Msauza:

Aguagust you have a serious problem really, I don't know what will cure you. AndrewZA was just making an innocent comment about SA recce training American Army ranger about bush craft. I don't know what does Nigerian Special forces training with Americans, Indians, etc has to do with that statement. Beside Nigerian Special Forces are still very young, hence they require a lot of experience from the likes of Israel, America et al. SA recces have such a mass experience, that's why the Americans still respect them and regard them as masters of Bush craft. Hopefully, this they received from Bushmen (Khoisans), who are still the core elements of our Army.

Even during aparthied the SADF and the recces more to the point leant a lot from the bushman. No one read spoors like them. There are only a few things I fear and a recc who wants me dead is top of that list.

Did you know that it is easyer to climbe mount everest than complete SA speciol forces training.

agaugust: andrewza, dont waste my time, i dont know the kind of english language they teach you in south african schools. you dont limit the interpretation of various kinds of payload/weapons, it is an open ended statement, google the english meaning. dont wait for every website to write every information about weapons for you like a 3 year old boy.

there are small warhead missiles carried by israeli drones the whole world knows and we all see it fired on TV. i enevr said anti-ship missile, there are small boats on sea that can be quickly hit by a small warhead missile similar to what air drones fire on land vehicles. use your head to think outside a box and dont be locked up in a cage.

please dont waste my time i wont answer baby questions from baby kind of thinking again. sorry no insult intended sir.

Please read carefully. I never said it could not carry a missiel. It could carry AGM sized missiels such has the mokap,helfire,ingwene extra. I said it is a waist on it since a 12.7 can destroy any thing it may encounter.


Do you know how littel 2500kg is. There a pickups that can carry that much.

Twelve of the South African Air Force’s 26 Gripen fighter jets are in long-term storage, according to defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, as the Air Force does not have the funding to fly them.

This emerged yesterday in reply to a parliamentary question posed by the opposition Democratic Alliance party’s Shadow Minister of Defence and Military Veterans David Maynier.

“The South African Air Force (SAAF) has 12 Gripen Fighter Aircraft placed in long-term storage. These aircraft are placed in a storage as a planned activity in line with their utilization and budget expenditure patterns/flow of SAAF,” Mapisa-Nqakula said.

“The Gripen fighter jets are supposed to provide the air combat capability for the South African Air Force (SAAF). However, the Gripen fighter jets are effectively grounded because the operating budget has been stripped to the bone and the SAAF cannot afford to operate the ‘Gripen system’,” Maynier said.

Already in 2010 there was great concern that a lack of money would ground the Gripen. Then-defence minister Lindiwe Sisulu warned that the Gripens could be mothballed if the military failed to get hold of extra funding. The Department of Defence annual report released in 2010 warned that “Combined with the recent funding cuts for the medium-term expenditure framework period, the air force will only be able to sustain the Hawk system.

“Without adequate funding levels being provided, the air force will not be able to meet its mandate in terms of defence or its support of government initiatives in the medium and longer term. The unwanted reality is portions of aircraft fleets may have to be placed in long-term storage, and certain capabilities, units or bases may have to be closed down.”

The lack of money for the Gripens has also affected flying hours and pilot training. In April 2011 then-chief of the Air Force Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano said the Air Force was not going to fly the required number of hours due to a lack of funding and in its 2010/2011 report, the Department of Defence said that due to underfunding, the number of flight hours per Gripen aircrew member was reduced from 224 to 110 per year. At present the SAAF can only muster six qualified Gripen pilots who only have 150 flying hours available across the whole Gripen squadron this year, according to Maynier. The annual target for fighter flying hours was 250 for the 2011/2012 period, according to the Department of Defence’s most recent Annual Report.

Chief of the Air Force Lieutenant General Zakes Msimang when asked about Gripen flying hours earlier this year, said that the Air Force had never failed to deliver what was asked of it. Defence analyst Helmoed-Römer Heitman noted the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) requires fighter pilots to log at least 20 flight hours per month (240 flight hours per year per fighter pilot) to remain qualified.

“One of the biggest scandals of the Arms Deal is that we bought military equipment we could not afford to operate. And there is no better illustration of the point than the Gripen fighter jets in long-term storage,” Maynier said. “It is imperative that the Minister of Defence and Military Veterans, Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, reviews the allocation of the operating funding to the “Gripen system” in the SAAF.”

In 2007 it emerged that the Gripens cost R19.08 billion, up from the original R17.8 billion estimate for both 26 Gripens and 24 Hawks. It is unlikely that the Gripen situation will improve anytime soon, as the defence budget for the 2013/14 financial year stands at R40.2 billion, just R1.8 billion more than the previous year’s. South Africa bought 26 Gripens (17 single-seat Gripen Cs and nine two-seat Gripen Ds) as part of the Strategic Defence Procurement Package (in 2005 reduced to 26), becoming the Gripen’s first export customer. Deliveries concluded in September last year. The Gripens replaced the Cheetah fleet, which was withdrawn four years early due to funding constraints.


http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?224310-A-dozen-SAAF-Gripens-in-long-term-storage

Henry120: Twelve of the South African Air Force’s 26 Gripen fighter jets are in long-term storage, according to defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, as the Air Force does not have the funding to fly them.

This emerged yesterday in reply to a parliamentary question posed by the opposition Democratic Alliance party’s Shadow Minister of Defence and Military Veterans David Maynier.

“The South African Air Force (SAAF) has 12 Gripen Fighter Aircraft placed in long-term storage. These aircraft are placed in a storage as a planned activity in line with their utilization and budget expenditure patterns/flow of SAAF,” Mapisa-Nqakula said.

“The Gripen fighter jets are supposed to provide the air combat capability for the South African Air Force (SAAF). However, the Gripen fighter jets are effectively grounded because the operating budget has been stripped to the bone and the SAAF cannot afford to operate the ‘Gripen system’,” Maynier said.

Already in 2010 there was great concern that a lack of money would ground the Gripen. Then-defence minister Lindiwe Sisulu warned that the Gripens could be mothballed if the military failed to get hold of extra funding. The Department of Defence annual report released in 2010 warned that “Combined with the recent funding cuts for the medium-term expenditure framework period, the air force will only be able to sustain the Hawk system.

“Without adequate funding levels being provided, the air force will not be able to meet its mandate in terms of defence or its support of government initiatives in the medium and longer term. The unwanted reality is portions of aircraft fleets may have to be placed in long-term storage, and certain capabilities, units or bases may have to be closed down.”

The lack of money for the Gripens has also affected flying hours and pilot training. In April 2011 then-chief of the Air Force Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano said the Air Force was not going to fly the required number of hours due to a lack of funding and in its 2010/2011 report, the Department of Defence said that due to underfunding, the number of flight hours per Gripen aircrew member was reduced from 224 to 110 per year. At present the SAAF can only muster six qualified Gripen pilots who only have 150 flying hours available across the whole Gripen squadron this year, according to Maynier. The annual target for fighter flying hours was 250 for the 2011/2012 period, according to the Department of Defence’s most recent Annual Report.

Chief of the Air Force Lieutenant General Zakes Msimang when asked about Gripen flying hours earlier this year, said that the Air Force had never failed to deliver what was asked of it. Defence analyst Helmoed-Römer Heitman noted the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) requires fighter pilots to log at least 20 flight hours per month (240 flight hours per year per fighter pilot) to remain qualified.

“One of the biggest scandals of the Arms Deal is that we bought military equipment we could not afford to operate. And there is no better illustration of the point than the Gripen fighter jets in long-term storage,” Maynier said. “It is imperative that the Minister of Defence and Military Veterans, Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, reviews the allocation of the operating funding to the “Gripen system” in the SAAF.”

In 2007 it emerged that the Gripens cost R19.08 billion, up from the original R17.8 billion estimate for both 26 Gripens and 24 Hawks. It is unlikely that the Gripen situation will improve anytime soon, as the defence budget for the 2013/14 financial year stands at R40.2 billion, just R1.8 billion more than the previous year’s. South Africa bought 26 Gripens (17 single-seat Gripen Cs and nine two-seat Gripen Ds) as part of the Strategic Defence Procurement Package (in 2005 reduced to 26), becoming the Gripen’s first export customer. Deliveries concluded in September last year. The Gripens replaced the Cheetah fleet, which was withdrawn four years early due to funding constraints.


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You slow man. I mentioned it all ready.


Firstly 12 in storage where all ways there. It saves money. We have no need to keep them all operationl. Even if we had the money I doubt we would have made more operational

And there are more than 6 pilots.
Just only 6 who have finshed the course. It takes years to qualfie on a aircraft in the SAAF

And the final budget was 44.6 billion.

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1)South Africa should consider selling those 12 Gripens to countries like Philippines, Thailand (w/c already operates Gripens), and eastern European countries. First Gripen delivered in April 2008 and from other sources it's saying they only have 6 pilots and can't afford to give them the necessary flying hours to maintain their competencies. Translation, those Gripens are barely used.




2)The SA Army faces block obsolessence of their armour, IFVs and logistics vehicles with no sign of recapitalisation. The SAAF medium transport fleet is disappearing and there are no replacements for the MPA and IFR capabilities. The Navy needs funds to revive their MCM capability and to expand their OPV fleet. In short, the SANDF is starved for funds and it is unlikely they will get it. Watch a once proud defence force wither and die.




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The hilarious thing about this is that the bribe investigation is coming apart at the same time, they can't decide if bribes were involved and they can't fly the jets.. Talk about a waste...

SAADF have become a shade of what they were .............
I know what you mean, and I fully agree. Many have said that at its peak, the SADF was one of the most potent fighting forces in the world, and the strongest military force in Africa by a long shot. How things have changed... Some for the better (the fall of apartheid) and a lot more for worse. (crime, unemployment, state of civil and military services, etc.)

The SAAF appears to be in a pretty dire way.




What a sad state of affairs.

The SAAF/SANDF is a mere shadow now of what it was pre 1994.

Originally Posted by Cpl Kat
What a sad state of affairs.

The SAAF/SANDF is a mere shadow now of what it was pre 1994.



The South Africa Gripen deal was controversial at it's time and still is. 26 planes is a lot when other countries only bought 6-12. In general terms there is an unwillingness to pay for military equipment today

My dear fellow friends, today I drove down to DITSONG ( SA national museum of war history) in Johannesburg to enquire about the possibility of any country procuring arms secretly. I met one curator, who is a veteran colonel and pose this question to him and his response was unbelievable. He rubbished all this claims and said that all Arms manufacturing companies are by law and now the recent UN arms trade treaty prohibited from engaging in concealed deals. Every transactions require to be recorded for statistics purposes. This trend is crucial so to discourage trade of arms falling in the hands of organised crime or rebels or selling of weapons to countries classified as the red area by the UN. So there is nothing called secret arms deal, every trade has to be recorded, so that in future it should be known which and which country or corporation utilises a particular weapon. For example thales (foreign Arms manufacturers) which are on the database of SANDF has to record all their arms trade with SA and where possible reflect it on their media.

So Aguagust claims that Nigeria bought this and that secretly in relation to this above statement hold no water.

andrewza:





You slow man. I mentioned it all ready.


Firstly 12 in storage where all ways there. It saves money. We have no need to keep them all operationl. Even if we had the money I doubt we would have made more operational

And there are more than 6 pilots.
Just only 6 who have finshed the course. It takes years to qualfie on a aircraft in the SAAF

And the final budget was 44.6 billion.

If you mentioned it earlier, what a pity then, I missed it. You only have 6 pilots

andrewza:





You slow man. I mentioned it all ready.


Firstly 12 in storage where all ways there. It saves money. We have no need to keep them all operationl. Even if we had the money I doubt we would have made more operational

And there are more than 6 pilots.
Just only 6 who have finshed the course. It takes years to qualfie on a aircraft in the SAAF

And the final budget was 44.6 billion.

If you mentioned it earlier, what a pity then, I missed it. You only have 6 pilots

So Aguagust claims that Nigeria bought this and that secretly in relation to this above statement hold no water. [/quote]

It does hold a lot of water. We have seen many APC's, with concrete prove on this thread not registered anywhere in the un register, SIPRI or IISS

Now Msauaza, @syndergp and @andrewza tell me about the 6 pilots SA has?;DD

The 6 pilots you want to rule african skies with?

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1)South Africa should consider selling those 12 Gripens to countries like Philippines, Thailand (w/c already operates Gripens), and eastern European countries. First Gripen delivered in April 2008 and from other sources it's saying they only have 6 pilots and can't afford to give them the necessary flying hours to maintain their competencies. Translation, those Gripens are barely used.




2)The SA Army faces block obsolessence of their armour, IFVs and logistics vehicles with no sign of recapitalisation. The SAAF medium transport fleet is disappearing and there are no replacements for the MPA and IFR capabilities. The Navy needs funds to revive their MCM capability and to expand their OPV fleet. In short, the SANDF is starved for funds and it is unlikely they will get it. Watch a once proud defence force wither and die.




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The hilarious thing about this is that the bribe investigation is coming apart at the same time, they can't decide if bribes were involved and they can't fly the jets.. Talk about a waste...

SAADF have become a shade of what they were .............
I know what you mean, and I fully agree. Many have said that at its peak, the SADF was one of the most potent fighting forces in the world, and the strongest military force in Africa by a long shot. How things have changed... Some for the better (the fall of apartheid) and a lot more for worse. (crime, unemployment, state of civil and military services, etc.)

The SAAF appears to be in a pretty dire way.




What a sad state of affairs.

The SAAF/SANDF is a mere shadow now of what it was pre 1994.

Originally Posted by Cpl Kat
What a sad state of affairs.

The SAAF/SANDF is a mere shadow now of what it was pre 1994.



The South Africa Gripen deal was controversial at it's time and still is. 26 planes is a lot when other countries only bought 6-12. In general terms there is an unwillingness to pay for military equipment today

What the point of reading reports from peole who know nothing about SAAF or SANDF

http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5911


We have more than 6 pilots

8 pilots where sent to sweden for wargames last year.

6 pilots?? What the fvck is syndergp doing in SAAF, are you cleaning toilets there?

Henry120:

So Aguagust claims that Nigeria bought this and that secretly in relation to this above statement hold no water.

It does hold a lot of water. We have seen many APC's, with concrete prove on this thread not registered anywhere in the un register, SIPRI or IISS

Now Msauaza, @syndergp and @andrewza tell me about the 6 pilots SA has?;DD

The 6 pilots you want to rule african skies with?

I want Aguagust response on that. Nigeria is a country and not rebels. Rebels are the ones who procure arms secretly. A democratic country as Nigeria cannot.

Henry120: 6 pilots?? What the fvck is syndergp doing in SAAF, are you cleaning toilets there?

South Africans were laughing at Nigerian F-7 jets that we maintain, dis-assemble and re-assemble locally in Nigeria anytime we want. South African super Grippen jets are now grounded. Lol They went to market to buy meat when they have no teeth to chew it.

Msauza: My dear fellow friends, today I drove down to DITSONG ( SA national museum of war history) in Johannesburg to enquire about the possibility of any country procuring arms secretly. I met one curator, who is a veteran colonel and pose this question to him and his response was unbelievable. He rubbished all this claims and said that all Arms manufacturing companies are by law and now the recent UN arms trade treaty prohibited in engaging in concealed deals. Every transactions require to be recorded for statistics purposes. This trend is crucial so to discourage trade of arms falling in the hands of organised crime or rebels or selling of weapons to countries classified as the red area by the UN. So there is nothing called secret arms deal, every trade has to be recorded, so that in future it should be known which and which country or corporation utilises a particular weapon. For example thales (foreign Arms manufacturers) which are on the database of SANDF has to record all their arms trade with SA and where possible reflect it on their media.

So Aguagust claims that Nigeria bought this and that secretly in relation to this above statement hold no water.

i strongly and whole heartedly belive you for the sake of peace.
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but please i would also like you to ask him why all the weapons nigerian armed forces have been parading on state tv,during drills and armed forces day have seldom reflected in military inventory? I have seen the budget, i have seen the payment, i have seen the weapons, bt why is it not in the INVENTORY ? Thank you, i am expecting answers

Henry120: 6 pilots?? What the fvck is syndergp doing in SAAF, are you cleaning toilets there?:-\

let there be peace

agaugust: andrewza, dont waste my time, i dont know the kind of english language they teach you in south african schools. you dont limit the interpretation of various kinds of payload/weapons, it is an open ended statement, google the english meaning. dont wait for every website to write every information about weapons for you like a 3 year old boy. same way you agrue about american navy stealth warships with various types of changeable payload weapons modules, you just never learn and improve your thinking skills.

the whole worlds of science and technology cannot be limited to what andrewza thinks or knows.

i never said all nigerian navy vessels carry missiles, but many do. did i say defender class boat carries missile ? dont misquote me and dont put words in my mouth, i am not here on trial in a court of law. i am just doing the little my time will allow. i am not here to write a full text book of weapons.

there are small warhead missiles carried by israeli drones the whole world knows and we all see it fired on TV. i never said anti-ship missile, there are small boats on sea that can be quickly hit by a small warhead missile similar to what air drones fire on land vehicles. use your head to think outside the box and dont be locked up in a cage. the nigerian sea drone carries 2,500kg of payload and itself weighs 6,000kg so you think that is small ?

please dont waste my time i wont answer baby questions from baby kind of thinking again. sorry no insult intended sir.

What's your problem with all the over exaggerated claims you continuesly make when you try to make a point and when you loose you try to belittle people. I've noticed that this a a distinct personality treat of you.

Now let me start with your claim on the Seastar USV
1) The seastar has a 300nautical mile radios (you said it can cover the entire 800km nigerian coastline). Lies
2)The seastar has a 10hr holding time (you said it can be operational for up to 14hrs) another lie
3)The 2500kg payload is for sensors, surveillance systems (you said it can carry anti ship missiles) Your a funny GUY
http://www.aeronautics-sys.com/seastar_unmanned_surface_vechile_usv

The Seastar from the what I've seen from the manfacturers and operators specifications specify are to small for missile systems integration Now who should we trust you or the Isreali's who manufactured the USV

Now have you ever been on a naval ship do you know anything about arms(don't tell me about your socalled military consultancy job) its been proven you "lie" a lot.

Reading properly and educating oneself has never been a crime I would strongly advise you to do likewise. You may write better then a few others on this forum but the knowledge you display proves you are less competent.

andrewza:





What the point of reading reports from peole who know nothing about SAAF or SANDF

http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5911


We have more than 6 pilots

8 pilots where sent to sweden for wargames last year.

SA Needs to invest more in that area, if that is true! well i pray the SA AIRFORCE BOAST UP THEIR pilot number because it will be and unfair fight we actualy Staged a nigeria-SA WAR SIMULATION/GAME WERE NIGERIA attacked with hundreds of isreali and Uk trained military pilots. Come to think of it i hear we now have female pilots in our Air squadrons!

This is a threat of wonder indeed, where everyone can make unfounded claims about how his country managed to procure big nuclear warheads, how they succeeded in grabbing hold of this invincible gunship that cannot be down by anyone and how powerful their armies are to extend that they cannot be killed by an ordinary gunfire. Bwahahaha, this is unbelievable. Did we ever ask ourselves if we somehow are not locked into world of fantasy.

Capnd143: i strongly and whole heartedly belive you for the sake of peace.
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but please i would also like you to ask him why all the weapons nigerian armed forces have been parading on state tv,during drills and armed forces day have seldom reflected in military inventory? I have seen the budget, i have seen the payment, i have seen the weapons, bt why is it not in the INVENTORY ? Thank you, i am expecting answers

The actual deal will have to be published. The inventory is not a problem as that depend on how often do they update their records.

Henry120: Twelve of the South African Air Force’s 26 Gripen fighter jets are in long-term storage, according to defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, as the Air Force does not have the funding to fly them.

This emerged yesterday in reply to a parliamentary question posed by the opposition Democratic Alliance party’s Shadow Minister of Defence and Military Veterans David Maynier.

“The South African Air Force (SAAF) has 12 Gripen Fighter Aircraft placed in long-term storage. These aircraft are placed in a storage as a planned activity in line with their utilization and budget expenditure patterns/flow of SAAF,” Mapisa-Nqakula said.

“The Gripen fighter jets are supposed to provide the air combat capability for the South African Air Force (SAAF). However, the Gripen fighter jets are effectively grounded because the operating budget has been stripped to the bone and the SAAF cannot afford to operate the ‘Gripen system’,” Maynier said.

Already in 2010 there was great concern that a lack of money would ground the Gripen. Then-defence minister Lindiwe Sisulu warned that the Gripens could be mothballed if the military failed to get hold of extra funding. The Department of Defence annual report released in 2010 warned that “Combined with the recent funding cuts for the medium-term expenditure framework period, the air force will only be able to sustain the Hawk system.

“Without adequate funding levels being provided, the air force will not be able to meet its mandate in terms of defence or its support of government initiatives in the medium and longer term. The unwanted reality is portions of aircraft fleets may have to be placed in long-term storage, and certain capabilities, units or bases may have to be closed down.”

The lack of money for the Gripens has also affected flying hours and pilot training. In April 2011 then-chief of the Air Force Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano said the Air Force was not going to fly the required number of hours due to a lack of funding and in its 2010/2011 report, the Department of Defence said that due to underfunding, the number of flight hours per Gripen aircrew member was reduced from 224 to 110 per year. At present the SAAF can only muster six qualified Gripen pilots who only have 150 flying hours available across the whole Gripen squadron this year, according to Maynier. The annual target for fighter flying hours was 250 for the 2011/2012 period, according to the Department of Defence’s most recent Annual Report.

Chief of the Air Force Lieutenant General Zakes Msimang when asked about Gripen flying hours earlier this year, said that the Air Force had never failed to deliver what was asked of it. Defence analyst Helmoed-Römer Heitman noted the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) requires fighter pilots to log at least 20 flight hours per month (240 flight hours per year per fighter pilot) to remain qualified.

“One of the biggest scandals of the Arms Deal is that we bought military equipment we could not afford to operate. And there is no better illustration of the point than the Gripen fighter jets in long-term storage,” Maynier said. “It is imperative that the Minister of Defence and Military Veterans, Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, reviews the allocation of the operating funding to the “Gripen system” in the SAAF.”

In 2007 it emerged that the Gripens cost R19.08 billion, up from the original R17.8 billion estimate for both 26 Gripens and 24 Hawks. It is unlikely that the Gripen situation will improve anytime soon, as the defence budget for the 2013/14 financial year stands at R40.2 billion, just R1.8 billion more than the previous year’s. South Africa bought 26 Gripens (17 single-seat Gripen Cs and nine two-seat Gripen Ds) as part of the Strategic Defence Procurement Package (in 2005 reduced to 26), becoming the Gripen’s first export customer. Deliveries concluded in September last year. The Gripens replaced the Cheetah fleet, which was withdrawn four years early due to funding constraints.


http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?224310-A-dozen-SAAF-Gripens-in-long-term-storage

Do you know who the DA's Maynier is do you know what he said about the SAS subs which were supposed to have been damaged beyond repair, and yet 6 days later the same SAS-submarine were involved in a German naval exercise.

I can come here and post the same articles about what nigerias position leaders say about our economy and north.

Is it the same David Maynier who wanted SANDF to decrease to a standby force only, because as he said SA has no enemies so there's no reason for a army.

Is it the same David who said in parliament that SA should withdraw all its troops from peacekeeping missions on the continent and use that money for poverty relieve.

Please if you wanna convince people here quote someone who is currently serving in the SANDF or a credible analyst not a former disgruntled SADF leader or a British puppet position DA. Just for interest sake Lindiwe Sisulu has been removed from defense ministry long ago

My dear fellow friends, today I drove down to DITSONG ( SA national museum of war history) in Johannesburg to enquire about the possibility of any country procuring arms secretly. I met one curator, who is a veteran colonel and pose this question to him and his response was unbelievable. He rubbished all this claims and said that all Arms manufacturing companies are by law and now the recent UN arms trade treaty prohibited in engaging in concealed deals. Every transactions require to be recorded for statistics purposes. This trend is crucial so to discourage trade of arms falling in the hands of organised crime or rebels or selling of weapons to countries classified as the red area by the UN. So there is nothing called secret arms deal, every trade has to be recorded, so that in future it should be known which and which country or corporation utilises a particular weapon. For example thales (foreign Arms manufacturers) which are on the database of SANDF has to record all their arms trade with SA and where possible reflect it on their media.

So Aguagust claims that Nigeria bought this and that secretly in relation to this above statement hold no water

By the way I had such a wonderful expedition at DITSONG (SA military museum on war history), indeed I never knew we had such a facility in SA. If you reside in Gauteng, JHB or Pretoria, I would recommend you to visit this fine place. They have every info available about all the wars that SA fought in the past and I never even knew that South Africa has such a vast war experience, while others on this threat claimed that SA never engaged in any war. I could never even believe when I was told that SA fought in WW1 and WW2, Cold war, Korea war, etc.

Henry120: 6 pilots?? What the fvck is syndergp doing in SAAF, are you cleaning toilets there?

Now I wish snydergp can just come and defend himself but as a ZAR's defendant I would like to bring the socalled 6pilot story kak(sh*t) into perspective.

Now tell me how can there be only six pilots as that foolish DA leader reported when he failed to look at the numbers at last years operation Lion Exercise in Sweden where there were over 8 Gripen pilots which included 40 support staff.

Can you @Henry also tell me how can there be 6 pilots when there are over 2600 reserve SAAF pilots.
http://www.janes.com/events/exhibitions/africa-aerospace-defense-2012/news/sept-19/South-Africa-Air-Force-takes-part-in-Lion-Effort.aspx

To second this report
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defencewed/home/item_id-24676/

Now there's the answer to your dum post so u can either take SAAF's, defenceweb or janes weekly word its your choice but I guess you will stick to that fool Maynier who has never sat foot in a airforce base. I will also post some of his contradictory remarks with regards to the number of flying hours from the SAAF's pilots log later.

Msauza:

The actual deal will have to be published. The inventory is not a problem as that depend on how often do they update their records.

Like I had previously told you, on this thread we( nigerians) have unearthed military hardware not registered anywhere( un register, IISS, SIPRI or janes defence weekly) before today, complete with photos and links to prove.

DictatorZAR:

Now I wish snydergp can just come and defend himself but as a ZAR's defendant I would like to bring the socalled 6pilot story kak(sh*t) into perspective.

Now tell me how can there be only six pilots as that foolish DA leader reported when he failed to look at the numbers at last years operation Lion Exercise in Sweden where there were over 8 Gripen pilots which included 40 support staff.

Can you @Henry also tell me how can there be 6 pilots when there are over 2600 reserve SAAF pilots.
http://www.janes.com/events/exhibitions/africa-aerospace-defense-2012/news/sept-19/South-Africa-Air-Force-takes-part-in-Lion-Effort.aspx

To second this report
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defencewed/home/item_id-24676/

Now there's the answer to your dum post so u can either take SAAF's, defenceweb or janes weekly word its your choice but I guess you will stick to that fool Maynier who has never sat foot in a airforce base. I will also post some of his contradictory remarks with regards to the number of flying hours from the SAAF's pilots log later.

please you guys should regulate what you oh! This thread "who has the strongest military in Africa" is currently being analized by american bloggers, the are taking what we say for the analysis, i just used some google magic wild cards search , and i found this

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DictatorZAR:

Do you know who the DA's Maynier is do you know what he said about the SAS subs which were supposed to have been damaged beyond repair, and yet 6 days later the same SAS-submarine were involved in a German naval exercise.

I can come here and post the same articles about what nigerias position leaders say about our economy and north.

Is it the same David Maynier who wanted SANDF to decrease to a standby force only, because as he said SA has no enemies so there's no reason for a army.

Is it the same David who said in parliament that SA should withdraw all its troops from peacekeeping missions on the continent and use that money for poverty relieve.

Please if you wanna convince people here quote someone who is currently serving in the SANDF or a credible analyst not a former disgruntled SADF leader or a British puppet position DA. Just for interest sake Lindiwe Sisulu has been removed from defense ministry long ago

Listen, the credibility of the report is not in doubt.

However it is possible that the guy( david maynier) may have exaggerated many of his claims, I don't know, neither do I know whether or not he is an opposition politician. I do not follow SA politics.

What is DA?

I'm just going to look at it rationally and objectively. However, let me add this. if this were a nigerian report, you south africans would have made mockery of us, without even looking at it objectively.

Henry120:

Listen, the credibility of the report is not in doubt.

However it is possible that the guy( david maynier) may have exaggerated many of his claims, I don't know, neither do I know whether or not he is an opposition politician. I do not follow SA politics.

What is DA?

I'm just going to look at it rationally and objectively. However, let me add this. if this were a nigerian report, you south africans would have made mockery of us, without even looking at it objectively.

DA is the Democratic Alliance which is the second biggest party in SA, and is a alliance of a former apartheid governing party the NNP. It is headed by a old fart called Hellen Zille.

David Maynier is the DA's shadow defense minister, with no experience in any defense related matters.

Lastly the same Maynier was asked some time ago in parliament in a defense portfolio meeting with the SANDF's Chief of staff whether he has ever filled a sandbag sat in a APV in his life and he couldn't even answer, so he was told to shut up, by the general and leave defense matters to soldiers.

Capnd143: please you guys should regulate what you oh! This thread "who has the strongest military in Africa" is currently being analized by american bloggers, the are taking what we say for the analysis, i just used some google magic wild cards search , and i found this

http://omgili.com/thread/jHIAmI4hxg8O2EeSt_m8cn84Egk1_xac9vNK5RZeJ1m5EqCfrfNBCDIJWJI388goZgQclvQJPT4S51C3nw9n_bkR5PUVsAi2/

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WTF!

DictatorZAR:

Now I wish snydergp can just come and defend himself but as a ZAR's defendant I would like to bring the socalled 6pilot story kak(sh*t) into perspective.

Now tell me how can there be only six pilots as that foolish DA leader reported when he failed to look at the numbers at last years operation Lion Exercise in Sweden where there were over 8 Gripen pilots which included 40 support staff.

Can you @Henry also tell me how can there be 6 pilots when there are over 2600 reserve SAAF pilots.
http://www.janes.com/events/exhibitions/africa-aerospace-defense-2012/news/sept-19/South-Africa-Air-Force-takes-part-in-Lion-Effort.aspx

To second this report
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defencewed/home/item_id-24676/

Now there's the answer to your dum post so u can either take SAAF's, defenceweb or janes weekly word its your choice but I guess you will stick to that fool Maynier who has never sat foot in a airforce base. I will also post some of his contradictory remarks with regards to the number of flying hours from the SAAF's pilots log later.

It is impossible to have 6 pilots for 26 gripen's/ airforce, everybody knows that. My question is however, why did defenceweb.co.za go ahead to publish the report knowing that the guy(david) was propagating falsehood?

12 gripens are totally grounded for lack of funds, why did SAAF go ahead to purchase 26, when they knew that the jets have exorbitant maintenance demands, knowing they did not have the money?

Henry120:

Like I had previously told you, on this thread we( nigerians) have unearthed military hardware not registered anywhere( un register, IISS, SIPRI or janes defence weekly) before today, complete with photos and links to prove.

Not all, some where taken from other nations such as Israel and paraded as though Nigeria have bought them, especially those pasted by Aguagust. If you don't have something don't come to claim that you have. Tomorrow I will again visit the museum when I have time to confirm some few things that Aguagust wrote about Nigerian Army.

Henry120:

It is impossible to have 6 pilots for 26 gripen's/ airforce, everybody knows that. My question is however, why did defenceweb.co.za go ahead to publish the report knowing that the guy(david) was propagating falsehood?

12 gripens are totally grounded for lack of funds, why did SAAF go ahead to purchase 26, when they knew that the jets have exorbitant maintenance demands, knowing they did not have the money?

Those are just the rubbish claims, About 91 pilots majority of whom were white resigned in SAAF citing limited career opportunities and still there were more than 30 who were retained. Currently there is supposed to be about 123 pilots who graduated already from their flight training in Laangebaan. This you can google if there is a need.

Msauza:

Not all, some where taken from other nations such as Israel and paraded as though Nigeria have bought them, especially those pasted by Aguagust. If you don't have something don't come to claim that you have. Tomorrow I will again visit the museum when I have time to confirm some few things that Aguagust wrote about Nigerian Army.

I can say for myself, I'd allow my compatriot aguagust defend himself. I have no pasted any defence material which is not nigerian. I provided photos , and web links to prove my claim beyond all doubt.