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Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by AndreUweh(m): 7:01pm On Jul 12, 2011 |
abagoro:WORD. vicenzo:WORD |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by AndreUweh(m): 7:06pm On Jul 12, 2011 |
abagoro:Thanks Abagworo, thanks for bring this up. Even Prof Onwuejeogwu who spent over 20 years of his career researching on Western Igbo people is from Anioma/Delta state. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by NegroNtns(m): 10:06pm On Jul 12, 2011 |
Agbotaen, You know me as a defender of the truth. If there is no one else left standing in your defense Negro will be there for you. I am still on your side and questioning this senseless propaganda by Igbos to grab lands for a forcefull creation of Anioma state. They learnt, to their benefit, from the Asaba saga. After reading your last response and the counter responses from Abagworo, Andre and Vincen, there is a thought in mind but I will refrain from saying it here because I see an advantage in its wisdom that could serve a benefit for Yoruba if ever their pathetic ambition lead them into wanting to claim Edoland. I do have a question for you but first let me give illustration. All Nigerian ethnic grps are patrilineal. Name is a child's identity. Name is also the land's identity. I noticed that repeatedly, the Ika names and the Ika territory are all leaning towards an Nri foothold than a Bini one. Why give your child an Igbo name, in preference to Bini name, unless that Igbo represent a far greater eminence in your ancestral pride and past? Rituals and festvals are fluid. Lagos has Eyo, but Eyo is from Ijebu. Lagos also has Igunnu, but Igunnu is from Old Oyo and what is now Nupe. However, the Kings of Lagos are Bini by ancestry but Bini cannot claim ownership of the land. If say lands in Lagos and the native children are named after Bini, then it means Lagos is faced away from Awori and towards Bini for its glory and allegiance. So why are your people, Ika, carrying Igbo pride in name and land but denying membership in the Nri ancestry? |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by igboboy1(m): 7:41am On Jul 13, 2011 |
The SIT DOWN with Wizboyy Can you give us a small intro? Can you introduce yourself? Who is Wizboyy? http://questionmarkmag.com/2011/06/the-sit-down-with-wizboyy/ I believe we all know Wizboy from Owu sa gi fame And here is an Ika Boy from umunede, who knows where he is from not agbotanen, |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by NegroNtns(m): 9:36am On Jul 13, 2011 |
Igbo Boy, Where in the context did "Wizzy" say he is of Igbo descent or that Ika is Igbo? I know he said onwu sa gi is an Igbo expression. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by igboboy1(m): 1:05am On Jul 14, 2011 |
negro_ntns Am not going to argue with you who is igbo and who is not, But i believe i am in a better position to speak on this matter than you, How can someone all the way from Ijebu come and tell and Oshimili man or and Ika Man or an Ndokwa man whether he is igbo or not? ![]() |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by NegroNtns(m): 2:04am On Jul 14, 2011 |
Hmm, don't worry. We shall meet again. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by otapiapia: 5:31pm On Jul 14, 2011 |
igbo boy: Dont mind these silly Ijebu people coming to talk what they do not know about. Igbo boy, thanks for that link on wizboyy. I use to think he was from Enugu. I dey the dude music die, especially the 'obodo' track with godwon. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by NegroNtns(m): 6:59pm On Jul 14, 2011 |
Dont mind these silly Ijebu people coming to talk what they do not know about. Hey 'tapiapia, Make Chineke hamma ya yansh! Ijebu go take ya land. Onitshe-Ugbo no belong to una. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by lepasharon(f): 7:41pm On Jul 14, 2011 |
my gosh is dis page still going on?? im sure the poster knows d difference now abeg i dey receive ttoo many messages |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by igboboy1(m): 8:28am On Jul 15, 2011 |
otapiapia: Yea i think he grew up in Enugu, Just like flavour N'abania grew up in Enugu but is from Anambra. Nna the Obodo song makeri sense eziokwu. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by igboboy1(m): 8:29am On Jul 15, 2011 |
Negro_Ntns: I have a feeling you were reared overseas |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by otapiapia: 9:42am On Jul 15, 2011 |
igbo boy: I just lof Enugu. Lots of great things coming out of there. I'll call it the centre of entertainment of the East. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by igboboy1(m): 9:55am On Jul 15, 2011 |
otapiapia:true, some great arts have emerge from there lately illbliss wizboy flavour obiwon depserate chicks drenco shakar el swagga etc |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by agbotaen: 8:56pm On Jul 18, 2011 |
well i think it is funny for those internet historians who only want to say owa migrated from igboland ,aint they funny , what about owa that migrated also from benin or are you afraid to go to www.ndiowa.com and tell us what you find there ? and does obi of owa belong to ohaneze ndigbo ? the answer is no , and the fact is that we have passed all these , and no proper owa person would like to be called igbo , just like we would not like to be called bini , but we are ika people . please read ika , land and her people published by ika group and onu ika , check owa history . and like i have always said the founders of owa came from ikoha in benin to dwell in a place called owa ofien today ,500 years before odogun came from ute okpu , and you can check the book called ndiowa and her monarch ,published in 2009 , that is the most comprehensive book on owa history , you can get it at the owa royal palace in oyibu .you will find some of these information there. and if you go to ute okpu , you will find out that some people said odogun came from nri , while other elders say he came from benin , and do you know what their father ijue, and children odogun/edogun, ogbeje, igbedigi and okpu are all bearing edo names . so we know that ute had both benin and igbo migrants and in owa too , we had both edo and igbo migrants but our elders and historians say the bini came first and that is settled . but we are ika . ika people are divided into three language groups, western , central and eastern ikas , and they have slight dialectrical languga with those near aniocha area speaking languages that is near aniocha area . i will list some things in owa dialect of ika. due to the coming of the missionaries and education and influence of our neighbours , our language has undergone some changes , however i am going to make some list as spoken in owa ,for the interest of some owa / ika people who are outside of ika land . 1. God - oselobue ,this is original name for God , then later the word chukwu came also to be used. 2. ehi- guardian spirit. 3. orimi- heavenly/ spirit world. 4. ebon/ ogbe/ugbe- family 5. iboze/ agbon -lineage . 6. ogbe -town 7. idumu- village 8.ogbe- big 9.okpoho- woman 10. okenyen - man 11. okpoho -oba - matured woman 12. okenyen- oba - matured man 13. nedi- father 14. nnen- mother 15. nene- old woman/grand mother 16. odede- old woman/ grand mother 17. edionma- old man /grand father . 18. diokpa- old man . 19. oye - grand child 20. great grand child- utientien 21. great great grAND CHILD - sakpamaghori. 22. great great great grand child- oromaria 23.grand father - nedi kani 24. great grand father -nediodede 25.great grand mother neneodede 26. ewuru- shirt 27. satan- ojuwu 28. evil spirit ihonghai 29. dead lock- dada or ogbeihaga 30.cloths -ngburu 31, uniform- izagin 32. trouser -otoliwa 33. skirt -ubulukun 34.pot- ugbegbe 35. door- ekwe 36. glass- ughegbe 37. grinder -olo 38. plate - okpan 39.breakable- okpan akponi/ 40. palm oil - ofingbon 41. light orukpe or ukpe 42. sun - enyanwun 43.air- ufere 44. kola- ogi 45. yam - igi 46. bucket -ukpabo 47. fan- ezuzu 48. chief -ohaime 49.cup -ogban/ mkpu 50.knife -ebeke 51. fowl- ohuhu 52.sword -olokor 53. stool - ekete 54. throne- ukpo 55. room - mmughe 56. parlour -ibere 57.kitchen-ukelu 58. moon - ifon 59. star - okokise 60. basket -ukpali 61. foundation-iyetor 62. bell - azah 63. bank- aza 64. gong- egogo 65. cutlas -opia/ asara 66. ihian- person 67. parrot- okue 68. lion- udumen/ eduke 69. leopard -eworo 70. tiger -ubidon 71- goat -ewu 72. female goat - odegbe 73. sheep -iloloh 74. floor -akpakali 75. bed -elukpo 76. palace- ogua 78. young female -igbagba 79. youth leader -olotu 80. head of youths -okaigbogbo 81. village head - edionma/ okibali/ okparan 82. barren -agan 83.dirty person - obon 84. dirt-etita 85. disgrace- uyaghami 86. farm- ogo/ eku/ ugbo 87. big farm - ekuku 88. singer -okarugba 89. swimmer- ozigue . 90. palm tree - okete 91. palmwine tapper- okpe 92. hunter -ogbeni/ohue 93. drummer - otida 94. drum - ida 95. staff of office - ada 96. scimiter- ebenren 97. nurse- owina / okawina 98. native doctor -obu / idibie 99. chief priest -ojobu 100. priest -ohenren 101. thank you - do / ndao 102. good night -oheki 103. suffer - uya . 104. happiness- ighogho 105. joy - oyo 106. thanks giving - onyimiseme 107- destiny - oriehi 108. fan- ezuzu 109. olokun- deity of sea 110- ogun/idigun/uzun- deity of iron 110- ohointe - god of war 111. thunder deity - mkpitime . 112. wind god - ajan 113. god of the earth- aliuzugbo 114. wirlwind -ebi 115. thunder- akpara 116. morning greetings - laire , laiweze and laiwe 117. greeting while eating is kada 118. greeting after meal is lakpoma . 119, greeting on a journey is iyare 120, greeting from a short journey is alua or aoo. 121`. naming ceremony is igba mkpoudu 122. long life is utormi . 123. greetings for a new child is omeghigho 124. play - ikiri 125, playing is igba ikiri. 126. whip - iberi/aya 127.arrow- ekpede 128. bullet - igele 129. poison- edide 130. day - uhoin 131 .hill - oke 132- giant- aduaruan 133. river - iyi 134. sea- ohinmin 135. valley - iyere 136. desert - ozara 137. forest- egboko 138. bicycle- ikeke 139. bottle - ogo 140. major road- uwaya 141. junction- ebuh 142. sickness -irehun/ emu 143. sickly-okunmun 144.dysentry- zegizegi 145. sweet - neneh/ usuo 146. maracas- isheke 147. cat- ologbo 148. slave- igbon 149. ibiegwa- royal servant 150. servant- odibo 151. omuada- holder of the staff of office 152. groundnut- isawewe 153. cotton - oruru 154. bachelor- ohai 155. spinster- idegbe 156- marriage - mgba. 157. ozegbe - victory 158. ediebo edienwase- staff of native doctors. 159. ofo- ancestor staff. 160. otsun- staff of power. 161 . king , ogiso/ obi / 162. nobore- royal guards . 163. ikpele/ ejije- oba- beads for chiefs. 164.horse- eshin 165. dog - nkite 166. tortoise - okpoikpo/ mbeku 167.rat- ogwo 168. sparrow -elekeleke 169. nail- ise 170. ohi- darkness 171. anger -ize/ iwe . 172.oda- plenty. 173. odin- deaf 174. iheneden- big. 175. gbamiroko- not true. 176. lies- ero/ ntu./ elenkesi 178. true- nkesi/ ezioku 179.utu-exit |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by agbotaen: 8:57pm On Jul 18, 2011 |
i will send more , later |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by AndreUweh(m): 9:24pm On Jul 18, 2011 |
Agbontaen, you lack creativity. This same crap you have been posting since one year now has not changed even a word. Just as there are numerous dialects in Yorubaland so it is in Igboland. I can understand 75-80% of what you posted. But have a look at mine from Isinweke. Yet we do not deny our Igbo heritage. Man-Okobrinwoko. Fat-uduburu nkpoko-bed mainroad-ogidiala sweet-ucho. to flog-igha hye Shoe-Agbagha Play-uro cloth-nwi to kick-nteleukwu dream-egugo anger-oghughobi More soon. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by NegroNtns(m): 11:36pm On Jul 18, 2011 |
<Quote>Ogbuefi 1: 1) What does the name "Owa" mean ? Owa is derived from "Owa ri onwea" which in our dialect of Igbo means " he has parted ways".This is how the name came about. Owa owns her foundation to three princes from Ute Okpu namely Odogwu, Izomor and Igbegidi.The Ute Okpu and Ute Ogbeje people were founded by Nri people which we Anioma people call "Nhi"(in Ika dialect) or Nshi(in other Anioma dialect).These people originall settled at Ute Ogbeje but some of them led by Ijue moved westards to found Ute Okpu.During the reign of Oba Ewuare many Anioma clans were invaded by Benin forces and some of them were cajoled to join the imperial Benin army when they refocused their imperial tendencies westwards towards Yorubaland.The sons of Ijue, the founder and first Obi of Ute Okpu were involved in the wars against such towns like Akure and Owo and for many years were engaged in those wars</quote> Ogbuefi, you are one of the reasons why I left Foreign Affairs section to concentrate in home politics and rebutt the Igbo propaganda machine. I don't need a 5page history on your response but I need you to pay attention to your falsification of history in the above and answer to the following (1) name the war and the year that Bini fought a war with Akure and Owo or anywhere else in Yorubaland.; (2) who won the war? Andre Uweh, Agbotaen repeatedly has said that his people and their land was first settled by Edo people and through the missionary influence (in which oyibo favored the more subordinate Igbo tribe over the insubordinating ones like Edo, Igbo became the "house slave" and was installed the native missioner) that taught church and instructions in Igbo language, the original tongue of the land became a fluid that is now called Ika. Ika peoiple refuse to be Igbo because in their nature they have never been one beside language tutoring and subsequent Igbo settlers from the East. Their nativity is proto-Bini, but even with that admission, their destiny and social evolution had parted with that of Bini years ago to the point now that they are a distinct identity from Bini, connected only through ancient progenitors. Nonetheless, in contemporary society they are a distinct IKA people, forget language influence, forget settlement story, forget names. . . They are not Igbo, period! You Andre is emophasizing language as a proof of their Igbo root, even after it is established that if Igbo had been more resistant and resilient and not subordinate to oyibo's mission, you never would have been the one instructing christianity and hence your language would have had no presence over the native tongue of the neighboring indigenes. Leave Ika alone, they are not Igbo. Do you get it at all? |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by aljharem3: 12:21am On Jul 19, 2011 |
Ok now i understand Ika's point of view Agbotean has been right all this while but we have just fail to listen to him Andre is also right but i think Agbotean did not understand you Ika is like an ethnic group that connects the igbos and edo together Ikas are actually edo people but there language is an igbo dialect http://www.ikaworld.com/index.php?mod=article&cat=IkaHistoryamp;Tradition&article=207 if so then it is hight time we leave them |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by bokohalal(m): 4:45am On Jul 19, 2011 |
agbotaen:I would want Ogbuefi to verify if what Agbontaen posted is Ika.Only very few words therein defied my understanding as an Edo.If Andre Uweh insists that the above is Igbo they should not stop at Anioma but claim Edo as Igbo also. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by bright007(f): 5:55am On Jul 19, 2011 |
**most of ťĥĕ words have d same meaning as in edo language* |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by vicenzo(m): 8:12am On Jul 19, 2011 |
I wonder what we are still discussing here,the obi of owa is the custodian of owa history,he has the last say in this matter,and he has consistently said that owa is of NSHI(nri) ancestry,not edo,of course he is aware of some edo minority,but he knows they are not relevant in the grand scheme of things,that my friends is what matters,not what some deluded individual thinks,or are we going to take the rantings of agbotaen over that of his obi? alj_harem: |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by vicenzo(m): 8:36am On Jul 19, 2011 |
Negro_Ntns: leave them alone?Ijebuman,it is not your job to defend ika(owa),its the job of the obi of owa,and he is not leaving us,he is holding tight,he said he is of nri ancestry,did you hear that? Not ika,not edo,but nri(NSHI) so back off. As an ijebuman,you should be more concerned about the mud houses that is the norm in ijebuland,what solution do you have to stop that disgrace,this and more should be your concern,not ndiigbo. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by vicenzo(m): 8:50am On Jul 19, 2011 |
Infact the issue here is not whether ika is igbo or not,we have since passed that stage in this thread,ezeagu's post solved that,the issue here is how ndiigbo should help anioma to reclaim,igbo communities in edo such as igbanke,ekpon and iru,while retaining oza people in agbor,that is the issue. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by agbotaen: 12:23pm On Jul 19, 2011 |
for those who like to quote professor owunjeogun, who is from igbuzo, our own owa professors like- 1. professor . o. osaigbovou 2. professor .k. echenim 3. professor eric eboh 4. professor igborgbor 5.professor .p. okoh, 6. dr. r. owabor 7. professor .p. agbontaen 8. justice ehiwarrior 9. prince nduka obaigbena 10. chief dan. agbobu 11. chief ehiobu ihaza 12. hon g. iwerebor 13.chief obiaigwe and others have helped us define our history . beyong this , right now in owa kingdom , many owa villages and towns are coming out with their own history , and owa- alero has just published their own book ,their own migration story , like i said before owa is a heterogenous community with people coming from bini, ishan, ukwani, ora, igbo and other places , but over time and with the comig of the first king of owa , odogun , owa became united into one entity called owa kingdom and we are ikas , our language is a mix of igbo and edo , we know words that came from igbo and we those that came from edo . and ika language is slightly different from area to area , we have western, central and eastern ika ( igbodo and ekwuoma are eastern ika people. what i wrote is ika language as spoken by my community in owa kingdom, i am not from igbodo , igbodo is 30 miles from owa .let me continue. 180. armlet - egba 181- complete blessing -egbai 182. blessing - nobor / ngozi 183. fornication- aghere 184.lazy- lanzuzun 185. greedy- osian 186. thank - ikpamin 187- greet -ekele 188. novice or not learned- ogberi 189. love- iboh 190. hate - arigho 191. bend - hie 192. bind- ken egbun 193. blindfold nwanrofin 194. coffin - ekpeti orinmi 195. spoil- wiwi 196.cassava -mmanaka/ akpun 197. catch - kwondon 198. let go - bihia 199. cemetary - ikpekpe 200. necromancy- iman ihian 201. repent /turn around- gbehuto 202. stick - iza 203. outside the house- isere 204. confusion- nkikon 205. trouble -ukpokpo 206. evil thing - idoboro 207. visitors- otumunyen 208. neigbbours- edogbo 209. hand - eka 210- mouth- onun 211. witch- ogbpme 212. coven- ubom 213. wealth- efe 214- rich man - odafe 215. rich woman - oriuwe 216.dissappear- henren 217. elephant- enyin 218.empty- ufori 219. evidence- eri 220 , to bear witness- oshia-eri 221. evil- asua 223. friend - osi/ owu 234. poor -eson 235. spit - eson 236. forgive -gbahari. 237. respect- ogho 238.lucky- ewere 239. free- ofe 240. gentle- tudon 241. glutton- okpomowo 242. hang -konmen 243. harlot- ejedu 244. hide - wari 245. hunchback- ologumaza 246. hunting - izemkpa 247. husband. -di 248. idle- mmaka 249. idleman- efere 250. ignore- ohanemu 251. answer -hanemu./ za 252. ancient - edei 253. kerosene- minrin-ukpe 254. elcetric- ukpe ebo 255. oil lamp- ukpe ofingbon 256. leave- lato 257. light- ifonron 258. little - ekere 259. lizard -ngwenren 260. mat- ute 261. melon- iroroh 262. mud- otobo 263. mercy - ominken 264. quit- vun 265- name- efan 266. nasty - eti 267. needle- oloden 268. rub ones body - rira 269. ovation - owuwe 269. uwe- good things of life . 270. pain or painful - eron 271. pant- ogodo 272. road path- ozue 273. plain land -aradan 274. plantain- ogede 275. prayer - ekpere 276. worship- rua / irua 278. prodigal - oseka 279. idiot- ozuor / ewobi 280. quick - ejijeh 281. protect- gbodon 282. remember- yahan 283. red- ododo 284- please or i beg- dodoo 285. rock - okute 286. alter - ukwute 287. run - gbama 288. salt - nnu 289. sanctuary - ulohenyen 290. crystal- ikpade 291. smart- asara 292. snake - agwo 293. trap - ogah/ nkinton 294. swamp- ikpotor 295. tray- unyegbe 296. virgin -oyiyi 297. okoh - first male prince 298. okoro- man 299. original - ketiketi 300. pillar- adansun 301. foundation - iyetor 302 . wicked- efosi 303. circular/round- orogodo 304. stand- wuzo 305.think deep - romi 306. ungrateful - ogodon 307- presence- idenyan 308. taste- danmin 309. profit- erere 310- tree- osisi 311- tree branches- agalaba 312. unripe fruit - ukutuba 313. fruit- obobo 314. okporo- cave 315. overlook- legbe 316. build- gbemen 317. frigthen- jusohi 318. fear - uhue 319. rebuke - bigbo 320. key - isafin/ isanhan 321. long time- gbegbegbe 322. nothing - kaka 323. right now - kikeni 324.numerous- barahi 325. vessel - ayogbe 326. proud- honron 327. grass- irurue 328. next year - akan ile 329. gossip- oghele 330. late or lateness- mbie /bie 331. refuse dump- ikponfin 332. congregational greetings - isheguari 333. come / coming- lala / lalani then this are some things you have to also know about ika as it is spoken in owa . 1. this - hunni or owan 2. why - kihain 3. what- kini or ki 4. what is it ? kiro 5. here- ebeni 6. those- ndihun 7. . which - elehun 8. look/looking- le and laghani 9. me , me or mmen 10. i am the one - me ro i will write more later, those whose interest is to claim ika territory, will meet a brick wall , and ika is for ika people and the vast majority of ika people will never be igbo, or have you not learnt from civil war mistakes , whoever want to be igbo should be igbo , but like i have always said owa people are not igbo and we are ika .people of anioma or delta north are not under slavery , it is not all of us that are suffering from this civil war mentality of some towns in delta north . most people comenting are not even from delta state and so they do not understand the politics that is playing out in our state, i think most south eastern people should concern themselves to how they will get one more state in the south east and how to stop the different problems plaging their area and they should do more research into their history , than to be dabbling into other peoples history, delta is a new state with 5 major ethnicity - uhrobho, itsekiri, ijaw,isoko and anioma . it is the uhrobo that have ruled for 8 years plus one under ibru , making about nine years , itsekiri has just done 4 years ,and is starting another journey , what about ijaws ,and isoko have they ruled ? the answer is no , infact the delta north people have held many powerful positions in the state , that includes two deputy governors, secretary, commissioners, chairman of boards, and other positions , it will be instructive to say that no ijaw, isoko, itsekiri have been deputy before , so why all the cries for delta especially from igbo people accross the niger ? or do you wan to cry more than the injured ? in fact , i forgot , an ika man was former acting governor of the state for 90 days . 1. governor of delta- uduaghan- itsekiri 2. speaker - ochei from onitcha olona -anioma 3. chief of staff- DR , okunbor - from ute-okpu -ika- anioma 4. accountant- general of delta state- mr. agbele- ute-okpu -ika- anioma 5. commissioner - kingsley emu- owa- alizomor- owa kingdom- anioma 6. members of house martins okonta former speaker abavo kingdom-ika, prince obi from ute , also former speaker / former acting governor, and others from ukwani, oshimili, and aniocha in the house . 7. house of reps abuja - for ika we have a person from igbodo, elumelu, and others. 8. we also have chief ifeanyi okowa from owa alero- owa kingdom as a senator , as the highest ranked politician from delta north ,and echegile from owa alero who is an ambassador and others , are they not in powerful position ? so who is enslaving them ? if they claim , it is uhrobo people that is enslaving them , why did they vote massively for great ogboru ? and uhrobo person ? i dont think the ika people have any business with crying maginalisation , what is needed is for delta north politicians and people to work together and help build their area. even if anioma state is created , there will still be cries of maginalisation, as the four ethnic component that makes up delta north or anioma , know their origin and will also tend to be mindful of that . even in ika land there is also a cry of maginalisation as the eastern ika communities are saying that owa people and owa / ute are maginalising them . 1. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by agbotaen: 1:16pm On Jul 19, 2011 |
owa founders from benin ,plus migrants from nri in igboland through ute okpu migration.we are ika people , and for those people saying that owa king is a custodian of nri culture , that is very funny as our king is a custodian of ika culture , but we know there are nri and edo influence in it , but to tell you the truth owa culture has more edo input .but like i said , i challenge any person who knows owa culture here to tell me specifically what the nri culture in owa is and what the bini culture is ? let me take you through a course in owa culture , which i am very proud of - 1. kingship in owa , our ancient word and concept of kingship was ogiso , that is why till today old men and women in owa call our obi ,by the word ogiso. 2. obiship in owa is taken from the benin concept of kingship(obaship), the obi of owa is regarded as second to oselobue ,he is an absolute monarch whose words in ancient times was final, he had power of life and death. 3. our chiefthancy or ohaime (ship) is in three levels , the village, town and palace chiefs going under titles like ihama, ihaza, esama, ojekpolor, obakpolor, uwangue, ologboshere, iyase, elewu, obayangbon, obazenu, urokonogbe, isekhure, osague, inenigun,and other titles which i will later publish, this are bini titles ,/ 4. we also have igbo titles like ogifurueze, odabameze,obiwenali and others that of igbo lines, but the igbo titles in owa are very little and less important , as the ones derived from benin are more ancient and powerful in owa. 5. the dressing of our kings and chief follow benin lines , using the ada and the ebenren,and beads . 6. the igbo ceremonies found and practiced in owa are ikenga, and ifejuku and ofo 7. while our obi , performs uje dance, igue festival, ikaba, olokun ,ohunweeden , which comes from benin. 8. osiezi festival , which is purely an ika festival founded by my ancestors. 9. the worship of ehi is a bini , practice still done in owa today. 10. owa is divided into ebon( umun), idumu and ogbe- which is family, village and town 11. in olden days our fathers / mothers had a facial and body mark called igu, performed by an owina , with ebeke osigu. 12. when prasing the obi of owa ,this are some of his appellations 1. agbogidi iyare, 2. ogiso iyare, 3. ojenebo iyare, 4. agwo ekirika iyare, 5. obi ni tor ne fe , ise 13. our greetings are 1. laire is still a greeting eholor nire in benin and ogiamen 2. laiweze- is from those of iyase clan in benin 3. greeting while eating is kada 4. after meal greeting is lakpoma 5. for respectable older women is obori 14. our four week days is from igbo or nri 1. eken 2. orie 3. nkwo 4. afor , please do not mind the other which i wrote them. 15. all our obis have had benin names , 1. odogun 2. igbedigi 3. ewuare 4. orhogbua 5. okundaiye, 6. igbeoba 7. iseh 8.obaigbena 9. ewodo 10. eworh 11. the present king is efeizomor , please forgive the list , there are still more obis and this is not the order they ruled . as for the second obi of owa , obi igbedigi ( this are some of his children- omigie, osunhon, ovwiagbon, ugbebor, ojezua, omo, buzugbe , omoroje , okpeaye , , my family are of the omigie lineage , this are surely bini names . 15. no owa person has denied that there was igbo migration in owa , but we also have firm evidence of benin migration and lineage . 16. it is interesting also that when odogun came from ute okpu , he was already schooled in how benin people rule from ute-okpu and the people he met in owa so he adopted a proto-type of benin style of kingship. 17. i can also write an indepth account of how our kings are coronated and buried , they are coronated in an area we call uselu - meaning sacred area in owa -oyibu . i will rest now to write later . we have done proper research into owa history and not by reading books alone , i am a descendant of kings and princes in owa ,so i am conversant with my towns history as told to me by my father, uncles, chiefs and after careful reading and research . |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by tpia5: 1:53pm On Jul 19, 2011 |
lazy- lanzuzun this has to be from english or another european language. too much similarity to be coincidence. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by NegroNtns(m): 2:00pm On Jul 19, 2011 |
Agbotaen, Here is the problem you face - language and rituals! Igbo is going around looking for traces of language and rituals as a drill up to link with Nri. They are claiming you as Igbo clearly from that one angle alone. I am sure there are communities, like Owa that were settled by Ndigbo in those ages but the Igbo language lost to the host community. I don't see Ogbuefi or anyone else going after them and making them Igbo. I suspect now that they have eyes on you to snatch Owa it will eventually happen. It might take another 50yrs but they will do it unless your own people begin a counterprogramm of your own to become a non-Igbo community. The creation of Anioma will split the Ika commuunity and thereby accelerate your eventual swallow into Igbo. Once that happen they will wipe all traces of Bini/Edo from your language and rituals. You will be Igbofied! Lol! Its unfortunate that you have also distanced yourself from Edo and declared your independence. So as an independent community you now have to defend yourself independently and not count on Edo support. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by tpia5: 2:07pm On Jul 19, 2011 |
Its unfortunate that you have also distanced yourself from Edo why is that? ![]() besides, things arent black and white in this manner. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by NegroNtns(m): 2:24pm On Jul 19, 2011 |
Heeyyy, lol! Watsup tpia? I said that for several reasons. Under the current Nigerian context Owa has protection against usurpation. We don't know if that security will be there in 10 or 20yrs. Owa is sitting on a border line of distinctly different cultures and languages - Edo/Igbo - and must be conscious of where its future lies. Saying Ika is independent of Edo and indepedent of Igbo is not enough, they will get swallowed up by one of the two. They have time, beginning now, to start a programme that align them with a choice. They clearly have turned down the Igbo option, then jump on the Edo one and in addition start cleaning up your language and culture to that effect. This is political talk! Agbotaen is stressing culture and demonstrating the richness of their language and customs, totally unaware of the Igbo political plot. Agbotaen need to bring an Ika man that's strongly ideological and can match them BS for BS! Lol. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by bokohalal(m): 3:04pm On Jul 19, 2011 |
They can count on Edo moral support for sure. We know the difference between Ika(Eka) and Igbo.No true Ika would like to be labelled `Igbo`, which is a corruption of an uncomplimentary descriptive Edo word. |
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