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Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by omar22(m): 3:29pm On Mar 18, 2010
Wow i guess the ESPN / Setanta was also through sky may the BBC money for highlights as well




Premier League going global
By Chris Bevan and Jonathan Stevenson



English domestic football could be about to undergo yet another revolution.

On Thursday, the 20 Premier League clubs agreed to look into the possibility of playing an extra round of matches every season - abroad.

The idea comes 16 years after the historic creation of the Premier League, and shows just how much the top flight of English football has changed since that key move in 1992.


Here, BBC Sport charts the development of England's national sport to the point where it is now looking to - literally - go global.

THE FORMATION OF THE PREMIER LEAGUE

The Premier League was formed in 1992 when the 22 First Division - as it was then - clubs resigned from the Football League and set up their own division in order to attract greater revenue from television.

The Football Association agreed to the proposal in the belief that it would be tied to a system of excellence that would benefit the national side.


The clubs did it so they could reap the financial rewards and the Premier League soon became a powerful force in the game.

In 1992, broadcasting rights were assigned to subscription television service BSkyB, a move that charged fans for watching top flight football on their screens for the first time in England.

The first agreement between the Premier League and Sky was worth £191m, a figure that has risen dramatically - the last deal for domestic rights is due to run from 2007 to 2010 for £1.7bn between Sky and Setanta.

Promotion alone to the Premier League from the Championship was last season valued to be worth about £60m.

MORE MONEY IN ENGLISH FOOTBALL

The Premier League is already the richest football league in the world, and it is set to get even richer.


In 2001, the Premier League made £1bn from the sale of domestic TV rights and £178m from overseas rights.
For the current contract, which runs until 2010, the domestic rights cost £1.7bn and the foreign rights had leapt to £625m - the biggest overseas deal for sport in the world.

Around £100m of that was spent by NowTV to secure the rights for Hong Kong, Showtime Arabia stumped up around £60m for the Middle East and North African market and WinTV spent £50m to show games in China.

The continued growth and huge appetite of the Premier League's worldwide audience is the reason foreign broadcasters are prepared to spend such huge amounts to show English football.

The potential is vast - an estimated audience of one billion watched Manchester United's match with Arsenal in November 2007.



Chacor
Premier League games are broadcast to over 600m homes in 202 countries worldwide, and they are particularly popular in Asia and the Middle East.

These figures are likely to be reflected when the bidding begins for the next Premier League TV deal in 2010. Even if nothing comes of the proposals to play Premier League games abroad, the cost of overseas rights is expected to match the domestic price in the near future.

CHANGING OWNERSHIP OF CLUBS

The vast earning potential of English clubs has not gone unnoticed by wealthy investors.

When Roman Abramovich bought Chelsea in July 2003, he became the first foreign owner of a Premier League side and, although the Russian has not sought to make a profit at Stamford Bridge, he did start a trend.

Ten top-flight clubs - Manchester United, Liverpool, Manchester City, Aston Villa, West Ham, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Fulham and Derby - are now wholly or partly controlled by rich individuals from outside Britain.

So why the interest? Try guaranteed TV revenue from the domestic market, solid attendances and a large market for branded merchandise for starters.

The combined revenue of all 20 Premier League clubs last season was a healthy £1.4bn, according to accountants Deloitte.

But the potential for further overseas growth remains - and that is where the bigger money will be made.

The Premier League may be the richest football league in the world but it is still behind the NFL and Major League Baseball in the money-making stakes - both made over £3bn in revenue in 2007.

That might not be the case for long, however. The worldwide appeal of English football means bigger rewards are available, and its explosion in popularity in the Middle East and Asia shows what is possible in the lucrative American market in the near future.
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Sauron1: 3:34pm On Mar 18, 2010
This is the KEY!!!!

"In 2001, the Premier League made[b] £1bn from the sale of domestic TV rights[/b] and £178m from overseas rights"

As at 2001, The FA made £1 billion pounds from the sale of domestic TV rights, God knows how much they will be making now.
You are now comparing a meagre £178 milla(almost a tenth) of the funds generated in the UK.
Letz face it, you are a buffoon. The £178 milla is not enough to pay all the match officials in a year, never mind paying football clubs.

The bulk of the money is made here in the UK.
UK. . . . . £1 billion.
Other hundreds of countries. . . .£178 million.
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by omar22(m): 3:39pm On Mar 18, 2010
Double your money
The global rise of the Premier League
Overseas rights
2010-2013 £1.7bn?
2007-2010 £625m
2004-2007 £325m
2001-2004 £178m
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Sauron1: 3:42pm On Mar 18, 2010
omar22:

Double your money   
The global rise of the Premier League   
Overseas rights   
2010-2013  £1.7bn?
2007-2010  £625m
2004-2007  £325m 
2001-2004  £178m

Beckham left the shores of this country in 2003.
The only relevant information there is the 2001-2004 which is £178 million.
Don't twist the facts here. . . . .

Keep your eye on the ball. . . . .Your argument was David Beckham made money for United and i am here to bust that myth that it was the TV money that made the dough for United not David Beckham.
Giving me information of the money made by the the FA when Beckham had already left makes you desperate, i am sure you will agree with this. grin
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by A40(m): 3:54pm On Mar 18, 2010
@Ibime
You got to learn to seperate the pros from the cons, the platinum from the bronze. Buying Ribery & Torres guarantees nada what trophies of note have they helped their respective clubs tf win? You guys just hurriedly sacked Mourinho for nothing and you reaped the full benefits on Tuesday just imagine if Man U sacked Faggotson at the start of the 07/08 season. Do you know how long it took for SAF & AW to build their styles?
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Ibime(m): 4:39pm On Mar 18, 2010
omar22:

He turned down Torres because he wanted David Villa, he turned down Ribery because he had Robben…

Rubbish. . .

He turned down Ribery in 2007 (after Robben had left to Madrid). . . he was given a choice between Ribery and Malouda and he chose Malouda (obviously cos Malouda is more defensively minded)

He turned down Torres because according to him, Torres is not quick enough.


These are just two players. . . fact is that Jose could have had anyone he wanted.
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by omar22(m): 5:09pm On Mar 18, 2010
He turned down Ribery in 2007 (after Robben had left to Madrid). . . he was given a choice between Ribery and Malouda and he chose Malouda (obviously cos Malouda is more defensively minded)


He choose Malouda because at the time Malouda was the better player in better from Lyon, and Drogba was desperate to have him at Chelsea, and after the in fighting between Jose and Roman, it was late until Roman released the funds for Jose to spend,
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Ibime(m): 5:32pm On Mar 18, 2010
omar22:

He choose Malouda because at the time Malouda was the better player in better from Lyon, and Drogba was desperate to have him at Chelsea, and after the in fighting between Jose and Roman, it was late until Roman released the funds for Jose to spend,

Malouda was in no sort of form, as shown in the 2006 WC. . . . By 2006, Ribery was already BY FAR the better player than Malouda, and JM only chose Malouda cos Malouda is a winger with the defensive mentality of a left-back.

JM is always cautious rather than adventurous, and choosing Malouda over Ribery was just one example. . . . and its this kind of mentality that got him the sack.
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by dayokanu(m): 5:50pm On Mar 18, 2010
Leonardo Bonucci - after less than a season, he has already played for Italian National team. 22 years old.

Bayern are already on the tail of this guy.

He choose Malouda because at the time Malouda was the better player in better from Lyon, and Drogba was desperate to have him at Chelsea, and after the in fighting between Jose and Roman, it was late until Roman released the funds for Jose to spend,

Malouda better than Ribery in 2007? Thats imposible

he turned down Ribery because he had Robben…

How come both players are now playing in the same club? Tactical shortsightedness?

Jose is a coach who doesnt think long term about any club he goes, All he wants is the money to buy more players he doesnt care if the club goes bankrupt. Someone who bought Maniche just because Essien would miss the first leg vs Barcelona.

Compare that to a Van Gaal who was appointed this season by Bayern. In the first team now we have Thomas Muller 20yrold, Holger badstuber 21 yrs old. (Both of them have played almost all of Bayerns game this season).

David Alaba 17yrs old, Diego Contento 19yrs old within his first 9 months 4 youth team products already promoted. Thats a coach that someone building a team.

LvGaal can as well come in and demand Hoeness, Rummenigge and Nerlinger to get him Kaka, CR7 Ribery and Rooney else he wont take the job.

Jose loves the easier route. Buy all the players Europe had to offer in 2004-2006 yet couldnt play a CL final
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by chic2pimp(m): 6:05pm On Mar 18, 2010
Ibime:


Robert Acquafresca - solid Italian U-21 striker with a good reputation as a hot propspect.
Leonardo Bonucci - after less than a season, he has already played for Italian National team. 22 years old.
Francesco Bolzoni - Italian U-21 International

Acquafresca is shyte anyways.
I'm yet to see him have a good game for Genoa.


Also Inter did not pay £25m for millito.
They paid 25m Euros for both Motta and Millito.


@ OMAR
Did you just say France played an entertaining style of footy IN 1998? shocked undecided
They were as defensive as the Italian team of 2006.
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Ibime(m): 6:23pm On Mar 18, 2010
chic2pimp:

Acquafresca is shyte anyways.
I'm yet to see him have a good game for Genoa.

Acquafresca is not shyte. . . he is Italy's no1 U-21 striker. . . the reason you havent seen him play for Genoa is cos he has only played 4 games for Genoa (and scored 2 goals). . . he is on loan at Atalanta.


chic2pimp:

Also Inter did not pay £25m for millito.
They paid 25m Euros for both Motta and Millito,

Inter paid 25m for Millito and Motta + Acquafresca, Bonucci, Bolzoni, Fatic and Megorioni.

They have sacrificed 3 U-21 Internationals for players coming to the end of their careers.

Once again, typical Mourinho style, short term gain, long term pain.


dayokanu:

Bayern are already on the tail of Bonucci.

Ditto!
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Akolawole(m): 6:41pm On Mar 18, 2010
chic2pimp:

Also Inter did not pay £25m for millito.
They paid 25m Euros for both Motta and Millito.

Abi o

Let me show you another lie grin;

dayokanu:


Someone who bought Maniche just because Essien would miss the first leg vs Barcelona.


Madness of highest order.

Maniche was NOT bought but came on a loan in January 2006.
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by chic2pimp(m): 6:48pm On Mar 18, 2010
Ibime:

Acquafresca is not shyte. . . he is Italy's no1 U-21 striker. . . the reason you havent seen him play for Genoa is cos he has only played 4 games for Genoa (and scored 2 goals). . . he is on loan at Atalanta
Nah he is overrated. The only reason he was any good in the Under 21's was cuz he was playing against low quality defenders.
He has since been found out.
BTW, he is back with Genoa. His Loan spell was cut short. I guess Atlanta realised he ain't good enough.

Ibime:

Inter paid 25m for Millito and Motta + Acquafresca, Bonucci, Bolzoni, Fatic and Megorioni.

They have sacrificed 3 U-21 Internationals for players coming to the end of their careers.

The only player of any quality on that list is Bonucci, the rest of em' are let's just say very Average.

Akolawole:

Abi o

Let me show you another lie grin;

Madness of highest order.

Maniche was NOT bought but came on a loan in January 2006.
Shey you dey mind Dayo? undecided
The Dude will come up with any Old wife's tale just to discredit Mourinho grin
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Ibime(m): 6:59pm On Mar 18, 2010
chic2pimp:

Nah he is overrated. The only reason he was any good in the Under 21's was cuz he was playing against low quality defenders.
He has since been found out.
BTW, he is back with Genoa. His Loan spell was cut short. I guess Atlanta realised he ain't good enough.

Rubbish. . . his loan spell wasnt cut short. . . he was involved in the Amoruso transfer that took him back to Genoa. . .

Since back in Genoa, hes copped 2 goals in 4 appearances.

We are talking about a player who Roma wanted, and you are talking about overrated. . . did he not the recieve the silver shoe at the Euro U-21's?

No youngster is the finished article. . . were Glen Johnson and Lass Diarra the finished article at Chelsea?

Bonucci is now a full International, and part of the second strongest defence in Serie A. Meanwhile Mourinho is looking for replacements for Materrazi and Ivan Cordoba. Im sure next season he will ask Moratti for £20m to go and buy a 27 year old defender.

Mourinho is sacrificing Inters future for Inters present.
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Sauron1: 7:07pm On Mar 18, 2010
chic2pimp:

@ OMAR
Did you just say France played an entertaining style of footy IN 1998? shocked undecided
They were as defensive as the Italian team of 2006.

Omar chats loads of rubbish.
Nigeria played more entertaining football than France in 1998.
France were over-defensive.
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by chic2pimp(m): 7:43pm On Mar 18, 2010
Ibime:

Rubbish. . . his loan spell wasnt cut short. . . he was involved in the Amoruso transfer that took him back to Genoa. . .

Since back in Genoa, hes copped 2 goals in 4 appearances.

We are talking about a player who Roma wanted, and you are talking about overrated. . . did he not the recieve the silver shoe at the Euro U-21's?

No youngster is the finished article. . . were Glen Johnson and Lass Diarra the finished article at Chelsea?

Bonucci is now a full International, and part of the second strongest defence in Serie A. Meanwhile Mourinho is looking for replacements for Materrazi and Ivan Cordoba. Im sure next season he will ask Moratti for £20m to go and buy a 27 year old defender.

Mourinho is sacrificing Inters future for Inters present.
Regarding his abilities, I'm yet to be convinced. He has done Zap all and until he does something of note, I'll keeping saying he's overrated.

3 goals in 16 appearances in serie A this season is a rubbish return for a striker  who was once  rated as the next big thing in Italian football.
The dude lacks technique and he is less than clinical in front of goal.

You say he won the silver shoe at the under age tournament but we all can count the amount of duds who have done well in those tournaments.

As I said, Bonnuci is the only quality player Inter sold on. He'll be in the Azzzuri starting line up for years to come.

~Sauron~:

Omar chats loads of rubbish.
Nigeria played more entertaining football than France in 1998.
France were over-defensive.


EXACTLY!!!

The core players in that French team were mostly defensive minded i.e Thuram,Desaily,Blanc,Lizarazu and Deschamps.
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by omar22(m): 7:44pm On Mar 18, 2010
Someone who bought Maniche just because Essien would miss the first leg vs Barcelona.


Reo Coker broke or rapture Essien's ankle in December thats why Essien didnt go to the nations cup and Both Maniche and Costinha had problems in russia I think when they were both with Lokomotiv Moscow and they were both Jose's player at Porto.


Did you just say France played an entertaining style of footy IN 1998?  
They were as defensive as the Italian team of 2006.


Are you serious, I guess you didnt watch the world cup, France battered teams, the 2nd Rd Paraguay parked the bus waiting for penalties the same with Italy in the Qtrs,  because France lost Zidane against Saudi they found it hard to react playing without Zidane,   Croatia gave them a game and France nearly lost,  but Battered Brazil in the final,
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by omar22(m): 7:50pm On Mar 18, 2010
The core players in that French team were mostly defensive minded i.e Thuram,Desaily,Blanc,Lizarazu and Deschamps.


Calling Lizarazu and Thuram defensive minded is looney, Lizarazu was a flying fullback for Munich the same with Thuram for Parma, Deschamp was a holding player with a Zidane and front 3 of Henry, Trezeguet and Djorkaef

Didnt 3 of the French back 4 score for Franch during the same world cup
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Sauron1: 7:55pm On Mar 18, 2010
@ Chic2chimp,

Hahahahahaha
Fulham are strangling your Juventus. . . . .
All of a sudden, Bobby Zamora is looking world class against Juve defenders.
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by dayokanu(m): 8:13pm On Mar 18, 2010
Calling Lizarazu and Thuram defensive minded is looney, Lizarazu was a flying fullback for Munich the same with Thuram for Parma, Deschamp was a holding player with a Zidane and front 3 of Henry, Trezeguet and Djorkaef

You really saw Trezeguet in France 1998? Did you watch him on complete Sports?

Aside the last group match and a sub appearance vs Paraguay, I cant remember him that much.

Maybe Duggary and Guivarch

e core players in that French team were mostly defensive minded i.e Thuram,Desaily,Blanc,Lizarazu and Deschamps.

Dont forget Petit, Karembeu and Diomede who made cameos
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by dayokanu(m): 8:25pm On Mar 18, 2010
One hell of a game is going on at Weserstadion

Bremen just came back from 3-1 down to equalise 3-3. as it stands Valencia would go through on away goals with 20 minutes more.

As I was typing Valencia scored again 3-4.

Why cant Bremen just defend to save their lives?

Mertersacker and Naldo are probably the most comical defensive duo in European football
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by chic2pimp(m): 8:28pm On Mar 18, 2010
omar22:


Calling Lizarazu and Thuram defensive minded is looney, Lizarazu was a flying fullback for Munich the same with Thuram for Parma, Deschamp was a holding player with a Zidane and front 3 of Henry, Trezeguet and Djorkaef

Didnt 3 of the French back 4 score for Franch during the same world cup
Thuram was never a flying full back.
Infact he is a Central Defender masquerading as a right back.
He along with Canna and Gigi were the defensive cog in that Parma team.

Three of em' scoring means nada. They were a defensive team.

dayokanu:

You really saw Trezeguet in France 1998? Did you watch him on complete Sports?

Aside the last group match and a sub appearance vs Paraguay, I cant remember him that much.

Maybe Duggary and Guivarch

Dont forget Petit, Karembeu and Diomede who made cameos
Thank you jare. I forgot to add Karembu and Petit.

~Sauron~:

@ Chic2chimp,

Hahahahahaha
Fulham are strangling your Juventus. . . . .
All of a sudden, Bobby Zamora is looking world class against Juve defenders.

Juve are playing with 10 men.
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Sauron1: 8:30pm On Mar 18, 2010
chic2pimp:

Juve are playing with 10 men.

Who sent Cannavaro message to be rugby-tackling Gera as the last defender?
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by chic2pimp(m): 8:34pm On Mar 18, 2010
dayokanu:

One hell of a game is going on at Weserstadion

Bremen just came back from 3-1 down to equalise 3-3. as it stands Valencia would go through on away goals with 20 minutes more.

As I was typing Valencia scored again 3-4.

Why cant Bremen just defend to save their lives?

Mertersacker and Naldo are probably the most comical defensive duo in European football
David Villa is tearing Bremen apart. Hatrick!!!!
And some peeps will tell him that Torres is the better striker undecided
Abegii, I'll take Villa over Torres everyday of the week.

~Sauron~:

Who sent Cannavaro message to be rugby-tackling Gera as the last defender?
You could have said Fulham are beating depleted Juve wink
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by dayokanu(m): 8:44pm On Mar 18, 2010
Torrr Bremen!!

4-4 What a comedy. Bremen cant just defend to save their lives,

Is their any more twist to this game?

As it stands, Valencia qualifies But if Bremen scores one more they go through.
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by dayokanu(m): 8:45pm On Mar 18, 2010
BTW Fulham is roasting Juve.

4-1
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by omar22(m): 8:49pm On Mar 18, 2010
Infact he is a Central Defender masquerading as a right back


EXCUSE ME, it was Capello that moved him into the centre, Thuram was a flyer for Parma on the wing from the Fullback,


Dugarry played the first game and got injured, then Trezeguet played every game till except the final because Guivach was ready

Three of em' scoring means nada. They were a defensive team.

just say you didnt watch it,
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Sauron1: 8:53pm On Mar 18, 2010
dayokanu:

BTW Fulham is roasting Juve.

4-1

The same Fulham you dissed so much last week?
I am willing to bet Fulham will beat Bayern Munich over 2 legs. tongue tongue tongue tongue

chic2pimp:

David Villa is tearing Bremen apart. Hatrick!!!!
And some peeps will tell him that Torres is the better striker undecided
Abegii, I'll take Villa over Torres everyday of the week.

David Villa is the best striker in the whole of Europe.
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by chic2pimp(m): 9:07pm On Mar 18, 2010
omar22:

EXCUSE ME, it was Capello that moved him into the centre, Thuram was a flyer for Parma on the wing from the Fullback,
Which Capello?
Thuram was not a flyer, he was Rock Solid Center Back who played Fullback when called upon.
During Parma's best ever serie a season, they had Gigi in goal plus Canna and Thuram in Central Defence.

omar22:

just say you didnt watch it,
Didn't watch wetin?
France were so defensive they had to rely on a lucky Blanc goal just to defeat Paraguay.
I'll say it was you who didn't watch it cuz everyone on NL knows France were Ultra Defensive.
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by chic2pimp(m): 9:10pm On Mar 18, 2010
~Sauron~:

David Villa is the best striker in the whole of Europe.
Co-Sign!!!!
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by A40(m): 9:21pm On Mar 18, 2010
@Omar22
You are right on France maybe they where not as fluid as the Dutch or the Brazilians but where excellent for most parts! They did have a striker crisis as well so they had to rely on an excellent midfield and defence

@Chic2pimp
How can you even suggest Lizarazu was defensive? Are you high on your own supply? I followed Bayern and German footie before Arsenal and Lizarazu is one of the most offensive full backs in European footie

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