I invite all Nairas to read this attached link and make reasonable and objective comments

http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=sandf%20special%20forces%20attack%20ships%20in%20angola&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=%68%74%74%70%3a%2f%2f%77%77%77%2e%73%61%64%66%2e%69%6e%66%6f%2f%54%69%74%6c%65%53%70%65%63%69%61%6c%46%6f%72%63%65%73%2e%68%74%6d%6c&ei=QxlRUuf2HK-yiQes7YCgBA&usg=AFQjCNHtCZtNbjlJ81mp3Ib3bvra7HB4Hw&bvm=bv.53537100,d.aGc&cad=rjt

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[size=16pt] Air and Sea Combat Simulation : Nigeria Vs South Africa [/size]




due to the ban i got as @Agaugust making this post a few hours ago, i have decided to rewrite a much shorter and less detailed version of the war simulation to avaoid another ban, then post as Augustine Again.

i will appreciate if readers can be honest about the facts in this posts and that the south africans avaoid telling liesw and making false technical cliams just to win an argument on internet....and lose a war in reality

i will start by saying that we have settled some issues with posts i made in the past 3 months with sources to prove the facts stated in arguments with south africans :

FACTS :

nigerian navy has 40 otomat anti-ship missiles with range 80km-180km

nigerian air force has about 12 each newly upgraded Alpha Jets, MBB 339 Jets, L-39 Jets, and F-7 jets making a total of about 50 currently upgraded and active jet fighters/light ground attack aircraft.

nigerian air force and NIS have four ATR-42 Surveyor maritime aircrafts with radar range 330km

and very modern and powerful anti-jamming/electronic warfare capabilities

nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft has longe range sea search cameras

nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft and also infra red search capability and optical view panoramic bubble windows

nigerian four ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft can all together track 400 targets at a single time and cover the entire nigerian EEZ waters at one single time.

nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft carries and launches drones - UAVs

nigeria has TRACON nationwide air radar coverage of about 500km

nigerian navy has about 20 coastal radar stations covering the entire nigerian coast

nigerian coastal radars have range up over 500km including the new ones that extend down the gulf of guinea.

the nigerian jets fighters too have their own anti-jamming/electronic warfare suites and chaff/flare dispenser counter measures, especially the 12 MBB 339 which just had an $84 million major upgrade in Italy about last year.

nigerian F-7 jets have PL-9C air to air missiles with 22km range, Atoll missiles with 15km range and 90mm air to ground rockets with 7km range

nigerian F-7 jets have reconnaisance/spy capabilities and secondary recce/search and ground attack role.

nigerian F-7 jets have radar range between 15km to 37km including air to surface radar capability for air to ground attack

nigerian F-7 jets have HUD and computerized visual range electro-optical sight targeting plus guided missile lock

nigerian alpha jets have bombs and rockets for air to ground attack.

nigeria has spy satellites

nigeria has spy balloons

nigeria has drones - UAV

nigeria has 660 artillery guns including 50 mobile palmaria 30km range artillery

south african navy Valour frigates stealth capability according to Blohm + Voss, the designers, claim has the radar signature of a vessel one-half her size, and still has infra-red emmisions making it visible to radar as a 60m size warship instead of the actual size of 120m.

on a radar screen the south african valour frigate will be seen and detected as the same size of NNS Anyam of nigeria a missile armed fast attack warship.

south african navy valour frigate warships are stealth but still very visible to radar for detection and can be tracked and detected by infra-red emmissions too.

south african valour frigate has only 16 umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles and can NOT be reloaded at sea by itself

there is only one CIWS, a DENEL 35mm medium gun with only 4km short range, on the valour frigate and with limited elevation and CANNOT shoot vertically upwards.

the 76mm heavy/main gun of the valour frigate CANNOT shoot down a supersonic missile and cannot fire straight up vertically or backwards due to limited elevation and traverse.

valour frigate's umkhonto anti-aircraft missile has a maximum horizontal or parabolic range of 15km.

valour frigate's umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles CANNOT harm any aircraft flying at 11km above sea level becasuse the maximum altitude the umkhonto missile can climb vertically up is only 10km.


ASSUMPTIONS :


nigeria will not use home made Epe rockets/missiles said to have a range of 120km and linked to satellite guidance

south africa's 3 valour frigates survived miraculously (though very likely they would have been sunk to sea bottom in reality) from the thousands of coastal artillery shells fired by nigerian army in a surprise attack.

nigeria and south africa will not import any new weapons, equipment or ordnance

nigeria will not use the 2014 delivery two new stealth warships on order from china

nigeria will not use the super puma and puma helicopters that are equipped to launch nigerian navy's 40 exocet MM38 anti-ship missiles

nigeria not use any of 12 Fennec anti-submarine helicopters on order from france

there will be NO 3rd party foreign military intervention force from any other country.


COMBAT ENGAGEMENT :


3 south african navy valour frigate warships enter nigerian EEZ waters to effect a naval blockade of nigerian seas.

the enemy ships are sighted and tracked 24 hours by nigerian satellites long before they arrive.

they are also accompanied by 2 Type 209 submarines.

all nigerian warships are withdrawn to safe harbour and behind decoy of fishing vessels, thus beyond reach of enemy submarines in shalow waters and harbour.

the 3 south african ships daily patrol the entire nigerian waters in this invasion, from continental shelf to exclusive economic zone limits.

all nigerian radars from coast and aircraft, as well as space satellites and spy air balloons monitor all 3 south african warships 24 hours daily and communicate location to all military units engaged.

fear of hundreds of nigerian army artillery bombardment from the coast with range 15km to 30km shelling, which would have sunk all the valour frigates, makes them to run away from nigerian coast to 50km off the shores

the above withdrawal already weakens the naval blockade and gives more room to nigerian flat bottom crude oil barges to sail freely along the shallow coastline to export oil as well as the nigerian west african gas pipeline continues oil exports easily to the whole world.

NNS Aradu from safe harbour fires 4 deadly Otomat sea skimming/near water surface hugging anti-ship missiles and sinks a valour frigate to the sea bottom in some minutes.

the other 2 south african valour frigates wherever they are located, are both simultaneously engaged by a squadron of mixed F-7 jets, Alpha jets, L-39 jets, and MBB 339 jets with ATR-42 Surveyors long range away about 30km giving all needed electronic, radar, and TV camera support of the operations and serving as command and control.

at about 13km above sea level, near stall speed, 45 degree dive attack on stern/aft/rear/backside of the valour frigate where the ship is most weak and cannot be defended by its main 76mm gun, F-7 jets fire with boresight computer/optical targeting, 18 SRAAM guided missiles in perfectly timed sequence/intervals and the valour defends with only 16 umkhonto missiles to stop 16 of the F-7 jets 18 missiles.


valour frigate has used up all its 16 umkhonto missiles to stop F-7 jet missiles that have SATURATED the air above the warship and the warship has no anti-aircraft missile defence any more. it becomes an easy target for 7km range air to ground rockets.

this simulation uses the special air to ground attack combat tactic called SATURATION ATTACK which many military analysts/experts including those in south africa have complained as the major weakness of the expensive and over-rated valour frigates of south african navy


"The South African Denel Umkhonto-IR is a short-range (12km) anti-aircraft missile, which is still in its development stage, having been "tested only to a limited extent", while "several navies and air forces already have supersonic anti-ship missiles. How the Umkhonto will deal with these is not known." The frigates can have their capacity doubled to 32 Umkhontos, but will probably carry only eight missiles and so "can easily be swamped by saturation attack *7".

http://www.armsdeal-vpo.co.za/articles10/weak_ships.html




(the F-7 jets can also use 90mm multiple rockets for the above attack, and Alpha jets can use 70mm rockets)

if the valour does not defend, the F-7 guided missiles will impact on the ship in about 15 seconds after being fired and could land on an umkhonto launch cell to trigger self destruction explosions on the ships, or they could just on their own punch holes in the ship more and more to sink it.

the F-7 jets pull up at about 12km above sea level and remain safe from umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles after a reduction in altitude by about 1km during the firing and targeting of the guided missiles.

2 F-7 jet missiles have damaged the valour frigate and the F-7 jets launch 90mm rocket attacks from same rear/stern position of the valour frigates. Alpha jets, L-39 jets, MBB 339 jets join in the multiple rocket attacks using both 45 degree and 90 degree dive on the valour frigates and set the ships on fire and punch holes to start sinking.

the south african navy valour frigates all sink to the sea bottom in nigerian territorial waters.

the 2 submarines have no support anymore to continue the naval blockade on nigeria, also they must return home to defend against a possible nigerian navy counter attack by a spy satellite supported fleet including NNS Aradu with Otomat missiles, NNS Thunder with armed augusta attack helicopter, NNS Anyam with exocet missiles which can sink the entire remaining south african navy if care is not taken....south africa has no satellite to detect the coming and arrival of nigerian navy warships in its EEZ zone of a massive U-shaped almost 3,000 km long poorly defended coastline.


CONCLUSION :


nigeria wins the naval blockade war. south african naval power reduced by 70% with sinking of 3 out of its 4 valour frigate warships.


no country in all Africa can penetrate nigerian coastal or seaward defenses. no african country can land and survive on nigerian shore lands.


Signed

Agaugust

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Augustine Again: .



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[size=16pt] Air and Sea Combat Simulation : Nigeria Vs South Africa [/size]

due to the ban i got as @Agaugust making this post afew hours ago, i have decided to rewrite a much shorter and less detailed version of the war simulation to avaoid another ban.

i will appreciate if readers can be honest about the facts in this posts and that the south africans avaoid telling liesw and making false technical cliams just to win an argument on internet....and lose a war in reality

i will start by saying that we have settled some issues with posts i made against arguments from south africans in the past three months :

nigerian navy has 40 otomat anti-ship missiles with range 80km-180km

nigerian air force has about 12 each newly upgraded Alpha Jets, MBB 339 Jets, L-39 Jets, and F-7 jets making a total of about 50 currently upgraded and active jet fighters/light ground attack aircraft.

nigerian air force and NIS have 4 ATR-42 Surveyor maritime aircrafts with radar range 330km

and very modern and powerful anti-jamming/electronic warfare capabilities

nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft has longe range sea search cameras

nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft and also infra red search capability and optical view panoramic bubble windows

nigerian four ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft can all together track 400 targets at a single time and cover the entire nigerian EEZ waters at one single time.

nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft carries and launches drones - UAVs

nigeria has TRACON nationwide air radar coverage of about 500km

nigerian navy has about 20 coastal radar stations covering the entire nigerian coast

nigerian coastal radars have range up over 500km including the new ones that extend down the gulf of guinea.

nigerian F-7 jets have PL-9C air to air missiles with 22km range, Atoll missiles with 15km range and 90mm air to ground rockets with 7km range

nigerian F-7 jets have reconnaisance/spy capabilities and secondary recce/search and ground attack role.

nigerian F-7 jets have radar range between 15km to 37km including air to surface radar capability for air to ground attack

nigerian F-7 jets have HUD and computerized visual range electro-optical sight targeting plus guided missile lock

nigerian alpha jets have bombs and rockets for air to ground attack.

nigeria has spy satellites

nigeria has spy balloons

nigeria has drones - UAV

nigeria has 660 artillery guns including 50 mobile palmaria 30km range artillery

south african navy Valour frigates stealth capability according to Blohm + Voss, the designers, claim has the radar signature of a vessel one-half her size, and still has infra-red emmisions making it visible to radar as a 60m size warship instead of the actual size of 120m.

on a radar screen the south african valour frigate will be seen and detected as the same size of NNS Anyam of nigeria a missile armed fast attack warship.

south african navy valour frigate warships are stealth but still very visible to radar for detection and can be tracked and detected by infra-red emmissions too.

south african valour frigate has only 16 umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles and can NOT be reloaded at sea by itself

there is only one CIWS, a DENEL 35mm medium gun on the valour frigate with limited elevation and CANNOT shooot vertically upwards.

the 76mm heavy/main gun of the valour frigate CANNOT shoot down a supersonic missile and cannot fire straight up vertically or backwards due to limited elevation and traverse.

valour frigate's umkhonto anti-aircraft missile has a maximum horizontal or parabolic range of 15km.

valour frigate's umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles CANNOT harm any aircraft flying at 11km above sea level becasuse the maximum altitude the umkhonto missile can climb vertically up is only 10km.


ASSUMPTIONS :

nigeria will not use home made Epe rockets/missiles said to have a range of 120km and linked

to satellite guidance

south africa's 3 valour frigates survived miraculously from the thousands of coastal artillery

shells fired by nigerian army in a surprise attack.

nigeria and south africa will not import any new weapons, equipment or ordnance

nigeria will not use the 2014 delivery two new stealth warships on order from china

nigeria will not use the super puma and puma helicopters that are equipped to launch nigerian navy's 40 exocet MM38 anti-ship missiles

nigeria not use any of 12 Fennec anti-submarine helicopters on order from france

there will be NO 3rd party foreign military intervention force from any other country.


ENGAGEMENT :

3 south african navy valour frigate warships enter nigerian EEZ waters to effect a naval blockade of nigerian seas.

the enemy ships are sighted and tracked 24 hours by nigerian satellites long before they arrive.

they are also accompanied by 2 Type 209 submarines.

all nigerian warships are withdrawn to safe harbour and behind decoy of fishing vessels, thus beyond reach of enemy submarines in shalow waters and harbour.

the 3 south african ships daily patrol the entire nigerian waters in this invasion, from continental shelf to exclusive economic zone limits.

all nigerian radars from coast and aircraft, as well as space satellites and spy air balloons monitor all 3 south african warships 24 hours daily and communicate location to all military units engaged.

fear of hundreds of nigerian army artillery bombardment from the coast with range 15km to 30km shelling, which would have sunk all the valour frigates, makes them to run away from nigerian coast to 50km off the shores

the above withdrawal already weakens the naval blockade and gives more room to nigerian flat bottom crude oil barges to sail freely along the shallow coastline to export oil as well as the nigerian west african gas pipeline continues oil exports easily to the whole world.

NNS Aradu from safe harbour fires 4 deadly Otomat sea skimming/near water surface hugging anti-ship missiles and sinks a valour frigate to the sea bottom in some minutes.

the other 2 south african valour frigates wherever they are located, are both simultaneously engaged by a squadron of mixed F-7 jets and Alpha jets with ATR-42 Surveyors long range away about 30km giving all needed electronic, radar, and TV camera support of the operations and serving as command and control.

at about 13km above sea level, near stall speed, 45 degree dive attack on stern/aft/rear of the valour frigate, F-7 jets fire with boresight computer/optical targeting, 18 SRAAM guided missiles in perfectly timed sequence/intervals and the valour defends with only 16 umkhonto missiles to stop 16 of the F-7 jets 18 missiles.

(the F-7 jets can also use 90mm multiple rockets for the above attack, and Alpha jets can use 70mm rockets)

if the valour does not defend, the F-7 guided missiles will impact on the ship in about 15 seconds after being fired and could land on an umkhonto launch cell to trigger self destruction explosions on the ships.

the F-7 jets pull up at about 12km above sea level and remain safe from umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles after a reduction in altitude by about 1km during the firing and targeting of the guided missiles.

2 F-7 jet missiles have damaged the valour frigate and the F-7 jets launch 90mm rocket attacks from same rear/stern position of the valour frigates. Alpha jets join in the multiple rocket attacks using both 45 degree and 90 degree dive on the valour frigates and set the ships on fire and punch holes to start sinking.

the south african navy valour frigates all sink in nigerian territorial waters.

the 2 submarines have no support anymore tpo continue the naval blockade on nigeria, also they must return home to defend against a nigerian navy counter attack by NNS Aradu with Otomat missiles, NNS Thunder with armed augusta attack helicopter, NNS Anyam with exocet missiles which can sink the entire remaining south african navy if care is not taken....south africa has no satellite to detect the coming and arrival of nigerian navy warships in its EEZ zone of a massive U-shaped almost 3,000 km long poorly defended coastline.

nigeria wins the naval blockade war, and south african naval power is reduced by 70% with the sinking of 3 out of 4 valour frigate warships.

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You can 5000 ottomats. It is launch platforms.

Can you proof those mb 339 are still in serves.


You talking bull anout your ATR42s. You have no drones they can launch.

Have you ever tried to hit a target from 7km away. Just because it says 7km does not mean you fire from 7km away.

The f7 is a interceptor. All those secondary roles are that. Secondary.

You menstion a lot of radars with nothing to do with the simmulastion. How does radar ment for air control help you out. Not to menstion the valour is stealthie and events that took place in china and exersize with far more compotened nastions than nigeria makes me not worry about your radar.

You bragging about sytems that all fighters since a llong time have. Even a mig 21

Yes those bomb and rockets will force your jets low and close. Making them perfect targets.


That are not on stastion 24/7. Satlites are not the all seeing god eye you make them out to be.

I actualy wonder about this. What is it's range, speed and is it operstional.

Drones that are mostly not operstional but only in the test phase.


All of witch are meangless since we don't need to close in to 30km. By the way I spoke to gunner freind. The 76mm ottolelar has a 20km range but there are 40km rounds comming out soon. Just saying.

Yes that size means it blends in, all so makes EW/ECM easyer to hide/safe the ship. Has for IR the valour exhast gase are water cooled and pumped bellow the water line and pre wetting removes the removes the rest of the ir signiter from the hull and super structer.

Yes but the vallour has far more in eltronics to help it out. Dur to being bigger


So we reload ashore or use DKGB. No frigat can reload there missiels of that size at sea. All so there are 16 extra cells that could lead it to a total 32 umkhotos.

And you going to fly vertcaly down from the top dive bomb styl with umkhotos closing in on you. And the gun has a 85+ elvastion that is prety good better than block 0 and 1 phalnks and the same has the block 18. So your point is?

The 76mm has a 85 degree elvastion and a 360 degree travis at 60 degree a second speed and a 120rpm rate of fire.

And that out ranges all your air to sea wepaons.

Again out ranges every thing you have that can threaten the valour.

Your epe missiels are littel test rockets and unguided. And your satlits can not perform the guidancy in any case.

Why would we close in that close to the coast? And you have never explained how you will run the logistics for all those guns.


Because they will chewd up and spat out.

Nigeria does not have air lanched exocets.

Yes because the anti supmarine that is why

How you going trake them 24 hours. Just because you want them to be.


Thus giving our subs free rain to deploy recces to conduct sabotage has you have blocked your self in.

Really. From 50 km away we can still stop enough ships to effectvly starve nigeria concidring those bulk carrers have to sail beyond that rang sooner or later and we can trake them with radar and interdect with rhibs(since you know your fleet is hiding)


No the valour easly stops the missiels with var better defences sytems and returns fire to sink you littel boat.

And all your fighters are shot down the end you loose again because you are fool.

You going to fire AAMs at the valour? Ok you crazy. They not going to hit the valours ECM suit and ir masking sytems make it prety hard target. Not to menstion how you going to guid them for the termnail phase? With a air searth radar?

All of witch put you in range of death.

Even if a umkhonto does exploded it is containted to the cell.

You missiels all missied because you launched air to air missiels at a ground target from a fight with out the proper rader sytem to even trake a valour. I don't even think data link to perfom a attack from that range. Then they all shot down when the close in to closer to use rockets.

No nigeria looses it's air force in there own waters.



Onc again you show you are a utter fool with zero knowelge of what you speak. Best stop embarsing your self

20 killed Nigeria terrorist attack

Tag: Nigeria, Boko Haram, Abuja, Damboa, AK 47

Last Updated: Sunday, October 06, 2013, 21:24

Abuja: At least 20 people, including 15 suspected Boko Haram militants and five civilians, died on Sunday in a fresh attack by the armed Islamic sect in a sleepy town in Nigeria's northeastern Maiduin Borno state, Xinhua reported citing an army official said.

The attack took place at Damboa, 87 km from Maiduguri, Borno state's capital, around 4.30 am, acting spokesman of the 7 Division of the Nigerian Army, Aliyu Danja, said in a statement reaching Xinhua.

"The terrorists, whose strength is unknown, sneaked into the town at about 4.30 am, attacked worshippers in a mosque and killed five of them who came to say their morning prayers," Danja said.

He said the insurgents burnt down the palace of the local chief, his house and some shops around the area but said some army troops intercepted the insurgents and engaged them in a shootout, leading to the death of 15 of the attackers while others fled in disarray.

"Fifteen Boko Haram terrorists were killed in the early hours of today when troops of 21 Brigade under 7 Division encountered Boko Haram terrorists in Damboa Local Government area of Borno State," he added.

"While they were unleashing their mayhem, troops under the 7 Division engaged the terrorists killing 15 in the process while others fled in disarray. Efforts are on to trace and destroy the feeling terrorists," he said.

He said one rocket-propelled grenade tube, two rocket-propelled grenade bombs, five AK 47 rifles, a pickup van and assorted ammunition were recovered from the scene of the shootout.

He urged residents to be conscious of strange movement of persons around their localities and assured the army's commitment "to bring Boko Haram menace to an end".

Attacks have been on rise in recent months in Borno, a state bordering Cameroon, Niger and Chad, where the threat from al Qaeda's north African branch AQIM is looming.

The Boko Haram sect seeks to enshrine the Islamic sharia law into the constitution and has declared war against Western education.

IANS


First Published: Sunday, October 06, 2013, 21:24

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/20-killed-nigeria-terrorist-attack_881469.html

Mike..ZA:
Show us were Nigeria artillery destroyed tanks,APCs,SAMs,infantry,fighter planes and airfields. Show us any tank battle by your army,which will be build base to your current tank commanders. Your achieve that stuff because you rally on numbers against disorganised rebels. Your army can be pinned down by artillery while sitting trying to bridge a minefield.

That is what war simulation is about. Recount please how may countries the world over have engaged in tank combat etc.? Does this mean they are going to be no good when it actually comes to real life tank warfare?

Your current crop of officers haven't engaged in real life tank warfare. Does this also mean they will be unable to engage another tank?

You also seem to think the Nigerian Army School of Artillery is just there for decoration or they don't know how to engage the enemy.

The Swedes from whom you bought your gripen jets, they haven't engaged in any dog fights. Does this mean they won't be able to or will be incompetent?

Please, I know we are all patriotic and want the best for our countries and like to blow our trumpets a bit, but lets not make baseless statements.

Hahaha....these so called simulations are funny. You're going to hide Aradu behind what? A fishing trawler? Who does that? . Aradu will run aground in shallow water, so it has to be in deep water. You cant use any natural shallow water obstructions because you would have sunk Aradu trying to get to them. Meaning whatever you hide it behind must be a large heavy structure. A large structure below water makes it impossible for Aradu to move. You've trapped your only ship. It will take you two weeks to find enough material to hide it in deep water from torpedos, and another two weeks to remove that material.

If your naval commanders are dumb enough to do that, our special forces will thank you very much. Under the cover of darkness they get deployed from submarines and simply place explosives on Aradu. Very easy job. In 20/30m of water there's very little chance of being detected. There goes your rust buck, up in flames. And dont say this is impossible. SA special forces placed tracking devices on Russian ships in Mozambiquean ports during the Border War....did it numerous times without being detected.

saengine: Hahaha....these so called simulations are funny. You're going to hide Aradu behind what? A fishing trawler? Who does that? . Aradu will run aground in shallow water, so it has to be in deep water. You cant use any natural shallow water obstructions because you would have sunk Aradu trying to get to them. Meaning whatever you hide it behind must be a large heavy structure. A large structure below water makes it impossible for Aradu to move. You've trapped your only ship. It will take you two weeks to find enough material to hide it in deep water from torpedos, and another two weeks to remove that material.

If your naval commanders are dumb enough to do that, our special forces will thank you very much. Under the cover of darkness they get deployed from submarines and simply place explosives on Aradu. Very easy job. In 20/30m of water there's very little chance of being detected. There goes your rust buck, up in flames. And dont say this is impossible. SA special forces placed tracking devices on Russian ships in Mozambiquean ports during the Border War....did it numerous times without being detected.

Even if that was the scenario, I suppose the navy SBS divers will just be idling by doing nothing while Aradu is blown up nor the Army Amphibious chaps.

There again, the border war, past glories. As if nobody else can do the same.

Ok, that will work.

saengine: Hahaha....these so called simulations are funny. You're going to hide Aradu behind what? A fishing trawler? Who does that? . Aradu will run aground in shallow water, so it has to be in deep water. You cant use any natural shallow water obstructions because you would have sunk Aradu trying to get to them. Meaning whatever you hide it behind must be a large heavy structure. A large structure below water makes it impossible for Aradu to move. You've trapped your only ship. It will take you two weeks to find enough material to hide it in deep water from torpedos, and another two weeks to remove that material.

If your naval commanders are dumb enough to do that, our special forces will thank you very much. Under the cover of darkness they get deployed from submarines and simply place explosives on Aradu. Very easy job. In 20/30m of water there's very little chance of being detected. There goes your rust buck, up in flames. And dont say this is impossible. SA special forces placed tracking devices on Russian ships in Mozambiquean ports during the Border War....did it numerous times without being detected.

how will south african special forces leave your ship on a boat from high seas and enter nigerian shores, land, walk into nigerian navy base, enter NNS Aradu and put explosives on the nigerian warship inside nigerian navy base with nigerian soldiers and navy special forces all around ?

you mean your navy men use african spiritual power to move around invisible or what ? you must have received kolomental brain damage from NNS Aradu Otomat missile and your head don dey scatter and your hair turn to dada

NNS Aradu is in safe harbour. all over the world, giant ships dont run aground inside a naval base harbour. Fool

Egypt's navy docked a warship in safe harbour during Arab-Israeli war and it fired anti-ahip missile and sank Israeli navy warship that was on the open sea. you dont know ar history and combat tactics. Fool

nigerian navy will sink the whole south african navy fleet of stealth warships in any attempted naval blockage against nigeria. i have proved that FACT !!!

a warship sitting down in safe harbour under will sink an enemy warship that is exposed in the open sea. educate yourself below, soweto fool


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Service as Eilat and sinking :

But around an hour later, another Egyptian Komar class missile boat from Port Said harbour fired two more Styx missiles at the Eilat. The third missile hit the Eilat amidships, causing more damage and further fires, while the fourth went astray and crashed in the water nearby. The Eilat sank about two minutes later. Out of a crew of 199, 47 were killed and another 41 were wounded "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Zealous_(R39)

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andrewza:


You can 5000 ottomats. It is launch platforms.

Can you proof those mb 339 are still in serves.


You talking bull anout your ATR42s. You have no drones they can launch.

Have you ever tried to hit a target from 7km away. Just because it says 7km does not mean you fire from 7km away.

The f7 is a interceptor. All those secondary roles are that. Secondary.

You menstion a lot of radars with nothing to do with the simmulastion. How does radar ment for air control help you out. Not to menstion the valour is stealthie and events that took place in china and exersize with far more compotened nastions than nigeria makes me not worry about your radar.

You bragging about sytems that all fighters since a llong time have. Even a mig 21

Yes those bomb and rockets will force your jets low and close. Making them perfect targets.


That are not on stastion 24/7. Satlites are not the all seeing god eye you make them out to be.

I actualy wonder about this. What is it's range, speed and is it operstional.

Drones that are mostly not operstional but only in the test phase.


All of witch are meangless since we don't need to close in to 30km. By the way I spoke to gunner freind. The 76mm ottolelar has a 20km range but there are 40km rounds comming out soon. Just saying.

Yes that size means it blends in, all so makes EW/ECM easyer to hide/safe the ship. Has for IR the valour exhast gase are water cooled and pumped bellow the water line and pre wetting removes the removes the rest of the ir signiter from the hull and super structer.

Yes but the vallour has far more in eltronics to help it out. Dur to being bigger


So we reload ashore or use DKGB. No frigat can reload there missiels of that size at sea. All so there are 16 extra cells that could lead it to a total 32 umkhotos.

And you going to fly vertcaly down from the top dive bomb styl with umkhotos closing in on you. And the gun has a 85+ elvastion that is prety good better than block 0 and 1 phalnks and the same has the block 18. So your point is?

The 76mm has a 85 degree elvastion and a 360 degree travis at 60 degree a second speed and a 120rpm rate of fire.

And that out ranges all your air to sea wepaons.

Again out ranges every thing you have that can threaten the valour.

Your epe missiels are littel test rockets and unguided. And your satlits can not perform the guidancy in any case.

Why would we close in that close to the coast? And you have never explained how you will run the logistics for all those guns.


Because they will chewd up and spat out.

Nigeria does not have air lanched exocets.

Yes because the anti supmarine that is why

How you going trake them 24 hours. Just because you want them to be.


Thus giving our subs free rain to deploy recces to conduct sabotage has you have blocked your self in.

Really. From 50 km away we can still stop enough ships to effectvly starve nigeria concidring those bulk carrers have to sail beyond that rang sooner or later and we can trake them with radar and interdect with rhibs(since you know your fleet is hiding)


No the valour easly stops the missiels with var better defences sytems and returns fire to sink you littel boat.

And all your fighters are shot down the end you loose again because you are fool.

You going to fire AAMs at the valour? Ok you crazy. They not going to hit the valours ECM suit and ir masking sytems make it prety hard target. Not to menstion how you going to guid them for the termnail phase? With a air searth radar?

All of witch put you in range of death.

Even if a umkhonto does exploded it is containted to the cell.

You missiels all missied because you launched air to air missiels at a ground target from a fight with out the proper rader sytem to even trake a valour. I don't even think data link to perfom a attack from that range. Then they all shot down when the close in to closer to use rockets.

No nigeria looses it's air force in there own waters.



Onc again you show you are a utter fool with zero knowelge of what you speak. Best stop embarsing your self

i am not a novice in military warfare. when i have scored a clean and clear goal...i know it.

i will reply your senseless comments in detail later only when i have time to waste a little. the battle is already won...i have peace of mind.

R.I.P south african navy valour frigates....nigerian sea waters is your final resting place.

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rka1:

That is what war simulation is about. Recount please how may countries the world over have engaged in tank combat etc.? Does this mean they are going to be no good when it actually comes to real life tank warfare?

Your current crop of officers haven't engaged in real life tank warfare. Does this also mean they will be unable to engage another tank?

You also seem to think the Nigerian Army School of Artillery is just there for decoration or they don't know how to engage the enemy.

The Swedes from whom you bought your gripen jets, they haven't engaged in any dog fights. Does this mean they won't be able to or will be incompetent?

Please, I know we are all patriotic and want the best for our countries and like to blow our trumpets a bit, but lets not make baseless statements.

Yes,example being Israel through fighting that trained it tanks crews in long range gunnery. Why was the T-35 not effective in the hands of North Korean troops? But was feared when the Soviets were using it. 1. African countries are poor and we don't have massive supply capabilities. 2. Which is why it is crucial to develop tactics for the African battlefield which will only come from experience. 3. African air forces fighting capabilities can't be compared to NATO countries who host a lot of training exercises. 4. Dogfight tactics are developed from combat experience like Israel's "four fingers" 5. Nigerian artillery pieces are obsolete and what do they use to track and select targets?,South Africa uses drones,special forces and ratels to mention a few. Where did we learn all this? Yes THE BUSHWAR!!!!! 6. Do you know the current commander of the SANDF tank regiment? Read about his story. 7. Your army rallies on numbers against rebels,but that won't be possible faced with a technological advanced country like SA. 8. How dare you rank Nigeria above SA with that lack experience 9. Remember wars are not just about armies and Generals,economics and politics are involved. 10.If the prospect of war between SA and Nigeria was real both countries would rearm their forces. But Nigeria would lose a lot of money purchasing foreign made weapons and spares. Which are not fitted for the African battlefield and need a lot of supplies to be effective. Example being your MI-35 helicopter which needs an airfield to rearm and fuel,which will mean you gonna have to pull jets from going to the front lines to defend a airfield or anti aircraft missiles.

andrewza:

And nigeria has done this? Don't menstion serrie leon or liberria. Reports written by nigerian senior officers menstion they needed western logistcal support and many of there vechiles where not used due to the strain on logistcs.


SAN conducted a corvert war during the border war with a lone ship or sub deploying SF teams. Or evacing solders.

Covert war that only AndrewZA is aware of? SF teams? Deployed in your dreams? What have you been cooking up lately?

@AUGUSTUS HERE IS THE SOUTH AFRICAN ANSWER TO THE ELECTRONIC WARFARE AIRCRAFT.....AS I SAID TO YOU BEFORE SOUTH HAD THESE TOYS FOR OVER 30 YEARS BEFORE NIGERIA COULD EVEN THINK OF ONE

Role: Air-to-air refueling, electronic surveillance/warfare, command and control post for fighter aircraft.

Description: Boeing with reconfigurable main cabin for passenger seats or cargo pallets. Additional fuel tanks in cargo holds. Retractable hoses on each wingtip and in rear fuselage which allows for simultaneous refueling of three fighters

SANDF SNIPERS IN THE DR CONGO CAUSES HAVOC TO THE M23

Augustine Again:

how will south african special forces leave your ship on a boat from high seas and enter nigerian shores, land, walk into nigerian navy base, enter NNS Aradu and put explosives on the nigerian warship inside nigerian navy base with nigerian soldiers and navy special forces all around ?

you mean your navy men use african spiritual power to move around invisible or what ? you must have received kolomental brain damage from NNS Aradu Otomat missile and your head don dey scatter and your hair turn to dada

NNS Aradu is in safe harbour. all over the world, giant ships dont run aground inside a naval base harbour. Fool

Egypt's navy docked a warship in safe harbour during Arab-Israeli war and it fired anti-ahip missile and sank Israeli navy warship that was on the open sea. you dont know ar history and combat tactics. Fool

nigerian navy will sink the whole south african navy fleet of stealth warships in any attempted naval blockage against nigeria. i have proved that FACT !!!

a warship sitting down in safe harbour under will sink an enemy warship that is exposed in the open sea. educate yourself below, soweto fool


"
Service as Eilat and sinking :

But around an hour later, another Egyptian Komar class missile boat from Port Said harbour fired two more Styx missiles at the Eilat. The third missile hit the Eilat amidships, causing more damage and further fires, while the fourth went astray and crashed in the water nearby. The Eilat sank about two minutes later. Out of a crew of 199, 47 were killed and another 41 were wounded "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Zealous_(R39)

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They will leave from a submarine and dive there. Then place exploseves under the hull. Same way it has been done since WW2.

Harbours have save chanels you are blocking with fishing boats. Remember.

The missiel boat was not in the harbor when it fired.

Augustine Again:


i am not a novice in military warfare. when i have scored a clean and clear goal...i know it.

i will reply your senseless comments in detail later only when i have time to waste a little. the battle is already won...i have peace of mind.

R.I.P south african navy valour frigates....nigerian sea waters is your final resting place.

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In stead of embarsing your self why don't you admit you a ignorant fool with rocks for brains.

NaijaPikinGidi:

Covert war that only AndrewZA is aware of? SF teams? Deployed in your dreams? What have you been cooking up lately?

Only me? There are 3 books writen about it. There was a milltary funrail for a retied admarial 2 months ago who had a medal for bravary for corvert ops conducted from a sub. Hell even russians knew about it but could not stop it.

I was to busy making you a new brother in your mother to cook food for you.

Augustine Again:

how will south african special forces leave your ship on a boat from high seas and enter nigerian shores, land, walk into nigerian navy base, enter NNS Aradu and put explosives on the nigerian warship inside nigerian navy base with nigerian soldiers and navy special forces all around ?

you mean your navy men use african spiritual power to move around invisible or what ? you must have received kolomental brain damage from NNS Aradu Otomat missile and your head don dey scatter and your hair turn to dada

NNS Aradu is in safe harbour. all over the world, giant ships dont run aground inside a naval base harbour. Fool

Egypt's navy docked a warship in safe harbour during Arab-Israeli war and it fired anti-ahip missile and sank Israeli navy warship that was on the open sea. you dont know ar history and combat tactics. Fool

nigerian navy will sink the whole south african navy fleet of stealth warships in any attempted naval blockage against nigeria. i have proved that FACT !!!

a warship sitting down in safe harbour under will sink an enemy warship that is exposed in the open sea. educate yourself below, soweto fool


"
Service as Eilat and sinking :

But around an hour later, another Egyptian Komar class missile boat from Port Said harbour fired two more Styx missiles at the Eilat. The third missile hit the Eilat amidships, causing more damage and further fires, while the fourth went astray and crashed in the water nearby. The Eilat sank about two minutes later. Out of a crew of 199, 47 were killed and another 41 were wounded "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Zealous_(R39)

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Fool. Reading is fundamental. I said escape from the submarine. SA Navy divers and special forces are trained to exit a submarine while it's still under water using aqualungs. Explosives are placed on the bottom of the ship while under water, so no walking is needed.....making this whole comment of yours a waste of space. Doing this at night would make them harder to find.

All harbours that berth large ships are dug out to make the water deep enough not to run aground. So the point remains....if you have the stupid idea of "hiding" Aradu behind trawlers and rubbish from torpedoes, your Aradu is trapped. Making it a sitting duck.

http://www.dailytrust.info/index.php/news/7051-military-begins-joint-training-with-us-uk-others

Go to school now!; 1 samuel 10

Not another retarde.d simulation.

Mike..ZA:
Yes,example being Israel through fighting that trained it tanks crews in long range gunnery. Why was the T-35 not effective in the hands of North Korean troops? But was feared when the Soviets were using it. 1. African countries are poor and we don't have massive supply capabilities. 2. Which is why it is crucial to develop tactics for the African battlefield which will only come from experience. 3. African air forces fighting capabilities can't be compared to NATO countries who host a lot of training exercises. 4. Dogfight tactics are developed from combat experience like Israel's "four fingers" 5. Nigerian artillery pieces are obsolete and what do they use to track and select targets?,South Africa uses drones,special forces and ratels to mention a few. Where did we learn all this? Yes THE BUSHWAR!!!!! 6. Do you know the current commander of the SANDF tank regiment? Read about his story. 7. Your army rallies on numbers against rebels,but that won't be possible faced with a technological advanced country like SA. 8. How dare you rank Nigeria above SA with that lack experience 9. Remember wars are not just about armies and Generals,economics and politics are involved. 10.If the prospect of war between SA and Nigeria was real both countries would rearm their forces. But Nigeria would lose a lot of money purchasing foreign made weapons and spares. Which are not fitted for the African battlefield and need a lot of supplies to be effective. Example being your MI-35 helicopter which needs an airfield to rearm and fuel,which will mean you gonna have to pull jets from going to the front lines to defend a airfield or anti aircraft missiles.

I don't know why you keep saying Nigerian Army artillery pieces are obsolete. You have been educated enough times on this forum for me to repeat it all.

You haven't got a clue about the capabilities of the armed forces of Nigeria and I can see I will be wasting my time with you.

I have never ranked anybody above anybody else and how dare YOU question me?

You don't know the capabilities of the Nigerian Armoured Corp, so keep your delusions of grandeur to yourself. I thought I was conversing with someone sensible.

Enough said

Three Special Operations Troops Drown During Exercise
by African Defence Admin • October 7, 2013

Three foreign members of the special forces participating in the SADC war games drowned after two boats they were using capsized during an early morning operation off the coast from Sandwich harbour.

The bodies of two soldiers – one from Malawi and another from South Africa – were washed ashore while the body of another South African is still missing. At the time of going to press, an intense search for the body was in progress.

According to available information, the incident happened between 03h00 and 04h00 yesterday [October 6] morning during an offshore operation involving four boats and a total of 32 soldiers. Two of the boats capsized due to rough seas. About 16 soldiers were affected by the accident.

However, besides the three, the other members of the team managed to swim to the shore.

The tragedy struck only days before the exercise comes to a close tomorrow [October 8].

This is the first SADC special forces multi-national war simulation exercise, code-named “Exercise Welwitschia”, held in Namibia. It started last month. More than 700 soldiers from eight SADC nations participated in a variety maneuvres around Walvis Bay and along the coast. Namibia was chosen to host the exercise because of its desert environment, believed to offer unique exercise conditions for the special forces.

The deceased could not be identified because of their nationality and the nature and circumstances of the incident. It is believed a special statement will be issued by the Namibian Ministry of Defence.

Erongo’s regional crime investigation co-ordinator, deputy commissioner Ottilie Kashuupulwa confirmed the accident and said that the Namibian police will be part of the investigation into the circumstances leading to the tragedy.

As reported by Adam Hartman for The Namibian

Henry120: Three Special Operations Troops Drown During Exercise
by African Defence Admin • October 7, 2013

Three foreign members of the special forces participating in the SADC war games drowned after two boats they were using capsized during an early morning operation off the coast from Sandwich harbour.

The bodies of two soldiers – one from Malawi and another from South Africa – were washed ashore while the body of another South African is still missing. At the time of going to press, an intense search for the body was in progress.

According to available information, the incident happened between 03h00 and 04h00 yesterday [October 6] morning during an offshore operation involving four boats and a total of 32 soldiers. Two of the boats capsized due to rough seas. About 16 soldiers were affected by the accident.

However, besides the three, the other members of the team managed to swim to the shore.

The tragedy struck only days before the exercise comes to a close tomorrow [October 8].

This is the first SADC special forces multi-national war simulation exercise, code-named “Exercise Welwitschia”, held in Namibia. It started last month. More than 700 soldiers from eight SADC nations participated in a variety maneuvres around Walvis Bay and along the coast. Namibia was chosen to host the exercise because of its desert environment, believed to offer unique exercise conditions for the special forces.

The deceased could not be identified because of their nationality and the nature and circumstances of the incident. It is believed a special statement will be issued by the Namibian Ministry of Defence.

Erongo’s regional crime investigation co-ordinator, deputy commissioner Ottilie Kashuupulwa confirmed the accident and said that the Namibian police will be part of the investigation into the circumstances leading to the tragedy.

As reported by Adam Hartman for The Namibian

The sea is a dangouris place, at least 16 of them made it a shoar.


My greatest fear is being washed over board.

andrewza:


The sea is a dangouris place, at least 16 of them made it a shoar.


My greatest fear is being washed over board.

Yeah, it's a pity, and quite saddening. the military, and been a special forces soldier in particular is a dangerous job.

Henry120:

Yeah, it's a pity, and quite saddening. the military, and been a special forces soldier in particular is a dangerous job.

I know of a marin that sliped and fell in to the ocean whil in full gear. He went straight down.

If you watch saving privat ryan beach assult there is a solder who gets tageld with his straps and gear and drowns.

zetdee: Not another retarde.d simulation.

That's cos you read the article with a reetarded point of view.

Aljazeera airing a documentary on the 1973 yum kipor war. Egypt and syria VS isreal. Tune in and watch. Documentary ends 10pm nigerian time.

Henry120: Three Special Operations Troops Drown During Exercise
by African Defence Admin • October 7, 2013

Three foreign members of the special forces participating in the SADC war games drowned after two boats they were using capsized during an early morning operation off the coast from Sandwich harbour.

The bodies of two soldiers – one from Malawi and another from South Africa – were washed ashore while the body of another South African is still missing. At the time of going to press, an intense search for the body was in progress.

saengine:

If your naval commanders are dumb enough to do that, our special forces will thank you very much. Under the cover of darkness they get deployed from submarines and simply place explosives on Aradu. Very easy job. In 20/30m of water there's very little chance of being detected. There goes your rust buck, up in flames. And dont say this is impossible. SA special forces placed tracking devices on Russian ships in Mozambiquean ports during the Border War....did it numerous times without being detected.

nigerian navy underwater divers and special forces too can go to simons town navl base and plant bombs on all south african navy valour frigates and sink then in your country too .

andrewza:


The sea is a dangouris place, at least 16 of them made it a shoar.

2 south african special forces soldiers drowned in the sea during the training exercise.

if it is nigerian soldiers now, you south africans will all start posting rubbish that they are not good enough and that south africa has the best special forces in africa bla bla bla

not laughing at the dead...may their souls rest in peace.

....but these are the same south african navy sea borne special forces that @saengine was replying to my last NAF/NN vs SANDF navycombat simulation, that they will jump into a small boat from Valour frigate in nigerian waters during the naval blockade and paddle boat to nigerian navy base and enter the base, walk like spirits into NNS Aradu and plant bombs on Aradu and blow it up

the same south african special forces that got carried away by water during multinational training

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[size=16pt] Air and Sea Combat Simulation : Nigeria Vs South Africa [/size]




due to the ban i got as @Agaugust making this post a few hours ago, i have decided to rewrite a much shorter and less detailed version of the war simulation to avaoid another ban, then post as Augustine Again.

i will appreciate if readers can be honest about the facts in this posts and that the south africans avoid telling lies and making false technical claims just to win an argument on internet....and lose a war in reality

i will start by saying that we have settled some issues with posts i made in the past 3 months with sources to prove the facts stated in arguments with south africans :

FACTS :

nigerian navy has 40 otomat anti-ship missiles with range 80km-180km

nigerian air force has about 12 each newly upgraded Alpha Jets, MBB 339 Jets, L-39 Jets, and F-7 jets making a total of about 50 currently upgraded and active jet fighters/light ground attack aircraft.

nigerian air force and NIS have four ATR-42 Surveyor maritime aircrafts with radar range 330km and very modern and powerful anti-jamming/electronic warfare capabilities

nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft has longe range sea search/monitoring real-time TV cameras

nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft and also infra red night search capability and optical view panoramic bubble windows

nigerian four ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft can all together track 400 targets at a single time and cover the entire nigerian EEZ waters at one single time.

nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft carries and launches drones - UAVs

nigeria has TRACON nationwide air radar coverage of about 500km

nigerian navy has about 20 coastal radar stations covering the entire nigerian coast

nigerian coastal radars have range up over 500km including the new ones that extend down the gulf of guinea.

the nigerian jets fighters too have their own anti-jamming/electronic warfare suites and chaff/flare dispenser counter measures, especially the 12 MBB 339 which just had an $84 million major upgrade in Italy about last year.

nigerian F-7 jets have PL-9C air to air missiles with 22km range, Atoll missiles with 15km range and 90mm air to ground rockets with 7km range

nigerian F-7 jets have reconnaisance/spy capabilities and secondary recce/search and ground attack role.

nigerian F-7 jets have radar range between 15km to 37km including air to surface radar capability for air to ground attack

nigerian F-7 jets have HUD and computerized visual range electro-optical sight targeting plus guided missile lock

nigerian alpha jets have bombs and rockets for air to ground attack.

nigeria has spy satellites

nigeria has spy balloons

nigeria has drones - UAV

nigeria has 660 artillery guns including 50 mobile palmaria 30km range artillery

south african navy Valour frigates stealth capability according to Blohm + Voss, the designers, claim has the radar signature of a vessel one-half her size, and still has infra-red emmisions making it visible to radar as a 60m size warship instead of the actual size of 120m.

on a radar screen the south african valour frigate will be seen and detected as the same size of NNS Anyam of nigeria a missile armed fast attack warship.

south african navy valour frigate warships are stealth but still very visible to radar for detection and can be tracked and detected by infra-red emmissions too.

south african valour frigate has only 16 umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles and can NOT be reloaded at sea by itself

there is only one CIWS, a DENEL 35mm medium gun with only 4km short range, on the valour frigate and with limited elevation and CANNOT shoot vertically upwards.

the 76mm heavy/main gun of the valour frigate CANNOT shoot down a supersonic missile and cannot fire straight up vertically or backwards due to limited elevation and traverse.

valour frigate's umkhonto anti-aircraft missile has a maximum horizontal or parabolic range of 15km.

valour frigate's umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles CANNOT harm any aircraft flying at 11km above sea level becasuse the maximum altitude the umkhonto missile can climb vertically up is only 10km.


ASSUMPTIONS :


nigeria will not use home made Epe rockets/missiles said to have a range of 120km and linked to satellite guidance

south africa's 3 valour frigates survived miraculously (although the ships would have already been sunk to sea bottom in reality by heavy shelling) from the thousands of coastal artillery shells fired by nigerian army in a surprise attack.

nigeria and south africa will not import any new weapons, equipment or ordnance

nigeria will not use the 2014 delivery two new stealth warships on order from china

nigeria will not use the super puma and puma helicopters that are equipped to launch nigerian navy's 40 exocet MM38 anti-ship missiles

nigeria not use any of 12 Fennec anti-submarine helicopters on order from france

there will be NO 3rd party foreign military intervention force from any other country.


COMBAT ENGAGEMENT :


3 south african navy valour frigate warships enter nigerian EEZ waters to effect a naval blockade of nigerian seas.

the enemy ships are sighted and tracked 24 hours by nigerian satellites long before they arrive.

they are also accompanied by 2 Type 209 submarines.

all nigerian warships are withdrawn to safe harbour and behind decoy of fishing vessels, thus beyond reach of enemy submarines in shalow waters and harbour.

the 3 south african ships daily patrol the entire nigerian waters in this invasion, from continental shelf to exclusive economic zone limits.

all nigerian radars from coast and aircraft, as well as space satellites and spy air balloons monitor all 3 south african warships 24 hours daily and communicate location to all military units engaged.

fear of hundreds of nigerian army artillery bombardment from the coast with range 15km to 30km shelling, which would have sunk all the valour frigates, makes them to run away from nigerian coast to 50km off the shores

the above withdrawal already weakens the naval blockade and gives more room to nigerian flat bottom crude oil barges to sail freely along the shallow coastline to export oil as well as the nigerian west african gas pipeline continues oil exports easily to the whole world.

NNS Aradu from safe harbour fires 4 deadly Otomat sea skimming/near water surface hugging anti-ship missiles and sinks a valour frigate to the sea bottom in some minutes.

the other 2 south african valour frigates wherever they are located, are both simultaneously engaged by a squadron of mixed F-7 jets, Alpha jets, L-39 jets, and MBB 339 jets with ATR-42 Surveyors long range away about 30km giving all needed electronic, radar, and TV camera support of the operations and serving as command and control.

at about 13km above sea level, near stall speed, 45 degree dive attack on stern/aft/rear/backside of the valour frigate where the ship is most weak and cannot be defended by its main 76mm gun, F-7 jets fire with boresight computer/optical targeting, 18 SRAAM guided missiles in perfectly timed sequence/intervals and the valour defends with only 16 umkhonto missiles to stop 16 of the F-7 jets 18 missiles.


valour frigate has used up all its 16 umkhonto missiles to stop F-7 jet missiles that have SATURATED the air above the warship and the warship has no anti-aircraft missile defence any more. it becomes an easy target for 7km range air to ground rockets.

this simulation uses the special air to ground attack combat tactic called SATURATION ATTACK which many military analysts/experts including those in south africa have complained as the major weakness of the expensive and over-rated valour frigates of south african navy


"The South African Denel Umkhonto-IR is a short-range (12km) anti-aircraft missile, which is still in its development stage, having been "tested only to a limited extent", while "several navies and air forces already have supersonic anti-ship missiles. How the Umkhonto will deal with these is not known." The frigates can have their capacity doubled to 32 Umkhontos, but will probably carry only eight missiles and so "can easily be swamped by saturation attack *7".

http://www.armsdeal-vpo.co.za/articles10/weak_ships.html




(the F-7 jets can also use 90mm multiple rockets for the above attack, and Alpha jets can use 70mm rockets)

if the valour does not defend, the F-7 guided missiles will impact on the ship in about 15 seconds after being fired and could land on an umkhonto launch cell to trigger self destruction explosions on the ships, or they could just on their own punch holes in the ship more and more to sink it.

the F-7 jets pull up at about 12km above sea level and remain safe from umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles after a reduction in altitude by about 1km during the firing and targeting of the guided missiles.

2 F-7 jet missiles have damaged the valour frigate and the F-7 jets launch 90mm rocket attacks from same rear/stern position of the valour frigates. Alpha jets, L-39 jets, MBB 339 jets join in the multiple rocket attacks using both 45 degree and 90 degree dive on the valour frigates and set the ships on fire and punch holes to start sinking.

the south african navy valour frigates all sink to the sea bottom in nigerian territorial waters.

the 2 submarines have no support anymore to continue the naval blockade on nigeria, also they must return home to defend against a possible nigerian navy counter attack by a spy satellite supported fleet including NNS Aradu with Otomat missiles, NNS Thunder with armed augusta attack helicopter, NNS Anyam with exocet missiles which can sink the entire remaining south african navy if care is not taken....south africa has no satellite to detect the coming and arrival of nigerian navy warships in its EEZ zone of a massive U-shaped almost 3,000 km long poorly defended coastline.


CONCLUSION :


nigeria wins the naval blockade war. south african naval power reduced by 70% with sinking of 3 out of its 4 valour frigate warships.


no country in all Africa can penetrate nigerian coastal or seaward defenses. no African country can land and survive on nigerian territory.

nigeria has one of the top 10 strongest coastal seaward military defenses in the world.


Signed

Agaugust

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@Andrewza, as i said, i will only reply your foolish post for formality sake and to stop you from mis-informing my fellow nigerians with your lies.

@Agaugust in bold font

@Andrewza in normal font


You can 5000 ottomats. It is launch platforms.

nigeria has 40 Otomat missiles and the launch platform is NNS ARADU and this warship is alive and well...giving you nightmares



Can you proof those mb 339 are still in serves.

i hate repeating posts, i did it before, but here it is again..

Nigeria to Spend $84M Upgrading its MB-339A Jets

Finmeccanica subsidiary Alenia Aermacchi has signed a contract with Nigeria's Ministry of Defence for the maintenance and enhancement of 12 MB-339A aircraft based

http://www.xairforces.net/newsd.asp?newsid=238&newst=2#.UlNsJVDOkiW



You talking bull anout your ATR42s. You have no drones they can launch.

the nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor gives you high blood pressure every time i mention the aircraft...now have epilepsy because it can carry and launch nigerian made Amebo drones or Imported Isaeli Aerostar drones

http://beegeagle./2012/12/12/us70-million-shaanxi-zdk-03-karakoram-eagle-aewc-plane-photo-credit-and-report-paf-falcons/



Have you ever tried to hit a target from 7km away. Just because it says 7km does not mean you fire from 7km away.

in an open ocean, it is very easy to hit a target 7km away. you were the one boasting before that south african valour frigate 76mm gun can hit an enemy warship 15km away.

warships since world war II have been hitting and sinking ships 15km away. fool



The f7 is a interceptor. All those secondary roles are that. Secondary.

Gripen jet too has secondary roles and it works. F-7 jet has secondary role of air to ground attack....or what are its bombs and rockets meant for ? christmas fireworks ? fool .

You menstion a lot of radars with nothing to do with the simmulastion. How does radar ment for air control help you out. Not to menstion the valour is stealthie and events that took place in china and exersize with far more compotened nastions than nigeria makes me not worry about
your radar.



german Blohm Voss comany, manufacturers of valour frigate have admitted that the ship is visible to radar at half its real size.

nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircrafts have rel-time long range TV cameras for sea search and monitoring, stealth warships like valour frigate will be seen full size, clean and clear. the nigerian aircraft also has special panoramic ocean view bubble windows plus the TV cameras. the nigerian air force ATR-42 Surveyor is a great nightmare to you...it ruined your naval blockade and ruined south african navy totally



You bragging about sytems that all fighters since a llong time have. Even a mig 21


i am bragging about F-7 jet of 2008 technology, nigerian custom built NI version, the older Mig 21 does not have HUD or PL-9C missiles, i just proved to you that the nigerian airforce you understimated will sink your expensive navy with our cheap F-7 jets. FACT !!!



Yes those bomb and rockets will force your jets low and close. Making them perfect targets.

if your brain is dead, i cannot help you. read my simulation again, no nigerian jet dropped any bomb. rockets are only used by nigerian jets after Valour frigate finishes all its Umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles and the ships become defenceless against jet fighters attacking it from behind and 5km to 7km away. PL-9C missiles have 22km range and fired from 13km against Umkhonto missile that cannot defend above 10km. fool, you are a big time fool



That are not on stastion 24/7. Satlites are not the all seeing god eye you make them out to be.

i used more than just satellites, i also used flying spy balloons, plus radars, plus TV cameras from aircrafts flying as operation command and control centers

I actualy wonder about this. What is it's range, speed and is it operstional.



Drones that are mostly not operstional but only in the test phase.

i did not use any drones...you fool


All of witch are meangless since we don't need to close in to 30km. By the way I spoke to gunner freind. The 76mm ottolelar has a 20km range but there are 40km rounds comming out soon. Just saying.



that 76mm gun Otomelara is useless to save Valour frigate from an air attack coming from jets behind the ship. i studied the Valour frigate very well, i found its weakpoints and i attacked from those areas. i ruined your expensive south african warships



Yes that size means it blends in, all so makes EW/ECM easyer to hide/safe the ship. Has for IR the valour exhast gase are water cooled and pumped bellow the water line and pre wetting removes the removes the rest of the ir signiter from the hull and super structer.

Yes but the vallour has far more in eltronics to help it out. Dur to being bigger



the F-7 jets are looking at the valour frigate and firing guided missiles with boresight/eyesight/electro-optical computer guided targeting of a ship the pilot is clearly looking at...all the pilot does is to guide the missile to the warship by sight...it takes only 15 seconds and the missiles impact on the valour frigates and sink your navy forever...you cannot hide a huge warship that is bigger than 10 houses and sitting down in open sea waters as a sitting duck for enemy jet fighters to roast for dinner



So we reload ashore or use DKGB. No frigat can reload there missiels of that size at sea. All so there are 16 extra cells that could lead it to a total 32 umkhotos.


i knew you will try to tell us this lie, so i asked you c=before i posted my simulation...how many Umkhonto missiles does a valour frigate carry per voyage/operation...you replied me and said 16 missiles and you even boasted that all sources of facts confirm 16 missiles.

please dont tell story about a fake 32 missiles now after i sank your warships...i also have checked sources....only 16 missiles carried. FACT !

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/South-Africa-Ordering-Umkhonto-Mk2-Air-Defense-Missiles-06869/



And you going to fly vertcaly down from the top dive bomb styl with umkhotos closing in on you. And the gun has a 85+ elvastion that is prety good better than block 0 and 1 phalnks and the same has the block 18. So your point is?

The 76mm has a 85 degree elvastion and a 360 degree travis at 60 degree a second speed and a 120rpm rate of fire.

And that out ranges all your air to sea wepaons.

Again out ranges every thing you have that can threaten the valour.



fool, Umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles CANNOT fly above 10km vertically, that is its altitude/ceiling limit. nigerian F-7 jets flew from 13km to 12km in attack dive and climb up immediately without entering the umkhonto missiles 10km maximum altitude/ceiling range. fool

read the 10km ceiling limit at the bottom specifications data-list on the weblink below.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6540:fact-file-denel-dynamics-umkhonto-short-range-infra-red-guided-point-air-defence-missile-system-&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159





Your epe missiels are littel test rockets and unguided. And your satlits can not perform the guidancy in any case.

Why would we close in that close to the coast? And you have never explained how you will run the logistics for all those guns.


Because they will chewd up and spat out.

Nigeria does not have air lanched exocets.

Yes because the anti supmarine that is why

How you going trake them 24 hours. Just because you want them to be.


i did not use any of those other weapons at all, i used only NNS ARADU and F-7 jets, Alpha jet, MBB 339 jets, etc ur

only a fool like you south africans cannot use 20 coastal radars, 2 satellites, several spy balloons, 4 ART-42 Surveyors, to track warships that are bigger than 10 houses each. soweto fool


Thus giving our subs free rain to deploy recces to conduct sabotage has you have blocked your self in.



you think you are fighting Togo or Congo republic ? nigeria has about 10 different navy bases in 6 different stales along the coast, how do you know which harbour NNS ARADU is hiding ? fool



Really. From 50 km away we can still stop enough ships to effectvly starve nigeria concidring those bulk carrers have to sail beyond that rang sooner or later and we can trake them with radar and interdect with rhibs(since you know your fleet is hiding)

you can run to 50km or even 400km away from nigerian coast, F-7 jet has range of 850km and MBB 339 jets have range of 1,750km. they will reach your valour warships and sink them, FACT !!



No the valour easly stops the missiels with var better defences sytems and returns fire to sink you littel boat.

And all your fighters are shot down the end you loose again because you are fool.

You going to fire AAMs at the valour? Ok you crazy. They not going to hit the valours ECM suit and ir masking sytems make it prety hard target. Not to menstion how you going to guid them for the termnail phase? With a air searth radar?

All of witch put you in range of death.

Even if a umkhonto does exploded it is containted to the cell.

You missiels all missied because you launched air to air missiels at a ground target from a fight with out the proper rader sytem to even trake a valour. I don't even think data link to perfom a attack from that range. Then they all shot down when the close in to closer to use rockets.

No nigeria looses it's air force in there own waters.



Onc again you show you are a utter fool with zero knowelge of what you speak. Best stop embarsing your self



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at 13km to 12km, all nigerian jets fly boutside range of all south african valour frigate air defences. umkhonto limit is 10km vertical. DENEL CIWS gun is 4km limit upwards. 76mm Otomelara gun CANNOT fire backwards to protect the warship where nigerian jets are attacking from...the back of the ship...its weak point.


7km rockets are only used after the Valour frigate 16 anti-aircraft Umkhonto missiles have finished due to their use in defence against F-7 jet 22km range missiles.


ATR-42 Surveyor electronic warfare systems neutralize the valour frigates electronic warfate suite, the ATR-42 serves as command and control fro the F-7 jets.


the F-7 jets PL-9C missiles are not radar guided, they are infra-red guided and optically controlled by pilots sight/targeting systems.


at PL-9C missiles speed of 3,500km/hr it takes only 15 seconds for it to reach the valour frigate from 13km altitude, and the F-7 jet pulls up again...a simple air to ground attack tactic since world wars I and II that air force pilots have been using to sink weaken great navy warships like Graf Spee and Bismark battleships successfully.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Swordfish


same way an F-7 jet will fire downwards on an enemy aircraft below it in the air, e.g. intercepting an enemy helicopter, same way it is above the valour frigate and will fire down on it...air to air missile does not prevent a missile from firing down on a target below it when the pilot has dived at 45 degrees angle on the target and is looking at the target with his two wide open koro koro eye...use your head if you have one...fool [/b]



i notice on this forum that you dont really know about battlefield tactics especially when it involves heavy weapons of air , land, sea combination.

you know more about rifles and their bullets...thats because you are below sergeant rank in your south african navy.

a major combined armed forces military operation is too advanced for your low level military training.

sorry i cannot save you from your own thinking problem

south african navy is sunk to sea bottom by nigerian air force . FACT !!


the common air to sea combat tactics used since world war I in 1918


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p79OTRbNNHg
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saengine:

Fool. Reading is fundamental. I said escape from the submarine. SA Navy divers and special forces are trained to exit a submarine while it's still under water using aqualungs. Explosives are placed on the bottom of the ship while under water, so no walking is needed.....making this whole comment of yours a waste of space. Doing this at night would make them harder to find.

All harbours that berth large ships are dug out to make the water deep enough not to run aground. So the point remains....if you have the stupid idea of "hiding" Aradu behind trawlers and rubbish from torpedoes, your Aradu is trapped. Making it a sitting duck.

FOOL

how does south african underwater divers from under the sea differentiate the below water bottom of NNS Aradu from other civilian ships and warships in the strange nigerian harbour that they dont know ?

how do they dive and move around under water in a strange nigerian coastal water the dont know ?

see weed alone (water hyacinth in the lagoon) will trap and k.ill them

from what distance will submarine drop them into deep sea, and they carry only one oxygen cylinder to breath under water and swim under water for a long distance and for a long time trying to figure our which unidentified ship bottom underwater belong to NNS Aradu ?

their oxygen will finish under water and they will die there

if it is that easy for human beings to dive under water and destroy a navy, the british would have sunk all argentina's warships in falkaland war right inside their harbour when they with drew their ships from superior british submarines and frigates.

....and NNS Aradu has a brand new powerful american underwater sonar...the sea divers oxygen cylinders and explosives will be dtected from a distance and nigerian navy has underwater divers too who will go find out whats approaching naval base from underwater.

nigerian navy too is prepared for war with a submarine threat in that naval blockade....

...what makes you believe nigerian navy divers are not patrolling the harbour underwater 24 hours a day searching for any enemy intruder ?

nigerian navy has underwater warfare and anti-submarine warfare training in pakistan.

only a fool will carry 45 minutes oxygen as a diver and launch from a submarine to swim for a long voyage into an unknown sea territory heading for an unknown naval base to find the bottom of an unknown warship in a naval base that is under heavy guard, heavy activity, high and red alert in a state of war.


only a foolish navy will not be patrolling underwater during an enemy submarine naval blockade, nigerian navy is NOT a fool like you are mr @saengine


worst for your foolish idea is that nigeria has many different naval bases along the coast in lagos state, ondo state, bayelsa state, rivers state, akwa ibom state, and cross river state, how do your underwater divers know which one of these many bases NNS ARADU is hiding in the harbour ? is south africa consulting a herbalist oracle or church prophet to find out that secret military information ? fools of soweto


nigerian navy underwater special forces divers in action

http://beegeagle./2013/04/30/world-exclusive-nigerian-navy-special-boat-service-diving-and-subsurface-training-props-henry-a-beegeagles-blogger/

also click the weblink below and scroll down the page to see nigerian navy divers and their pakistani navy counterparts in divers action...courtesy of @Henry's new thread

https://www.nairaland.com/1386870/african-militaries-security-services-strictly/12

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agaugust:




nigerian navy underwater divers and special forces too can go to simons town navl base and plant bombs on all south african navy valour frigates and sink then in your country too .




2 south african special forces soldiers drowned in the sea during the training exercise.

if it is nigerian soldiers now, you south africans will all start posting rubbish that they are not good enough and that south africa has the best special forces in africa bla bla bla

not laughing at the dead...may their souls rest in peace.

....but these are the same south african navy sea borne special forces that @saengine was replying to my last NAF/NN vs SANDF navycombat simulation, that they will jump into a small boat from Valour frigate in nigerian waters during the naval blockade and paddle boat to nigerian navy base and enter the base, walk like spirits into NNS Aradu and plant bombs on Aradu and blow it up

the same south african special forces that got carried away by water during multinational training

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And they going to get there how, swim all the way from nigeria? And there are means to stop divers but that is reshearch for you to do.



Some may, but I would hold of on the moking till more info(if any) does come out. The 2 boats capsized so it was a vilonet event. The best swimmer in the world will drown if knocked out. And SF members die quiet offen durring training. There is a saying.

Train our you fight.