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Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by SEFAGO(m): 8:03pm On Jun 03, 2010 |
this thread is one of my favorites |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by Nobody: 8:16pm On Jun 03, 2010 |
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Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by davidif: 8:30pm On Jun 03, 2010 |
cap28: WOAH!!! WHAT A TERRIBLE RACIST COMMENT ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by Nobody: 9:32pm On Jun 03, 2010 |
cap28: you were way out of line with the above post. . . . . . . .
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Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by steve49ja(m): 9:37am On Jun 04, 2010 |
davidif: MRbrownJAY: Yeah, that's true but it doesnt mean we should overlook everyother reasonable thing he's said. . .we dont need to crucify him, like Silentc said . . silentc: |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by EloSela(f): 12:51pm On Jun 04, 2010 |
steve49ja: No thanks! That's like asking one to disregard all the racist bigoted statements that the BNP or the KKK come out with so we can take all their other not so racist comments seriously. |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by Kobojunkie: 2:41pm On Jun 04, 2010 |
steve49ja: But every other racist out there also makes reasonable points. Even the racists he has himself pointed out did make some reasonable point. Even Hitler made some very reasonable points - who paid attention to them . . . but @cap28 chose to crucify them on the racist statement they made. @Cap28 took it upon himself to judge people to this point racists without considering the reasonable arguments they made. So why should his case be any different? Why should you be PARTIAL in this case? |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by dayokanu(m): 4:12pm On Jun 04, 2010 |
One rule for white racists another for black racists |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by silentc(m): 7:20pm On Jun 04, 2010 |
I have tried to make my point about Cap28. I will leave him to handle this situation with Bk/Bababe (apologise, defend or ignore). I personally think Cap28 should apologise in this instance. That aside, I am of the opinion that there is racism in the west and in the UK. Institutional racism (and i am not referring to skin heads or old men who spit on you on the bus and call you names). The stance of "leave the country if you experience racism and you don't like it" is not the right answer in my opinion. In our lives the only response to unfairness is not to walk away, we can choose to fight or walk away. I think Cap28 had some good points on this thread, i have not really noticed or followed his previous posts so i dont have an overall impression of him. I also think he has marred a good point he was getting across by some of his comments that are as prejudiced as the people/situation he was commenting about. He does come across as bitter, but i like to give people the benefit of the doubt. |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by Kobojunkie: 7:29pm On Jun 04, 2010 |
silentc: Care to give an example of this so-called institutionalized racism you speak of? Last I checked, in most western countries, you don't have to leave the country if you experience racism . , you can SUE THE BUTT off the perpetrators. Not sure if you are trying to engage in some pity party with that one or something. The law in most western countries allow you to fight and many who have been able to prove their cases have won. There are tons of examples of these out there. silentc: Ever considered giving those you consider racist out in the west the same benefit of the doubt? Or does this only apply in @Cap28's case? |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by dayokanu(m): 7:44pm On Jun 04, 2010 |
^^^Good responses |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by silentc(m): 7:54pm On Jun 04, 2010 |
Kobojunkie, if you read my previous posts on this topic (2-3 post back, you will see an example i gave with regards to this). Off course one can sue, but this is like the complaints department of your utility company. The rules have been set for them to have their way and not vice versa. I don't need statistics to get an impression of something i see everyday. Do you have the impression from reading my posts that I am bitter or have a personal vendetta against "racists"? If you take the time to read my own posts you will see that I am not on a crusade, but i know injustice when I see it. Same way I know injustice in Nigeria when i see it. Just the same way tribalism allows for people of a certain tribe to find it easier to find jobs in certain companies in Nigeria, do you think that if this company sets up a system to look into free and fair ways of recruiting it is going to come up with anything meaningful? why is the onus on a black person to sue due to racial prejudice? I don't agree with that. I believe that racism exists. You don't (from your response). Prejudice or racism has not hampered me in achieving the personal goals and aspirations I set out for myself (with regards to your "pity party" reference which i find insulting, but I believe it wasn't meant to aggravate). I wont wallow and cry about it, but I will speak up and challenge it where I see it. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt , please don't make assumptions about a person because of discussions on forum and I wont make assumptions about you either, but we can express our opinions as expected in a forum. |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by Kobojunkie: 8:12pm On Jun 04, 2010 |
silentc: silentc:I read your example earlier and first question I asked was HOW THE HECK IS THAT "INSTITUTIONAL" RACISM? Since when do we consider this INSTITUTIONAL? The agency probably would have called but maybe the AGENT in question was himself the problem. Why blame this on the INSTITUTION? silentc:That is a lame excuse for not PURSUING YOUR RIGHT BY LAW. If you had applied for UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, and was denied and then told that you could appeal, would you not IMMEDIATELY jump to take advantage of that opportunity afforded you by the very same LAWS? Why then is the same proces suddenly like complaints department of utility company? Don't you see how dumb this makes your argument? I mean you are all too willing to blame the SYSTEM, when the very SYSTEM(NON OMNI-PRESENT SYSTEM) provides you a way to get JUSTICE for whatever wrongs were done you, only you NEVER did take advantage of it? And you think you make sense here? silentc: Seriously I am not here to dissect your person. I am simply responding to your own posts on here. I am sorry, if these companies set up a "free and fair" way of recruiting, I suggest you take advantage of it FIRST, then if it all does not go well, then you come load us up with your complaints. Not come in here to CONDEMN that which you are not even WILLING TO try, and think you are addressing buffoons. Millions across the world have used the very systems and gotten justice, some mullah, but here you are telling us it does not work just because YOU THINK IT. Black america has been able to use it to even get so many of their own in high seats across the country and beyond and you are here to tell us it does not work JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK IT, not even that you have tried it and it failed you. hiss! silentc:Please do not attempt to psychoanalyze me with your limited sight there. silentc:Well, I hate to break it to you. EVen the accomplished do have those. You won't wallow and cry about it? What in the world have you been doing all this while? Telling us of YOUR PERSONAL experience and how the LAW actually failed you? lol silentc:Sorry, I doubt you do. Going by the fact that you started off accusing the system of being unjust when YOU have likely never tried the system to find it wanting. I doubt you do. You would have to do a better job convincing me that you are not just blowing fluff up our behinds with the claims you have so far made of your person. Your own words continue to betray you. |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by silentc(m): 8:30pm On Jun 04, 2010 |
^^^^^^^ You have shown that there is no need for me to have a conversation with you as you arent civil. I would have tried to carry on the conversation with you, but your choice of words are in no way showing you are ready to have a debate that wont end up in the exchange of insults. Using words like "lame excuse", "Don't you see how dumb this makes your argument", "not even that you have tried it and it failed you. hiss!", "with your limited sight there", "not just blowing fluff up our behinds with the claims you have so far made of your person" surely take me beyond the point where I can discuss with you. I don't have to prove anything to you (about who I am, what I want out of life or what I have been able to achieve). Here is what I am going to do, I will ignore all your posts as it seems you cannot converse without being rude and please ignore any posts I make on this forum. As they say, each to his own, your view on life works for you and mine works for me, I dont pay your bills or have any influence over your life and you dont in mine. I am happy to carry on this conversation with anyone else on this topic who is interested. |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by Kobojunkie: 8:37pm On Jun 04, 2010 |
silentc:Dude, telling you an argument is DUMB is just that. I can't TRY such an argument when you willingly admit it is BASELESS. You freely CONDEMN a SYSTEM you have NOT even tried and you expect me to discuss it how? How does anyone do that? It seems you are not even willing to consider the seriousness of the accusations you make as it is likely you feel you are free to make such claims without needing to justify it in anyway. silentc:I did not ask that you do that either. Not sure why I should really care who you are and what nots. I am simply here to discuss the ASSERTIONS you have continued to make against SYSTEMS you confess you have NOT EVEN made attempts to test. If one black man comes up to you to tell you that the UK government was racist, and 100 come to you to tell you how the the same UK government handled their racism cases and got them justice. Don't you think it would be stupid to still conclude that the UK government was racist? silentc:Oh boy!!! Look, even on Nairaland, there are intelligent human beings who are unwilling to swallow words you spout just because they came from you. You have to be at least willing to OFFER up something tangible for assertions you make, yes, even on nairaland. You might feel it is OK to go around ACCUSING PEOPLE AND INSTITUTIONS OF RACISM, but at least be willing to stand when your claims are questioned. |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by davidif: 4:25am On Jun 05, 2010 |
steve49ja: No way! The guy just discredited himself. A racist is always a racist period. BTW, why do i get the feeling that silentc is cap28? |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by silentc(m): 7:24am On Jun 05, 2010 |
David, I can assure you we aren't the same person. I have had some communications with Cap28 (sometime earlier this year) on similar issues about racism and he just came across as passionate and not a racist. These recent posts prove to be different. I agree the guy discredited himself, no arguments there. His delivery or style is not good at all, but some of his content made sense. But overall, you have to win your audience over and he lost people on the way especially with his comment to Bkbabe (and I personally think he should apologise) |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by Katsumoto: 4:37pm On Jun 05, 2010 |
Kobojunkie Racism is a form of discrimination and it exists in different forms in different countries. Whilst many in the UK may complain about racism, they do so without knowledge of what obtains in other European countries such as Germany and France where opportunities are less for black people. It is the case of the man who complained about having no shoes until he met a man with no feet. The point I was making initially is that, it is wrong for Africans, especially Nigerians, to travel to Europe or the US and complaim about racism when a different kind of discrimination, tribalism and nepotism, is highly evident in their own countries. I am of the view that you can not accuse someone else of a sin if you are also guilty of the same sin but that does not mean that the sin is non-existent. I agree with Silentc that there is institutional racism in Europe and the US as long as the discussion is about racism outside Nigeria. |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by Kobojunkie: 4:47pm On Jun 05, 2010 |
Katsumoto: I DID NOT disagree with his statement that there is probably INSTITUTIONAL RACISM. All I did was ask him for examples and he couldn't give one. |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by silentc(m): 5:19pm On Jun 05, 2010 |
Katsumomo thanks for your comments. We have to look inside and be honest with our selves first. If you look back on some previous posts on this topic, I agreed that that tribalism and nepotism which is another form of prejudice exists in Nigeria. This topic was about injustice abroad hence why I wasnt going into that in detail, but your comments are valid 100%. If you have the time, see some previous conversation I had on another similar topic (Feb 2010)where Cap28 was involved on similar issues. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=394721.msg5491008#msg5491008 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=394721.msg5492565#msg5492565 I like your analogy of a man with no shoes meeting a man with no feet. I know that there are less opportunities for black in France or Germany (experiences of friends etc). I think the UK is better than these countries in terms of discrimination, but i concur that discrimination exists across Europe. |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by Busybody2(f): 11:52pm On Jun 05, 2010 |
Not trying to absolve cap28 of his gaffe i.e. racial stereotyping of bkbabe97's Country and parents, but to those crying more than the bereaved, haven't bkbabe97 said worse to IGBO people on NL, who are still Nigerians the last time I checked ![]() And if you Nigerians are indeed one nation and their brother's keeper, why don't you see anything wrong in him cursing and slamming the ndigbos and their fathers and forefathers with names such as kidnappers, drug dealers, human sacrifices and Armed Robbery based on their past? Isn't he essentially saying Nigerians are scammers, kidnappers, drug dealers, etc. Ain't his vilification racist too? Not saying two wrongs are right, but abeg free Cap28, and in the wise words of bkbabe97 - to those always getting their knickers in a twist over my posts, chill, its the internet, I don't hate in real life, I have igbo friends ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by Busybody2(f): 12:07am On Jun 06, 2010 |
Hmmm, whats new, i guess Kobojunkie screaming sue, sue, sue, hasn't heard of the idiom " to close ranks" Wonder what material the bubble she lives in is made of ![]() ![]() And to those claiming the newspaper went to town with the James Bulger case in the UK, how comes the little fact that that little boy was sexually molested and possibly despoiled not revealed to the public, hence the reason for the hush hush approach now being taken with him being incarcerated for possession of grade 2 child indecency ![]() ![]() @ silentc thanks for being the voice of reason ![]() @ Nwaka77 This is for you ![]() ![]() ![]() To whom it may concern Children of immigrant too dey yarn, in a Country that has designated Nigeria as an "Ethnic Origin" alongside Somalia, i no fit shout ![]() |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by Katsumoto: 12:14am On Jun 06, 2010 |
silentc: Interesting threads there. I have also debated some other issues with Cap28. I usually agree with his identification of an issue but I usually disagree with him on the analysis and solutions of the issues. A lot of Black people face these issues and while some let it get to them, others use it to spur themselves on to greater things. People who always have to prove themselves tend to operate at such a high level of competence while their European peers tend to be complacent. Also, there are black people who have been frustrated out of employment who have gone on to establish themselves as credible entrepreneurs. At the end of the day, life is too short to be blaming others for your situation in life. With all the difficulties experienced by black people before the civil rights movements, there were black people who were millionaires in the US. Now compare the laziness exhibited by some black people in the states who blame the white man for everything even though the white man didn't stop them from reading or going to school. |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by Kobojunkie: 12:15am On Jun 06, 2010 |
Busy_body: To close ranks? Sigh! If not for the people who took it on themselves to challenge and use the very system to break down walls they encountered on their journey to fulfilling their destiny, you would not be here yapping in the manner you are doing right now. I have great respect for those who actually DO SOMETHING about the problems they find,and not those who go ON WHINING and blaming the system for having walls,and not being perfect by their definition, and NEVER ever attempt to use the system, where they can, to bring down those walls. |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by Busybody2(f): 12:36am On Jun 06, 2010 |
Kobojunkie: I see, from Kobojunkie's logic, every wall and glass ceiling is penetrable, you ain't never lied, keep smoking whachu smoking aiight ![]() |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by bkbabe97: 3:14am On Jun 06, 2010 |
Busy_body: Dude, all I do is give bigots such as Mekusxx, Dede1, Wily+Wily, MENTAL GONG and co a taste of their own medicine. They write something about the Yorubas, I google it/ask friends and family who are more knowledgeable, find out its false, and voila: I PUT OUT SOMETHING THAT IS TRUE ABOUT THE IBOS! Yes, it might be exaggerated, but I just love to see their reaction when they are on the receiving end; as we both know they never like it that much! Now u remember u are all Nigerians, why, cus a "foreigner" named BK/BABE97 has jumped in the fray? Cuzo, I never seen u chastise ur Ibo brethren when they go on their rampage! Do that then I'll call ur utterances above "sincere", but until then, dont sit of the fence when ur family is hacking the neighbor then start screaming for the police when the neighbor somehow grabs a hold of the machete and starts chasing ur fam down the road! Oh, by the way, I dont just have friends that are Ibo, my sisters are Ibo too! Cheers! ![]() |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by davidif: 4:31am On Jun 06, 2010 |
Busy_body: WHAT A WAY TO CONTRADICT YOURSELF. YOU SAID THAT YOU ARE NOT TRYING TO ABSOLVE WHAT BKBABE97 DID BUT YOU JUST DID THAT IN YOUR POST. TWO WRONGS NEVER MAKE A RIGHT. YOU CAN NEVER JUSTIFY RACISM. |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by AngieFan(f): 7:25am On Jun 06, 2010 |
And to those claiming the newspaper went to town with the James Bulger case in the UK, how comes the little fact that that little boy was sexually molested and possibly despoiled not revealed to the public, hence the reason for the hush hush approach now being taken with him being incarcerated for possession of grade 2 child indecency Undecided And you must think Nairalanders have collective amnesia by claiming you don't hate Nigeria/Nigerians Cool @Busy Body I suppose the above response was for me? Please be brave enough to address me directly in future. I don't bite! ![]() So how did you know about the molestation then if it wasn't revealed to the public? Were you there when the murder was carried out or did you read it in the BRITISH press? The same press you claim covered it up? Yes your memory is indeed dim. I have never stated or implied that I hated Nigerians or Nigeria in this thread or any other. |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by metalgong5(m): 8:44am On Jun 06, 2010 |
bk/babe97:You must be a demented Latino bastar-d. It is obvious that every man that services your adulterous mama for more than 24hrs automatically becomes your step father.Why keep on looking for where to belong after being rejected by the latino community? Yesterday, your step father was a Yoruba man, today it is an Ibo man, tomorrow it might be a Jamaican man. What a pathetic life!! Jeez |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by bkbabe97: 10:21am On Jun 06, 2010 |
metal-gong: Lol. Why cant Ibo men ever stop lying? Following me from thread to thread spreading falsities. Wow! Desperation! Anyhoo, all I got for u are the words of the great philosper, Plies: "SECURITY I NEED HELP, THIS CO.CK BLOCKING IBO HOMO STALKING!!!" I dont do MALE GROUPIES!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsmqrk7Wgsk |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by davidif: 10:55pm On Jun 06, 2010 |
metal-gong: Geez, how could somebody say this about another human being?? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Have U Ever Experienced Injustice Abroad? by Busybody2(f): 3:12am On Jun 07, 2010 |
davidif: Did I say I wasn't trying to absolve what BkBabe97 did or absolve cap28 of his blunder ![]() I can see you need reading goggles ![]() bk/babe97: I ain't Nigerian, I am from Bakassi which has since been ceded to Camerooun ![]() My only concern now, which is why i sleep with one eye open, is that with the Igbo people's ideology that they are the lost tribe of israel hence are going to chase away the Deltans from their land, cos the land belongs to them, and that they are also going to Cameroon to claim Bakassi back ![]() @ Angiefan WBB ![]() |
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