vankelvin:
The hypocricy about this whole invasion thing stinks.

Those hypocrites at ECOWAS headquarters should come out and tell the World the difference between the Coups in Guinea, Mali, Burkina ,Niger VRS what Allassane Quattara and Faure Gnassinbge did in their respective countries?
ECOWAS can't keep cherry picking and expect all member countries to support their decisions.

Let's break it down one by one or put them in context.

1) Coup in Guinea was understandable and ECOWAS have now resolved to amend their constitution preventing leaders from seeking third term. That is in the works. If ECOWAS doesn't have that in their code, you don't expect them to interfere in Guinea when a president amends constitution for third term.

2) Coup in Mali was first based on insurgency. This is where ECOWAS allowed France lead the campaign against the terrorists in Mali in 2012. After 2012-2013, France was largely disappointing in their fight against the terrorists. The coup then happened in this frustration but was still condemned by ECOWAS. They tried to use diplomacy but as you can see, diplomacy didn't work.

3) Coup in Burkina, almost same as Mali. They took lessons from Mali. ECOWAS again used diplomacy and sanctions, but it seems not to have worked again.

4) Coup in Niger, almost same script again, same playbook and ECOWAS has seen enough. This time they put the option of force there as well to do something differently.

vankelvin:
The hypocricy about this whole invasion thing stinks.

Those hypocrites at ECOWAS headquarters should come out and tell the World the difference between the Coups in Guinea, Mali, Burkina ,Niger VRS what Allassane Quattara and Faure Gnassinbge did in their respective countries?
ECOWAS can't keep cherry picking and expect all member countries to support their decisions.

Exactly this .... Nigeriens are the poorest in this Subregion because of France..... Their citizens are all over the Subregion begging for money on the streets and most of the countries have tolerated this for some time now.

They want better and this time round they are demanding it

GeneralDae:

Let's break it down one by one or put them in context.

1) Coup in Guinea was understandable and ECOWAS have now resolved to amend their constitution preventing leaders from seeking third term. That is in the works. If ECOWAS doesn't have that in their code, you don't expect them to interfere in Guinea when a president amends constitution for third term.

2) Coup in Mali was first based on insurgency. This is where ECOWAS allowed France lead the campaign against the terrorists in Mali in 2012. After 2012-2013, France was largely disappointing in their fight against the terrorists. The coup then happened in this frustration but was still condemned by ECOWAS. They tried to use diplomacy but as you can see, diplomacy didn't work.

3) Coup in Burkina, almost same as Mali. They took lessons from Mali. ECOWAS again used diplomacy and sanctions, but it seems not to have worked again.

4) Coup in Niger, almost same script again, same playbook and ECOWAS has seen enough. This time they put the option of force there as well to do something differently.

Why Niger?

This is what makes ECOWAS a hypocrite institution. We saw a good number of Heads of State at Allassane and Gnassingbe's swearing in knowing very well those guys extended their tunure of office illegally.
ECOWAS should mind their business and allow Coup plotters in Niger to do their thing.

GeneralDae:

But ECOWAS including Nigeria and Ghana have never tolerated these kind of things especially when you hold a sitting president captive and do not release him.

Also, Nigeria especially doesn't want Wagner or Russian puppets in Niger because Nigeria is completing her gas pipeline soon and in collaboration with Bazoum, the project through Niger to Algeria was to be flawless.

Russia would not want such a project passing from Nigeria through Niger to Algeria and then Europe. The Algerian end has even been completed already.

And you don't know that France through it pauper regime in Niger is the reason why the project for the past 20 years has never broken ground in Niger?

You guys should be worried about the poverty France has instituted in the subregion

Those guys are really suffering and what they need now is peaceful resolution not military invasion Those taking decisions a ECOWAS are not smart.

Just40:
Exactly this .... Nigeriens are the poorest in this Subregion because of France..... Their citizens are all over the Subregion begging for money on the streets and most of the countries have tolerated this for some time now.

They want better and this time round they are demanding it

vankelvin:
Those guys are really suffering and what they need now is peaceful resolution not military invasion Those taking decisions a ECOWAS are not smart.

ECOWAS is being used to foster French interest at the moment... We need to give these French pauper states in ECOWAS a choice, either West Africa interest or France.

They should choose and leave

vankelvin:
Those guys are really suffering and what they need now is peaceful resolution not military invasion Those taking decisions a ECOWAS are not smart.

The junta has already declined a peaceful resolution and there targeting individuals and groups in the country that don’t agree with them as you type this nonsense.

Just40:
ECOWAS is being used to foster French interest at the moment... We need to give these French pauper states in ECOWAS a choice, either West Africa interest or France.

They should choose and leave

The possible West African Intervention has nothing to do with France or the West; most of the remaining ECOWAS members are Anti-French in Africa.

The current coup leader in Niger is a general that was about to be sacked. To save himself he seized the opportunity exploiting the legitimate grievance of the populace in order to establish a new dynasty made up of his family and friends. He’s already made it clear he has no attention of converting to civilian rule.


Nigeria for example doesn’t give two $hits about ma taking France’s non anti-terrorist interest in the region especially since they’re a direct obstacle to Nigeria’s; not to mention everybody is aware of France’s Neo-colonialism. The country similar to Mali is just turning into another hotbed basket case of various Juntas factions, islamist, French muppets, and now foreign mercenaries in the form of Wagner who are run by Russia another Neo-colonialistic nation. A breeding ground from he11. Nobody wants that at there border.

If they’d just agreed to set a deadline for the conversion to civilian rule nobody besides France would have cared.

If Nigeria is forced to take military action it will be to install its own regime independent of France, Russia, islamist etc.

vankelvin:
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Why Niger?

This is what makes ECOWAS a hypocrite institution. We saw a good number of Heads of State at Allassane and Gnassingbe's swearing in knowing very well those guys extended their tunure of office illegally.
ECOWAS should mind their business and allow Coup plotters in Niger to do their thing.

I just explained in my previous post why Niger. I don't think you read it.

ECOWAS used diplomacy and sanctions for Mali and Burkinafaso but it didn't work. Now they are fed up with just that strategy.

In ECOWAS constitution (so to say), they have a signed agreement in 1993 that allows them to intervene in such things only.

Their legal framework doesn't have within it, terms to intervene when members decide to tweak or change their constitution, only when a sitting president is forcefully removed or the sitting president rejects the will of the people in an election, or when there is a crises that removes the Government, are they allowed to intervene.

If Ghana amends their constitution today, ECOWAS cannot intervene.

vankelvin:

We all can't be hypocrites like ya
When Allassane and Gnassingbe extended their tenure of office illegally what did ECOWAS do?

because ECOWAS leadership has always been cowards...or most leadership ...west Africa will never be stable like this...soon we might get another coup in Niger or even mali..when they stop liking the current leader...the trend of coups is too much...soon the entire WA is going to be under military

Luzebox:
because ECOWAS leadership has always been cowards...or most leadership ...west Africa will never be stable like this...soon we might get another coup in Niger or even mali..when they stop liking the current leader...the trend of coups is too much...soon the entire WA is going to be under military

When ECOWAS intervenes in English speaking and Portugese speaking West Africa like Liberia, Sierra Leone, Gambia, SaoTome, and more recently Guinea Bissau (whose President is currently being protected by ECOWAS military with 172 soilders Buhari sent from Nigeria in 2022 at the request of Guinea Bissau president), why do people not accuse ECOWAS of doing the bidding of the West or France?

Nigerian soilders have been in Liberia and Gambia till this day and trains the Liberian airforce. It's so less complicated but when it comes to French colonies, it's always complex why?

GeneralDae:

When ECOWAS intervenes in English speaking and Portugese speaking West Africa like Liberia, Sierra Leone, Gambia, SaoTome, and more recently Guinea Bissau (whose President is currently being protected by ECOWAS military with 172 soilders Buhari sent from Nigeria in 2022 at the request of Guinea Bissau president), why do people not accuse ECOWAS of doing the bidding of the West or France?

Nigerian soilders have been in Liberia and Gambia till this day and trains the Liberian airforce. It's so less complicated but when it comes to French colonies, it's always complex why?

Because it doesn’t fit the current black & white narrative being chest beat by the wannabe Hebrew pyramid internet warrior types.

They’ve already set the scenario in their heads and they don’t want to hear or accept any other viewpoint. Nothing else matters.

The junta are freedom fighters kicking out France and preparing to create Wakanda.

While anyone that even slightly doesn’t agree with them is an evil western whiteman or a black slave doing France’s bidding.

It’s either one or the other with them.🙃

Of course none of them actually plan on moving to Niger or Mali let alone fighting the righteous battle on ground with the “freedom fighters”.

Even if the the Junta government is completely left alone and everything begins to inevitably crash & burn or at least enter endless stagnation with no shreds of Wakanda in sight it will be everyone else’s fault but the Junta government.

The question remains...why West africa has so many coups? Is it due to low levels of developments?
Is it due to french influence? But i doubt that because gambia,sierra leone,liberia,ghana,nigeria,etc were not french colonies.So why the coups?
May be there is a curse? Who knows?
Or may be there is some cultural stuff which makes the folks to love to be on top no matter what!?
Is there a nation in west africa which didnt fall into a coup?

In this part of the world where I am, we have tanzania,kenya,malawi,zambia,botswana,namibia,etc,which never experienced a coup.

I congratulate the kenyans for a bold decision which they have made by abandoning the arguments in online media. The truth have finally sunk in their hard skulls.
They have now realized that lies and deception wont help help. Fake data and fake statistics wont help a country.
They have now known, Tanzania is ahead. No need to waste time arguing.
Kenyans have embraced the bitter truth finally.
Quietly they have dissapeared.Quietly they are digesting the bitter truth which is right in their faces.
Kenyans are now wiser.They have chosen a right path.
No amount of arguing was going to be enough to put "unga" on the table.
Conratulations again
But this didnt just happen. It took years of planning by us the TZ folks by doing stuff which are now bearing fruits and more fruits are coming. Transforming our agri sector until we are now the bread basket of the region. Forming policies and eradicating tribalism was at the core of everything until now we are tribeless folks.
Industrialization is gaining ground,they are busý importing our stuff.
Big projects which are ongoing are busy stripping them naked. Imagine the electric SGR of TZ! Imagine the hydo dams! The nucleur stuff. The 42 billion dollars LNG.The 20 billion dollars carbon trading. Imagine the brand new Dodoma city! Imagine the bridges and stuff!
How could they be here and witness all that?

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Testing of electric cargo locomotives for Tanzanian SGR....

Cargo big engine for Air Tanzania

Another new railway line to start construction in this financial year. Almost 1,000 kms in length of electric railway line in the south of tanzania...

Mtwara to mbambabay railway will cost about 6.5 billion dollars by our rough estimations. The railway will majoly service coal mines and iron ores mines with a branch linking malawi.Tanzania has billions of tonnes of coal deposits

Tanzania

Kazikazi:
I congratulate the kenyans for a bold decision which they have made by abandoning the arguments in online media. The truth have finally sunk in their hard skulls.
They have now realized that lies and deception wont help help. Fake data and fake statistics wont help a country.
They have now known, Tanzania is ahead. No need to waste time arguing.
Kenyans have embraced the bitter truth finally.
Quietly they have dissapeared.Quietly they are digesting the bitter truth which is right in their faces.
Kenyans are now wiser.They have chosen a right path.
No amount of arguing was going to be enough to put "unga" on the table.
Conratulations again
But this didnt just happen. It took years of planning by us the TZ folks by doing stuff which are now bearing fruits and more fruits are coming. Transforming our agri sector until we are now the bread basket of the region. Forming policies and eradicating tribalism was at the core of everything until now we are tribeless folks.
Industrialization is gaining ground,they are busý importing our stuff.
Big projects which are ongoing are busy stripping them naked. Imagine the electric SGR of TZ! Imagine the hydo dams! The nucleur stuff. The 42 billion dollars LNG.The 20 billion dollars carbon trading. Imagine the brand new Dodoma city! Imagine the bridges and stuff!
How could they be here and witness all that?

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Construction progress of 1870 tower. This is a 30 floor residential twin tower located in Westland.

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Kazikazi:
The question remains...why West africa has so many coups? Is it due to low levels of developments?
Is it due to french influence? But i doubt that because gambia,sierra leone,liberia,ghana,nigeria,etc were not french colonies.So why the coups?
May be there is a curse? Who knows?
Or may be there is some cultural stuff which makes the folks to love to be on top no matter what!?
Is there a nation in west africa which didnt fall into a coup?

In this part of the world where I am, we have tanzania,kenya,malawi,zambia,botswana,namibia,etc,which never experienced a coup.

West Africans don’t like bad governance or foreign domination like all sane socio-groups on Earth while your neck of the woods has long historically been groomed and complacent towards it to the point it’s the natural way of life. We can’t live like that.

AskiaHarem:


West Africans don’t like bad governance or foreign domination like all sane socio-groups on Earth while your neck of the woods has long historically been groomed and complacent towards it to the point it’s the natural way of life. We can’t live like that.

Am still not much convinced.

If they dont like bad governance,why are they governing poorly once they take over from the so said bad leadership? For example, All these coup leaders have not yet transformed these economies.But when you go in Asia you will see some military leaders who did very well eeconomically.

But in africa,a coup after a coup,nothing much have done economically.That tells us the motives for these coups were never about removing bad government.

May be it is a curse? Or witchcraft? Or both? Or madness? Or may be just everybody wants to be on top,some sort of a cultural stuff?

Russia is now europe largest economy , taking over from Germany ( this is expected due to russia population) but it is surprising because it happens during russia crisis.

Ghana cement its second position as west africa giant ( Approximately 78 billion dollars) leaving ivory coast behind with about 7 billion dollars .

Kazikazi:
The question remains...why West africa has so many coups? Is it due to low levels of developments?
Is it due to [b]french influence? [/b]But i doubt that because gambia,sierra leone,liberia,ghana,nigeria,etc were not french colonies.So why the coups?
May be there is a curse? Who knows?
Or may be there is some cultural stuff which makes the folks to love to be on top no matter what!?
Is there a nation in west africa which didnt fall into a coup?

In this part of the world where I am, we have tanzania,kenya,malawi,zambia,botswana,namibia,etc,which never experienced a coup.

perhaps french influence within francophone country. For every three bulb you see with light in france , one of them is been powered from uranium rich niger . And to be noted niger is not power sufficient lust like Nigeria . A distablized niger is not a big deal for france it will rather create an avenue to earn a lot. And again because of this kind of central system of governance practiced in those french country, the power can easily be taken unlike Nigeria where the power is diversified , if you take Abuja, You will need to take the rest of the whole other 36 States. With Ghana, Ghana is already seeing herself as a pioneer of democracy and she is selling it well but building institution that will make it difficult to hold a coup d'etat anywhere. The military are under the command of all armed forces which is mr President .

A team of 13 Ghanaians has set out on an epic journey from Ghana to the UK on a road expedition.

The journey is expected to cover a staggering 10,000 kilometers, their mission is to drive from Accra to London while enjoying the experience.

The adventurous team is estimated to arrive in London on Sunday, August 6, or Monday, August 7, 2023.

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Kisumu

vaxx:
perhaps french influence within francophone country. For every three bulb you see with light in france , one of them is been powered from uranium rich niger . And to be noted niger is not power sufficient lust like Nigeria . A distablized niger is not a big deal for france it will rather create an avenue to earn a lot. And again because of this kind of central system of governance practiced in those french country, the power can easily be taken unlike Nigeria where the power is diversified , if you take Abuja, You will need to take the rest of the whole other 36 States. With Ghana, Ghana is already seeing herself as a pioneer of democracy and she is selling it well but building institution that will make it difficult to hold a coup d'etat anywhere. The military are under the command of all armed forces which is mr President .

All these ghana,nigeria and all west african natikns were at once or more than once been in a coup. Its not about french as many think because ghana,liberia,sirra leone,nigeria,etc are not french colonies.
And it is not about having a centralized government either. Tanzania or China have a centralized govnment and we never had a coup. Actually its more harder to do a coup in a centrallized gov