Fhemmmy:

You just joined in the name calling too . . . . .lol

 not refering to anybody in particular, but was i wron g, i dont think so.

Oyedepo was mislead to join the cabal, if nigerians can get truth from a man of God where can we get it from


He needs money from Yara'dua's to build more universities and maintain the once he already build, world financial crisis is hiting him hard he had no choice than to join them ;DMan of God indeed

switch411:

 not refering to anybody in particular, but was i wron g, i dont think so.

Not nice to accuse others of same crime that you just committed, so yeah, you were wrong.

Christianity in the part of the world is very pathetic.

kosovo:

Christianity in the part of the world is very pathetic.

And what made it pathetic?
Cos you dont agree with what they do and stand for? cos they wont go around and blow each other up like u would like, or cos a man is matured enuf to know when to talk and when not to?

So what's the big deal? Anyone with a good heart will go and see a sick person. Why should this start making front page and a lot of people making unnecessary criticism. Indeed the devil has a lot of advocates even on NL.

Meldrick:

So what's the big deal? Anyone with a good heart will go and see a sick person. Why should this start making front page and a lot of people making unnecessary criticism. Indeed the devil has a lot of advocates even on NL.

Lol

@ all

Get it straight,

The motive of his visit is to balance religious call, not to pray for him. at least lots of christian has been praying for him for the past 5 month.

physical presence those not tell if a prayer will be answer

for the bible says in James 5:16b "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much"

all one need is to be righteous and fervently pray, if it pleases God he will heal the Guy.

it is unfortunate that majority of nairaland member are kids in thinking and that is the problem with nigeria.
if men of God visited yar,adua what is wrong with that if he ask for it.after all jesus save many sinner even prostitute.pls member should be responsible in there thinking and the way they respond to issue.
As a man of God you must listen to anybody after all Billy Graham visited all USA president we are to personal in this part of the world.What is wrong with black man mentality.stop playing to the gallery.

Niger_d:

@ all

Get it straight,

The motive of his visit is to balance religious call, not to pray for him. at least lots of christian has been praying for him for the past 5 month.

Proof of this claim please, not an idea cooked up in your head.

@aisha2

Just like he owes no one an explanation for buying a private Jet, Convoy of expensive Cars, and making his Church membersdonate their savings to start a University Their children cant afford to attend. Well, "God Has Belssed Him, and People who want to know why he went to the Villa Are just Jealous." [/color]


Thank God for people like u. I once refused to pay for the one my church is building and some people see me as anti reformation. university is not part of kingdom business and if it should be then it muct be for the poor. how can the poor build for the rich.


As for Bishop Oyedipo, i am praying so seriously its not him, cos if it is confirmed, i would loose my respect for him. Heaven is for the bold and sound mind and not for the lilly -hearted-wealth&fame-seeking-pastors.

God, what is this?

debosky:

Proof of this claim please, not an idea cooked up in your head.

If the Imams did not visit him will the christian leaders make the visit?

capital NO

the content and fervent state of the prayer is lost.

If u want to pray for him, pray in ur closest

[size=18pt]As Aso Rock Invites Christian Leaders for Easter Prayers… Clerics: Why We Met Yar’Adua, Jonathan,Gusau[/size]
From Imam Imam in Kaduna, 04.04.2010

There were indications last night that Presi-dency officials have invited not less than four Christian leaders to join President Umaru Musa Yar’Adua for an Easter prayer session in Aso Rock Villa tomorrow.

The proposed Christian prayer session with President Yar’Adua comes on the heels of a similar meeting between the ailing President and four Muslim clerics which held last Thursday. The Christian leaders are being invited by Yar’Adua to pray with him for his quick recovery. No other details have been released by Presidency officials.

However, one of the four Islamic clerics who met ailing President Umaru Musa Yar’Adua in Aso Rock Villa last Thursday, Dr. Ibrahim Datti Ahmed yesterday told THISDAY that the group had held previous meetings with Acting President Goodluck Jonathan and his National Security Adviser (NSA), Lt. Gen. Aliyu Muhammed Gusau on separate occasions.

Ahmed who is the President-General of the Supreme Council for Sharia in Nigeria (SCSN) also said before meeting Yar’Adua the four clerics had held two meetings with the first lady, Hajia Turai and that it was at the second meeting with the President’s wife that they concretised the appointment for them to see the President.

Yar’Adua had been sick since November 23, 2009 when he was rushed out of the country for treatment in the King Faisal Specialist Hospital in Jeddah. He has not been seen in public since then though he returned to the country on Feberuary 10.
Speaking on the parley between the clerics and the Acting President, Ahmed said the meeting held last Sunday.

"We first met with the NSA (General Aliyu Muhammed Gusau) and told him our fears over the way things are going in the country. He later briefed the Acting President who then demanded that he wants to see us. We went to see him and we had fruitful discussions."

He, however, declined to disclose what his group discussed with the acting President. He said: "you want to know how we met the President. Let us not be distracted by other things."
But THISDAY learnt that the group led by Datti to see Jonathan gathered under the aegis of the Supreme Council for Sharia in Nigeria (SCSN).

The Islamic leaders who met with Jonathan under the aegis of the Supreme Council for Sharia in Nigeria (SCSN) had demanded that the acting president should investigate the injustice meted out to Muslims in the Jos crisis. They also expressed their dissatisfaction with how Christian leaders are calling for removal of army officers who are Muslims.

They demanded that equity and balance should be given primary consideration in the appointment into key government posts.
A source at the meeting said: “Our discussion was based on three key issues. First, we told the Acting President of the perceived injustice meted to Muslims in Jos and the double standards exhibited by some Nigerians and foreigners alike. We told him that Muslims were massacred in Kuru Karama in Plateau State but no one said anything.

But when a retaliatory attack took place in Kuru Jenta, the whole world and the Federal Government inclusive called for drastic action against the perpetrators. Since we do not condone killing, the Christians who killed in Kuru Karama should also be fished out and prosecuted.

“Second, we told him of our unhappiness with the way Christian leaders are calling for the removal of Muslim army officers serving in various positions in the country. During Obasanjo’s time, Christian soldiers held very sensitive positions in places where there were crisis but no Muslim called for their removal.

“Third, we told him to be sensitive in his appointments so as to reflect religious and ethnic balance in the country. The Acting President promised to look into our demands and told us that Nigeria has been surviving due to the prayers of her people. He asked us to pray for the country and not to lose hope in the development and progress of Nigeria,” he said.
Those who attended the meeting include Ahmed, Yakubu Musa Katsina, the leader of the Izala Muslim sect in Katsina and Mallam Jamiliu Haidara, who is a senior member of the SCSN.

However, giving the details of how the clerics’ meeting with Yar’Adua was arranged and what transpired at the parley, Ahmed said: “We actually met with Turai on two different occasions where we discussed various issues of national importance. We then told her that we wanted to see the President in order to dispel rumours that he was not even in the country or that he is still in some kind of intensive care. Our mission was to see him and confirm for ourselves that he is still alive and that he is recuperating as we were told.

“She agreed to our request and said she will get back to us. We told her to please give us a day notice any time they decide we should see him. That was what happened. They called us last Wednesday and said we will see him the following day which we did," he said.

On how the last Thursday meeting with Yar’Adua went, Ahmed who is a medical doctor and former medical director of Asmau Hospital, Kano, said: "We met him (President Yar’Adua) sitting on a dining chair supporting himself. No one held him or supported him. He was wearing a jumper and wando (trouser). Both the First Lady Hajiya Turai and his ADC were by his side and as soon as we were ushered in, he extended his hands to us which we received.

"Thereafter, we offered prayers for him and he joined us in the prayer by lifting his hands to pray with us. We then decided to go and he then extended his hands and shook us again."

Ahmed however urged for caution in the way the yet-to-be-constituted Executive Council of the Federation (EXCOF) under Jonathan would treat the case of the ailing President. He said Yar’Adua should be allowed to fully recover without mounting unnecessary pressure on him through a campaign for his impeachment.

He said those calling for the removal of the President on health grounds will likely push the country into serious crisis whose ramification cannot be comprehended.

According to him, "All the stories being written in the media concerning the president are wrong and divisive. If the aim of the sponsors of these write-ups is to remove the president from office, then I think they are making serious miscalculations.
“Attempting to remove him is a needless diversion and needless waste of time. The move will not only be problematic, but not in the best interest of Nigeria.

“Goodluck Jonathan has all the presidential powers at his disposal. Why do they need to remove Yar'Adua from office before they could exercise these powers? My advice is that he should continue to exercise these powers even if it means doing so until the end of this tenure.

“He has already dissolved the cabinet even if you will ask why. He has gone ahead to constitute another one, so why ask for the removal of a sick man from office? If there is no hidden agenda in all these, let Goodluck continue to run the government as acting President. Asking for anything more will not augur well for this country.

“We must be considerate in the way we handle this situation or it may lead us to where we do not foresee,” he said.
THISDAY had on Friday reported that President Yar’Adua met with some clerics, friends and associates on Tuesday and Thursday. The Chief Imam of the Abuja National Mosque, Ustaz Musa Mohammed, leader of the Izala Muslim sect in Katsina State, Sheikh Yakubu Musa, Sheikh Isa Pantami and Ahmed were the clerics who saw Yar’Adua.

The report also stated that last Tuesday, the President had audience with his close friend and political associate, Alhaji Dahiru Manga, a member of the House of Representatives, representing Faskari Constituency, Alhaji Inuwa Shehu and his son-in-law who is governor of Bauchi State, Mallam Isa Yuguda.

Ustaz Muhammed, the Chief Imam of Abuja National Mosque, had after different prayer sessions given detail accounts to members of the congregation on the meeting his team had with Yar’Adua.
His account is however not different from that of Dr. Ahmed.

http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=170057&printer_friendly=1

Debosky you may want to say Oyedepo should not divulge his experience and encounter with Yar'adua which on second thought I may try to  understand. But to continue to argue that Oyedepo's visit is personal or private is ridiculous. This Thisday report I have posted above reported of plans by Presidency to invite Christain leaders. Now you can also argue that the right christain leaders were not invited in terms CAN but Oyedepo went their as a Christain leader not as Oyedepo.

He went their to represent Christains.

which proof if you go to the bible u will see in the new testament where a woman was brought to Jesus that she commit adultery and the law is to stone her to death and Jesus said anyone that has not sin before should cast the first stone and all of the disapear and God said she should sin no more. Also go and find out about Billy Graham.it is the duty of any man of God to pray and visit a sick person if invited.we are hypocrite in this country these is the same yar,adua that everybody say is a good man if Bakare and Soyinka but because the man is sick now he is a bad man. i pity all of u.i dont like posting anything on this site except cheking the Auto Section and property,because to be sincere u hardly find any responsible and articulate suggestion but rubbish all the time.

Fhemmmy:

And what made it pathetic?
Cos you dont agree with what they do and stand for? cos they wont go around and blow each other up like u would like, or cos a man is matured enuf to know when to talk and when not to?

Funny how you think one religion is superior to another, but u forgot that the early Christians did far worse than what any other religion has done. .
It's okay to shy away from Histroy, Mass killing of women, total destruction of those early scientists. . .etc. . rings any bell?. .  C'mon. . . Religion is the most stupid idea man has ever invented. . .
We should stop deceiving our selves. .

I now know why Nigeria is backward. Most of us are myopic. For God's sake what has Bishop Oyedepo done wrong? is it a crime to visit an ailing president? besides Rev kure said that they met Oyedepo there which means they did not go together and that also confirms that oyedepo was there on a personal ground. If i may ask, what do u want Oyedepo to say? did he inform anybody while going? must he inform us when he comes back? do u know how many times people in power must have visited him for prayers? did he ever come out to tell anybody? i beg let us use our senses whenever we want to criticise anybody. I'm not a member of Winners Chapel but i know the brain given us by God is not for decoration and some of us should not make it look so.

@toksbee007

it is unfortunate that majority of nairaland member are kids in thinking and that is the problem with nigeria.
if men of God visited yar,adua what is wrong with that if he ask for it.after all jesus save many sinner even love-peddler.pls member should be responsible in there thinking and the way they respond to issue.
As a man of God you must listen to anybody after all Billy Graham visited all USA president we are to personal in this part of the world.What is wrong with black man mentality.stop playing to the gallery.



You are getting it all wrong.  No one is against his visit but the circumstance surrounding his visit.  What makes his visit personal when Nigerians have been in the dark.  If he actually has seen him, would it be much to say, oh our president is alive, that could put to rest these much agitations.  

He does not want to commit himself by saying yes or no so, why did he go, of what good is his visit to the nigerian populace?  We are looking unto him for a solace, where is the intergrity he is preaching if he can not tell his folowers at least, the president is alive.  Is this not the bone of contention?

Maybe the orisa worshipers would be the one to tell us the truth. What a shame!

there is nothing like religion in God's mind but ur personal relationship with him.

as an embodiment of Christ my belief is the likeness of Christ.

If you are a leader is it all information that is at your disposal that you will divulge,their is difference btw official and private visit for God sake the family may decide to invite men of God to pray for him so every one that a man of God pray for should be disclose if the family did not want the man state of health to be disclose for God sake they have to respect that decision,he said the visit is personal u dont disclose personal visit except official OK.

mikeansy:

http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=170057&printer_friendly=1

Debosky you may want to say Oyedepo should not divulge his experience and encounter with Yar'adua which on second thought I may try to  understand. But to continue to argue that Oyedepo's visit is personal or private is ridiculous. This Thisday report I have posted above reported of plans by Presidency to invite Christain leaders. Now you can also argue that the right christain leaders were not invited in terms CAN but Oyedepo went their as a Christain leader not as Oyedepo.

He went their to represent Christains.

Common now . . . . . Cos they said that, does that now means that, that was how it all was? Let us be real here.
His visit there is personal, cos he is not the head of the nigerian Christians groups

Can I add before I leave this thread that the idea that some people are 'Men of God' while the rest of us are not is very ridiculous. That phrase suggests that some of us are men of satan even though the bible says we are all created in the image and likeness of God.

We are all men of God for we are all created by God.

People should stop giving the devil a portion of humanity.

Every one saying his visits is personal should keep deceiving themselves. . .

if it was a personal visits, No body would be interested in the visits, do u see these men of God visiting the president on a frequent basis? so how can you now claim that it is personal. . . The fear of application of Knowledge and thinking is what has made Nigerians easily deceived by most so-called spiritual leaders. ,. ,

kosovo:

Funny how you think one religion is superior to another, but u forgot that the early Christians did far worse than what any other religion has done. .
It's okay to shy away from Histroy, Mass killing of women, total destruction of those early scientists. . .etc. . rings any bell?. .  C'mon. . . Religion is the most silly idea man has ever invented. . .
We should stop deceiving our selves. .

For your information, read all my post and re-read them, i would rather not comment or just sigh than to say one is better than the other, i am not a judge, and never would i be of any religion.
Most of my very good friends are muslims, my best biz partners in Nigeria are all Muslims, so pal, you aint gonna score one on me . . .  however, saying that invention of religion was the worse thing that ever happened, i think that was over exaggerated and not true.

There are so many other nations that practice some sort of religion and yet they are all doing well, but now cos Nigeria is a failed state, it is all cos of religion?

kosovo:

Every one saying his visits is personal should keep deceiving themselves. . .

if it was a personal visits, No body would be interested in the visits, do u see these men of God visiting the president on a frequent basis? so how can you now claim that it is personal. . . The fear of application of Knowledge and thinking is what has made Nigerians easily deceived by most so-called spiritual leaders. ,. ,

So cos you dont see them visiting him on frequent basis means it is not personal?
The way you draw your conclusions scares me oh . . . . . .so cos a man dont visit someone often means when he does, it must be official?
BTW . . . .how do u know they dont see often?

Fhemmmy:

Common now . . . . . Cos they said that, does that now means that, that was how it all was? Let us be real here.
His visit there is personal, cos he is not the head of the nigerian Christians groups

Ok we should place priorities on your assumptions and perceptions as opposed to the official views and actions of the Presidency?

They announced it, and most importantly Oyedepo's invitation and visit co-incided with the rest of Christain leaders invited by Aso Rock. You can justify Oyedepo's decision to remain silent, but don't tell me Oyedepo went to Aso Rock because he is Oyedepo.

And you know what, this visit both those of christains and Muslims have actually achieved what they were designed for and that has nothing to do with prayers, or yar'adua's health. The essence of this visits is to achieve what we are doing right now.

To get the nation to keep talking about Yar'adua and thereby sustaining his political relevance. Congrats to them.

Pls lets Think rationally. . .Personal visit or what ever is fallacious . . . I have learnt the hard way to always think rationally and most time they think i have gone haywire. . lol. . but the truth be told . . . I see this as a political mumbo jumbo which these spiritual leaders are helping to choreograph

mikeansy:

Ok we should place priorities on your assumptions and perceptions as opposed to the official views and actions of the Presidency?

They announced it, and most importantly Oyedepo's invitation and visit co-incided with the rest of Christain leaders invited by Aso Rock. You can justify Oyedepo's decision to remain silent, but don't tell me Oyedepo went to Aso Rock because he is Oyedepo.

And you know what, this visit both those of christains and Muslims have actually achieved what they were designed for and that has nothing to do with prayers, or yar'adua's health. The essence of this visits is to achieve what we are doing right now.

To get the nation to keep talking about Yar'adua and thereby sustaining his political relevance. Congrats to them.

I never said he was not invited . . . . However, it is better for him as a man of God to be quiet than to lie on what he saw.
Some have gone to see yaradua and said, they saw him walking the stairs and all sort of nonsense.
Now i would wish Oyedepo would talk too, but if he chose not to, it is his right to be mute.

And Oyedepo calls himself a pastor. Wen i heard he was among d delegates dat went, i was happy dat d truth wud finaly b out. But nw we know beta, all these pastors are luking for money. Their god is their belly. God wud surely deal wit dem all wen d time is right.

kosovo:

Pls lets Think rationally. . .Personal visit or what ever is fallacious . . . I have learnt the hard way to always think rationally and most time they think i have gone haywire. . lol. . but the truth be told . . . I see this as a political mumbo jumbo which these spiritual leaders are helping to choreograph

exactly!!!

Its simply a political excersize.

kosovo:

Pls lets Think rationally. . .Personal visit or what ever is fallacious . . . I have learnt the hard way to always think rationally and most time they think i have gone haywire.  . lol. .  but the truth be told . . . I see this as a political mumbo jumbo which these spiritual leaders are helping to choreograph

How cld they b the choreographer, they might have allowed themselves to be used but they still did nothing wrong.

the way I am seeing this, one day your Pastor will come and say that Holy Spirit directed you to give him your wife for   and you will say YES

chiozor:

the way I am seeing this, one day your Pastor will come and say that Holy Spirit directed you to give him your wife for   and you will say YES

Lol

Troynow:

And Oyedepo calls himself a pastor. Wen i heard he was among d delegates dat went, i was happy dat d truth wud finaly b out. But nw we know beta, all these pastors are luking for money. Their god is their belly. God wud surely deal wit dem all wen d time is right.

Be real, they are looking for money and yet they are wealthy?