Henry120:

Does it stop them from being the 2nd largest military in the world. We all saw russian troops in Crimea, did they look poorly trained or poorly equipped to you?". Dummy.


No they can't.


They make up the highest number of individual vehicles in the military of virtually all countries on earth.


Yes we can, and we are doing so.

Does it stop them from being the 2nd largest military in the world. We all saw russian troops in Crimea, did they look poorly trained or poorly equipped to you?". Dummy.

What we saw were the cream of the crop - Russian contract soldiers

Their average grunt is poorly trained, armed, led and motivated.

FACT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russias-military-is-the-largest-in-the-region-but-it-isnt-the-same-force-as-in-soviet-times/2014/03/10/b3b955b8-a48c-11e3-a5fa-55f0c77bf39c_story.html

Yes we can, and we are doing so
What you type on the internet and what is happening in reality are two very different things

Henry120:

He demolished your argument. Yes he did.

No he made a stupid argument.

We sell to the americans - the best funded and trained military on earth

They only buy the best.

Hence, it is the best.

HEROES OF CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC BATTLE BEING HONOURED....ON THE PICTURES ARE SOUTH AFRICAN SPECIAL FORCES WHO FOUGHT FOR 6 HOURS AND SUFFERED NO CASUALTIES ONL 3 HAD MINOR INJURIES

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Thiza: @AUGUSTUS SEE THE NEW TRAINS THAT ARE COMING ON LINE IN 2015.....

Have you seen Nigeria's next train projects design for 2016 upwards? You think Nigerians sit down on one achievement like your drunkard Soweto brothers who have no job, drinking every day of the week still celebrating the same old time release of Mandela from prison 1994 ? [/size]

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Msauza:

Then SA saved you from the wrath of ABACHA.

Na South Africa k.ill Abacha inside Aso Rock?

MikeZA: Yes,in terms IEDs,mines etc. Turret? You can remove the entire roof to mount whatever you want.

Chinese and Americans too can remove the whole roof of their MRAPS and mount whatever they want.

They are better engineers than your koeldrunk South African nation.

Thiza: POST 1994 SOWETO ROCKS

How many white people live there?

Contain the ordinary poachers in South Africa before coming out to make noise about Nigeria's mission against spineless insurgents.

MikeZA: The enemy position is fed to the command post with data links. Fire correction can be done by UAVs ans Reccon units. And NO,it doesn't mean the enemy is 10km away,ever heard about "shoot and scout" which SA gunners perfectly demonstrated in Angola.

South African army has NO direct fire weapon with range more than 10km....at that range you are exposed to Nigerian army weapons of the same equal range....in war, you k.ill and also get k.illed in the process.
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patches689:

Yeah the namer is a beast

But it would be completely usless to any nation other than isreal

Try to improve your life a bit by accepting simple corrections. Your fellow countryman is telling you that Israeli army and air force are probably the best men in the world and you are still twisting his tongue. Humility is a virtue, be a man.

patches689:

Anti-poaching is not an SANDF responsibility, as much as you try to say otherwise.

I slapped you with not one but 3 counter-arguments.

You just slapped yourself, mumu.

Your other 2 comments are more stupidd, so ignore them and answer the less stupidd one.

Anywhere in the world, when an army gets an order to do something, that thing becomes their responsibility. SANDF was ordered to enter Kruger park and stop Rhino poachers, it becomes their responsibility.

So sad to see the self acclaimed 'Masters of bush war' become a final failure in their own backyard bush, defeated by thieves armed with hunting rifles. SANDF una be real mumu

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patches689:

OMG Mandela once visited Nigeria?

O wow so impressive

You had nothing to do with the liberation struggle - hence why you were snubbed Madibas funeral. Who were the major speakers I ask you? They were those who actually assisted South Africa.

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American president Obama was major speaker at Mandela's funeral, show me how he assisted to free South Africa from apartheid, and I will show you letter Nigeria wrote to America and Britain warning them of the evils in their strong support for apartheid.

I seem to know South African history more than you do, reason why I said if not for Nigeria saving you, all you guys posting on Nairaland will not even have a laptop....and if you go to the beach for picnic, the apartheid white man's dog will eat you for it's own animal picnic. [/size]

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patches689:


We don't lack APC's, we can basically churn out hundreds of them every year from the local industry,

Lol, no you dont

I don't know why you keep colouring comments all over nairaland.com, are you a failed painter?


In addition to the IGIRIGI and Proforce defence APC's, we can also get additional protected mobility from INKAS, ARZA armouring, Mekahog/DCD manufactured IKRI, and a fourth from a chinese-nigerian company based in nigeria.


So like I said earlier, the pool is large enough to meet local demand, and we can get hundreds of additional protected mobility if we want to.

patches689:

Does it stop them from being the 2nd largest military in the world. We all saw russian troops in Crimea, did they look poorly trained or poorly equipped to you?". Dummy.

What we saw were the cream of the crop - Russian contract soldiers

Their average grunt is poorly trained, armed, led and motivated.

FACT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russias-military-is-the-largest-in-the-region-but-it-isnt-the-same-force-as-in-soviet-times/2014/03/10/b3b955b8-a48c-11e3-a5fa-55f0c77bf39c_story.html

Yes we can, and we are doing so
What you type on the internet and what is happening in reality are two very different things

After typing that long meaningless tale, you still could not refute the glaring fact, the troops in crimea were russian.


What I type is actually what I see happening around me. My regret at the moment, was my inability to attend the just concluded "armoured vehicles west-africa conference" in Abuja.

I would surely have been better armed with information on the new entrants of the nigerian market.

MikeZA: With BH which is openly engaging your forces and holding land. You'll send me an e-mail seeking residence when BH knocks at the gates of Abuja. IS version 2.

They are holding land in pretoria. BH cannot hold land in nigeria, they would be annihilated into sawdust.

You wish you have a city like Abuja. Mind you, We don't all reside in Abuja or lagos dummy.

patches689:

No he made a stupid argument.

We sell to the americans - the best funded and trained military on earth

They only buy the best.

Hence, it is the best.

The americans are also buying 40 MI-17/MI-35 attack helicopters.

The cougar and bushmaster MRAPs are the best MRAPs in the world.

andrewza:

OK lets set a few things straight.

The US MRAPs for the most part serves only the USA where SA MRAPs are great export items. And UA MRAPs can not touch the SA stuff.
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America bought South African MRAPS for urgent need in Iraq/Afghanistan, now they don't need you any more. MRAP technology is NOT rocket science, the Americans and Chinese have taken MRAP beyond South Africa's old level.

The world of MRAPs no longer revolves around South Africa, Russians and Israelis now make great MRAPS...

Israel has built a RPG resistant MRAP.....http://www.military-today.com/apc/golan_mrap.htm

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andrewza:

even with how HIV we still have a higher life expediency than Nigeria, why do you think that is.

Only because we report and list our crimes, how much goes unreported in Nigeria? A lot huh.

Almost every crime in Nigeria is reported to Police, our people have 170 million mobile phones and our police has 3,000 station/offices in every town and an outpost in every village.

Your reporting is not better than ours, fact is that apart from on going insurgency in NE, murder us very rare in Nigeria, we value life as part of our culture. Most common crime in Nigeria is petty stealing area boys hooliganism and that is only in the metro cities.

You just don't know Nigeria.

andrewza:

tons of photos of 7div the guys fighting BH on the web.

still a AK47, AKM is just a modified 47 i don't think any body uses the old original AK47 any more. It is like comparing a M16A2 to a M16A3.

means when you go prone in dirt you slam the top of the mag in to dirt increasing the chances of this

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The Nigerian soldiers on nairaland photos are less than 500 men. We have about 20,000 soldiers in NE war, you saw only 2% of our men, and many had Travor rifles.

AKM range is superior to AK-47 range.

R4 of SANDF is also a copy of Israeli Galil which is a copy of AK-47

Nigerian made OBJ-006 rifle specs are partly classified

MikeZA: Nothing changes: 1 assault rifle and 150 bullets. If a Nigerian soldier gets shot in combat he'll likely die from bleeding.

Nigerian army carries 5 mags, yes, the American army can carry 1 million mags if the like, they did not win COIN war in Afghanistan. For South African army at 6 mags, it's not much difference from 5 mags, and who will copy South Africa? Nobody, 13 African countries came to Nigeria to learn COIN warfare 2014 modern tactics, they saw SANDF there and ignored you.

Nigeria has it's own combat doctrine, Sirius Black said the vehicles we drive in are loaded with boxes of extra mags. Those soldiers you see are always photographed close to their vehicles, means current ops is motorized. If they have to leave vehicle for long range ops, they will carry extra mags.

There are 3 different orders for battle, assault order (short duration, only essential load), combat order (24 hours load), and marching orders (14 days load)....for each order type, soldiers carry very different quantity of supplies.


I won't repeat old posts, Nigerian army does NOT rely on just AK-47 mags for combat, every fire-team of four soldiers has a machine gun with belt feed ammo.

A photo is worth a thousand words....try count the number of bullets a 4-man NA team carry on their bodies. Mumu

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patches689:

The Mig-21 is not being sold to the best and wealthiest military's in the world.

Today, one new MiG-21 price will buy 6 of the best MRAPS in this world. Poor nations like Benin Republic is buying Casspir 2000 MRAP, so what makes you think MRAP is a wealthy countries' equipment? Malawi Republic has MRAPS....You this Olodo

MikeZA: That isn't change this facts. 1. One assault rifle and 150 bullets. 2. No buddy aid. 3. No webbing. 4. No water. 5. Support weapons. 6. Lack of combat search and rescue. And more.

The Nigerian soldiers' photos you see are those on brief ops mostly, assault order, short duration, and most are motorized. You have never seen photos of NA troops on long range marching order that are equipped for many days survival. I recommend you travel to north east Nigeria and see things for yourself, then come back and tell us your story after seeing our 20,000 men.....if you ever come back !

Thiza: HEROES OF CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC BATTLE BEING HONOURED....ON THE PICTURES ARE SOUTH AFRICAN SPECIAL FORCES WHO FOUGHT FOR 6 HOURS AND SUFFERED NO CASUALTIES ONL 3 HAD MINOR INJURIES

Those guys ran from Seleka, and had no courage to go back since 2013. Cowardice is a virtue of honour in South Africa

Look at those pictures, SANDF soldiers are really old and weak, if those guys run 500 meters, their heart beat pulse rate will hit 200 !!

They will just fall down and collapse

SANDF retirement home militia

"But in Bangui, Cyril Bensimon, the RFI journalist who originally reported the claims of more SANDF deaths, stuck to his story on Friday, saying that other sources had since contacted him to confirm it. An officer of the Central African peacekeeping force, FOMAC, which had also been stationed in the CAR, had told him that FOMAC troops had brought about 40 bodies of SANDF troops back from the battlefield to the SANDF base.

A regional diplomat had also congratulated Bensimon on his article, telling him: “You have written what we could not say.”

And he said that the Seleka chief of staff, General Hakouma Arda, who led the forces which clashed with the SANDF, and who had told him he had personally seen the bodies of 36 SANDF soldiers on the battlefield, was a reliable source."

http://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/seleka-rebels-dispute-death-toll-of-soldiers-1.1496538#.U-1sxPldVB0

"General Arda Hakouma, who led the Seleka rebel coalition operation to capture Bangui, insists more South Africans were among the soldiers he killed.

“What is certain, I personally, Chief of Staff, chief of operations, so I am the one who directed the battle, I saw 36 South African dead and 22 wounded. That’s for sure, and there were prisoners too, we handed them over to Fomac [The regional African peacekeeping force for CAR]," he said."

http://www.english.rfi.fr/africa/20130404-witness-saw-over-50-bodybags-heading-south-africa-amid-allegations-involving-zumas-n

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agaugust:

Nigerian army carries 5 mags, yes, the American army can carry 1 million mags if the like, they did not win COIN war in Afghanistan. For South African army at 6 mags, it's not much difference from 5 mags, and who will copy South Africa? Nobody, 13 African countries came to Nigeria to learn COIN warfare 2014 modern tactics, they saw SANDF there and ignored you.

Nigeria has it's own combat doctrine, Sirius Black said the vehicles we drive in are loaded with boxes of extra mags. Those soldiers you see are always photographed close to their vehicles, means current ops is motorized. If they have to leave vehicle for long range ops, they will carry extra mags.

There are 3 different orders for battle, assault order (short duration, only essential load), combat order (24 hours load), and marching orders (14 days load)....for each order type, soldiers carry very different quantity of supplies.


I won't repeat old posts, Nigerian army does NOT rely on just AK-47 mags for combat, every fire-team of four soldiers has a machine gun with belt feed ammo.

A photo is worth a thousand words....try count the number of bullets a 4-man NA team carry on their bodies. Mumu

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I SEE POVERTY. DAMN DO THOSE GUYS EVEN GET PAID OR WHAT?

andrewza:

Nigeria does not have any spy balloon, or if they do it is worthless since BH is still able to launch massive attacks on Nigerian towns with techncals.


Arty does not need to see you to shoot you.

Nigeria is using domestically made spy balloons, it is one reason why attacks on major cities have greatly reduced.

"The Commander, Corps of Engineers, Major General Funsho Owonibi, made this disclosure yesterday at the opening ceremony of the Operations Planning Cadre organised by the 81 Division General Officer Commanding, Major General Tamunomieibi Dibi, held at 65 Battalion, Victoria Island, Lagos.

He said some of the measures included the establishment of bomb disposal squadrons in all divisional headquarters, establishment of canine units as well as establishment of the department of lessons learnt at army headquarters and civilian-military relations up to divisional levels.

Owonibi also said the recent establishment of the Nigerian army low altitude platform station was to considerably improve its ability to checkmate terrorism"

http://allafrica.com/stories/201407220484.html


On artillery, you got it wrong, Palmaria does direct fire on ground targets with it's main gun depressed to human height level, and technically the range is still 24 km !!!

It will wipe out enemy tanks from 10km long range ! It has telescopic target image magnification x8.

You dont mess around with Nigerian army dude !

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agaugust:

Those guys ran from Seleka, and had no courage to go back since 2013. Cowardice is a virtue of honour in South Africa

Look at those pictures, SANDF soldiers are really old and weak, if those guys run 500 meters, their heart beat pulse rate will hit 200 !!

They will just fall down and collapse

SANDF retirement home militia

"But in Bangui, Cyril Bensimon, the RFI journalist who originally reported the claims of more SANDF deaths, stuck to his story on Friday, saying that other sources had since contacted him to confirm it. An officer of the Central African peacekeeping force, FOMAC, which had also been stationed in the CAR, had told him that FOMAC troops had brought about 40 bodies of SANDF troops back from the battlefield to the SANDF base.

A regional diplomat had also congratulated Bensimon on his article, telling him: “You have written what we could not say.”

And he said that the Seleka chief of staff, General Hakouma Arda, who led the forces which clashed with the SANDF, and who had told him he had personally seen the bodies of 36 SANDF soldiers on the battlefield, was a reliable source."

http://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/seleka-rebels-dispute-death-toll-of-soldiers-1.1496538#.U-1sxPldVB0

"General Arda Hakouma, who led the Seleka rebel coalition operation to capture Bangui, insists more South Africans were among the soldiers he killed.

“What is certain, I personally, Chief of Staff, chief of operations, so I am the one who directed the battle, I saw 36 South African dead and 22 wounded. That’s for sure, and there were prisoners too, we handed them over to Fomac [The regional African peacekeeping force for CAR]," he said."

http://www.english.rfi.fr/africa/20130404-witness-saw-over-50-bodybags-heading-south-africa-amid-allegations-involving-zumas-n

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A delusional commander of seleka which is non-existant is believed by AGAUGUST. SA is not a banana republic like Nigeria which always remains mum about their casualty. You do that in SA and you will be in for a high jump from parliament and opposition parties mostly DA which monitors everything that the government do. We have a perfect checks and balances principle in our country.

Msauza:

I SEE POVERTY. DAMN DO THOSE GUYS EVEN GET PAID OR WHAT?

Slim fit soldiers with stamina, not SANDF pot belly fat azzes. Have you seen how slim Israeli soldiers are? Speed and endurance. Fat kills

Msauza:


A delusional commander of seleka which is non-existant is believed by AGAUGUST..

Your great tormentor exists O ! Msauza run run run !

http://www.lanouvellecentrafrique.org/category/news/page/6/



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agaugust:
Your great tormentor exists O ! Msauza run run run !
http://www.lanouvellecentrafrique.org/category/news/page/6/

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CANT YOU SEE THAT MAN LOOKS MENTALLY DISTURBED JUST LIKE YOU. WE KILLED OVER 800 OF HIS MEN TO THE LEVEL OF GETTING HYPERTENSION AND HALUCINATIONS.

SOMETHING SANDF USED WERE VERY NEW TO THEM AND THEY DID NOTHING TO STOP IT OTHER THAN RAISING A WHITE FLAG.

SELEKA IS NON- EXISTANT.

agaugust:


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American president Obama was major speaker at Mandela's funeral, show me how he assisted to free South Africa from apartheid, and I will show you letter Nigeria wrote to America and Britain warning them of the evils in their strong support for apartheid.

I seem to know South African history more than you do, reason why I said if not for Nigeria saving you, all you guys posting on Nairaland will not even have a laptop....and if you go to the beach for picnic, the apartheid white man's dog will eat you for it's own animal picnic. [/size]

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