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Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by dayokanu(m): 5:31pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
I don't get this hate. Where is the hate? I dont see one I only see overhype Del Bosque won 2 CL, Hitzfeld won 2 CL in 2 different clubs, SAF won 2 CL, Carlo won 2 CL Yet somone says Mourinho is top 2. How is he better than Rijakaard, Pep(Who won treble). He is better than Wenger no Doubt but top 5 is pushing it too far |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Nobody: 5:44pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
his is because Jose Mourinho is a glory hunter who only seeks to work in clubs that are ready to splash top dollar on quality players. You forget Porto was an average team when they won the CL. Let SAF go and manage Stoke let's see where they'll end up. Every manager with pedigree will look out for standard teams, it's only logical. Why isn't Pep a glory-hunter? Winning six trophies with a ready made team. Yet you call JM a glory-hunter. Where is the hate? Who is to say JM won't win it 2wice or 3ice in his career? The man is still young, he still has things to prove. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Wahala90: 5:56pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
GoatCrants claim that Mourinho succeeded because Chelsea had the best players. Now Mourinho used a different team (Inter) to "disgrace" the Chelsea team, beating them home and away. GoatCrants are now bloating that the Chelsea team is not a strong one and there is nothing special about beating them. GoatCrants, you know what? Give Mourinho this Chelsea team and he will beat this Inter side mercilessly. Jose is a special coach, whether in Porto or Calabar Rovers. The guy has proved it. Or what do you think, GoatCrants? Anyway, being GoatCrants that you are, I expect you to be stubborn, obstinate and obstreperous. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Sauron1: 6:02pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
BlueDiva: They were not. . . . . .Porto are the biggest team in Portugal. Porto had won Champions League and countless league titles before Jose's arrival. . . .They have won countless league titles after Jose's exit. With or without Jose Mourinho, Porto are a great side.
United were swimming in relegation waters before SAF's arrival. The club had gone a massive 34 years without a league title until SAF won it for Man Utd. Go and read a book.
Pep isn't a glory-hunter. He is managing a team he once played for. . . . .He has not jumped from Lyon to Liverpool to Real Madrid. Jose went from Porto to Chelsea to Inter Milan. . . . . .Which of these teams are small minnows?
When he wins it twice or thrice more in his career, come back to us then and we shall applaud his brilliance but for now. . . . . .He is overrated. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Nobody: 7:06pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
They were not. . . . . .Porto are the biggest team in Portugal. Good side my foot. When last did they reach the semis in the UCL? Which other decent competitors do they have in their league. Portuguese league is not amongst the top 5, sorry!!! According to you guys, without the UCL a team ain't great. JM made Porto great. i don't see Porto winning the UCL in the next 20years. Pep isn't a glory-hunter. What does that mean? Amodu will win six trophies with the Barca team. Pep is a glory-hunter too, using your theory. Someday, JM will manage the United team. then i trust you to start hyping him. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by chic2pimp(m): 7:29pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
dayokanu:Give it a rest will ya. It ain't the same side. The Milan team of 2003-2007 is the best we've had since the 1994 team. BlueDiva:Porto weren't an average side ooo. Not With The likes of Carvalho,J.Costa, and Ferreira in defence plus Maniche,costinha and Deco in Midfield |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Nobody: 7:36pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
Porto weren't an average side ooo. So? Big names don't matter. They would have achieved nothing in Europe without JM. Madrid has stars yet they can't deliver. Throw in a world class manager (like JM) and watch them conquer Europe. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by chic2pimp(m): 7:44pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
BlueDiva:I agree. However to call that Porto side average is really pushing it. I won't Mourinho a flukey manager neither will I Label him a Genius just yet. Give it 5 years and we'll see, |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Sauron1: 7:46pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
BlueDiva: When last did Bayern Munich reach the semis in the UCL? Does that mean they are not a great side?
It is not their league that won it. . . . .Porto won it and they were a decent side in 2004.
It's the other way round. . . . .Porto made Jose Mourinho great!!! He has not played in a European final since he left Porto. . . .
The season before Guardiola arrived, Barcelona did not win any title in Spain. Guardiola arrived and tweaked the squad a bit and they won six trophies in 12 months.
We don't want bad publicity. Guardiola will manage Man Utd before Jose Mourinho. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Nobody: 8:07pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
I agree. Thanks. You're reasonable, to call him a fluke is ludicrous. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by A40(m): 8:08pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
Mourinho is defo World class anyone that argues otherwise think they know but really they have no idea cos the stats and records are there to prove it. He won the UCL with absolute nobodies in 04! Who was Deco, Maniche, Costinha, Aleynichev, Derlei, Carlos Alberto, Carvalho et al the only notable players they had then where an ageing Jorge Costa and Vitor Baia. Porto where shyte before he got there and unto shyte they have returned. He won the UEFA Cup and UCL back to back! Is it beans? Abeg make una pay the man his respects the guy walks his talk and he proved it yesterday |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by dayokanu(m): 8:17pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
He won the UEFA Cup and UCL back to back! Is it beans? Abeg make una pay the man his respects the guy walks his talk and he proved it yesterday Benitez did this even wth different clubs which is even more difficult Mourinho is defo World class anyone that argues otherwise think they know but really they have no idea cos the stats and records are there to prove it. He won the UCL with absolute nobodies in 04! Who was Deco, Maniche, Costinha, Aleynichev, Derlei, Carlos Alberto, Carvalho et al the only notable players they had then where an ageing Jorge Costa and Vitor Baia. WHy hasnt he been able to repeat the feat even with more resources and better players than he had at Porto |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by chic2pimp(m): 8:19pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
BlueDiva:Don't mind Dayo,Sauron , Eastbay and co. The dude won two european trophies back to back and he is labelled a Fluke, How so? A-40:True Talk!!!! He walks the walk and talks and talk. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Nobody: 8:25pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
Benitez did this even wth different clubs which is even more difficult Benitez who hasn't managed the EPl in six yrs? The same man battling for 5th place? JM never goes to any club without winning the league. At worst, he'll come 2nd. JM haters have no case abeg. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Sauron1: 8:29pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
BlueDiva: This is because he aims for football clubs that work with finished products. I want to see Jose Mourinho pick a team from scratch and develop them into world beaters like Rijkaard, SAF, Hitzfeld and Wenger have all done. FFS, i realised Jose Mourinho is a fluke after Avram fuckin Grant took Chelsea to UCL final. Grant had no coaching badge when he was Terry's penalty kick away from winning the biggest competition in Europe. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by doyin13(m): 8:29pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
He is not crap but he is not as good as he thinks he is. . . . He peddles the impression most of what happens on the field is up to his genius . . . I wonder what was genius about the disallowed Scholes goal and useless mitts Tim Howard has for hands that are largely responsible for his meteoric rise. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by dayokanu(m): 8:30pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
Benitez who hasn't managed the EPl in six yrs? Mourinho who hasnt managed a European trophy outside Porto in 7 seasons JM never goes to any club without winning the league. Benitez never goes to a club without winning a European title Benitez CL 1 winner 1 runner up. UEFA cup 1 winners title and he has the La Liga title too managing a club outside the big 2. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by dayokanu(m): 8:32pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
He is not crap but he is not as good as he thinks he is. . . . Actually I supported FC porto on that day and jubilated crazily when Costinha scored. Right now 7 seasons after seeing how Jose is going about the Chelsea god image I wished Manure had won on that March 2004 night. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by doyin13(m): 8:35pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
I can never wish Man Utd win anything so no regrets about jubilating that day. . . I don't know why he is still strutting around though. His Inter team still doesn't convince me, although they are better than last year's. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Sauron1: 8:35pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
dayokanu: We did enough to win but a visually-impaired line assistant made sure United did not progress. Scholesy's perfect goal was disallowed to have made it 2-0 at OT in the first half. Porto equalised in the last minute and United couldn't do anything to salvage the match. Not to talk of the number of times Porto players were diving to stop United's flow throughout the game. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Nobody: 8:38pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
This is because he aims for football clubs that work with finished products. Can Stoke afford his wages? Don't blame the player, blame da game !!! The rich clubs will kill to have him. Ain't his fault. Mourinho who hasnt managed a European trophy outside Porto in 7 seasons It took SAF 9yrs to win in Europe again. Let's don't even go into the luck thing. Give JM time. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by chic2pimp(m): 8:41pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
dayokanu:Who can forget this now legendary celebration [flash=425,344] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8gGUwCDMrI&hl=en_GB&fs=1&"[/flash] doyin13:It's all 'IF'S and 'BUT'S' |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by dayokanu(m): 8:42pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
Mourinho who hasnt managed a European trophy outside Porto in 7 seasons Benitez never goes to a club without winning a European title Benitez CL 1 winner 1 runner up. UEFA cup 1 winners title and he has the La Liga title too managing a club outside the big 2. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Sauron1: 8:42pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
BlueDiva: Why not? Notts County will pay Mourinho's wages.
Just like the rich clubs will kill to have Carlos Queiroz but he's an assistant in Man Utd.
So how's he special if we have to give him time to play in a European final again? Special managers should be playing in the final every season. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by dayokanu(m): 8:47pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
It took SAF 9yrs to win in Europe again. If you give a dullard enough time, he would figure out calculus even if its by using bottle corks. Geniuses, Special ones should actually not take ages to play another CL final |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Nobody: 8:55pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
If you give a dullard enough time, he would figure out calculus even if its by using bottle corks. Do we call SAF a dullard? It took him 9yrs to win again. His winning was in the hands of the gods, not his own efforts. Off to tend my flock. JM rocks !!! |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by A40(m): 8:55pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
@Dayokanu Who cares? Its on record that he won both titles back to back Secondly na so easy? Even Faggotson has only managed 2 UCL titles in 19years. Mind you it took him 9 years to pick each title so whats the fuss about Mourinho? Benitez has also not won a league since leaving Valencia while Mourinho has won the league in 2 other countries @doyin13 That Man U team was cadaver and the Scholes excuse is rubbish even if it counted Costinha's goal woulda dragged the game to extras so its no biggie |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Sauron1: 8:58pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
BlueDiva: SAF has done it TWICE in elite Europe. . . . Jose should repeat it as well. |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by dayokanu(m): 8:59pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
Secondly na so easy? Even Faggotson has only managed 2 UCL titles in 19years. Mind you it took him 9 years to pick each title so whats the fuss about Mourinho? Benitez has also not won a league since leaving Valencia while Mourinho has won the league in 2 other countries Benitez won league title with Valencia which was a bugger achievement than winning leagues with Porto, Chelsea or Inter Milan. Benitez won CL with Liverpool who hardly play CL football this is a greater achievement than winning the CL with Porto who are a regular fixture in the CL. Mourinho has not played a European final since leaving Porto, Benitez has played twice since leaving Valencia. Which carries more weight, European stage or local league? |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by A40(m): 9:43pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
@Dayokanu Valencia where quality then jare! The only other legit teams in Spain where Depor and Madrid so don't make it sound like Valencia where shyte. They made the UCL Finals twice at the turn of the millenium contrast that to a Porto who where European nobodies just there to make the numbers due to their local champion status. Or else you want to tell us Korea are world powers since they have not missed the mundial since 94 Benitez has not managed a league title in 6 seasons since Valencia he only even competed once. The local league may carry less weight but its harder to win than the UCL, Benitez won the UCL and finished almost 50pts behind the winners and even finished 5th thats not good enuff and thats why i would always rate Ancelotti and Rafa below Mourinho the only mordern coach i would prolly take over Mourinho is Rijkaard A student that goes to Berkeley, Yale and Georgetown and takes first position in each school has to be a genius |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Nobody: 9:49pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
A student that goes to Berkeley, Yale and Georgetown and takes first position in each school has to be a genius +1 |
Re: Mourinho: Genius Or Fluke by Wahala90: 9:49pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
GoatCrants want Mourinho to use minnows to win the UCL. When asked to name a coach or minnow that has won the UCL before? They mentioned R.Madrid and AC Milan. Na wa o. GoatCrant no dey change. |
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