forgiveness:
My 23 man list for the world cup

GK

1. Vincent Enyeama
2. Daniel Akpeyi
3, Alampasu


DF

4. Leon Balogun
5, Elderson Echiejile
6, Troost Ekong
7, Awazeim
8, Shehu Abdullahi
9. Ola Aina
10. Tiago Ilori



MF

11. Mikel Obi
12. Joel Obi
13. Onazi Ogenyi
14. Wilfred Ndidi
15. Mikel Agu
16. Sone Aluko


Attack


17. Alex-iwobi
18. Ahmed Musa
19. Odion Ighalo
20. Victor Moses
21. Simon Moses
22. Kelechi Iheanacho
23.Kayode Olanrewaju


Modified

Mickael2:



this is how you all blow things out of proportion. I was merely pointing out that Low and Klinsman are all tactically astute german managers unlike Rohr.


Also do you think the german team established a bonafide second eleven by playing the same team over and over again? I mean you don't change a winning team right?

forgiveness:

From the la Liga, Bundesliga, Seria A, EPL, Pro league and Eredivise.
Are you aware?

kennysville:
Has anyone ever wondered what our Olympic games outing would have been like had we featured Iheanacho, Iwobi, Ndidi and other intelligent players? But fact is we never saw conspiracy of the highest order. How convenient it was for Wenger to stop Iwobi, and how Baldiola too stopped Nacho, how Conte made Mikel choose between pre season and olympic games.
So now after stoppin the poor Iheanacho from playing at the olympic games, he would go on to confine the innocent boy to da bench, drilling him till every bit of skill almost faded out. I remember when the boy got into city's first team in their pre season and Iheanacho was played as a 10. Boy, can this dude pass? He scored and had assists.

Naija wake up! White people no want us successful at anything. Thats a story for another day

komekn:


Tiago Ilori for me non starter. I could be biased but I've seen him up close and personal and he didn't cut after so many chances at Liverpool.

komekn:


There are some things that are without contention.

To play for a top club you have to be a top player. Top clubs are in the top leagues.

What are the top leagues Where should we be looking at possible options. If you are not playing first team football should you be in consideration ceteris paribus.

Mickael2:



no we don't pull down and start afresh, however when you watch our game against before that SA match and then the game after that SA match you will notice the stark difference in quality, why? Because of those three guys I named who were all missing.


A rookie is a rookie

jihday:
at international level? coaches hardly have time to tinker with formations and players the way they like, they don't have the luxury of that time.

kennysville:


Conspiracy of the highest order!
O pari

edi287:

The Mikel Agu sub isn't that bad. Mikel Agu was simply nervous but managed to recover afterwards. Etebo wouldn't have been able to replicate Onazi ball winning abilities upfront(which Ndidi sort of did) while Ogu's lack of mobility might have been an issue if he played deep.

komekn:


Some of those players are on the fringe of the first team in thier clubs. Until we test them in friendlies caithness other options I am not sold on some of them.

Shockingly for some I guess, I would like to see Obagoal. He's cutting it in the Chinese league so why not.

I have question marks on❓
Musa
Omeruo
Echiejile
Awaziem

Icon4s:


TheGoodJoe what do you say here?

TheGoodJoe:


Rohr has done it, even during games unless you are saying Rohr is not coaching international football.

Icon4s:


Bringing in Kayode to play alongside Iheanacho would have definitely changed the shape of the team. Besides we were already playing on a 4-3-3 formation.

Talking about change of personnel to give the passes, who was that personnel from the bench that you think Rohr should have introduced? I hope you are not suggesting Mikel Agu.

Fringes:


Bro, we meet here again. Still expectant.

Safarigirl is now in the crib. Spoke to Terzum. I think Mujtahida and Humility017 would make excellent additions. What do you think?

Mujtahida:

I thought I had you caged but you still found room for movement inside the cage. Weh done

Oasis007:
Tactically, except we are fooling ourselves, Rohr is an average Coach. He's a kinda Coach that so much believe in Players discipline and commitment on the Pitch.

A kinda Coach that would psyche up his Players to get the job done anyhow they deem fit. If we really wanna excel in Russia, I think a tactically sound Assistant Manager needs to be hired to replace Salisu Yusuf.

On the Players selection for the World Cup; I think the List made by Forgiveness is almost perfect, except Ezenwa should replace Akpeyi, and Ogu makes way for Ajagun. Onazi, Ndidi, Agu, Joel Obi, even Mikel Obi and Etebo can play either DMF or CM, hence at least a natural AM is needed in the Team.

I wouldn't mind if Nwakali is listed for the Tourney to understudy the Senior Colleagues at the expense of Joel/Agu.

forgiveness:

Is he good with his head?

chrisooblog:
yes i watched the game zambians scored a goal few minutes in we roared back. we were dominating them through okocha's inspired play removed JJ to go defensive midfield almost completely collapsed. zambians troubled us through kalusha bwalya for the final few minutes. zambians have always been competitive against us which results over the years have shown so it was wrong using them as a yardstick. just accept you goofed there then we can move on to other aspects of this discussion

signz:

We seem to have forgotten Onuachu.
Is his style not similar to Tammy?

Icon4s:


Against SA you meant.

In that game we were losing the midfield battle so bringing out a midfielder to introduce Kayode so we have two strikers upfont would only spell more doom. The problem in that game was that we were not getting enough balls to the lone striker (Iheanacho). Ihenacho seemed to have mobility issues in that game so Kayode a more mobile striker was brought in for Iheanocho. Also Kayode as we know is good at one on one situations which we needed at that point to get the goal due to the lack of balls as earlier stated

Substitutions depend a lot on balance of play. You saw what happened to Shakespeare's Leicester City against Arsenal when Iheanacho was introduced and a midfielder(forgotten his name) was pulled out, Leicester collapsed and Arsenal won.

It is not all the time that when you are chasing a game that you introduce a second striker. Some times you do a like for like, depending on the balance of play.

TheGoodJoe:


Great addition to the group. The more our voices are heard, the louder our cries and possibly a chance to make the much needed changes our football.

Mujtahida:

On your first paragraph: have you not heard or experienced those average students in Nigeria who went to the UK and got first class? How come? What happened? I'm not saying Rohr is average or not. I am saying comparing him with others like Klinsmann or Leow is not it.(you didn't mention Klinsmann and Leow sha)

Ogu has been more like a fan on the bench. If he misses this World Cup again like he did 2014 he will madt oo. Biko

forgiveness:



First of all, we need to know the position Onazi played before he was injured and who should replace him in that position.

Onazi Ogenyi was the CMF and also played the box to box role while Ndidi played in the DMF role.


Who was the natural and perfect replacement available for that role? John Ogu and no one else because he was the only natural CMF on the bench.


However, John Ogu coming in as a direct replacement for Onazi would have been a very bad choice.

1. He is slow and we already have another slow player in the mold of Mikel Obi on the field.

2. He is only offensive and his defensive ability is poor compared to Onazi.

3. His tackling about is not as good as Onazi hence the need to bring some one who can defend, tackle and do the dirty job in the midfield.

In regards to the obvious reasons stated above, it would have been unwise to bring in John Ogu.

Bringing in Aina for Shehu Abdullahi to move to the DMF position is a big gamble and is equally out of the equation.

That was why bringing in Agu who is a natural DMF was the best option based on the options on the bench.

What the did was to bring in Mikel Agu to Wilfred Ndidi' position and move Ndidi to the CMF position. It was very easy to decide like that based on the situation on ground.

That's was why I wasn't not worried about Mikel Agu when he came in to replace Onazi. I even demonstrated that when many here panicked and kicked against him by saying 'make una no worry....'.

Fringes:


I need you to help speak with all the quality people you know and have a good relationship with. I really dislike the cold shoulder I have received over time from so many folks. I "chased" you, for example, for nearly eight months! I understand the reasons though. People can be quite reluctant to talk to totally new people and give up the freedom to be totally unknown, a feature NL offers. The sad part is that I believe Europeans monitor this thread while our own chiefs may have no idea of the enormity of options and suggestions you guys put up regularly here. In addition, folks who join us wouls also be able to channel their passion directly to source, and would also have a clearer idea of what our issues really are.

Meanwhile, I am still expecting the alternative # you spoke to me about. We must make the right calls at/to/around the ears of the right people. I have had to create time to write on this thread a little more than I may have wanted while we try to get the people we want to join us. Once we complete that, I would be back to my regular.

Mickael2:


you just said we dominated through JJ, how then did I goof by saying that Westerhof produced a team that could dominate any african team. Simple question, did we dominate Zambia or not? For like 90% of the game

TheGoodJoe:


What about taking off Etebo or Onazi who were woeful with their passes and putting Iwobi on that position? Rohr made the wrong call because he did nothing to sort the lack of supplies.

Mujtahida:

On your first paragraph: have you not heard or experienced those average students in Nigeria who went to the UK and got first class? How come? What happened? I'm not saying Rohr is average or not. I am saying comparing him with others like Klinsmann or Leow is not it.(you didn't mention Klinsmann and Leow sha)

Ogu has been more like a fan on the bench. If he misses this World Cup again like he did 2014 he will madt oo. Biko

TheGoodJoe:


Both of us have pointed that also. I have repeatedly hammered Iheanacho should study Firmino and try to drop deep when he is marked tightly to evade the markers. However, the point is why is it people are so easy to criticise Nacho and find it hard to criticise the likes of Ighalo.

Ighalo had a poor game but the epistle is still Iheanacho. That is why I say lots of the criticism are biased and flawed.

chrisooblog:
we didn't dominate them throughout the game they gave as good as what we threw at them. our better quality edge us over them. exactly like the game panned out this past saturday