Msauza: South African police is more effective than your Nigerian police. We stop public disturbance and threats to peace effectively as you can see in the pictures below

patriot4: Andrewza, I think you are wrong again:
Angolan armed forces is 87000 strong.
And their military budget is 1.8 billion dollars.
Did you do this on purpose ?
Quit the lie my friend.

agaugust: .


[size=16pt]you call this an effective police ? south african police K.illed innocent civilians asking for better salary at work as citizens, and you say you are better than nigeria ?


your wicked and brutally inhuman south african police wasted civilian lives like chickens turning young women to widows and little children to fatherless ![/size]


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patriot4: "Army: 70 000 (+ 30 000 in reserve)
Air Force: 6 000
Navy: 1 000
Paramilitary: 10 000 Rapid Reaction Police
Total: 87 000 (+ 30 000 reserve)"
This comes from defence web, so you couldn't have ignored it, so you lie on purpose.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29331&Itemid=255

agaugust:



Rules of war are NOT always followed. Israel breaks rules of war regularly in Palentine and kills innocent civilians to protect Israeli national interest and United Nations did nothing about it.

America breaks rules of war regularly in Iraq and Afghanistan and the whole world does not stop them because we all know they killed innocent civilians not intentionally but in national interest of America.

Nothing new in civilian deaths during military action except you live in a bush village and you don't read the news or watch Tv.


The more you south Africans talk, the more you sound like half brains . Lol

all4naija:



Nonsense! Something which is not in drawing-board is what you are trying to flaunt here as SA military achievement. Please, get your sh*t out of my face!

zaandrew:

Inocent civlians don't charg at poliece lines with macheties and spears, hack cops up, fire at cops with stolen fire arms, take muitie that they think will stop bulliets.

Msauza: South African police is more effective than your Nigerian police. We stop public disturbance and threats to peace effectively as you can see in the pictures below

agaugust:




the whole world complained about the murder of over 100 workers at the industry dispute, not all the miners were armed innocent people died from south African police brutality.

your police had a choice to stay protected in those armoured vehicles safely and use tear gas or smoke or rubber bullets to weaken the miners, NOT shoot them against international law !


the whole world condemned south African police for the killing and south African public cried out for justice but no justice came for the innocent K.illed by your unprofessional police.


the policemen fired first at the miners/workers and K.llied poor hungry civilians, then the workers had to defend themselves but south African M.urderer police continued to spray them with live bullets !


International and domestic outcry and condemnation of tour police mass M.urder of the miners is all over world news and free internet google is your friend....and @msauza was boasting about that K.illing !

zaandrew:

If I was there I would have fired to. If a large crowed of armed, high aggrisve people is charging towards you what would you do.

all4naija: [i]This is what I fairly understand about Nigerian justice system for committing petty crimes.

I will try to answer your questions accordingly and as follows:

1. Common assault like slapping depends on how it is committed and on what condition. If it's reported as assault then it must be treated as such. I believe the same applies to SA.

2. Passing out water in public places used to be a serious crime in the past(during the Operation Clean the Nation - which I read somewhere in the past)and huge fee were paid by anybody who breaks the law. At present, it is said to depend on the public place and how open it is. Maybe SA is way strict in this area than Nigeria with the provision of many street-level restaurants and eateries providing access to the public.

3. When has public drinking becomes a crime at all in a free world? The inability to control your self of what you consume would make you liable to committing crime when drunk. So a drunk who goes of his way is taunted and can be arrested as well by the police. I don't know any about SA on drinking. I can say most Nigerians are relatively controllable under the influence of alcohol.

4. The Nigerian society is still far from developed as in developed nation so people are used to carrying sharp objects around, even, in the cities. The local Fulanis carry sharp knives called dagger tied around their necks. When used it is culpable or punishable as such.

5. Stock theft is highly taken serious in Nigeria. One might lose his or her life for stealing something as petty as fish,tomatoes, shoes or glasses. There is sentence for it in the Nigerian legal system, I guess.

6. On advanced fraud, that is gravely culpable. The reason why we have EFCC implemented to look into it with serious detailing of information provided. It is a huge crime in Nigeria. 419 has crippled activities like Cybercafes, Computer centers, telephone call shops many folded due to the fear of been caught and brought to book. And, has given bad image to the nation as well.

On the final note, these activities are subjective and it is not so much different from what I think is happening in SA.

agaugust:


@andrewza did sleep throughout your so called military training? or you were recruited to Navy because of manpower shortage ?

I would stay safe in my armoured vehicle and call for heavy reinforcements, more armored vehicles, more water cannons or smoke, and helicopters with same devices. South Africa has too many thousands of police men thousand times more than the demonstrating workers, you were just unprofessional and wanted to drink B.lood of civilians...the south African police fired first and told lies against the civilians.

No justice against the policemen because the prosecutors themselves are police officers.

Almost all south Africans blamed the police and said ANC is returning your country to same crimes of Apartheid government that you white men did to the black men.

This news is all over the world and free internet, so don't start another propaganda lies here we know you sell lies as if it's fried chicken and chips.

agaugust: . I am so dumb, because aspects that I could not see in Marikana case are, inter alia, as follows below.

1. Prior the actual incident, two police officers and security guards were hacked to death by Marikana miners while trying to intervene.

2. Carrying of blunt object in public and illegal gathering is a crime in South Africa.

3. The miners charged at police, reportedly under the impression that they were invincible from a traditional ritual that they performed hours before.

4. The victims were all men who killed carrying weapons, unlike in Nigeria were children and women were among the victims and worst of it all were carrying nothing.

5. Atleast in SA, the commission was established by the president to investigate what really happened that situation ended in tragedy and who's at fault, the police or the miners. This is not the case in Nigeria, families of the victims will just have to live with it without any compensation or knowing as to what really happened that their beloved ended up dead.


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agaugust: "South African Police are facing pressure on a related front. The Independent Police Investigative Directorate, a government watchdog, said it had received nearly 200 complaints from the arrested miners who said they had been assaulted and abused while in custody.

Members of the government's Human Rights Commission questioned if prosecutors knew the law."

'It seems unthinkable that South Africa now with this fantastic new democracy and Bill of Rights, that the agents of the state are relying the remnants of apartheid brutality,' said Andrea Durbach, associate professor at Australia's University of New South Wales. "

weblink source : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2196358/Marikana-strike-Police-gun-striking-South-African-miners-killing-30-leaving-scores-wounded.html#ixzz2RSyR53ff
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"South Africa's president, Jacob Zuma, condemned the killings ...."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/16/south-african-police-shoot-striking-miners

south african white policemen were still kicking dead bodies of black civilian miners in the photo below, and S.tupid south african black policemen wer watching it like a movie ! is this the law ?

Msauza:

It does not matter to me if whites kill blacks in South Africa, the sad truth is that we blacks are the inferior race and colour

agaugust:

south african white policemen were still kicking dead bodies of black civilian miners in the photo below, and S.tupid south african black policemen were watching it like a movie ! is this the law ?

Msauza:

It does not matter to me if whites kill blacks in South Africa, the sad truth is that we blacks are the inferior race and colour

Msauza: [/i]

There is a great sense of underlying uncertainty in your response. It is apparent that you are unsure about how each situation is handled in Nigeria. I have articulated and have made a submission that at university as students we have conducted an extensive research about how each situation is handled in developed nations vs developing economies. In Africa we have purposefully chosen countries whose economies were promising and our choice as well were largely based upon the fact that we had students from various countries we have randomly chosen.

In Sub-Saharan Africa, most particular the west Africa our choice was Ghana and Nigeria because of the large numbers of students studying law in SA from those countries. In the North, we have preferred Egypt and Algeria, some Central and Southern African countries were among our choice. First and for all, first things first, we had to acquire constitutions of those countries and conduct our research.

In those countries, in particular Nigeria, Ghana, Kenya, Uganda we have found out that petty crimes are not properly documented. I have seen you have said that public drinking in Nigeria is dependent upon the factor of self-restraint after drinking. Public drinking on its own is a crime, it doesn't matter you are able to handle yourself responsibly or not.

Stock theft in Nigeria, ie, stealing of livestock, ends up in traditional courts and misses out to be properly documented and recorded with international crime statistics. Passing of water in public in Nigeria is overlooked as crime and police can thus peacefully pass you while you are easing yourself in public places. Paying of advance fee used not to be treated as crime in Nigeria and officials at airports accepted it with a smile in their faces without any guilty conscience. The list is endless.

zaandrew:

Did you for get the part where they used thos less lethal sytems. And the rioters ignored them. So you would hide in a armourd car and let the rioters free. You do know that the mine was a long way away from any major city. The nearst help was the army and they don't do less lethal. Your response here shows you not in touch with reality.


Proscutors are not cops. Where do you come up with that lie.

No the media blams the police and ANC. If they had asked the people down by me(most of whom are black) they would have been told the miners where stupid. And they where.

saengine: Display at Air Show


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXgeQ-H38u0

all4naija: Doesn't this just affirmed what we have been saying? SA is known for showing off well polished military hardware. CAR incidence put a big hole in your military prowess recently.