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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:50pm On Feb 06, 2013 |
Thiza: I am not suprised such dastardly, irrelevant, uninspiring and negative comments is coming from a Nigerian.....ITS LIKE A KETTLE CALLING POT BLACK!!! thank you Thiza my brother for publicly admitting that nigeria is the giant of africa indeed, you are very correct with that statement. so true nigeria is african giant with clay feet, but the big problem is that south africa has no feet at all. lol. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:32pm On Feb 06, 2013 |
agaugust: Ur really boring now and I won't respond to u unless it about military u FUCKTART |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 7:12pm On Feb 06, 2013 |
agaugust: What we have no feet. We stand up strong and take our issues to the world. Nigeria is happy to sit there and let forghin countries dicted the region. The fact that niger has a drone base is not a big deal. The fact Nigeria has nothing to say about it is a sighn of weakness. When Mali was in troubel you moved so slow france had to step in. Where south africa was able to get its under funded (and yes we are under funded) milltary thousand of killomoters to centrail african republic in only a few days. Hell chad responded faster than you in nigeria. You country wants to be a big player but dose nothing about it. South africa wants to be a big player and so we moved to become one. You may be the giant of africa but we are the shining light that leads it. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 12:11am On Feb 07, 2013 |
agaugust: I am really starting to be fully convinced that this Aguagust is nothing but an imposter hallucinating about having a good job somewhere in America. Such an utter fallacy is really unbelievable, especially when it thrived from a self-proclaimed master of modern military technology whose knowledge of arms is not equal to that of an average South African. It is very disingenuous of him to bring issues of HIV/AIDS while he has it on good authority that Nigeria is not located anywhere inside a balloon. AIDS affect us all, whatever walks on two feet and could talk is a potential victim, hence our lives are all at stake. If this is how all Nigerians think, then it puzzles me tremendously as to what is it so lucrative they find and see in our beloved country to staff our territory. Nowadays, it is just a curse to live Nigerian abroad. By just a mention of that word, people start to behave strangely, even ostracise and treat them like a laper. Such repulsion sometimes give Nigerians the false believe that they are more superior while others are suffering from inferiority complex, meanwhile, failing to figure it out that people label them as terrorists and conmen. I remember at some point when I visited my sister in UK, people everywhere, especially my sister's fellow tenants kept on asking me if I was a Nigerian and after I gave them the correct answer, they started to glance at me with a smile and refer to me as Madiba boy. No wonder many Nigerians do not like people to know about their nationalities because their nation is cursed. It is so saddening that many countries are not willing to accept Nigerian, but the one and the only AIDS infested country is willing to go where others could not reach. It was this weak AIDS riddled country that went on and invest in Nigeria, developing their infrastructure especially where your leaders have failed. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:39am On Feb 08, 2013 |
andrewza . check facts well on internet before you post comment, the mali issue is free information the whole world can read on internet. you made some errors and i will correct them. 1) france is colonial master to mali and as usual, france has troops in almost all its west african colony as permanent military garisson for french interests.. 2) it is wrong diplomacy for nigeria to send soldiers into mali without agreement with france which puts its soldiers there long long agao, even before mali crisis. 3) nigeria acts wisely, we dont make the type of mistake south africa made by sending warship to ivory coast without agreement with france, nigeria, and UN, these 3 have troops already in ivory coast. thats why south african navy was told to go away, your country did not use correct diplomacy thats why even the UN did not support your stay in ivory coast, you had bad diplomacy in your method of deployment 4) mali had democracy overthrown by military coup and ecowas knew that the coup was with good reason but did not want democracy to be destroyed. it will be stupid for nigeria to send in soldiers at that time because it will look like an invasion when the ruling military coup plotters refused to allow any ecowas country's soldiers to enter mali. nigeria wanted to solve the problem, and not to add to the problem. wisdom comes with age. 5) nigeria with ecowas agreed with UN to deploy in september becasue france was already there with soldiers and there was no more fighting between government troops and rebels islamists. 6) the sudden attack from the rebels made france to counter-attack and stop their rebel advance. nigeria also responded very fast to that attack in 48 hours we landed over 1,000 soldiers, armoured fighting vehicles, jet fighters, helicopter gunships and military transport planes. that is a good logistic capability by international standards. we africans have a problem, when a white man does something small we call it big, but when a black man does something big we call it small. 7) the France you are singing their praise, had to ask Britain for help with military transport planes and they got it. Canada and USA also sent military transport planes and 4x4 military vehicles and millions of dollars to help France. nobody in the world helped nigeria, we did all the heavy equipment and battalion troops deployment all by ourselves and with our oil money. 9) France is already announcing that its troops will not stay long in mali, listen to BBC news. the france wants to run away before the mali rebels change to deadly guerrilla warfare that kills even the best army infantry in the world like Russian army died in thousands by the guns of islamic mujahedeen guerrilla rebels of afghanistan war in the 1980s. nigeria says it will stay in mali and fight the war for as long as we are needed there. respect nigeria when it is time for war, no retreat no surrender from africa's number one infantry forces. so you say nigeria did not do well ? think twice before you post comment. the whole world respects nigeria when it comes to military operations all over africa in the most dangerous war zones, so never compare nigeria to south african in this area, we are far superior to you in track record of many past achievements and the whole world respects nigeria for that. we spent $10 billion of nigerian oil money on liberian and sierra leone wars alone, plus over 1,000 nigerian soldiers died in the thick jungle forest of those countries. [/b] nigeria started sending soldiers to fight all over africa in 1960 just few months after our independence nigerian army landed in congo kinshasa to fight in the civil war and we had no airforce at that time, we asked other countries to airlift our army to congo and nigerian ex- president obasanjo did fight as an army officer in that war of congo. nigeria is the big brother and giant of africa. over 100,000 nigerian army troops have served and rotated in opreations for peace all over africa since 1960. check out some of our many military action list... liberia sierra leone somalia sudan dafur ivory coast mali all the wars nigeria enters are big news because they are big wars. south africa selects small wars to deploy, thats why you went to central african republic, if you have the military power, enter congo DRC and damn everybody, then flush out the invaders there and stop crisis. south africa was wide awake with open eyes when rwanda genocide killed 800,000 africans very close to your borders, you did nothing to stop it, you were busy making excuses for not stopping the blood shed of your fellow africans in rwanda, 800,000 black people died while south africa was claiming to be the strongest military power in africa ? no never ! a living dog is better than a dead lion ! dont ask me which country is the living dog and which country is the dead lion, let africa's history answer the question.
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Neuen: 4:56am On Feb 08, 2013 |
andrewza:What is the lasts ones name btw? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Neuen: 5:04am On Feb 08, 2013 |
agaugust:Is this the same French that run out of Vietnam because the Vietnamese did not fight fare? France pitched up to the battle ground and there was enemy. They got ambushed and attacked out of nowhere and went and complained to the UN that they were not fighting a conventional battle and left Vietnam. You know the French tanks got 5 gears? 1 for forward and 4 for reverse Why would SA stop clashes in Rwanda when they were thrown out of the UN? Who's idea was it to go throw those 2 cultures in close proximity to each other? The only wqay you could stop something like that is to separate them and that would be off course called Apartheid. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Neuen: 5:08am On Feb 08, 2013 |
agaugust:You are partly correct there. Nigeria have lower unemployment than South Africa as well as a lower crime rate. The 2001 UNDP Report showed that South Africa had slumped to 0.604 due its high Aids rate and lower per capita income due to the (then) weak Rand. The fact that South Africa under ANC rule had slumped even behind its 1975 figure was so much the opposite of what the SACP (and ANC) wanted to hear that they promptly lost all interest in the HDR. After 2001 each successive new HDR was largely ignored. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 6:41am On Feb 08, 2013 |
agaugust: What nonsense are u talking ![]() 1)Now African nation needs French permission to deploy troops and this applies even where French troops have military bases don't come and talk nonsense here. 2)The UN approved the Mali deployments last year Dec 2012 already and ECOWAS at that time including Nigeria said that there soldiers would need training and mission de briefing before deployment and they were not expected to deploy before Sep 2013 and that's a fact. 3) France never had a military base in Mali they only had 600 troops stationed there to train the Mali army and for evacuation, before the rebels decided to attack. 4)SANDF don't have any deployments in Congo Brazaville and has over 1280 troops in DRC so don't LIE and talk SH*T here. U continuesly distort issues and LIE just to state a case I guess this is what Nigerian Immigrants do when they are PRIViLEGED SLAVES on Foreign Land who feels guilty for not helping to build its Native land. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:09am On Feb 08, 2013 |
snydergp: snydergp it seems your mental problem has returned again, try visit a strong medicine man village herbalist for a permanent african cure to your brain disease, the white man psychiatric hospital you go regularly is not helping you at all, except they give you a complete brain transplant. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 7:51am On Feb 08, 2013 |
@AGUAGUST, I must say u have a talent in Misleading people I know came to the conclusion that u are a COMPULSIVE LIER ![]() ![]() ![]() 1)Did u know that on 6 APRIL 1994 when the tragic genocide in Rwanda happened, South Africa weren't a democracy then and was still in the process of preparing for first democratic elections later in that month on 27 APRIL 1994. 2) On the issue of SAN sending a naval vessel to West African waters and Ivory Coast, can u please tell me does South Africa need French approval to deploy its military assets on the continent ![]() Why don't u tell us that France didn't want SA's former president THABO MBEKI to find a diplomatic solution to the crisis in Ivory Coast, and why were the Netherland Naval forces allowed to have a Frigate of the Ivorian coastline without any diplomatic issues, while South Africa were frowned upon for sending a naval supply ship the SAS Drakensburg. 3) Yes Nigeria has done fairly well in UN sponsored peacekeeping( FACT 60% OF ALL PEACEKEEPING FUNDING COMES FROM UN) but there discipline and conduct has been constantly raised by UN reports including lack of equipment, SO MUCH FOR AFRICA'S 4TH BEST ARMED FORCES ![]() ![]() ![]() http://m.allafrica.com/stories/201206260968.html We've been through this before don't let us repeatedly discuss bygone issues on this thread. It seems u have an acute attention disorder. Stop these LIES now ur IGNORANCE HAVE BECOME LEGENDARY NOW MY PRIVILEDGED SLAVE ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:01am On Feb 08, 2013 |
agaugust: I get free hospital care at Military Hospitals in my country and its better medical care then all Nigerian Elites receive in there own country, Oooooops I forgot they all run to EUROPE for there medical checkups. Son chat to u on monday I'm going on my weekend South African Ritual
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:00pm On Feb 08, 2013 |
okay, have a nice weekend my friend snydergp, and dont drink alchohol, save some money for your wife and children. lol ![]() |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 6:08pm On Feb 08, 2013 |
Neuen: There is only one country in Africa that has a reliable and virtually accurate stats system and that's SA. Most of African countries, including Nigeria do not have an accurate statistics and even the world bank has admitted to this. Nigeria does not even have reliable stats in respect of the size of their population, hence I wonder how did u arrive at such a flawed conclusion. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 6:50pm On Feb 08, 2013 |
msauza. It is obvious you dont know anything about nigeria. We have a very very large informal sector. If you have been to nigeria before, you would know this. Our citizens dont get handouts from the government and i believ you must have heard of the phrase "OYO" before. In nigeria it means: on your own. Thats what we are in nigeria. We are on our own. That philosophy breeds entreprenuership if you dont know. Btw, what the meaning of ubuntu ubuntu gabantu? Its one of brenda fasie's songs. Also in her song about weding, there is a part she said something like "halaaaala halala halala halala kukumekekekuulaa"lol. Whats the meaning of that? Forgive me if i do not know how to spell it. I am not zulu, khosa or whatever. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:09pm On Feb 08, 2013 |
i@msauza, are you the one who built the 3rd mainland bridge which is the longest in Africa? Did you build the ultra modern Umar Musa Yar'adua exp way in abuja as well as the lekki-epe exp way in lagos? Are you helping us to build Eko atlantic? A city 10sqkm built on land reclaimed from the atlantic ocean. Where has that ever happened in africa? Did you help us build our high rise buildings all over the country? Are you lending us a helping hand in building our light rails in lagos and abuja? Did you help us do the just concluded rehabilitation of our lagos-kano railway? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:34pm On Feb 08, 2013 |
are you, msauza, the one responsible for the massive infrastructure reneissance being withnessed in Akwa Ibom state? Did you help the lagos and katsina state government educate for free and also pay the WAEC fee of all students in government schools? Are you responsible for the Aerotropolis about to be built in all airport cities in nigeria? I guess you havent heard of that word aerotropolis before. Are you responsible for the free health care being given to the elderly and to children under the age of 5 in lagos state? I can go on and on. But i do not blame you for thinking our govt isnt doing anything for us. It is our citizenry who just take pleasure in bad mouthing the government and refuse to give them kudos for doing the right things. But that is a good thing in a way. It shows we can talk without the fear of intimidation and persecution. It shows there is freedom unmodrated in nigeria and that is a symbol of a highly evolved society. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:37pm On Feb 08, 2013 |
Eko Atlantic Eko Atlantic — City — Shoreline of Eko Atlantic under construction Logo Motto: Live and Work Aerial view of Eko Atlantic under construction Eko Atlantic Location of Eko Atlantic in Lagos, Nigeria Coordinates: 6°25′06″N 3°25′03″E Website EkoAtlantic.com Eko Atlantic or Eko Atlantic City is a planned district of Lagos, Nigeria, being constructed on land reclaimed from the Atlantic Ocean. [1] It is located on Lagos’ Bar Beach. Upon completion, the new island which is still under development is anticipating 400,000 residents and a daily flow of 250,000 commuters. The development will also have a positive environmental impact; its purpose is to stop the erosion of the Lagos coastline. [2] The Eko Atlantic City project received global recognition in 2009, as the Lagos State government and its private sector partners on the Project, South Energyx, got the Clinton Global lnitiative Commitment Certificate.[3][4][5] Adjacent to Victoria Island, Eko Atlantic will rise as the next generation of property in Africa. Expected to be around 4 square miles (10 km2), the city will satisfy needs for financial, commercial, residential and tourist accommodations with a state-of-the-art high-tech infrastructure in line with modern and environmental standards. These standards will offer the city’s residents modern water, waste management, security and transportation systems. Eko Atlantic will also have an independent source of energy generated specifically for the city.[6] As of May 2009 while the project was still in its dredging phase, about 3,000,000 cubic metres (3,900,000 cu yd) have been sand- filled and placed in the reclamation area, while about 35,000 tonnes of rock have been delivered to the site.[2] In certain parts of Bar Beach the land being reclaimed can already be seen. Dredgers are working around the clock to fill the site with sand. Contractors are China Communications Construction Group, a global leader in the field of marine dredging and landfill operation. Consultants are Royal Haskoning (traffic and transport expertise) and ar+h Architects. South Energyx Nigeria Ltd. a subsidiary of the Chagoury group was specifically created to undertake the development. Testing of the sea defence system found place at the DHI Institute in Copenhagen, Denmark, where models were successfully tested for one in a hundred- year ocean surge, one in 120 years, one in 150 years and one in 1,000 years' storm, the worst storm that it is estimated can possibly happen in the area.[clarification needed] Criticism The Eko Atlantic project has been criticised by local residents living nearby, saying that ongoing construction works have caused coastal erosion and ocean surges;[7] as ocean water surges through living areas, flooding access roads and taking down electricity poles and forcing residents to relocate. The Lagos State Government is also being criticised for failing to involve the people in the project.[8][9][10] In August 2012 the Atlantic Ocean surged and overflowed its banks, sweeping 16 people into the Atlantic ocean, killing several people and flooding Kuramo Beach, Victoria Island and other areas.[11] According to an environmental expert, "the ocean surge occurred a result of the failure of the contractors handling the sandfilling activities of the proposed Atlantic Ocean City, to put in place measure that would reduce the effect of the surge on the environment". [12] The Lagos State chapter of the People's Democratic Party of Nigeria (PDP) issued an official statement, blaming the ACN led state government's sand filling for the ocean surge. The party called for a stop to the Eko Atlantic project and immediate compensation to the bereaved families. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:42pm On Feb 08, 2013 |
BY OLASUNKANMI AKONI MOTORISTS along Ikoyi, Lekki-Epe axis will soon heave a sigh of relief as the first ever cable styled bridge of its kind in the sub Saharan West Africa region – Lekki-Ikoyi Link Bridge, has reached 95 percent stage of completion. The link bridge project is sponsored by Governor Babatunde Fashola administration in Lagos State and being constructed by the construction giant, Julius Berger Plc. Lekki-Ikoyi Link Bridge The project was conceived in 2008, as solution to the perennial bottleneck on the Lekki- Epe road being serviced by only one access road. Therefore, people of the highbrow choice area and the adjoining Victoria Island will soon witness a tremendous and pleasurable driving experience upon completion of the link bridge which will cause a relief from the daily traffic challenges the residents face trying to connect either Ikoyi or Lekki through Falomo Bridge, Alfred Rewane Road or Lekki-Epe Road. Femi Hamzat, Lagos State commissioner for Works and Infrastructure, described it as historic, noting: “No doubt it is a testament to the sagacity of an administration determined to build tomorrow’s infrastructure today. It is the hallmark of a commitment to the welfare and socio-economic wellbeing of its people.” When Vanguard Newspaper visited the site recently, it was gathered that the level of work had reached over 95 percent and according to Hamzat the target is to commission it before the end of this year, specifically first week in November. The aesthetic bridge is a standard megacity compliant facility. It is to serve as a strategic bypass along the Falomo Bridge and Alfred Rewane, Independence Bridge and Ahmadu Bello Way. Designed as dual carriageway, the bridge directly connects Lekki Phase I Estate with Alexander in Ikoyi. It is envisaged that on completion it would improve the living standard of the people and enhance social interaction, as it represents a significant content in the state’s tourism portfolio. “The infrastructures provided must not only reflect present realities but also envisage future growth trends,” Hamzat stated, adding that it will also reduce travel time, save man-hour loss by motorists. Moreover, the link bridge is expected to reduce the traffic on Lekki-Epe Toll Gates, as motorists who do not have any business along the axis would have the option of going through the link bridge, either from Ikoyi end to the other or Lekki end to the other, thereby, eliminating the present traffic rush being experienced on daily basis on Lekii Epe Expressway. Technical details of the bridge obtained from the state Ministry Works and Infrastructure shows as follows: total length of bridge – 1.358km comprising of 722m approach and main bridge 466m; length of cable- 170m (suspended section). Eight of pylon: 87m from water level; navigational requirement clearance average of 9m above high water level. Width is 16m across (8m on both sides); walkway – 4m across (2m on both sides) ; road works- Ikoyi end – 338. 7m while Lekki end is 311.5m. Other link bridge in focus According to reliable sources, the state is planning another link bridge from Ojodu-Berger to Ikorodu to Isawo with a stop at Ikorodu. “But the construction will be tough, because the alignment is built up and the compensation will be high. So we are looking at various |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 5:51am On Feb 09, 2013 |
agaugust: 1)so mali is only a collony now. France had to bring in a large amount of troops, since they only had a few hundred there. 2) So now you need the permssion of some european counry to do any thing. Funny how we never asked france if we can send solders to the central african republic. we just sent them. and you had the green light to deploy since last year long before the rebel push south. The only resoan france acted was because you where unable to help in any way. 3) How was it unwise, you for some strange resoane though that letting a forghnier from europe be where in charge of you is a good idea. We dont need to ask some country far away to move around in africa and the simply fact is, we proved we can do it. we put a ship on staion of a county thousand of killmoters from us for months. 4) The coup ended long before the rebel push to the south. 5) Those where agreements made some time ago. Has soon has the rebels began there push south it should have been changed. I mean you got a paratroopers. They suposed to be deploybil any where any time. So why did it take so long for the first nigerians to arrive. 6)So if you deployed in your words over 1000 AFV why did you not rush to the front then. Do you have any idea how many 1000AFV is. That enough to destroy the rebels. That is more than France has deployed. I thing what you where trying to say is you deployed 1000 solders with AFV. But even so why did the sit back then and not join the fight. 7) Never heard of NATO. France never asked for help it's NATO allies offerd help. You all so fail to point out that the first and largest group to arrive did not need any of that help. ![]() We only enter small wars? We got 1280 solders in Eastern DRC around 800 in dafure Sudan(since the south got independs we no longer needed there) we deployed solders to CAR only after the rebels begain the push to south. There are all so plans to deplye the SADC stand by brigade to deploy to DRC. They will not have a peac keeper mission by instead a mission to destryo the M23 and any other rebel groups in the area. There still some problems to iron out concerning the UN. Aka we don't want them to ruin it. Rwanda genoicided hapended before the ellctions. We where in a verey dangourise time then. And Rwanda is not close to our borders. Far from it. How ever you did forget we stoped the civil war in burindie. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:55am On Feb 09, 2013 |
andrewza you are very wrong my good friend, france requested british help with military transport aircraft for mali operations, here is the weblink below and a quote of the news after it, so you are wrong. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-france-relationship-strong-in-mali-operation Wing Commander Simon Bellamy, the RAF liaison officer at the French military headquarters, said: The deployment demonstrates the decisive contribution that air power can make to any emerging operation. The pace of our British royal air force response to the official French request for logistical support illustrates not only the professionalism of our personnel but also the increasingly strong and operationally-focused links we have generated with the French Air Force since the Libya campaign. no country has a perfect military, not even USA or Israel, or Russia. every military in the world will lack something. france has more troops in mali than nigeria, you dont do internet google search information on mali war information very well before you post comments. nigeria has 1,000 soldiers in mali, but france has 4,000 soldiers and more hardware because both France, Britain, USA, and Canada are using their air forces super airlift transport planes to move french forces and also donating millions of dollars and many 4x4 army vehicles on a regular basis, i live in the USA and i know what is going on here. nobody cares to help nigerian military with money or aircraft to do logistics to mali and we are not asking for help, we got no help when we deployed 15,000 soldiers to liberia/sierra leone for war, we are strong to act effectively and we spent $10 billion of our oil money, no single dollar from UN, AU, ECOWAS, or the white men's countries. how many african countries have ever 'wasted' their money like that before to save two war ravaged black countries? mali issue is different from central african republic, france has strong military garrison and airforce bases in all its west african ex-colonies because of defence pacts and training agreements. why did south african navy remove their warship from ivory coast when the other foreign powers said no to your military? you could have stayed there by force ? your country will get into trouble if you try that. if you deploy your army into territory of another country, its defence pact partner has legal right to flush you out. nigeria does not want war with france. foreign military intervention must be done wisely otherwise you create more opposing military forces and the whole world will blame you. nigeria is very experienced with foreign operations since congo kinshasa war of 1960 we did fight there 50 years ago. we are more mature and we know when to use force. i keep telling you that mali was delicate, if nigeria entered mali anyhow, we may end up fighting the coup plotters and france, instead of the rebels. you have to be careful when the owner of the country does not welcome you, then you wait until the owner of the country says come in. mali government prefers france's military force to a nigerian military force, because of language difference and no love between french and english west african countries, so we had to use ecowas to enter mali with our military force. we anglophone and francophone west africa never trust each other, we almost hate each other naturally. ivory coast supported the rebels side during nigerian civil war 1967. nigerians civilians get killed in francophone countries many times and we never trust each other. the mali government coup plotters clearly told ecowas NOT to enter mali or else they will attack our army. google the BBC news of that time and read it. nigeria cannot send its army to fight another country's army in their own land without a defence pact signed with the democratic goverment that was overthrown. nigeria is smart, so we used ecowas to change mali's government from military coup leaders into an interim civilian government before we deployed our soldeirs. even then mali never trusts nigeria as an anglophone vs francophone natural hatred. mali is now accepting nigerian soldiers because the rebels are too strong for mali's army. most african countries dont realy like nigeria, they only want us to spend our oil money to solve their problems, after that they will still hate nigeria one year later. mali accepted nigerian military only under ecowas. all the west african countries fear nigeria's big power and influence, they dont want to be swallowed up by a big nigeria of 170 million people. even ghana is now complaining about big nigerian companies trying to take over their economy. we use our head before we deploy nigerian army into another independent country's territory. samuel doe invited us to liberia, tejan kabbah invited us to sierra leone, laurent gbagbo invited us to ivory coast, AU permited us to sudan, UN permited us to somalia. according to international law, you can only send military forces into the territory of a sovereign country by permission of the ruling government, unless the government has collapsed and the world must see it clearly. if you break that international law you are guilty of the crime of invasion and violation of territorial integrity, then a UN military force can be asked to flush your army out. south africa has a good reason for not helping rwanda during genocide because mandela came to power a month after the genocide. well no excuse ofr not helping congo DRC with an overwhelming powerful force to flush out every invader like uganda, then train congo military, give them some hawk jets the way nigeria gave mig jets to mozambique. give them armoured vehicles and two rooivalk helicopters. if you tell kabila you want to help his country he will say yes. south african military deployments are always small, between 400 to 1800 soldiers etc. looks like you have shortage of manpower. nigeria had 15,000 soldiers in liberian war, and that stopped the war, big force, big result. move 15,000 south african soldiers with armour and jets into congo DRC and help kabila, then lets see what happens. your country avoids dangerous battles, that is what the world is observing, notice that world news dont focus on south african military engagements overseas the way they focus on nigerian war zones, its because of the type of battles you select to fight. your grippen jets have not helped any african country so far. we use our alpha jets in combat as small as they are...liberia, sierra leone, ivory coast, mali. south africa needs to do more, you do too little to solve african war problems, not just help, solve it, solve the war problem by using your military effectively if you want to be rated as african number one military power. you need to be seen to intervene in a war , fight and win , then stop the war. nigeria has deployed 100,000 soldiers all over african wars in 50 years, how many has south africa deployed since mandela came to power 20 years ago ? maybe 5,000 south african soldiers in total for 20 years. any verifiable statistics |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:15am On Feb 09, 2013 |
souldust: i@msauza, are you the one who built the 3rd mainland bridge which is the longest in Africa? Did you build the ultra modern Umar Musa Yar'adua exp way in abuja as well as the lekki-epe exp way in lagos? To cut everything shot, SA is a more developed state than Nigeria. You like it or not, you go to the moon or the sun it will remain. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:29pm On Feb 09, 2013 |
Msauza:why dont you answer the ubuntu ubuntu question. I am more interested in that...it makes more sense than all the crap you are worried about. Scroll up, and you will see it. Apart from brenda, chaka chaka and lucky dube and also mariam makeba, you havent really given us south african flavour in recent times. Whats happening? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:11pm On Feb 09, 2013 |
Msauza: Msauza, always remember to kneel down at the feet of the boer white man and say thank you to him for building south africa for you blacks to enjoy . dont just boast here, give the glory to the white men who made south africa more modern than nigeria, you blacks built almost nothing in south africa's economy, technology, and infrastructure. south africa minus boer white man is equal to zero, bitter truth, just swallow it msauza. lol ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 9:28pm On Feb 09, 2013 |
souldust: why dont you answer the ubuntu ubuntu question. I am more interested in that...it makes more sense than all the crap you are worried about. Scroll up, and you will see it. "Umuntu ngumuntu ngabantu" is a proverb meaning a man (person) cannot live on his own without socialising with others. The direct translation is a man is man because of others. The ubuntu means humanity. With regard to lucky dube and others, you must remember we are living in a dynamic world and as such youth of SA has come with the new kind of music, that is, SA house music which is based more on entertainment. The old SA music was more on liberation and black consciousness. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 9:55pm On Feb 09, 2013 |
agaugust: Aguagust, it seems as if the moth has eaten the cortex of your brain. Do you suggest that of all 20yrs in power blacks never achieved anything in SA. Historically, not all areas in SA were ruled by whites. During the epoch of a white rule in SA only agrarian part of the country which was formally known as Central was under a white rule and some areas which were known as homelands were under control of a black rule. The former Bophuthatswana homeland produced what we now call capital city of North West province which is Mafikeng. Mafikeng was build and developed by a black man. Bisho in the Eastern Cape is the product of a black man from the former transkei and is today the capital of Eastern cape. All the land which was under control of a black man is Bophathatswana, Transkei, Ciskei, QwaQwa, Lebowa, Kwazulu, with each having their own universities, schools, military, police, infact to summarise everything each one had own government. I don't want to write about achievements we made after 1994, simply because this space would be a lot smaller. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 10:59am On Feb 10, 2013 |
@msauza,what about the song "its a wedding day", there is a part said something like "halaaaala halala halala halala kukumekekekuula" i think its somewhere at the end of the song. Whats the meaning? Also in the song whose chorus goes like "you think you're high guy...bayebe...high guy..." there is a part she said something like "apshailapetulu apshailataptap apshailapetulu OSHAILAPE (with a deep voice)...you think you're high guy". Tell me what the meaning is. Sorry for drilling you this much. I have always wondered what they meant listening to them as a kid. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:19am On Feb 10, 2013 |
but surely, you can still let us hear from the youger musicians. Mmost of our songs in the past were geared towards attacking the military government, corruption and unity since at that time, we just came out of africas blodiest civil war. But today, our young artistes are making waves around the cotinent with their entertainment and party centered songs. Why cant you just do the same. Younger nigerians know absolutely nothing about SA music. Even people my mate can hardly remember the likes of brenda, chaka chaka et al. Do something to make it more vibrant |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Capnd143(m): 1:57pm On Feb 10, 2013 |
Why do the SA Keep phewing tells of inferior war arsenals, otherwise claimed to superior. Ok let me do a small contrast between Nigerian military strength and the South Africans conterpart being totally unbiased in my judgement. In a possible war (which i pray shouldnt occur) between the Nigeria and south Africa, there are many things to be considered, not just how many jets,tanks or assault riffles a country has determine its military capability but also salient factors like; size,military flexibility,combat experience,active military personal, military cordination and national wealth(GDP),natural resources, foreign reserves to fund war . Taking all these factors into consideration then we will be able to denote the actual military potential of a country. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:40pm On Feb 11, 2013 |
souldust: i@msauza, are you the one who built the 3rd mainland bridge which is the longest in Africa? Did you build the ultra modern Umar Musa Yar'adua exp way in abuja as well as the lekki-epe exp way in lagos? Did u also know that SA has the highest bridge in africa and the 4th highest arch concrete bridge in the world which is only surpassed by one in china,usa and one in italy. Did u know we have the most extensive Metropolitan railway network in africa including africa's only overhead and underground high speed passenger railway named the Gautrain. Did u know that OR Thambo airport is africa's biggest and busiest airport including one of the top 5 airports in the world rate even higher then Heathrow and JFK airport respectively. Did u know SA has the largest optronic telescope and observatory in africa 2nd largest in the world and the largest in the Southern Atmosphere named SALT built in 2005 which is also used by NASA scientist on a daily basis. Mind u this is just to name a few things built post 1994 by a black goverment. SA companies are involved in building infrastructure in Nigeria just look at some of ur malls(shopping centers) which has input from SA. Both SA and Nigeria still hsas a long way to go interms of infrastructure and human development so personally for me this is a no go area, but honestly speaking naija still lags behind. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 10:05pm On Feb 11, 2013 |
agaugust: Ok so now u saying that armed response and war should actually take precedence over diplomacy, while u forget that diplomacy and socio political solutions to any conflict is the only guarantee for democracy and development in all nations pre and during armed unrest. So u also implying that a 800 strong battalion(company) is not adequate for deployment to suppress or keep waring parties at bey. 1)The conflict between Khartoum and the Christian-South who negotiated the peace settlement for an independent state now called South Sudan. 2)Who intervened in Burundi and forced the Burundian rebels to hault there assualt on the capital and help train its army which was subsequently deployed to somalia. 3) Who intervened in CAR a month ago to hault a assualt on the CAR capital city with only +400 SF members which were deployed within 24hours of there call up over 3500km away while French soldiers stood aside and complaint with rebels that SANDF should withdraw its entire 650 soldiers. Like I've said before I'd rather go to war with 2500 well trained and equiped soldiers with world class air support then with 15000 soldiers who has never faced an rebelion or army who has total air superiority. Let us face the facts here u would never engage those Mali rebels if they had 2 fully operational S-300 SAM's with ur alpha jets and F-7's the casualties would just be to high for such a move. When last have u read or heard of any SADC civil war or rebellion compared to ur west african region which remains volatile due to weak democratic states and corruption. Military action should be the last option to stop a coup or civil war and diplomacy should take preference simply because human life both rebel, civilian and soldier must protected under international law, particularly the UN-Geneva-Convention. I think u have a sheer lack of knowledge abt war and conflicts in general if u've never been in a war torn region where Rape, mutilation, starvation and other things like diseases that particularly affects woman and children u would know that diplomacy should take preference over war and this goes for Mali and Nigeria's BOKO BOYS ![]() |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 10:23pm On Feb 11, 2013 |
souldust: but surely, you can still let us hear from the youger musicians. Vibrant according to what because apart from only 3 Nigerian artists who don't even live in Nigeria are actually known by a hand full of SA citizens. Brenda and Chaka chaka are 1990's and pre-aparheid era stars in SA and sadly their music aren't even getting much air play today Did u know that SA has the biggest dance music market or house/trance market in the world. Did u know that LIRA, one of our most vibrant young artist performed at Obama's inauguration ball 2weeks ago. I really dnt understand ur point abt SA music same way me as an outsider would find it hard to dance to some of ur artist |
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