Why is everyone attacking this A-town of a person, geeeezz, y'all need to relax. His only expressing his own opinion which his entitled to on NL, however, neither would I justifying nor condemn anyone's comments either. This forum is free for all, and it will be fair to say that its quite unjust the way almost everyone has taken out their anger on him, that is just my take on that.

@Manny4life

Why is everyone attacking this A-town of a person, geeeezz, y'all need to relax. His only expressing his own opinion which his entitled to on NL, however, neither would I justifying nor condemn anyone's comments either. This forum is free for all, and it will be fair to say that its quite unjust the way almost everyone has taken out their anger on him, that is just my take on that.

I guess everyone is also "expressing their own opinion" too!, and they are also entitled to it!!

On a serious note sha, "some entitlements" dey turn belle!

A-town is our brother and the so called "attacks" are just "verbal disagreements" with his position,
and dont go beyond the internet.

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[color=#990000][/color] way to go if only the authorities are sincere. but this is naija nothing is really as they seem we can be sure that the amount will give little improvement to d quality of edu.sum people will ve to tk thier cut,abi?God help naija!!!

i want every of my co-Co student should be ready for another civil war against government.if this is true,may the heaviest curse of God fall on Thar childn and Thar entire family

i thought Dr Sam Egwu has debunked the claim

A-town,you are nothing but an idiot.jokes apart.you must be a slowpoke and pple like you dont deserve anything good.e.g,being a member of nairaland. please eat shit and die.do not make the mistake if you have not already,to give birth abeg.we dont want more idiotic pple.

it can't fit happen not when niger is still like this

I don't agree with all of you.
As a matter of fact, this is the only reasonable plan that i have seen from this administration.
University education is not for everybody. Free education up to secondary school stage is enough.
If you really want to go to college, then you should have the brain for it. If you do, there are bursaries and scholarships available.
The reason we have the type of college grads that we have today is because 99% of them used EXPO to get into school.
What is the point of graduating 1 million students every year when you only have 100,000 jobs available.

If you feel you really need to go to college and you are poor and not smart enough, go get a loan.
This may seem harsh but is the best thing that will happen to the education system.
Tertiary education in Nigeria should not be FREE.




im sure ur dad is one of those people implementin d laws or u av a politician syphonin money in ur family, if we suffer,we suffer together.stop yarnin dust abeg

Well, I love the way you all talk. I think the problem of this so-called government is not having the fear of God. Once they are in power they forget how they were before getting there. I think we should pray to God that He should put the right people there for the sake of the masses (poor).
The issue of #180k I think is a dream because if it happens to be real, then the Government should be ready to face the outcome.
A Yoruba adage says " omo to ni iya oun oni sun, oun [font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]na oni foju kan orun".[/color]

Wow, i thought i would come back to this topic and find reasonable responses.
Unncessary passion will not solve the problem. Sometimes bluntness is all you need.

Cheap/Free education is what turned Nigeria to what it is. I am not absolving the govt of any wrong doing as well because they played their own part.
Nigerians have been fed to believe that you must go to college. As a result, we have a total catastrophe.
We have way too many candidates for too few schools and to be honest, the tuition costs can not and will not sustain the system.

For those of you comparing the US/Sweden to Nigeria, please think again.
The US has like 4000 schools. Nigeria had about 35 until the recent inclusion of private uni's which has turned that number closer to the hundreds.
How do you expect to gain quality when you have a student/faculty ratio greater than 2000:1.

The Nigerian economy is not diverse. We have an oil driven economy. As a result., a lot of courses being taught in Nigerian schools are in reality : a pure waste of time.
Students just want a certificate.
Even with a degree in religion, people want to work in an oil company.

Here are the things we know :
-Govt won't pump more money into the tertiary sector
-The system is dying
-We don't have a vibrant enough economy to support as many college graduates.

In lieu of this, a solution is needed. Sitting here and raining curses without offering your own plan/solution is just ludacris.
The thought that everyone in Nigeria has to go to the University needs to be taken off our minds.
If the current global crisis results in a greater demand for alternative energy and crude demand falls seriously by 2015 - 2020, what do you think will happen then?
The one sided economy will collapse. All the people scrambling to go the university because of that dream job will no longer have that dream job.
The financial sector that supports that dream "oil" job will also be gone.

Reducing the acceptance rate into universities will certainly result in better quality education due to a small teacher/student ratio.

Ok

@xyzed23

Please appreciate what you have! Please tell me where University education is cheap in the world. my fees are N8,000,000 per year here in the US!! Thats $50,000x4=$200,000!!

Hmmmmm, You should at least be generous and tell the whole story, as it is?
If you want to use that "relatively HUGE amount" to justify your argument, in the Nigerian context,
You can also add that:

1.)When you finish school and start working, even as a Teacher in the U.S., your salary in just one year, will cover that $50,000!
Tell me which Teacher in Nigeria, even if JESUS comes, will ever earn 5% of that amount (#400,000) annually?

2.) Work or no work, you will get "Unemployment benefits/Job seekers allowance" till you get a job, and the amount you get weekly, approximately #40,000, is more than twice the minimum wage in Nigeria and more than what most Teachers get on a monthly basis over here

3. You can also add that the "Economy" that demands such HUGE amount from you for College tuition, uses the money to "sustain" their standards, get you a "clean accommodation", get you a sound laboratory, ensure your security on campus, provide electricity to run things as required and you're almost sure of getting a job, when you finish your schooling
, unlike where you are comparing it with; where students read with "Lantern" and lecturers, justifiably, can be on strike for non-payment of salaries, for one year! After the "struggle sef", you can roam around for the next five years looking for employment and lack of energy will surely not aid you in setting up self employment!

Nigeria's population, at National level or at Tertiary level, is nothing compared to America, a minuscule! Yet they still provide jobs and educational opportunities for all that are interested and capable.

I wont go further than these but all am saying is that "If we must compare", let us compare "SIMILAR SITUATIONS" and if we must justify a horror, let us at least be "completely open" about it!

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@A-town:
You are no doubt a brilliant person and maybe you mean well but like our Mr. President, you apply your wisdom "upside down"!
Forgive me, l do not mean to be rude and no porn is intended so l will justify my position with some examples:

We have way too many candidates for too few schools and to be honest, the tuition costs can not and will not sustain the system.

For those of you comparing the US/Sweden to Nigeria, please think again.
The US has like 4000 schools. Nigeria had about 35 until the recent inclusion of private uni's which has turned that number closer to the hundreds.
How do you expect to gain quality when you have a student/faculty ratio greater than 2000:1.

True as your assertion about student/faculty ratio is, it is not thecause of the problem, it is only a symptom, an outcome of an underlying issue.
If "number of schools" and/or "student/faculty ratio" was the problem, the solution would have been "build more schools" to increase "Number of schools and reduce the quoted ratio! But do you really believe yourself that more schools will solve our educational problems NO.

The Nigerian economy is not diverse. We have an oil driven economy. As a result., a lot of courses being taught in Nigerian schools are in reality : a pure waste of time.
Students just want a certificate.
Even with a degree in religion, people want to work in an oil company.

Courses studied at University level, any course for that matter, is a journey in acquiring knowledge and preparing the human mind for further challneges.
What you do with such knowledge or where you decide to apply such knowledge is up to you and is a different kettle of fish.
Nigeria is a country where Veterinary Doctors and Dentist roam about looking for JOBS, (Remember NMA just called off a strike last week?) not because our Teeth are not decayed or because we dont own animals or Pets like Dogs and Cats but ,
At least we know that if you studied one of those two courses in U.S.A, you will be very comfortable in life! The pertinent question, which you fail to address (or comprehend) is WHY is Nigeria's case different?

Here are the things we know :
-Govt won't pump more money into the tertiary sector
-The system is dying
-We don't have a vibrant enough economy to support as many college graduates.

In lieu of this, a solution is needed. Sitting here and raining curses without offering your own plan/solution is just ludacris.
The thought that everyone in Nigeria has to go to the University needs to be taken off our minds.
If the current global crisis results in a greater demand for alternative energy and crude demand falls seriously by 2015 - 2020, what do you think will happen then?
The one sided economy will collapse. All the people scrambling to go the university because of that dream job will no longer have that dream job.
The financial sector that supports that dream "oil" job will also be gone.

Again, very brilliant analysis but COMPLETELY MISGUIDED and misapplied!
Why would/should Govt not pump money into education?
If America, as we speak, intends to pump Billions of Dollars into its educational (and Health) sectors, so as to revamp those sectors for the challenge of the 21st century? Despite their level of advancement??

If you take time to look again, you will realize that you are good at stating "THE SYMPTOMS" but you have never delve down deep enough to unearth the CAUSES OF THOSE SYMPTOMS!

, and that is why l likened you to "Umaru" who does not appreciate the problem (exp: he wants to pay Militants monthly income , while leaving unattended, the cause: WHY they became Militants in the first place! FAILURE from start!!)
If we tackle the causative factors of all the symptoms you have listed, then, the symptoms themselves, as in other countries like U.S.A, will disappear.

I have listed HOW TO TACKLE THOSE SYMPTOMS in my earlier posts (you cam reference them) so l wont bother to repeat myself.

But without shying away from a "responsible manner of response", as you require, CORRUPTION is one of those causes, and by far the most potent, of those symptoms you listed.

If all the Billions of Dollars being looted left, right and center (estimated o be around 400Billion Dollars by the World Bank) by the same Government officials that want to increase tuition, are properly managed and applied to the educational and other sectors of the economy, the Dentist, the VET, the IRK graduate will all find somewhere valuable to apply their knowledge.

By the way, University education only "prepares one" for independent reasoning and onward application to particular life problems, encountered in the real world.
So what you read is not of too much importance as long as you dont delve into "specialist roles".

Reducing the acceptance rate into universities will certainly result in better quality education due to a small teacher/student ratio.

My friend, you are patently wrong and this sort of reasoning has no place in a highly diversified and globalized world.
Need l remind you that there are truants, even in Babcock, Convenant, Redeem University and other private Universities, may be on a smaller number, due to the same "small student population" of such schools!

I say increase/improve the facilities instead using Govt funding and when desired standards are attained, and supporting infrastructure for "employment of Technical school graduands" are ready, one can then consider turning University Education to an "Elitist aspiration".

We can not create more of those type of illeterates that set the whole of our Northern Region on fire, sice Sunday!

Thank you.
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Awuf dey purge- free things usually are not valued. So I agree with A town that we must pay for tetiary education. What i dont agree with is the way government has gone about it. You cannot put the cart before the horse and expect to get to your destination. The state of public universities today are not worth anything and degrees being issued are gradually becoming worthless. Already banks and oil companies are recruiting from the private universities, so the selection process is now foreign degree holders followed by private university degree holders then pubic university students. If nothing is done about the situation the dichotomy between polytechnic graduates and uni graduates will be child's play when compared to private and public universities. Once more I agree with A town that primary ,secondary and technical education need to be strengthened .A situation where a student interested in fashion design or cake baking would need a law or medicine degree first would not exist examples being Davida of Davida shirts( a lawyer), Dr Roberts of Roberts cakes( a Doctor) their place in law or med school would have been better utilized by people who seriously wanted to practice those vocations. In little Ghana not everyone scrambles for a degree ,that is because the basic education is good, people can make a good living without a university degree. Many high school Ghanaian students are more articulate than some Nigerian graduates. Nigeria and Nigerians not just government need to get their act together fast.

The only way forward is for our universities, some of whom have been existence for over 40 years, to begin to stand on their two feet.

When they are made to independently source their revenue, then they will pay more careful attention to the quality of service delivered by their lecturers.

@A-TOWN*
IT IS ABSOLUTELY OBVIOUS THAT UR FATHER IS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE DAMAGING THE HEALTH OF THIS COUNTRY,AND BY THE SPECIAL GRACE OF GOD IT WOULDNT LIKE THIS FOREVER.BY THE TIME THE GLORY DAYS OF THIS COUNTRY WILL COME,SETS OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WIL BE NO MORE.
Because ur father got an appointment in the administratn does nt mean you should be quotin what you hear ur father say on the phone or in the living rm.you r a youth and you should be part of the future.why nt think the way u can contribute to all these.oh sorry! I av 4gotin u r nt.
As one of the posters righty said,"you should be stoned to death in your village square" because am very sure u were living in a village b4 ur father got this temporary job.(omo aijobe ri)
U said that the reason why we hav this set grad r because they grad8d tru EXPO,fine but as illogical and crazy that you are,u 4got to think it is only those that av money or beta put those that earn undeserved income just like ur family.
Am very sori 4 u because u av used ur empty brain to drag ur family into insults from all most all gud nairalandes.
My advise 4 u is to apologise and open another account on nairaland because generatns unborn and even foetus in the stomach of all less privileged nigerian might 4gve for this.
By 2011 l knw t wil be bak in ur village.reply me to yarn ur rubbish again.FOOL

@A-TOWN*
IT IS ABSOLUTELY OBVIOUS THAT UR FATHER IS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE DAMAGING THE HEALTH OF THIS COUNTRY,AND BY THE SPECIAL GRACE OF GOD IT WOULDNT LIKE THIS FOREVER.BY THE TIME THE GLORY DAYS OF THIS COUNTRY WILL COME,SETS OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WIL BE NO MORE.
Because ur father got an appointment in the administratn does nt mean you should be quotin what you hear ur father say on the phone or in the living rm.you r a youth and you should be part of the future.why nt think the way u can contribute to all these.oh sorry! I av 4gotin u r nt.
As one of the posters righty said,"you should be stoned to death in your village square" because am very sure u were living in a village b4 ur father got this temporary job.(omo aijobe ri)
U said that the reason why we hav this set grad r because they grad8d tru EXPO,fine but as illogical and crazy that you are,u 4got to think it is only those that av money or beta put those that earn undeserved income just like ur family.
Am very sori 4 u because u av used ur empty brain to drag ur family into insults from all most all gud nairalandes.
My advise 4 u is to apologise and open another account on nairaland because generatns unborn and even foetus in the stomach of all less privileged nigerian might 4gve for this.
By 2011 l knw t wil be bak in ur village.reply me to yarn ur rubbish again.FOOL

deb:

Its never been free.

@ A-town

u r incredibly stupid, graciously foolish
Are u paid to open toilets from ur mouth?.
Better Bleep outta here if u have nothing to say
Simply because ur modafcuking father steals dough from the unfortunate ones to send u to skool, u think u can open your trap everywhere
Sorry, better perform a mental check on ur system, IDIOT

I'm baffled at the quality of idiots nairaland has raised. People now have a free platform to exercise their foolishness without a rethink

@ nex
What do u call scholarships for the intellected who can't afford the 180k
Have u seen what is happening to scholarships now. The children of rich but foolish idiots always have their names filling the pages of the scholarship that was meant for the poor intellected ones.
So where do the poor but bright students run to.

Mind u, i can comfortably afford that amount on my own even without my parents (afterall, am the one paying my fees now), but when i turn around to see some bright students who struggle extra hard just to make about 20k to pay their fees, i feel like roasting people like u and A-town who think 180k is ideal[size=8pt][/size]

As 4 ur curse, God has already punished ur papa, mama, sisters and ur brothers toto and prick b4 them even comot 4 their mama belle.

@importanti

from the kind of message you've just posted, it is clear that the cheap and free education in our higher institutions needs to be scrapped.

From the way you expressed yourself, it is obvious that while in school, you have not supplemented you lectures with tutorials from the internet and other sources.

You are literate to an extent, but miseducated.

When JAMB results come out and they publish the list of the top performing candidates, what has that got to do with whether someone's parents are rich or poor? When WAEC results come out and you see the top performing students, what sold has the wealth of their parents got to do with it?

So when you apply for a scholarship with 9 distinctions and a JAMB score of 320, they will take it and give to a rich dull kid? How many really rich people did you know applied for scholarship? Please get your head straight. First you people say the children of the rich have gone to school abroad, then next you claim they are the ones getting all the scholarships in our Public Schools. Can't you guys stick to one story?

This idea was not invented by the Federal Government in 2009. It was the AUTONOMY that was sold to the Obasanjo administration by a council of University VCs, led by the Vice Chancellor of the University in about the year 2001 as the only means to save Nigerian universities. The only disagreement the Government had with the schools is that if they were going to be charging so much and deciding how it should be spent, then there should be no need for the Federal Government to be paying staff salaries anymore. That was when they dropped the plan.

Are you saying that the Professors and VCs who came up with this idea, the same Professors who educate you are stupid? If so, then I can understand why you are no different.

Just the way you argue here, there are people arguing that government should make Pilgrimage to Mecca and Jerusalem free by paying ticket fares, accommodation and feeding. I hail thee!

Na Barawo bi the Nigerian government?
Instead of the government to give that 180,000 to each and every Nigerian students as scholarship to support their studies, they are d one looking for the students to pay that amount?

nex:

@importanti

from the kind of message you've just posted, it is clear that the cheap and free education in our higher institutions needs to be scrapped.

From the way you expressed yourself, it is obvious that while in school, you have not supplemented you lectures with tutorials from the internet and other sources.

You are literate to an extent, but miseducated.

When JAMB results come out and they publish the list of the top performing candidates, what has that got to do with whether someone's parents are rich or poor? When WAEC results come out and you see the top performing students, what sold has the wealth of their parents got to do with it?

So when you apply for a scholarship with 9 distinctions and a JAMB score of 320, they will take it and give to a rich dull kid? How many really rich people did you know applied for scholarship? Please get your head straight. First you people say the children of the rich have gone to school abroad, then next you claim they are the ones getting all the scholarships in our Public Schools. Can't you guys stick to one story?

This idea was not invented by the Federal Government in 2009. It was the AUTONOMY that was sold to the Obasanjo administration by a council of University VCs, led by the Vice Chancellor of the University in about the year 2001 as the only means to save Nigerian universities. The only disagreement the Government had with the schools is that if they were going to be charging so much and deciding how it should be spent, then there should be no need for the Federal Government to be paying staff salaries anymore. That was when they dropped the plan.

Are you saying that the Professors and VCs who came up with this idea, the same Professors who educate you are stupid? If so, then I can understand why you are no different.

Just the way you argue here, there are people arguing that government should make Pilgrimage to Mecca and Jerusalem free by paying ticket fares, accommodation and feeding. I hail thee!

So far you are the only one that has made a credible statement on the topic.
Most of the people raining curses only go a step ahead to show that Tertiary education in Nigeria is dead.
They are ashamed of using their original profiles so all they do is open a new profile in order to rain curses.
This is a forum. I don't know you and you don't know me. I am not here to prove that i am intellectually sound. I don't need to.
I can say what i want whenever i want. It is left for you to either accept or submit a rebuttal.
Do people actually think the curses will do anything to me.

It is high time Nigerians stop sitting on their fat asses and profer solutions.
You rain curses all day without any solution and someone profers one and you turn it into a fight in Oshodi market.

Even if the government will take $10,000 from students as tuition fees, the education standard will not change. There will be even more corruption in the higher institutions, and it will become a market place of becoming rich quickly, haba, think about it, how many Nigerians deserve to have Higher Education? How many of them can afford even 10,000 Naira per year?

The government should use 20% to 30% of the budget on Education for 10 good years and see the result yourself.

Invite Foreign Universities to establish in Nigeria, and encourage investors to build more private universities, and then we will have proportion based education i.e. those who can afford the expensive one can go, and those who cannot, then can go to the free government funded universities.

Grant the Universities Autonomy now, then privatize them in the nearest future. At the most, by 2020 all universities in Nigeria should be in private hands.

auwal87:

Even if the government will take $10,000 from students as tuition fees, the education standard will not change. There will be even more corruption in the higher institutions, and it will become a market place of becoming rich quickly, haba, think about it, how many Nigerians deserve to have Higher Education? How many of them can afford even 10,000 Naira per year?

The government should use 20% to 30% of the budget on Education for 10 good years and see the result yourself.

Invite Foreign Universities to establish in Nigeria, and encourage investors to build more private universities, and then we will have proportion based education i.e. those who can afford the expensive one can go, and those who cannot, then can go to the free government funded universities.

Good idea.
As per foreign univs establishing in Nigeria, i believe that is already evident in some of the private universities.
With regards to the budget, thats a long shot that'll probably not happen anytime soon. 40%. The idiots in power won't do it so we need another option.
One thing i have noticed is that the guys in charge of our instituitions also have a role to play. They idolize money too much. Most of the professors and lecturers we have now are just in it for the job and the MONEY. Gone are the days when they were satisfied with being the one that tutored the great achieving Nigerian students.
If the lecturers focused more on professionalism and knowledge, just maybe they may start receiving grants to perform productive researches.
Research grants and funds are the tools that help fund tertiary institutions. Big colleges all over the world have massive Endowments.

@auwal

I don't get your logic. You make the blanket assertion that  even $10,000 tuition fees would not make a difference to the quality of service in public universities and yet you are now saying that the govt should pump as much as 30% of its budget into the same public universities and there would be a difference!

You also say that the govt should encourage the formation of more private universities. With even more private universities producing ever more graduates and carrying out more productive research there would be little incentive  for the government to further subsidize public universities!

auwal87:

Even if the government will take $10,000 from students as tuition fees, the education standard will not change. There will be even more corruption in the higher institutions, and it will become a market place of becoming rich quickly, haba, think about it, how many Nigerians deserve to have Higher Education? How many of them can afford even 10,000 Naira per year?

The government should use 20% to 30% of the budget on Education for 10 good years and see the result yourself.

Invite Foreign Universities to establish in Nigeria, and encourage investors to build more private universities, and then we will have proportion based education i.e. those who can afford the expensive one can go, and those who cannot, then can go to the free government funded universities.

this is the reason why Abama united state president can not visit Nigeria, the only country where they rig election and kill thier opponent.AM ASHAME OF THESE COUNTRY

is there still a hope a survival in this country. how many of hem gat tere kids schooling in this country. i doubt if every thing cud well or is it a sign of the end time that the bible talks abt. i need some one to tell me.

We keep idealizing all the time: 30% for Education, 50% for Niger Delta, 20% for health, then what of power, transport, jobs, security, housing, subsidies, foreign reserves, civil servant salaries, NTA and debt management? What about the other states of the federation? What about the Federation account? All these should not be budgeted for? What about our embassies abroad?

We can't afford 30% for Education alone, not that we don't wish it.

You people keep talking about Federal Government all the time, but what about your parents. In civilized countries, parents start saving for their children's education right from birth. Here we seek charity.

You should be looking to your parents for school fees not Government, unless you weren't brought into this world on purpose.

nex:

We keep idealizing all the time: 30% for Education, 50% for Niger Delta, 20% for health, then what of power, transport, jobs, security, housing, subsidies, foreign reserves, civil servant salaries, NTA and debt management? What about the other states of the federation? What about the Federation account? All these should not be budgeted for? What about our embassies abroad?

We can't afford 30% for Education alone, not that we don't wish it.

You people keep talking about Federal Government all the time, but what about your parents. In civilized countries, parents start saving for their children's education right from birth. Here we seek charity.

You should be looking to your parents for school fees not Government, unless you weren't brought into this world on purpose.

What are talking about?Has FG provided the necessary enviroment for parents to make money to take care of their kids?

@asha80

I try my best to express myself in the simplest form of the most understood language in the world. I can't explain why you don't understand what am talking about.

The government should provide the environment for your parents to get rich? Find any of your neighbours that can afford the necessities of life and ask them whether it was the Ghanaian government that provided the environment for them.

Are you telling me that you already convinced yourself that you have a right to be poor?

u know thats why i love our government because one of their 7 point agender is to make Nigeria the largest black country with the highest number of illiterates in short a breeding place for illiterates. Hails to the Nigerian government!!!