What do you all expect the offspring of a shop-lifter and drug banger to be?

As we left Bruce offered more visits to Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal and Tottenham, naming two high-profile figures who could help lay them on.

Shocking!

I am still on my factual stance that not until you beat M-U in the return leg this season
u are not rated a better team to them.

I dnt care about the win for the community shield,  win um twice in the same competition, be it EPL or CL
then you can boast of supremacy as you wish.

You don't have to beat your opponents at home and away to be considered better than them.
Will you say Liverpool was better than United last season because they trashed them at OT?

Chelsea beat Juve at SB last season and drew at Turin.
Since we qualified, it means we were better. We didn't need to win at Turin.

You take into cognisance the overall performance of both teams for the season.
So far this season, we're better than United.

Is this the Joe Cole someone said was better than Schweinsteiger?

Jalether and co, If you dont come here to apologise, All the 77 gods of Umuleri and Aguleri would attack your abode tonight

BlueDiva:

 
You don't have to beat your opponents at home and away to be considered better than them.
Will you say Liverpool was better than United last season because they trashed them at OT?

Chelsea beat Juve at SB last season and drew at Turin.
Since we qualified, it means we were better. We didn't need to win at Turin.

You take into cognisance the overall performance of both teams for the season.
So far this season, we're better than United.

We shall see. As far as I can prophetically see things. Chavs aint getting no trophy this season.

Please dnt include that Amour shield called Community Shield.

An utterly predictable performance. My prediction of 2-1 to Chelsea was more out of hope than expectation. I never once expected Chelsea to beat West Ham.

West Ham are a team who pack the midfield. Any team that packs the midfield will trouble Chelsea. Man Utd showed everyone the way to play against Carlotti. The diamond formation is so frail, and so easy to checkmate, its unbelievable. Just pack the midfield and have a lot of runners from midfield ready for the counter-attack.

Scolari found the same thing last year when teams sussed him out 3 months into the season.

Carlotti MUST change the formation, especially over this Christmas period with Essien injured.


Which brings me to Mikel. If we are gonna keep this diamond formation, he MUST be sold. With this formation, you need a fast DM to stop counterattacks. Mikel just escorts players breaking from midfield. There was one point @ 82 minutes when Scott Parker broke from midfield in a really threatening fashion. Mikel was just escorting him back. He was lucky Parker overran the ball otherwise West Ham were 3 against 2.

Also, Ballacks legs are gone. We need another right-sided midfielder. Jack Collison who played on the right-side for West Ham today would be a good acquisition for the right-side of our diamond.


Again, Carlotti must shape up, stop playing the same formation all the time, and change his formation according to the opposition. FFS, SAF changes formation all the time according to the opposition. Carlotti must pull his finger out of his arse!!!

We are beginning to look ordinary by allowing teams/opponents impose their mode of play on us. When did this start?
Against Blackburn? I'm sorry but we cannot win nada like this unless we do something about it!

We need a midfielder on the right side of our diamond (we are stuck with that formation. Nothing will change Uncle Carlo's mind)

We could have easily lost this match. We played zero in the first half. Wigan comes to my mind. 

The bright side is that, all teams WILL drop points and we should thank our stars that we are dropping the fewest.

@Ibime, that was just one episode. I think Mikel did fine. Yeah sometimes it seems as if he is just jogging back but he did the job required of him. Snuffed out all the attacks today. Compare that to when Ballack was playing DM?
True Mikel has to improve on his speed and passing.
The problem we had today was mostly on the right side of our midfield. Ballack was zero and it got so bad that Ivanovic couldn't make forward runs. The right side was so exposed.

Kalou can be moved to the reserves. Let DS, Borini, Kakuta come on stage. At least we know that we are developing our players.

Joe Cole? Me thinks he just needs to play more and he will be fine. You could see that he was pissed with himself.

I am afraid we may not win the PL this season. It is not enough to beat the 4 top teams. If we keep losing to these weaker teams or losing 2 points to them, we are not qualified to get this one.

It is a crying shame. . . honestly!

I am telling you Joe Cole is 28 and has been injured for the best part of 2 years. This is the best he can be. . nothing better. Joe in his prime could not touch Deco in his prime. . what is the chance he will get better. .? Joe is only marginally better than Deco now and it's just his pace. We need to move on. ManU dominated the world with Ronaldo, which player do we have that's half Ronaldo? None! We have to move beyond this abeg! We are a big team in many competitions, we shouldn't condone mediocrity.

Sturridge cameo today and Borini's on Wednesday confirms that only a mad man will play Kalou as our third striker. Like I said on Wednesday, if Borini is given the time Kalou has had, he'd miles ahead. Positional play, Zilch. . Decision making Zilch! . . Ship out!

Ballack . . We can't be serious offering him a new contract. In that same 82nd minute incident Ibime mentioned that Parker broke out, Ballack was closest to him when the attack started. He left Ballack like a Motorbike accelerates past a bicycle. He just kept jogging. If a player plays in the midfield and can't beat a player. . . then there's no midfield. Sharpness, decision-making, passing and shots-on-goal have just disappeared. Who can replace him at the moment. . ? no one!

In the summer, I talked about Xabi. . . Ibime laughed at me. . Mikel plays like a typical Nigerian. . No urgency. . "take am easy we go score" kinda attitude. That's no the demeanour of a modern day player. .  He can't even shoot on goal even if his life depended on it. It's why I always prefer Essien in DM . . . Is it conicidental that we started becoming lethargic midfield ever since Essien stopped playing in DM. . . ?


If anyone thinks we should not buy in January . . I will be laughing my head away. We need a overhaul of the midfield. One player to play top of the diamond, one to play the right . . fast moving, quick-thinking midfielders with massive technical abilities, can dribble, shoot from distance and have an added skill like a dead ball speciality. . I am fkucing tired of seeing Lampard kick every free-kick into the wall and every corner into the hands of the goalie.

And then we need one more midfielder to act as a sub, with Matic and Kakuta as understudies.


Can we have players in the mould of Hazard, Giovinco, Dzagoev. . . These players are abound and are available at the right price. WE are Chelsea and should have the best midfielders in the world, individually and as a team. Carllotti is flipping Italian and knows damn well what a trequartista is. . that's what we need.



Move Essien to DM, sit Lamps down when we can. Play Zhirkov on the left of the diamond. We saw what he can do today.

And we would be bloody fine . . even with the diamond. However if we fail to buy in January. . . kiss the CL and PL goodbye. .

Commotion at Obalende/Stamford BRIDGE

Haha you guys are still stumbling and your Olugbaala (Didier Drogba) has not gone to Angola yet! una never ready to win this league. Its starting to look like the only difference between Ancelotti and Scolari was a fit and firing DD

nateevs:

I am telling you Joe Cole is 28 and has been injured for the best part of 2 years. This is the best he can be. . nothing better. Joe in his prime could not touch Deco in his prime. . what is the chance he will get better. .? Joe is only marginally better than Deco now and it's just his pace. We need to move on. ManU dominated the world with Ronaldo, which player do we have that's half Ronaldo? None! We have to move beyond this abeg! We are a big team in many competitions, we shouldn't condone mediocrity.

Sturridge cameo today and Borini's on Wednesday confirms that only a mad man will play Kalou as our third striker. Like I said on Wednesday, if Borini is given the time Kalou has had, he'd miles ahead. Positional play, Zilch. . Decision making Zilch! . . Ship out!

Ballack . . We can't be serious offering him a new contract. In that same 82nd minute incident Ibime mentioned that Parker broke out, Ballack was closest to him when the attack started. He left Ballack like a Motorbike accelerates past a bicycle. He just kept jogging. If a player plays in the midfield and can't beat a player. . . then there's no midfield. Sharpness, decision-making, passing and shots-on-goal have just disappeared. Who can replace him at the moment. . ? no one!

In the summer, I talked about Xabi. . . Ibime laughed at me. . Mikel plays like a typical Nigerian. . No urgency. . "take am easy we go score" kinda attitude. That's no the demeanour of a modern day player. .  He can't even shoot on goal even if his life depended on it. It's why I always prefer Essien in DM . . . Is it conicidental that we started becoming lethargic midfield ever since Essien stopped playing in DM. . . ?


If anyone thinks we should not buy in January . . I will be laughing my head away. We need a overhaul of the midfield. One player to play top of the diamond, one to play the right . . fast moving, quick-thinking midfielders with massive technical abilities, can dribble, shoot from distance and have an added skill like a dead ball speciality. . I am fkucing tired of seeing Lampard kick every free-kick into the wall and every corner into the hands of the goalie.

And then we need one more midfielder to act as a sub, with Matic and Kakuta as understudies.


Can we have players in the mould of Hazard, Giovinco, Dzagoev. . . These players are abound and are available at the right price. WE are Chelsea and should have the best midfielders in the world, individually and as a team. Carllotti is flipping Italian and knows damn well what a trequartista is. . that's what we need.



Move Essien to DM, sit Lamps down when we can. Play Zhirkov on the left of the diamond. We saw what he can do today.

And we would be bloody fine . . even with the diamond. However if we fail to buy in January. . . kiss the CL and PL goodbye. .

Nateevs I agree with most of your post (esp Kalou and Joe), just 3 weeks ago, we were arguably the best team in the EPL, our form and performance was through the roof, the million dollar question then is what happened?

remember it is this same Ballack that was winning tackles and dominating play in the mid field just 3 wks ago, I sense some knee jerk reactions from some
people on here.

all of a sudden, we are in big trouble and must buy players as soon as possible.

I certainly agree with Ibime, our problem is CA inability to take a practical and flexible approach to each game. your tactics and formation should never be the

same all year round, what worked against Liverpool may not be effective against West Ham.

dayokanu:

Is this the Joe Cole someone said was better than Schweinsteiger?

Jalether and co, If you dont come here to apologise, All the 77 gods of Umuleri and Aguleri would attack your abode tonight

I was comparing the pre-injury Joe cole with Basten, Only a retard will question Joey's quality as a winger and play maker when he

was at the peak of his game. at the moment, Basten is better than Joe Cole but to question his quality and label him as mediocre is just ridiculous.

give credit to whom it's due

@Jalether.

I am the last to have knee jerk reactions on here. I do not absolve Carllotti of any blame on the tactical side of things. His insistence on the diamond in every game, I cannot understand. However, we have a fundamental personnel problem that if not tackled now will lead to destruction . . age and pace of the team.

Be it a 4-3-3, 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 we have a pathetic personnel in midfield. And playing a 4-3-3 will not help Kalou put the ball in the net and not over the bar from 5 yards. You have to go back about 6 matches to find a Ballack shot on goal . . a 4-5-1 cannot change that. . neither can it help him running after a player and helping the RB also. .

A 4-3-3 cannot help Lampard stop kicking the freekick into the wall . . always! Neither can it stop him putting a corner kick straight into the palms of the oppo goalie. The last time we scored from a corner kick was against Wolves and Malouda took that corner. Before then we scored from a Lampard free kick against ManU 40 yards from their goal. Anyone could do that. When was the last time we scored from a free kick that Drogba did not take?

We've not scored from a through-pass to the attackers in a long time. .Why? Because we don't have good passers of the ball in midfield. If we don't have a big striker like Drogba that can force his way and create things for himself, our midfield can't just create.

Bosingwa is prehaps the best crosser of the ball in wide areas. . . perhaps Zhirkov.



These are fundamental problems that are fast showing their faces. And it don't matter what formation you are playing they will come back to hunt you. . and the only way to solve those problems is to go out now and buy while we can. . If we don't, we won't be able to buy for 2 years. Simple.


Players always show best form when there's a new manager, or when the season begins. The true character and quality of a team starts to show mid-season. . and that's exactly where we are now. So all the flashy performances in the beginning will fade away . .

Bros believe or not. . . We have to buy.

Sheesi how market??

I was comparing the pre-injury Joe cole with Basten, Only a retard will question Joey's quality as a winger and play maker when he

was at the peak of his game. at the moment, Basten is better than Joe Cole but to question his quality and label him as mediocre is just ridiculous.

give credit to whom it's due

Bastian pre injury shined at the World cup, what is Joe Coles highest individual performance.

Bastians worst >>>>>>> Joe Cole's Best

Bastian


When this thread turn jokes section?

Shekpe is in big trouble this season. . . .once DD and co take off, the train will truly come off the rails.

When you need penalties to get points against the two worst teams in the league (while playing at FULL strength minus Bosingwa & Essien) then you know you're in deep shit.

And no. . . .there's no comparison of Utd losing to a very efficient Fulham side (who beat them last season as well) while playing without CBs to this utterly shambolic performance by you lot.

@ nateevs

At the rate things are going, the EPL winner will lose more than 5 games. . .the point dropping by top sides is simply astonishing.

nateevs:

@Jalether.

I am the last to have knee jerk reactions on here. I do not absolve Carllotti of any blame on the tactical side of things. His insistence on the diamond in every game, I cannot understand. However, we have a fundamental personnel that if not tackled now will lead to destruction . . age and pace of the team.

Be it a 4-3-3, 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 we have a pathetic personnel im midfield. And playing a 4-3-3 will not help Kalou put the ball in the net and not over the bar from 5 yards. Yo have to go back to about 6 matches away to find a Ballack shot on goal . . a 4-5-1 cannot change that. . neither can it help him running after a player and help the RB. .

A 4-3-3 cannot help Lampard stop kicking the freekick into the wall . . always! Neither can it stop him putting a corner kick straight into the palms of the oppo goalie. The last time we scored from a corner kick was against Wolves and Malouda took that corner. Before then we scored from a Lampard free kick against ManU 40 yards from their goal. Anyone could do that. When was the last time we scored from a free kick that Drogba did not take?

We've not scored from a through-pass to the attackers in along time. .Why because we don't have good passers of the ball in midfield. If we don't have a big striker like Drogba that can force his way and create things for himself, our midfield can't just create.

Bosingwa is prehaps the best crosser of the ball in wide areas. . . perhaps Zhirkov.



These are fundamental problems that are fast showing their faces. And it don't matter what formation you are playing they will come back to hunt you. . and the only way to solve those problems is to go out now and buy while we can. . If we don't, we won't be able to buy for 2 years. Simple.


Players always show best form when there's a new manager, or when the season begins. The true character and quality of a team starts to show mid-season. . and that's exactly where we are now. So all the flashy performances in the beginning will fade away . .

Bros believe or not. . . We have to buy.

God bless you on the Lampard observation, dude is on the verge of competely losing it. I totally see where you are coming from

but (a very big but) Carlotti, considering his managerial approach to footie as evident during his ac milan days, is not the type to buy worldclass

players to replace players like Lampard, Deco, Ballack simply because of their reputation.

We can all come here and wish for some spectacular signing in the transfer window but I tell you one thing if players like pirlo, Inzaghi,Seedorf

Gattuso were not replaced by younger, fresher worldclass players during his tenure @ milan then do not expect anything different from him now.

that is the sad reality, didn't you notice I never really supported carlotti from the start, there is no smoke without fire.

if he buys young WC players to replace these guys then he would have proved me wrong and gain my respect, bookmark this page for future

reference/evidence if at all carlotti buys any player in Jan, it will be motivated by the loss of key players to ANC rather than lack of right personnel

in certain position on the pitch and I still think that is unlikely to happen

Bastian


When this thread turn jokes section?

Sure!!! Comparing Joe Cole who plays like a cripple at his peak to Schweisteiger who destroyed Portugal is a huge joke

Intelligent post Jalether - If Carlo didn't replace Seedorf, Kaladze and Ambrosini at AC, why would he get rid of 'young' players like Ballack and Deco?  

But that said, the same gentleman bought Pato and his quality is clear.


As long as he remains top of the table come new year, Carlo might decide to stay on with this side. . . .with good reason too. It will be very difficult to bring in quality that can quickly gel with Chelski's current mode of play and make a difference.

As a bunch of OAPs, y'all were bound to have a slowdown at a period in the season. . .as long as that doesn't lead to losing the top spot I wouldn't be too worried.

debosky:

Shekpe is in big trouble this season. . . .once DD and co take off, the train will truly come off the rails.

When you need penalties to get points against the two worst teams in the league (while playing at FULL strength minus Bosingwa & Essien) then you know you're in deep poo.

And no. . . .there's no comparison of Utd losing to a very efficient Fulham side (who beat them last season as well) while playing without CBs to this utterly shambolic performance by you lot.

@ nateevs

At the rate things are going, the EPL winner will lose more than 5 games. . .the point dropping by top sides is simply astonishing.

I agree, the spirit of gaynerism has been inflicted upon the rest of the big four this season, I rebuke such spirit in the name of jesus

on a serious note, I think the gap between the top four and rest of the teams is becoming increasingly slim, this is a great season for Williamhill

and skybet

debosky:


As long as he remains top of the table come new year, Carlo might decide to stay on with this side. . . .with good reason too. It will be very difficult to bring in quality that can quickly gel with Chelski's current mode of play and make a difference.

The OAP are not performing and this is costing us relatively easy points, now if we buy younger WC players what have we got to lose?

at worst, they take longer to adapt to the system hence bad perfromances and poor result which wouldn't matter because this OAP are not

exactly producing the goods.

debosky:

As a bunch of OAPs, y'all were bound to have a slowdown at a period in the season. . .as long as that doesn't lead to losing the top spot I wouldn't be too worried.

This is the premiership not Qatar, pace is a major component of the league, imagine Deco against Song or Mascherano

dayokanu:

Sure!!! Comparing Joe Cole who plays like a cripple at his peak to Schweisteiger who destroyed Portugal is a huge joke

Erm  how old is he? 25 . . .Joe cole 28. . . Comaring when he was 25

I'd say theres nothing "Great" about these 2 players but comparing them on overall ability and choosing bastian is a joke. . . . .Only thing bastian can do better than Joe is play outside shots with good accuracy and pace!. . .What else??

Joe's flexibility on the ball makes him unpredictable and a natural dribbler! He dont need pace to beat a player! He'd rather set up a chance to score than take a shot from 30yards!. .

bastian schweinsteger ko. . .  Arnold schwarzenegger ni. .

lalaboi:

Erm  how old is he? 25 . . .Joe cole 28. . . Comaring when he was 25

I'd say theres nothing "Great" about these 2 players but comparing them on overall ability and choosing bastian is a joke. . . . .Only thing bastian can do better than Joe is play outside shots with good accuracy and pace!. . .What else??

Joe's flexibility on the ball makes him unpredictable and a natural dribbler! He dont need pace to beat a player! He'd rather set up a chance to score than take a shot from 30yards!. .

bastian schweinsteger ko. . .  Arnold schwarzenegger ni. .

You dey mind dk, next he will tell us Gomiss is better than Rooney and Drogba put together

Erm  how old is he? 25 . . .Joe cole 28. . . Comaring when he was 25

I'd say theres nothing "Great" about these 2 players but comparing them on overall ability and choosing bastian is a joke. . . . .Only thing bastian can do better than Joe is play outside shots with good accuracy and pace!. . .What else??

Bastian delivery from Set pieces kill Joe COle, He tackles better(Yesterday he was Defensive Midfielder), He can pass better than Joe Cole, He doesnt do meaningless step overs like Joey,

Joe's flexibility on the ball makes him unpredictable and a natural dribbler! He dont need pace to beat a player! He'd rather set up a chance to score than take a shot from 30yards!. .

Joe a dribbler? I am sure you are having a laugh. He cant dribble round a pole. Thats a fact

With youtube evidence show us what Joe Cole has done at his best. What was Joe Coles best game in his miserable life and compare to any of Schweisteigers game against Portugal both at the Euro or at the World cup

bastian schweinsteger ko. . .  Arnold schwarzenegger ni. .

Joe Cole ko . . . . . . Wande Coal ni

Is it this dificult?

Tel us Joe Coles best performance on a football field in his miserable 28years and compare to Bastian Schweisteiger against Portugal at eitther the Euro or the world cup

Below is a Bastian performance with a goal and 2 set piece deliveries

[flash=500,400]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/DTXdjjq4KAA[/flash]

dayokanu:

Bastian delivery from Set pieces kill Joe COle, He tackles better(Yesterday he was Defensive Midfielder), He can pass better than Joe Cole, He doesnt do meaningless step overs like Joey,

Doh. . .Joe dont need a set piece!. . .Even from open play! he'll find ya!. . .Let me remind you!. . "cross from a difficult angle on the left hand corner!. . .Left footed in!. . .and GBAM! dogba socres!! Assist? joey!. . .Champs league 2005 Vs Bayern

He played DM and you conceeded 2 goals!. . .He prolly spent too much time going forward!. . .

dayokanu:


Joe a dribbler? I am sure you are having a laugh. He cant dribble round a pole. Thats a fact

With youtube evidence show us what Joe Cole has done at his best. What was Joe Coles best game in his miserable life and compare to any of Schweisteigers game against Portugal both at the Euro or at the World cup

Yeye!. . .Stop this cow s.hit na!. . .You dare judge a player for his performance against one team!. . . If you says he's better based on that performance then Howard is far better than Gerard for knocking em out of the FA cup 2years ago!


Joey cant dribble1. . .his ball control lasan will buy you a mansion in peuto rico! lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8EuSBucyBc&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="[/flash]

No mention bastian again for hia!. . .he's so S.hit! you had to play him in DM!. . .you had to buy Ribery and robben! Thats how shitty he is!

dayokanu:

Is it this dificult?

Tel us Joe Coles best performance on a football field in his miserable 28years and compare to Bastian Schweisteiger against Portugal at eitther the Euro or the world cup

Below is a Bastian performance with a goal and 2 set piece deliveries

[flash=500,400]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/DTXdjjq4KAA[/flash]

Joe Cole vs Man utd 04/05

Joe Cole Vs sweden WC 06

Joe cole vs Liverpool UCL 06/07

And that is just a tip of the iceberg

Portugal's defence was crap anyway!. . .

Yeye!. . .Stop this cow s.hit na!. . .You dare judge a player for his performance against one team!. . . If you says he's better based on that performance then Howard is far better than Gerard for knocking em out of the FA cup 2years ago!

You want me to show you his performance at a world cup vs Portugal one of the top teams in European football?

Joey cant dribble1. . .his ball control lasan will buy you a mansion in peuto rico! lol

OMG!!! You had to show us evidence from Joe Coles performance against a 3rd division side?
That alone shows you how shitty Joe Cole is. He only shines against QPR

No mention bastian again for hia!. . .he's so S.hit! you had to play him in DM!. . .you had to buy Ribery and robben! Thats how shitty he is!

Joe Cole is so crappy that cripples like Malouda Kalou and co get playing time ahead of him

Show us youtube clips when Joe Cole dominated a whole game not just flashes here and there the way Schweinsteiger did at the World cup and at the Euros

Joe Cole vs Man utd 04/05

Joe Cole Vs sweden WC 06

Joe cole vs Liverpool UCL 06/07

And that is just a tip of the iceberg

Can you give us clips of the whole match showing Joeys domination.

Portugal's defence was crap anyway!. . .

Marshalled by CHelsea boys like Bosingwa, Carvalho's or Ferreira

@ dayo, Follow the link below, BTW how do you guys embed videos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1KRYc5hnJE

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