only because they believe there is a god that exist but his exact nature and how he operates, they do not share the same beliefs.

whats the difference between making a reasonable, logical and seasoned point on one hand and reaching an agreement on the other hand?

If you look around what do you see? Do you see any god? that's enough evidence for me that your god only exists in your imaginations, the fact that you are here trying to defend or make a case for your god is enough evidence that your god only EXITS in your deluded and twisted imaginations, NO god will rely on a know nothing and highly irresponsible empty barrel like you to make a case for him. The fact that you are doing that on your god's behalf speaks volumes.

Thats a very tall claim, where is your evidence for this? where you there when your god was inspiring them to write down what they wrote?. A claim is nothing but a claim, a little evidence on your side will do. Your god inspired men to write scientific and historical inaccurate accounts? What about the catholic bishops that voted to put the bible together and chose what was the word of god and what was to be discarded, were they also inspired by your god? the scribes that made a lot of copyist errors that are now part of the bible were also inspired by your god?

How is the god of the OT better than allah?

Lighten up boy, I can see that you are very tensed, intelligence and you as a person have nothing in common. Stop talking about intelligence because you have NON of it at all.

1. where is the evidence that supports ur atheistic belief/disbelief?
2. where is the logical, intellectual or scientific evidence that backs ur claim?
3. whats ur alternative to creationism and other pronouncements of God?

when u have answers let me know 

noetic2:

whats the difference between making a reasonable, logical and seasoned point on one hand and reaching an agreement on the other hand?

Will you stop talking about reason and logic, you have never made any reasonable or logical point or argument.

1. where is the evidence that supports ur atheistic belief/disbelief?
2. where is the logical, intellectual or scientific evidence that backs ur claim?
3. whats ur alternative to creationism and other pronouncements of God?

when u have answers let me know 

The fact that you are here making a case for your god is enough evidence(logical, intellectual and scientific) that your god exist only in your deluded and confused imaginations. When last did jesus appear to you in your dreams and what did he tell you? .

@ Noetic

I do not believe that my good/fate is dependent on an unseen order (God, Allah, whateva).

I do not adhere to a religion because my life does not involve any practices that are believed to affect or be related to an unseen order.

I'm not an atheist because I do not deny the possibility of a cause to the existence of the universe. If that is what U call "God", then I do not deny the possibility of such to exist.

Can u please make sense of the Genesis creation story in light of modern science.

If u deny evolution as a plausible explanation for human existence, a more plausible one than creationism as described in Genesis, why?

(I know it's off topic but I don't mind starting a new topic if u will answer those questions) If u have any questions about my beliefs that I stated above please feel free to ask.  

toneyb:

Will you stop talking about reason and logic, you have never made any reasonable or logical point or argument.

please shut up   and revisit ur last post.

The fact that you are here making a case for your god is enough evidence(logical, intellectual and scientific) that your god exist only in your deluded and confused imaginations. When last did jesus appear to you in your dreams and what did he tell you? .

is this ur answer?  

Krayola2:

@ Noetic

I do not believe that my good/fate is dependent on an unseen order (God, Allah, whateva).

I do not adhere to a religion because my life does not involve any practices that are believed to affect or be related to an unseen order.

I'm not an atheist because I do not deny the possibility of a cause to the existence of the universe. If that is what U call "God", then I do not deny the possibility of such to exist.

Can u please make sense of the Genesis creation story in light of modern science.

If u deny evolution as a plausible explanation for human existence, a more plausible one than creationism as described in Genesis, why?

(I know it's off topic but I don't mind starting a new topic if u will answer those questions) If u have any questions about my beliefs that I stated above please feel free to ask.  

please open a new thread. . . . I will gladly oblige.

Neotic will you just accept that you only believe what you do based on faith and stop making a fool of yourself?. . . . . . Apart from the bible and all of its unverifiable claims and assertions which you only believe by faith alone what else have you got to show that your beliefs are "true" or better than any body's believes?. . . . .

You only believe the bible based only on faith and faith says that you must believe without evidence and even when the assertions  that are made make no sense at all. . . . . . . . If the bible which you like to present as evidence for your god is incorrect regarding matters that  a person like me can check and verify (such as history, archeology, or science) why should I believe it is correct regarding matters that I can not check and verify such as life after death and how to find everlasting life?

mazaje:

Neotic will you just accept that you only believe what you do based on faith and stop making a fool of yourself?. . . . . . Apart from the bible and all of its unverifiable claims and assertions which you only believe by faith alone what else have you got to show that your beliefs are "true" or better than any body's believes?. . . . .

You only believe the bible based only on faith and faith says that you must believe without evidence and even when the assertions  that are made make no sense at all. . . . . . . . If the bible which you like to present as evidence for your god is incorrect regarding matters that  a person like me can check and verify (such as history, archeology, or science) why should I believe it is correct regarding matters that I can not check and verify such as life after death and how to find everlasting life?

please stop lying and embarrassing urself.

I have never denied that FAITH is an integral component of christianity. but faith is not an excuse for establishing the truth about biblical notions. To discredit the bible on the false premise that we rely on faith is intellectually dishonest.

noetic2:

please stop lying and embarrassing urself.

I have never denied that FAITH is an integral component of christianity. but faith is not an excuse for establishing the truth about biblical notions. To discredit the bible on the false premise that we rely on faith is intellectually dishonest.

What are the "truth" you speak about? What are the biblical notions that are "true"?

mazaje:

What are the "truth" you speak about? What are the biblical notions that are "true"?

Noetic says that "miracles" abound in churches and that his god appears to him in his dreams( the reason his god only appears to him in his dreams is what i can't really understand)

Mama-gee

toneyb:

Noetic says that "miracles" abound in churches and that his god appears to him in his dreams( the reason his god only appears to him in his dreams is what i can't really understand)  

Miracles "abound" in churches no wonder the strongest advocates of miracles like oyahkilome and oyedepo send their family members to get medical treatment abroad when they fell sick. . . . . miracle "abound" in churches yet nigerians christians are still dying of preventable diseases like flies.

Miracle "abound" in churches yet the immediate family members of the people that perform the miracles( pastor Kumuyi) can not be miraculously cured, Kumuyi's wife died of cancer at the young age of 50 ien the deeper lif camp ground where many went to "receive miracless". Miracles abound in churches indeed.

As for his tall claims of his god "appearing" to him in his dreams all I can say is that at least he is honest enough to say that it is only a dream unlike the other fools that write books and sell about how they went to heaven and saw a golden bible sitting on a golden table(in wonder which version or translation of the bible they saw in "heaven". Deluded fools. . . . . .

mazaje:

What are the "truth" you speak about? What are the biblical notions that are "true"?

I am not amazed at ur gullibility any more. . . . . .this was my statement:

the truth about biblical notions.

I believe the subject/object of the truth is not hidden from the statement. . .is it? it does not require common sense. . .does it?

toneyb:

Noetic says that "miracles" abound in churches and that his god appears to him in his dreams( the reason his god only appears to him in his dreams is what i can't really understand)

where did u go to hide ur tails?

Go and answer my questions and stop making a fool of urself.

mazaje:

Miracles "abound" in churches no wonder the strongest advocates of miracles like oyahkilome and oyedepo send their family members to get medical treatment abroad when they fell sick. . . . . miracle "abound" in churches yet nigerians christians are still dying of preventable diseases like flies.

Miracle "abound" in churches yet the immediate family members of the people that perform the miracles( pastor Kumuyi) can not be miraculously cured, Kumuyi's wife died of cancer at the young age of 50 ien the deeper lif camp ground where many went to "receive miracless". Miracles abound in churches indeed.

As for his tall claims of his god "appearing" to him in his dreams all I can say is that at least he is honest enough to say that it is only a dream unlike the other fools that write books and sell about how they went to heaven and saw a golden bible sitting on a golden table(in wonder which version or translation of the bible they saw in "heaven". Deluded fools. . . . . .

you have not said anything that denies the effects of miracles. . . have u?

if this thread where about getting these deluded atheists to explain either evolution or atheism AS A FAITH, they would long have disappeared.

davidylan:

if this thread where about getting these deluded atheists to explain either evolution or atheism AS A FAITH, they would long have disappeared.

bla bla bla sheep. . . . . have you any wool?

mazaje:

bla bla bla sheep. . . . . have you any wool?

yes sir yes sir mazaje's head full.

I created this thread, i want to thank u all for ur digressions. All i asked is ur nomitions and nothing else.

Yes dadde welcome to the religion section. Now you know what this place is about.

Tudór:

Yes dadde welcome to the religion section. Now you know what this place is about.

Yeah it is about a bunch of highly opinionated and egocentric set of young men and women who all feel they know better than the other person.

Jagoon:

Yeah it is about a bunch of highly opinionated and egocentric set of young men and women who all feel they know better than the other person.

and those who judge them.
thanks for the grammar kit anyway.

mazaje:

Miracle "abound" in churches yet the immediate family members of the people that perform the miracles( pastor Kumuyi) can not be miraculously cured, Kumuyi's wife died of cancer at the young age of 50 ien the deeper lif camp ground where many went to "receive miracless". Miracles abound in churches indeed.

The statement above is not true.  Dr. W. F. Kumuyi's wife did not die of cancer, she did not die at the age of 50 and she did not die at "the deeper life camp ground."

I know that as an atheist you are not obliged or committed to saying the truth since you have no reason to do so but to deliberately and with bold face give the wrong information about a person you don't know is pathetic and only confirms that atheists are amoral with no shame at all.

@OLAADEGBU
a very simple google that i just did confirms that mazje is right she did die of cancer but according to the info i googled she died of cancer at the age of 57 not 55 and it was at the International Bible Training Centre. See the evidence below

http://www.africanloft.com/deeper-life-loses-pastor-kumuyis-wife/

manmustwac:

@OLAADEGBU
a very simple google that i just did confirms that mazje is right she did die of cancer but according to the info i googled she died of cancer at the age of 57 not 55 and it was at the International Bible Training Centre. See the evidence below

http://www.africanloft.com/deeper-life-loses-pastor-kumuyis-wife/

I took my time to go through the link you suggested and couldn't find anything that confirms mazaje's claim there. Perhaps I am expecting too much from you atheists. Even when you google facts you still refuse to see it.

So mr oladeegbu the wise, WHAT KILLED THE WOMAN and how old was she??

So mr oladeegbu the wise, WHAT KILLED THE WOMAN and how old was she??

OLAADEGBU:

Even when you google facts you still refuse to see it.

what is wrong with googling facts? Is a fact any less of a fact because it was googled? Why come up with technology if it doesn't make life easier, isn't that the point?

mr olaadegbu, please enlighten us.

But the bible can answer every question, right?

OLAADEGBU:

There are some questions that can't be answered by google.

And u use google all the time prove the evolution is false and that creation is real.

Tudór:

So mr oladeegbu the wise, WHAT KILLED THE WOMAN and how old was she??

And please don't dodge the question answer it.

(1)What killed her and how old was she?

(2)Provide evidence since you know google incorrect?

(3)why is it that her pastor husband can cure other people but cure his own wife?