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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 6:38pm On Aug 07
kkins25:
I've watched a few cut clips of Kamala talking about distribution of resources. She calls it equitable distribution if i remember correctly.

Can someone explain to me, cause I'm mostly dumb, how she intends to, or what she means by that?

Sounds like "equality of outcome" to me. Sounds like co.....

Let me wait first...

Equality of outcome is why a Neurosurgeon and a cleaner should have the same outcome. When is she going to lead by example and let everyone have access to her standard of life?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by GloriousGbola: 6:40pm On Aug 07
cococandy:
Walz is so American dad coded

I’m sure he’ll do well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu9LsY_mnP8?si=WRlPo9XOTM9JNn3c

Man went there

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by sanpipita(m): 6:48pm On Aug 07
IjeBos:


This whole thing is weird. Attacking him for this. Attacking him for free lunches for school kids.
They are kids in school. Give them what they need to just focus on being kids in school.
The GOP is really really lost.

A shame of a party, you can't tell any good policies they stand for these days except for extremism

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by cococandy(f): 6:50pm On Aug 07
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by cococandy(f): 6:55pm On Aug 07
raumdeuter:


Equality of outcome is why a Neurosurgeon and a cleaner should have the same outcome. When is she going to lead by example and let everyone have access to her standard of life?

I know people are going to twist it to say she means because a neurosurgeon drives a Ferrari then a store clerk should too.

When equality of outcomes simply means that if a neurosurgeon shouldn’t die of hunger or lack of adequate healthcare then it should be the same for a low wage worker. Access to basic human needs shouldn’t be restricted to only the wealthy and high class.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Obrigardo: 6:56pm On Aug 07
Another massive massive crowd again waiting in Wisconsin. See lines! 😱😁

No paid operatives unlike the scammy felon's campaign.

Another electric event like this awaits

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Obrigardo: 7:00pm On Aug 07
sanpipita:


A shame of a party, you can't tell any good policies they stand for these days except for extremism

It's pure Hate they represent. Nothing else but Hate.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Obrigardo: 7:16pm On Aug 07
Convicted felon trump might die of stroke before August ends.
Imagine this momentum till his sentencing on September 18th.

Lara trump and other maga dunces at the RNC don't know what to do. Felon trump has stopped campaigning..

basilico loco, if you ever start another stop the steal trash, I'll break your ass cheek bones to dust 😁

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 7:17pm On Aug 07
cococandy:


I know people are going to twist it to say she means because a neurosurgeon drives a Ferrari then a store clerk should too.

When equality of outcomes simply means that if a neurosurgeon shouldn’t die of hunger or lack of adequate healthcare then it should be the same for a low wage worker. Access to basic human needs shouldn’t be restricted to only the wealthy and high class.

Not dying of hunger lies in your hand not in the next person's pocket. Especially if you are not a minor, aged or disabled

She repeated it multiple times. Equality of outcomes is communism, your outcome depends on what you put into your life. I cannot expect to have the outcomes of Ronaldo

The guy driving a Ferrari did not get it gifted to him, he worked hard for it, he went to school for long years and was smart to start with. If I don't work as hard and not as smart as him, I should not expect his outcomes in life
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by cococandy(f): 7:28pm On Aug 07
raumdeuter:


Not dying of hunger lies in your hand not in the next person's pocket. Especially if you are not a minor, aged or disabled

She repeated it multiple times. Equality of outcomes is communism, your outcome depends on what you put into your life. I cannot expect to have the outcomes of Ronaldo

The guy driving a Ferrari did not get it gifted to him, he worked hard for it, he went to school for long years and was smart to start with. If I don't work as hard and not as smart as him, I should not expect his outcomes in life

Like I said
cococandy:


I know people are going to twist it to say she means because a neurosurgeon drives a Ferrari then a store clerk should too..

And funny thing is it’s those who aren’t billionaires that are the loudest in support of the exploitation they perpetuate .

Capitalism for thee, socialism/Communism for Elon. with y’all’s blessing of course

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by AmazonTopaz(f): 8:03pm On Aug 07
bemeruca:


Imagine budaatum posting a link here saying hamas is stronger since israel attacked them after October 7th despite the destruction of gaza and hamas leaders dying like flies. His argument was now they are fighting guerrilla warfare like, isn't the reason why they thought they can attack Israel, take hostages, kill somany IDF till they beg for a deal? They miscalculated because they built one or two rat holes but for some reason budaatum thinks they are stronger now than when the city and their weapons were all intact 😂

It's sad. Palestinians have wicked leaders because a majority of them are complicit. Hamas tunnels are why they are dying.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by AmazonTopaz(f): 8:05pm On Aug 07
MAGA will soon stop talking about crowd size very soon given the crowd size the Harris campaign has been attracting lately.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 8:05pm On Aug 07
cococandy:


Like I said

And funny thing is it’s those who aren’t billionaires that are the loudest in support of the exploitation they perpetuate .

Capitalism for thee, socialism/Communism for Elon. with y’all’s blessing of course

You don't need to be a billionaire to know that legislating equality of outcomes will destroy the society it's the same thing that destroyed all communist economies.

It's why American boxers at Olympics end up being rich from their talents and Cubans end up broke

Everywhere including the billionaires who gamble ro solve the toughest human challenges deserve to keep what they worked for which encourages them to do more and thus employ more people to help them get richer.
I don't get the left hate on billionaires and hating on success. Its against everything America is about, if it's easy everyone will become one. Everyone should aspire to be a billionaire and enjoy the socialism they are enjoying

Why will anyone want to be a neurosurgeon when you can be a cleaner and have the same outcomes
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by AmazonTopaz(f): 8:06pm On Aug 07
As someone who despises Trump, JD Vance is a truly horrible pick with no sauce.

God forbid, this is a losing ticket. grin

I am so happy for them.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by AmazonTopaz(f): 8:07pm On Aug 07
Obrigardo:
Convicted felon trump might die of stroke before August ends.
Imagine this momentum till his sentencing on September 18th.

Lara trump and other maga dunces at the RNC don't know what to do. Felon trump has stopped campaigning..

basilico loco, if you ever start another stop the steal trash, I'll break your ass cheek bones to dust 😁
No he shouldn't die yet. He needs to be humiliated in November. grin

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by AmazonTopaz(f): 8:08pm On Aug 07
I am following the Harris campaign rally in Eau Claire, Wisconsin the crowd size is enormous.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by cococandy(f): 8:11pm On Aug 07
I’m not going to argue with you on a scenario that you made up. Pls give it a rest. I’ve learned not to allow conservatives gaslight and manipulate me into ring-around-the-rosy conversations that stem only from their interpretation of what they want to believe

Meanwhile you said in your earlier post that except if one is underage, old or disabled, they should be able to fend for themselves which I can state we all agree on.

Your favorite political party calls anything that caters to feeding children, taking care of the old and disabled as woke socialist communist idea.

We have no middle ground to discuss anything
raumdeuter:


You don't need to be a billionaire to know that legislating equality of outcomes will destroy the society it's the same thing that destroyed all communist economies.

It's why American boxers at Olympics end up being rich from their talents and Cubans end up broke

Everywhere including the billionaires who gamble ro solve the toughest human challenges deserve to keep what they worked for which encourages them to do more and thus employ more people to help them get richer.
I don't get the left hate on billionaires and hating on success. Its against everything America is about, if it's easy everyone will become one. Everyone should aspire to be a billionaire and enjoy the socialism they are enjoying

Why will anyone want to be a neurosurgeon when you can be a cleaner and have the same outcomes

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 8:23pm On Aug 07
cococandy:
I’m not going to argue with you on a scenario that you made up. Pls give it a rest. I’ve learned not to allow conservatives gaslight and manipulate me into ring-around-the-rosy conversations that stem only from their interpretation of what they want to believe
Meanwhile you said in your earlier post that except if one is underage, old or disabled, they should be able to fend for themselves which I can state we all agree on.
Your favorite political party calls anything that caters to feeding children, taking care of the old and disabled as woke socialist communist idea.
We have no middle ground to discuss anything

You are free to run away when you are unable to defend your position. America is a prosperous nation and the desired destination of billions because everyone can become anything they want if they work hard and put what it takes not someone in govt striving to have equality in outcomes

My favourite party is one that promotes personal responsibility, you kill what you eat, you cater to the children you bring to the world, you plan for your old age when you are working. You dont give birth because you want the society to raise them for you. You work hard to get what you want out of life. Not blaming and pointing fingers at someone holding anyone down

Its personal responsibility
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 8:42pm On Aug 07
cococandy:


I know people are going to twist it to say she means because a neurosurgeon drives a Ferrari then a store clerk should too.

When equality of outcomes simply means that if a neurosurgeon shouldn’t die of hunger or lack of adequate healthcare then it should be the same for a low wage worker. Access to basic human needs shouldn’t be restricted to only the wealthy and high class.

I would like to see her expound on this, but it sounds as she is talking about basic core things as you noted.
i.e. school. A kid that is developmentally challenged should get more resources so that they can graduate. I think that's how it works in my state at least.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by cococandy(f): 8:43pm On Aug 07
Trying to debate you would mean that I’m validating you in saying this is true and you believe in personal responsibility and I don’t. Which is simply not true.

I and most democrats I know hold amazing jobs and pay our fair share into the society. If anything, red leaning republican states are the heaviest dependents on social welfare. It’s a fact. But you don’t care for that truth. None of you care for the truth as we’ve all come to realize.

But All we ask is that our tax dollars don’t go to give billionaires handouts just because they have the politicians in their pockets. Or to pad the pockets of war contractors who go around the world sowing discord so that they can profit from weapon sales.

We want our money to go towards funding education and meals for children, healthcare for everyone, real maternity benefits to encourage young people to have children like you guys so badly claim you want them to, improve disability benefits for disabled people, better wages to meet inflation and/or price regulation for these greedy corporations. You guys brown nose greedy thieves and tell yourselves you’re promoting personal responsibility. If you really care for personal responsibility you wouldn’t support oligarchs who are often given insane financial bailouts when they flop due to greed as they often do. What an irony.

You make up a truncated position and try to fit who you think is your opponent into the opposite box. Since I do not fit into the box you created and don’t stand for any of the things you’re claiming, it’s pointless trying to debate you. Because when you get cornered, you’ll make up another lie and try to start arguing on that. It gets exhausting.

You’re not a unique republican. I’ve been there and done that. It’s a waste of energy because a lot of you don’t live in the real world of facts.

And I’ve said enough!
raumdeuter:


You are free to run away when you are unable to defend your position. America is a prosperous nation and the desired destination of billions because everyone can become anything they want if they work hard and put what it takes not someone in govt striving to have equality in outcomes

My favourite party is one that promotes personal responsibility, you kill what you eat, you cater to the children you bring to the world, you plan for your old age when you are working. You dont give birth because you want the society to raise them for you. You work hard to get what you want out of life. Not blaming and pointing fingers at someone holding anyone down

Its personal responsibility

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 8:46pm On Aug 07
raumdeuter:


My favourite party is one that promotes personal responsibility, you kill what you eat, you cater to the children you bring to the world, you plan for your old age when you are working. You dont give birth because you want the society to raise them for you. You work hard to get what you want out of life. Not blaming and pointing fingers at someone holding anyone down

Its personal responsibility

Does that really sound like the current Republican Party. Or even self-made man Trump?
The Republican party is the party of the robber barons who have to spew this story to continue to syphon off wealth from the people who believe it.
Case in point, Elon Musk, how much of his success was due to Government subsidies or handouts?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 8:47pm On Aug 07
IjeBos:


Does that really sound like the current Republican Party. Or even self-made man Trump?
The Republican party is the party of the robber barons who have to spew this story to continue to syphon off wealth from the people who believe it.
Case in point, Elon Musk, how much of his success was due to Government subsidies or handouts?

Try and get your own inventions patented so you can benefit from the same govt subsidies and handouts.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 8:48pm On Aug 07
cococandy:
Trying to debate you would mean that I’m validating you in saying this is true and you believe in personal responsibility and I don’t. Which is simply not true.

I and most democrats I know hold amazing jobs and pay our fair share into the society. If anything red leaning republican states are the heaviest dependents on social welfare. It’s a fact. But you don’t care for that truth. None of you care for the truth as we’ve all come to realize.

But All we ask is that our tax dollars don’t go to give billionaires handouts just because they have the politicians in their pockets. Or to pad the pockets of war contractors who go around the world sowing discord so that they can profit from weapon sales.

We want our money to go towards funding education and meals for children, healthcare for everyone, real maternity benefits to encourage young people to have children like you guys so badly claim you want them to, improve disability benefits for disabled people, better wages to meet inflation and/or price regulation for these greedy corporations. You guys brown nose greedy thieves and tell yourselves you’re promoting personal responsibility. If you really care for personal responsibility you wouldn’t support oligarchs who are often given insane financial bailouts when they flop due to greed as they often do. What an irony.

You make up a truncated position and try to fit who you think is your opponent into the opposite box. Since I do not fit into the box you created and don’t stand for any of the things you’re claiming, it’s pointless trying to debate you. Because when you get cornered, you’ll make up another lie and try to start arguing on that. It gets exhausting.

You’re not a unique republican. I’ve been there and done that. It’s a waste of energy because a lot of you don’t live in the real world of facts.

And I’ve said enough!

shocked shocked cool cool grin

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 8:49pm On Aug 07
raumdeuter:


Try and get your own inventions patented so you can benefit from the same govt subsidies and handouts.

So governments subsidies and handouts are ok now? You should pick a lane.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 8:50pm On Aug 07
cococandy:
Trying to debate you would mean that I’m validating you in saying this is true and you believe in personal responsibility and I don’t. Which is simply not true.

I and most democrats I know hold amazing jobs and pay our fair share into the society. If anything red leaning republican states are the heaviest dependents on social welfare. It’s a fact. But you don’t care for that truth. None of you care for the truth as we’ve all come to realize.

But All we ask is that our tax dollars don’t go to give billionaires handouts just because they have the politicians in their pockets. Or to pad the pockets of war contractors who go around the world sowing discord so that they can profit from weapon sales.

We want our money to go towards funding education and meals for children, healthcare for everyone, real maternity benefits to encourage young people to have children like you guys so badly claim you want them to, improve disability benefits for disabled people, better wages to meet inflation and/or price regulation for these greedy corporations. You guys brown nose greedy thieves and tell yourselves you’re promoting personal responsibility. If you really care for personal responsibility you wouldn’t support oligarchs who are often given insane financial bailouts when they flop due to greed as they often do. What an irony.

You make up a truncated position and try to fit who you think is your opponent into the opposite box. Since I do not fit into the box you created and don’t stand for any of the things you’re claiming, it’s pointless trying to debate you. Because when you get cornered, you’ll make up another lie and try to start arguing on that. It gets exhausting.

You’re not a unique republican. I’ve been there and done that. It’s a waste of energy because a lot of you don’t live in the real world of facts.

And I’ve said enough!

Democrats have ruled 12 in the last 16yrs how many of these have they done? How many percentage of their own earnings are they paying as taxes?

If you want more in public coffers, you can volunteer to pay more, your tax bracket is just the minimum required, you can choose to pay more into it if you believe in what you preach

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 8:51pm On Aug 07
IjeBos:


So governments subsidies and handouts are ok now? You should pick a lane.

If you believe that they are getting subsidies and handouts by being billionaires, then you should also become a billionaire so you can get your own subsidy and handout
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by cococandy(f): 8:52pm On Aug 07
IjeBos:


I would like to see her expound on this, but it sounds as she is talking about basic core things as you noted.
i.e. school. A kid that is developmentally challenged should get more resources so that they can graduate. I think that's how it works in my state at least.


I know that’s what she means. Trust Republicans to knowingly misrepresent it. It’s simply giving kids a somewhat equal start in life to minimize disparity later in life just because some kids happen to be lucky based on the zip code they are born into due to no doing of theirs. We know that truly it can never be equal. We’re not delusional.

But We watch these poorer kids talents die and light go out of their eyes. While legacy kids with zero talent and even less intelligence get to have life handed to them from the beginning. Railroaded into success with no effort on their part. Talk about personal responsibility.

I don’t even care to listen to dissent on this topic because I know they don’t mean well. Throwing communism around because that’s what they’ve been told.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by cococandy(f): 8:52pm On Aug 07
raumdeuter:


Democrats have ruled 12 in the last 16yrs how many of these have they done? How many percentage of their own earnings are they paying as taxes?

If you want more in public coffers, you can volunteer to pay more, your tax bracket is just the minimum required, you can choose to pay more into it if you believe in what you preach

I pay my fair share.
If billionaires paid their fair share we wouldn’t be having this conversation

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 8:56pm On Aug 07
cococandy:


I pay my fair share.
If billionaires paid their fair share we wouldn’t be having this conversation

What is your fair share?

Everyone pays what the law requires, you are free to pay more though and are you?

If you are not paying more than the law requires, then why should anyone else
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by cococandy(f): 9:04pm On Aug 07
raumdeuter:


What is your fair share?

Everyone pays what the law requires, you are free to pay more though and are you?

If you are not paying more than the law requires, then why should anyone else
.

If you don’t know that the billionaire class haven’t been paying their fair share of taxes, you should have researched before talking about it. If you knew, then you’re choosing to lie.

So, you’re either being disingenuous or you’re unprepared for the conversation. Either way it shows I was right in the beginning to say I wasn’t going to go back and forth with you.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 9:05pm On Aug 07
raumdeuter:


If you believe that they are getting subsidies and handouts by being billionaires, then you should also become a billionaire so you can get your own subsidy and handout

Your argument is all over the place.
So, subsidies and handouts are ok if you're a billionaire.
You should probably take a look at how some of these people became billionaires.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 9:06pm On Aug 07
cococandy:
.

If you don’t know that the billionaire class haven’t been paying their fair share of taxes, you should have researched before talking about it. If you knew, then you’re choosing to lie.

So, you’re either being disingenuous or you’re unprepared for the conversation. Either way it shows I was right in the beginning to say I wasn’t going to go back and forth with you.

Everyone pays what the law requires them to, Anyone who doesnt will be jailed.
You pay what the law requires you and you call it fair share, a billionaire pays what the law requires him and you say he should pay fair share?

Who determines fair share if not the law

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