i guess ezeagu is now going to tell me oduduwa was nri cos some igbos also believe nri came from heaven, hahahahaha

I've been silently reading what you, Physics, Ogbuefi, Omonuan, Chyz, Andre, etc. have since been posting, commenting and replying each other. I have been quiet, and I have been paying attention. You don't get the picture, exotik. When it comes to categorization, 'want' is irrelevant.

When it comes to categorization, 'want' is irrelevant.

and that is ur personal opinion.

No. That is fact. Categorization is an objective exercise, not a subjective/sentimental one.

ChinenyeN:

No. That is fact. Categorization is an objective exercise, not a subjective/sentimental one.

and who does the "categorization"?

Anyone with objectivity. For instance, anyone with objectivity knows that Ika clearly exemplifies "Igbo", linguistically (first and foremost) and culturally. They can feel any way they want to about their identity. It still will not change the fact that their language (in particular) and culture will fundamentally be categorized as "Igbo" by any person with objectivity. So, like I stated earlier, this is not about identity. It is about categorization.

ChinenyeN:

Anyone with objectivity. For instance, anyone with objectivity knows that Ika clearly exemplifies "Igbo", linguistically (first and foremost) and culturally. They can feel any way they want to about their identity. It still will not change the fact that their language (in particular) and culture will fundamentally be categorized as "Igbo" by any person with objectivity. So, like I stated earlier, this is not about identity. It is about categorization.

"anyone” with objectivity already makes it "subjective”

and on the contrary, linguistically and culturally they are both edoid and igbotic, so that is why they are unique and different from both groups.  the ika word itself is of edo-origin and not of igbo-origin. so who is to say they are to be categorized as igbo and not edo? you?

The person doing the categorization has little to no bearing on the actual characteristics being categorized. Anyway, you can feel free to continue on with ezeagu, andre and whomever else. I just wanted to come in here and let you know that there's a difference between identifying and categorizing.

The person doing the categorization has little to no bearing on the actual characteristics being categorized.

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I just wanted to come in here and let you know that there's a difference between identifying and categorizing.

awwww, how gracious and generous of you eistien, but i already knew dat. and that was why i identified as usen and categorized myself as edo. if u were following like u claimed, u would have known dat.

Anyway, you can feel free to continue on with ezeagu, andre and whomever else.

aight then. and please dont hit your head on the door on your way out.

"but i already knew dat. and that was why i identified as usen and categorized myself as edo."

----- Yet, you have consistently failed to apply that logic to Ika, why?

and i thought u were gone, i guess the door didnt open.

"----- Yet, you have consistently failed to apply that logic to Ika, why?"

well, since they have their own identities and want their own "categorization", i dont see any reason why i should group them as edo. and most importantly, i don’t see any reason why they shouldn’t have their own “category”

now, you tell me why they should be categorized as igbo when it is clear that both linguistically and culturally, they are both edoid and igbotic people. any reason you want them to be categorized as igbo apart from a subjective/sentimental one?

roflmao ! @ "it is clear that both linguistically and culturally, they are both edoid and igbotic people".

U might as well call all of the "igbo" people edoid with the amount of words we share with the "edo". Your response is totally of course. it's either he doesn't get what ChinenyeN made picture perfectly clear or either he doesn't get it but is playing dumb for the sake of pride.

^
yeah ryt.

"it is clear that both linguistically and culturally, they are both edoid and igbotic people"

^^
dat is a fact reading from iguefi's long arse essays not to even mention those of agbontaen's

hmm sad

I came back because my interest was rekindled for that short moment, but everything else which exotik subsequently posted killed that interest. Chyz, I agree. Either he really doesn't understand, or he's just being stubborn.

The Edo and Ika (and the rest of Anioma) are similar to the French and the English. The English have adopted a lot of language, government and art from the French, but till today England and France are known to be oil and water (well, England and anybody is really oil and water, but you understand). Don't listen to agborntaen, or whoever, because it would be a long time till hell freezes over that a true Ika chief would bow to being a Bini man (especially an Agbor chief). By the way the hilarious thing about all this is that Bini people call anything from the Ossiomo river and easterly 'Ovbi Igbo' or is it 'Owi Igbo'. That pretty much end's the argument because this is the truth.

lol, this one says im stubborn, the other one says im playing dumb, all becos i won't agree to ur line of thought and "categorization".

but like i said, as biased as iguefi's long essays are, u still can't rule out that fact dat the people are both edoid and igbotic linguistically and culturally, not to even mention agbontaen's essays.

so why should they be "categorized" as igbos and not edos apart from subjective/sentimental reasons? i couldn't get any answer yet im the dumb and stubborn one. i guess i will have to wait for another one of iguefi's essays for a proper explanation coz now im bored. gudnyt.

Let's write that again shall we:

[center][size=14pt]Anioma are categorized as 'Ovbi Igbo' by the neighbouring Edo.[/size]

[size=14pt]Nothing like Ovbi Anioma or Ovbi Igbo-Bini, or even Ovbi Ika.[/size][/center]

^stop lying coz there is ovbi-ika, there is ovbi-kwale, there is ovbi-igbanke etc etc all in edo language.

there is even ovbi-usen in edo language and that is my tribe. stop the assumptions and lies.

[size=20pt]A guide to touring Edo land as an Ovbi Igbo.[/size]

[size=18pt]Chapter 1.[/size]

[size=14pt]Section 1.[/size]

Arriving in ìdú

If you visit Benin city you may be asked where you are from, if you are from Agbor, for example, you will get an expression like 'eh, Ovbi-Igbo!'

exotik:

there is even ovbi-usen in edo language and that is my tribe. stop the assumptions and lies. 

Are Anioma people called 'Ovbi Igbo' in Benin City, swear on your Yoruba gods!

lol, ezeagu
so which of the yoruba gods i should swear on? orisha that onitsha was named after?

and the yoruba and igbo identity are bogus ones as far as im concerned

Who posted this nonsense about Yoruba? Eh, which one of you said that?

exotik:

orisha that onitsha was named after?

You mean like in Ebonyi?

http://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/uploads/maps/stateMaps/images/530c8f1f416e21da102efa60ba95035cbac85ea7.jpg

exotik:

^stop lying coz there is ovbi-ika, there is ovbi-kwale, there is ovbi-igbanke etc etc all in edo language.

exotik i dont think anybody is denying the cultural effect of the bini's on the igbos west of the niger.

Just because english man came and change bishop ajayi's crowder name from yoruba to oyibo does that stop making him yoruba?
Just because we speak english in nigeria due to british influence does that stop making us who we are and now british?
Just because we have states and LGA's and Attorney Generals (all titles we learned from the west) does that make us westerners?
Now just because igbos west of the niger river have some Bini traditions/names/influence doesnt make them not igbos?

E na nu? (u dey hear?)

Je ofuma (go in peace)

Have a nice day!!

@igbo boy,

dat was a weak argument, because i can turn everything u said around and say becos they are binis with nri influence does not make them igbo.

if we are to believe igbos migration theory and they migrated from wherever they claimed they migrated from, is it not possible dat they are not the original occupants of the land but just migrants?

the british migrated to nigeria also, that is why even though we speak a dialect of english, we are not british. so yeah, even though they speak a dialect of what u categorize as "igbo" does not make them igbo. after all, even ur nri igbo-jewish theory also support the fact that igbos are the migrants not edos.

they are not igbos just like are not edos. those claiming they are igbos are the igbo migrants and i guess u are one of such migrants.

and oh, i did have a nice day, thanx. i hope u slept well.

@exotic
Shuoo see me see trouble o, How will an outsider come and tell me who i am again?

I am yet to meet an Oshimili man that will say he is Bini? The few times I went to my village the villagers were all behaving very igbotic.

And oh yea my sleep was splendid.

Have a nice day!!!

im not an outsider. im part of the discussion just like everyone else.

u say u are igbo, good for u. but agbontaen says he is not igbo, good for him too.

but those who say they are igbos must not impose their beliefs and ideologies on those who say they are not. some even say they are edos and should be allowed to identify as edo.

ROTFLMFAO@ Exotic et al who are very scared of Igbo unity.Nobody has imposed Igboism on Ika or any other Igbo group but the issue is that we speak the same language and it is language that makes an Igbo.You make it seem like the SE speak one dialect and have homogenous culture.You need to travel and stop being stuck at one place.Abia and Ebonyi states are more diverse than Anioma in terms of culture and dialects.The unifying culture is Ekpe which is an Ibibio influence.Going by your logic no Igbo group including Nri is Igbo because Nri itself is mixed with Igala.

If Ika is classified as a different ethnic group,why would Abiriba,Izzi,Mgbo,Ngwa,Ohafia,Oru and Isu be counted as one?Ika is more influenced by Nri than any of the groups above while their language is not even as deviated from Nri.