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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:31pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
mzilakazi: Your claim is so silly....so prove it ! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:33pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
mzilakazi: There are thousands of South African army men in service that never fought during bush war despite being in the force at that time, administrative staff are among such troops who sit at home, or you can prove that you deployed SADF accountants to COIN special combat operations 1,000 km away from home to fight Cuba? Liar ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 5:41pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
agaugust: Dude I don't disagree with that, but there are as well thousands of personnel who fought in the bush war who are still within the ranks of SANDF including ANC former MK generals. Many of them took part the bush war while they were still youngsters with some as young as 17 years of age. The bushwar was brought to end in 1991. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:53pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
mzilakazi: Show me proof of old SADF Bush war COIN experts currently in SANDF service today.....simple question, answer with proof . 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 6:02pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
agaugust: Since when are sergeant majors administrators? Surely you can see that with those ranks during the bush war era they were still either non-leader group or junior leaders and that will make them to take front ranks and be actively involved in the war. I have lost count of how many people I met in the force who took part in the bush war, both former MK members and former SADF members, the former enemies brushing shoulders together as now comrades in arms. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:15pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
mzilakazi: I need proof that those men in those photos fought COIN war operations in Angola. Any dummy can wear SANDF uniform, even white-men recruited 20 years ago after Bush war ended, will still appear in uniform despite never having fired a rifle in combat all their lives. Prove to us that Eben Barlow's battlefield war veteran colleagues are still in SANDF today. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by jl115: 6:15pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
agaugust:Dude I never said we had a more powerful defence force, I said we have a more modern defence force, go read my and your original posts regarding this topic. Also they only have 5 air to air refuelling tankers not 6. 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by jl115: 6:16pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
iblawi:I said more modern not more powerful. 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iblawi(m): 6:24pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
jl115:Please what makes your military the most modern in this continent. I know your airforce is full of transport and training craft with only 25 fighters and 12 attack helicopters many of which are in long term storage. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by jl115: 6:36pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
agaugust:1. Exactly my point idi0t!! you keep bringing up the fact that our Valours have 0 torpedos, when we also have 0 Submarine threats. 2."13 Exocet missiles for 32 exocet launchers?" WTF are you talking about dude?- Neither do you - We manufactured everything but the engine and drive train on our tanks, everything else we manufactured and still maintain by us alone - We built almost all of the Hawk jets in SA, so again you don't know what your talking about - Denel Aviation build spares for ALL our Oryx and Rooivalk helicopters - Denel Aviation also builds spares and maintains all our C-130s- Southern African Shipyards just did a major refit on one of our Valours, they also maintain all of our other Valours - We also refitted SAS Manthatisi and maintain the rest of our Subs by our selves- We don't have to import any missiles, we build our own. See how foolish YOUR arguments are mate! 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by jl115: 6:40pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
iblawi:Its 26 Gripens and 24 Hawks mate, and 0 are in long term storage, anyway I said more modern I didn't say we have a larger Airforce, thus number of units is irrelevant! 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iblawi(m): 6:54pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
jl115:sorry pls I'm only trying to know the things that makes it modern pls help me. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by jl115: 7:47pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
iblawi:Our Helicopters are more modern, our Radar coverage and Air defence is more modern, Our medium lift aircraft are more modern: Pic 1 : Oryx cockpit Pic 2 : SAAF C-130BZ Cockpit Pic 3 : SAAF PC-7 trainer Pic 4 : SAAF Hawk 120 LIFT Cockpit P.S then we still have our A109s, our Gripens , Cessna 208Bs, PC-12, Beech Craft king air which have all modern/have been modernised! 3 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iblawi(m): 7:56pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
jl115:have u seen the su30 cockpit or even that of mi28 or MiG 29 try check them out b4 you make judgement. Pls check Der radar coverage too. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by jl115: 8:23pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
iblawi:Have you seen our Gripen cockpit, Rooivalk cockpit or even our retired Cheetah C cockpit? Algeria doesn't even operate the Mi 28 yet so thus your argument is irrelevant in this regard, also The Mig 29SMT which Algeria operates looks no more modern than our retired cheetah Cs 1, Mig 29SMT 2. Cheetah C And yes we have way way way better radar coverage, google is your friend if you don't believe me! 3 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 9:59pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
jl115: Algeria is flying the latest versions of Super Lynx ASW, latest Yak-130 trainer jet, latest Su-30 MKA, Mi-28 Havoc, driving latest T-90 tanks in hundreds of numbers, latest Kornet ATGM, latest mobile Pantsir air defense missile plus cannon that have anti-missile capabilities, modern S-300 long range anti-aircraft missile systems, sailing or about to sail latest Meko frigate with latest Oto melara main gun, latest Kilo Sybmarines, latest Exocet missiles with extended range, latest Tiger corvettes, latest armed landing ship mini helicopter carrier.... South Africa is far far far behind Algeria, please drop the foolish comparison. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:05pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
jl115: Nigeria has surplus Otomat, 40 missiles for 8 launchers . SAN is the one facing chronic missile shortage. South Africa built no Hawk jet you thief, you imported fully built CKD parts from Britain and assembled the parts at home, Egypt does same for Alpha jets. You maintain no submarine at home, you only changed battery on one submarine and took seven years in dry dock to change one battery, war would have enslaved every Southie before you finish battery changing in a war situation. Dummy nation. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 10:18pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
jl115: Stop this your useless comparison with Algeria. The Algerian military is millions of Light years ahead of the South-African military. South-Africa only has a few modern systems here and there, nothing ground breaking. -Your Frigates are not modern -Your Tanks are not modern - Your Gripens are 4th GEN, but they lack proper BVR capabilities - Your Frigates are not modern, they can only sail under-water for 4 days, after that, your sailors need to bring it up to charge it's batteries. - Your Air defence is sh1T!! - Your Infantry is the oldest in the world - You lack qualified fighter pilots for your Gripen - you only have 3 C-130s available at any one time - You only have 10 Half-French Helicopters, they still aren't modern. The last pilot who tried NOE flying with your obsolete Helicopters ended up in the emergency wing of the hospital. - your MPAs are amongst the oldest in the world - you are only good at building MRAPs..... And more MRAPs. You are a soweto nation of dunder-head MRAP makers! There is absolutely nothing modern about the SANDF. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by jl115: 10:26pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
agaugust:-Algeria isn't flying any Mi 28, they don't have any yet ,we have the Rooivalk mk1F,-They are also not flying any Super Lynx because they don't have any, we do!! - the Yak-130 isn't any more modern than our Hawk 120, neither is the Su30MK more modern than our Gripen - in my original post I said the T90 is more modern than our Olifant so I don't know what the problem is- Mokopa is more modern than the Kornet and the Ingwe isn't far behind- We have the Oerlikon 35mm GDF-007 AHEAD, starstreak, and in the near future the Umkhonto SAM,BTW the S-300 isn't that modern- They don't have any Valours or Tigr corvettes- Our Heroine class subs are more modern than their Kilo class- they are going to use the same Exocet missile on their Valours than the ones we are using. We also have a much much better C4I2R capability than Algeria, Link za,C2,IMPI tracker ring a bell? we have more modern artillery, more modern infantry, and more modern APCs and IFVs. We also have more modern helicopter fleet and more modern medium lift fleet We have the widest radar coverage of any country in Africa and as I said before we have a more modern defence force not more powerful 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by jl115: 10:50pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
Henry120:1. Yes they are, which Frigates does Algeria have that are more modern: P.S The Tigr class and Valour class arnt in service yet! 2. Never said they were more modern than a T90 DIPSH1T!! 3. And? I said a Gripen is equally as modern as a Su30Mk, With BVR or not 4. Since when do our Valours sail under water? 5. Uhm according to you? cool story bro 6. And? 7. 14 Qualified Gripen pilots in 2013 and over 50 Hawk aircrew in 2013 and what does this have to do about modernity? 8. uhm according to you? and what does this have to do about modernity? 9. we have 11 Rooivalk and all upgraded to mk1F standard and is one of the most modern AH on the market!! 10. And? what does this have to do about modernity of our defence force? 11. Jap we make the best and most modern MRAPs in the world thanks for admitting that! 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by jl115: 10:51pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
agaugust:HAHAHA OK Built or assembled it doesn't matter, Denel Aviation supplies all the spare to maintain our Hawk fleet! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:15am On Aug 17, 2015 |
agaugust: No crime is not COIN. And is the responsibility of SAPS not the SANDF 21 SAI and SF were not deployed to do anything other than protect the border |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:16am On Aug 17, 2015 |
agaugust: Surveilance is a synonym for Spy Konder-E is a military grade satelight 1+1= 2 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:17am On Aug 17, 2015 |
agaugust: Russian army is run by the ministry of defence. Is the Russian army civilians? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:17am On Aug 17, 2015 |
agaugust: An 18 year old in 1989 is how old now? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:18am On Aug 17, 2015 |
agaugust: Augustus, AP duties are not the SANDFs responsibility Nothing you say or do will change this fact |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:19am On Aug 17, 2015 |
agaugust: John Dovey is an example of one of the thousands of men. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:20am On Aug 17, 2015 |
agaugust: I have |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:21am On Aug 17, 2015 |
agaugust: Ridiculous demands Stop devaluing this thread |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:22am On Aug 17, 2015 |
iblawi: Hahahaha Are you re.tarded? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iblawi(m): 6:05am On Aug 17, 2015 |
patches689:I got tired of the argument cos I now see you are not even sincere to yourself. I just proved to you that you have incomplete navy and airforce just like Nigeria. Your Airforce is almost as good as a commercial airline Cos You mainly have transport craft of different types. Your Hawks are trainers. A modern military with 11 attack helicopters and 26 Gripens. Some of you even claim you have 14 well trained fighter pilot 4 your 26 Gripens which we are not even sure of yet. And you call all that modern. Is it because of your transport aircraft you want to bring 3000 troops to Nigeria? you must be joking. Am sure u will still tell me you are better than Egypt. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 7:00am On Aug 17, 2015 |
iblawi: 1. Unlike Nigera, we have a navy. You do not. 2. Hawks are weaponized - they can deploy JDAMS (you only have 2 airplanes that can do that) and engage in air to air combat 3. 14 Trained pilots in 2013. Its now 2015. 4. 11 of the most advanced attack helicopters in Southern Africa. 5. Apart from 2 OPV's, the ATR-42 and 2 upgarded alpha jets (with a handfull of drones) there is absolutely nothing modern in your military. Certainly no where near as advanced as us. South Africa stands head and shoulders above nigeria |
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