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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 3:10pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
@AUGUSTUS JUST COMPARE TAXI RANKS IN SOWETO TO THE ONE IN LAGOS 1 Like
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:51pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
agaugust: Nigeria had nothing to do with the end of apartheid The end of the Cold War and the withdrawal of American, British and French support for the apartheid regeim ended if. Nigerians were (as usual) just flapping their gums while the real world powers were brokering back-room deals If anything, the talks that brought about the end of apartheid can be better attributed to white South African mining companies (who brought the ANC and NP together for back channel talks in the UK) than anything the toothless Nigeria did Yet again, Nigerians seek to claim credit where none is due Leaotho played a bigger role in ending apartheid Bunch o jackasses you lot 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:55pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
agaugust: You have to grow your economy by another 60% to be as wealthy as us You lag significantly behind us in all development indices Take your opinion and go for a hike The facts have spoken, nigeria is the definition of 3rd world and your biggest export is drug dealers and pimps 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 4:17pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
OK lets set a few things straight. MRAPs The US MRAPs for the most part serves only the USA where SA MRAPs are great export items. And UA MRAPs can not touch the SA stuff. Nigeria does not have any spy balloon, or if they do it is worthless since BH is still able to launch massive attacks on Nigerian towns with techncals. Not all NATO countries issue personal radios to every troop There is no 50km cell phone jammer Nigeria did nothing to help end apartheid Arty does not need to see you to shoot you. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 4:34pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=35857:sandf-planning-for-implementation-of-defence-review&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242 The South African National Defence Force (SANDF) has set up a planning committee for the implementation of the Defence Review as it slowly inches its way from concept to reality. Chief of the South African Army, Lieutenant General Vusi Masondo this morning told journalists that the review has been approved by cabinet and is with parliament for discussion and endorsement. “The Defence Review is posing a crucial question: what kind of defence force do we need…what tasks have to be undertaken? Once this question has been answered they will be required to resource the defence force adequately.” “We are excited in the SA Army since there is movement on the Defence Review front aimed at bolstering our efforts towards fulfilment of the mandate that the constitution set on us, that of providing combat-ready forces to safeguard our borders and territorial integrity while also playing a role in laying a foundation from which social development would be possible. We are also mindful that the SA Army is not a social agent for socio-economic development and upliftment of the public,” Masondo told journalists at the SA Army annual media breakfast this morning. “The Defence Review Report recommends a change in the approach on how the SANDF and SA Army in particular conduct business for us to fulfil our constitutional mandate. Our responsibility exceeds just doing border control and safeguarding the people of the Republic. We are a part of the global community that asks of us to become more involved on the African continent as part of the African Union and the United Nations. “We have been aware of challenges that have been hindering our operations for a few years and have since reported that to our principals. It also gives us great joy that our requests are now being considered, albeit in a phased approach, depending on the availability of funds.” READ MORE Military command needs to get on board Defence Review Challenges ahead if SA wants to be Africa\'s military superpower Defence Review on Parliamentary hold at least until mid-August Vusi Masondo Masondo said the first milestone of the Defence Review is to arrest the decline that is currently taking place within the Army. “If we are fortunate enough to have funds being availed we will arrest the decline and reprioritise the SANDF.” The Defence Review would like to see defence spending increase to 2.4% of GDP but Masondo noted that because the economy is not performing well, with huge debts to service, “funding would be incremental and not immediate.” The Review ultimately would like to see the defence budget standing at R88 billion (double what it is at present) and 158 operational units. Masondo said he welcomed the cabinet’s intention through the Defence Review to improve the funding of the Defence Force. Because of a lack of funding, most of the Army’s budget is going to salaries. “We are spending a huge portion of the defence budget on human resources. We should be spending 30% on operations, 30% on capital renewal and 40% on personnel. We are not there,” Masondo said, with salaries accounting for over half the defence budget (58%). “We are faced with challenges,” he added, with the budget shortage necessitating the use of funding from the operations budget to pay salaries, something which is “not an ideal situation.” For the Army, Masondo said the Review would like the establishment of an armour brigade that will provide medium and heavy forces, which can be used for peace enforcement. “The Defence Review envisages the establishment of a motorised division, charged mainly with border safeguarding and internal protection tasks including peace support operations on the continent. It also envisages the establishment of a contingency brigade. This will allow for a rapid deployment instrument for the chief of the SANDF.” “We are now actively on a drive to arrest the decline that renders our army unable to optimally reach the heights we would like to reach. The Defence Review makes it possible to continue full-scale force rejuvenation, revamp and in some cases, replace ageing equipment while at the same time addressing the issue of ageing, derelict facilities. The SA Army is moving forward and with that, there is a need to improve the conditions of our soldiers on the ground,” Masondo said. The Army will in the next two years start receiving 238 Badger infantry fighting vehicles, recently took delivery of the Starstreak air-defence missile and aims to replace its Casspir, Mamba and Samil vehicles through Projects Sapula and Vistula. Although these projects are taking time, the implementation of the Defence Review means they could be accelerated. In spite of its challenges, Masondo said the Army has done what was asked of it. “Over the years we have complied with ordered commitments, including external operations. The army is healthy. It has challenges here and there but it is managing them.” 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 4:34pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
MikeZA: NOPE. Reminder: Nigerian soldiers carry 1 AK-47 and 150 bullets. Wrong. 1 OBJ-006, 1 AKM, 1 FN FNC 1 AK-74, 150 rounds. American troops in afghanistan carry 1 M-4A1, 7 MAGs. Prolonged fire-fight, there are always additional MAG's in the Armoured vehicles. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 4:37pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
MikeZA: . Read-->:Air-land integration, or ALI, is a proven force multiplier, enhancing operational commanders' situational awareness, speeding up the decision-making cycle and key to seizing and maintaining the initiative in chaotic, complex, uncertain and hostile environments.itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/news/item_id-35854/ Defenceweb = Propaganda. South-African version of "Joseph Geobbels". Provide a reputable source. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 4:40pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
patches689: South-Africa is a 3rd world HIV infected, Ra/pe (infant ra/pe), murder capital of the world. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 4:46pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
Henry120: We have all seen the pics, the bulk of your army is armed with AK47s, sure there are others here and there but not in larg numbers. US solders do not have to tape 4 mags together though and 7 mags is 210 rounds. not to mention that is the minimum standard of a us solder, there grunts go in to batel with up to 410 ronds. So you will confine your self to your trucks? 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 4:46pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
andrewza: OK lets set a few things straight. You can see the cell phone jammer the NPF use, has a range of upto 50KM. It is left for the police force to deploy it's jammer to what ever range it needs to. There is no infinite surveillance of any nations territory. The article I pasted clearly chronicles the build and deployment of nigerian army Spy balloon. *i remember pasting a photo of it when it was launched. All NATO forces serving in Afghanistan get issued with Personal radio kits. The bushmaster and cougar are the world's most popular MRAPs. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 4:47pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
Henry120: just because you do not like it, still waiting for that proof defence web stole info from you one man beagel blog. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 4:58pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
@Henry120 TRUE WE HAVE THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF HIV CASES IN THE WORLD AND NIGERIA IS SECOND (HOPE YOU KNOW YOUR STATUS) MAJORITY OF NIGERIAN DONT KNOW THEIR STATUS....RAPE AND CRIME IS HIGH IN SOUTH AFRICA SO IS ALSO IN NIGERIA ...WHATABOUT RITUAL KILLINGS A BARBARIC MEDIVIAL BELIEF THAT YOU WILL BE RICH SEE THESE PICTURES@AUGUSTUS AND COMMENT 2 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:59pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
Thiza: @AUGUSTUS THESE HOUSES ARE FOR THE POOR AND UNEMPLOYED FOR FREE.... ....That's the reason why 90% of South African men are lazy drunkards who refuse to work, they want to live like kings just because ANC is in power, can they get free cash and houses free in the days of P.W. Botha ? Lazy Soweto nation, able bodied men who waste their whole life drinking Koeldrank, drugs, womanizing, web p.orno, smoking... Waiting for immigrants to come from other countries to the work that is available in South Africa, so that you people can sleep from morning till night waiting for free lunch from Soweto government. Keep feeding and housing your wasted generation of adults for free, you think that Father Christmas policy makes South Africa great? No, it makes you stink up to heaven, the Bible says "He that will not work, let him not eat"....reason why the Boer-Whitemen still hate you lazy unproductive black South Africans, you are a sucking burden to the whole nation. The slum people in Makoko Lagos have work or trade they do....and heaven is praising them for the fruits of their labour despite living in a slum. South Africans have well developed cities but poorly developed human brains . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 5:03pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
[quote author=agaugust] Quote where I ever said South Africa is a better country...quote it. You have more cities built with modern infrastructure, that's all I said. Thank your master F.W. De Klerk for your fine buildings and roads. What makes you better? All South Africa's modern cities are crime infested and unsafe, Johannesburg has been declared as the most unfriendly city in the world. Nigerian insecurity is limited to the remote, rural border towns with very few people. 99% of Nigeria's modern cities are 99% safe to live in and friendly to the core. Nigeria's economy is almost double that of South Africa, we have 6 times less debt, and big companies like Nissan, Toyota, Ford are all systematically running away from South Africa to find salvation, deliverance, and prosperity of business in Nigeria. Lagos business hub is slowly taking the cream and icing sugar off your cake to make Pretoria economically dry and tasteless [/size] Those companies you have mentioned are going no where, they would rather be managed with a remote control under SA based headquarters. SA produces more of metals which makes cars than Nigerians and all the components will be made in SA and be shipped to Nigeria to be assembled. Nigeria's GDP is $510 b and SA is $370 b and I do not see where it doubles. SA economy would soon boom when they will be starting SKA project and stop importing more oil by producing their own. BH will affect the economy of Nigeria in a long run and SA will claim back its position. Mark my words and diarise it from today. . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 5:06pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
Henry120: And it is pointless, see how big that thing is, and it is static. And why has it had zero success, why are there zero pics of it. Not to menstion it was leaked not long ago Nigeria has zero drones in operation and that thing is a drone. And no. [img]http://www.army.mil/-images/2007/06/06/5489/army.mil-2007-06-18-094708.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.defense.gov/dodcmsshare/newsphoto/2009-12/hires_091130-F-9171L-362.jpg[/img] nope bushmaster sold well in Australia, but other places got only small numbers of them couger sold well in UK and USA for the rest small numbers. More casspirs where built than the couger and bush master by the way. the number being in the thousands. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 5:08pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
Henry120: even with how HIV we still have a higher life expediency than Nigeria, why do you think that is. Only because we report and list our crimes, how much goes unreported in Nigeria? A lot huh. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:10pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
Henry120: The article is literally quoting someone on the record you clown. It also quotes policy documents which are available on the public forum. And Defenceweb is part of a reputable network of media outlets. Pity we cant say the same for your man beegeagle - because its a blog |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:15pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
andrewza: So, you've seen the bulk of our army, to verify that they all use AK-47's? There are little to no AK-47's in service with the nigerian army. The army mostly use AKM's, OBJ-006's and AK-74's. Tying a tape round Two or more MAG's allow for quick change of MAG's. The Ukrainians do it, the russians also do it etc etc it allows you carry more rounds in your pouches. U.S forces go into battle with 7 rounds per soldier. There are also nigerian soldiers who go into battle with 410 rounds. Trucks are used by every military in battle, you've seen U.S commandos driving toyota Tacoma trucks in afghanistan. Again I pasted those images when you began arguing aimlessly. We do not lack armoured vehicles. In addition to the over 400 Otokar Cobras and Panhard VBLs we field, the nigerian army also fields hundreds of, IGIRIGI APC's, Proforce ACV, Up armoured pinguaer trucks, Streit MK3 Streit MK2, As primary light armoured vehicles. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:15pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
Henry120: South-Africa is a 3rd Wrong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_state HIV infected And Nigeria has the worlds second biggest HIV infected population - its probably bigger, but your government doesn't have effective testing regeims like we do Ra/pe (infant ra/pe), murder capital of the world South Africa and Nigeria have the same crime index http://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp and on top of that NIGERIA TOPS THE TERROR LIST http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10985470/Global-terrorist-death-toll-soars-as-attacks-become-deadlier.html 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:17pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
agaugust: So you have no actual retort other than unloading a whole lot of hurt feelings? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:22pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
Henry120: Tying a tape round Two or more MAG's allow for quick change of MAG's. The Ukrainians do it, the russians also do it etc etc it allows you carry more rounds in your pouches. The year of our lord 2014. Thinking that the Russians and Ukranians are something to aspire to be. Christ, help this man. Trucks are used by every military in battle, you've seen U.S commandos driving toyota Tacoma trucks in afghanistan. Again I pasted those images when you began arguing aimlessly. Yes, ELITE NATO light recon elements roll around in specially designed vehicles bristling with MG's and with JDAMS only minutes away. The BULK of NATO forces roll around in MRAPs in Nigeria its the other way around. Your average grunt has to roll around in what is effectively a civilian vehicle We do not lack armoured vehicles. Yes you do - because your men have to roll around in soft skinned vehicles. IGIRIGI APC's, Proforce ACV, Up armoured pinguaer trucks, Streit MK3 Streit MK2, Is it just me, or is the citation for this statement missing?
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:23pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
andrewza: Electronic jammers come in different shapes and sizes. It is left for the security services to deploy their jammers how and where they see fit. It was leaked by who exactly? Nigeria has zero drones in services says who? The Gulma which has already entered service or the spy ballon which has and is still been used by troops and police in Mali and the north-east. The bushmaster and the cougar are the world's leading MRAPs. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Troop101: 5:27pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
NaijaPikinGidi:Hey you di@khead and what about the thousand of gallons of oil stolen right under your nose?? Fokk@n rag tag army and policejour nai. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 5:27pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
Henry120: tons of photos of 7div the guys fighting BH on the web. still a AK47, AKM is just a modified 47 i don't think any body uses the old original AK47 any more. It is like comparing a M16A2 to a M16A3. means when you go prone in dirt you slam the top of the mag in to dirt increasing the chances of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYGvmPKUwhc Have you ever spoken to a us infantry solder in real life, i have and brits. Not according to the photos or to what your solders tell the press. True, but you use them for every thing, not just commando work, yes you have Armourd stuff but not in nearly enough numbers. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:33pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
patches689: Get a reputable source, and stop yapping all over the place dude. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:34pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
andrewza: According to Interpol, statistics from south-africa are un-reliable. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:35pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
Henry120: It was leaked by who exactly? Nigeria has zero drones in services says who? The people who sold them to you confirmed that none are operational as you failed to sign support contracts The Gulma which has already entered service or the spy ballon which has and is still been used by troops and police in Mali and the north-east. Yeah and the SANDF has a squadron of flying spagetti monsters The bushmaster and the cougar are the world's leading MRAPs. 1. Bushmaster Number built: 1,072 - flat hull - flat sides - used by 6 nations - number of wars: 3 2. Cougar Number built: 2002 - used by 11 countries - number of wars 2 compared to Casspir Number built: 2500 - entire production run not recorded - used by 20 nations - fought in 8 wars Gee, I wonder which is the best MRAP in the world |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:36pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
Henry120: You have yet to prove how it is unreliable. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:37pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
Henry120: [citation needed] |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 5:40pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
Henry120:Nothing changes: 1 assault rifle and 150 bullets. If a Nigerian soldier gets shot in combat he'll likely die from bleeding. |
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