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Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by gmailer: 9:14pm On Jun 10, 2010
Real Christians DO NOT struggle with [i]paying [/i]their tithe.
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by garyarnold(m): 9:26pm On Jun 10, 2010
Real Christians are SPIRIT LED.  Real Christians do not follow the Old Testament laws as their guidance, but rather use The Holy Spirit for their guidance.

Real Christians who are Spirit led might find that God wants them to give 50% or more of their income.

On the other hand, real Christians who have little might find that God wants them to give very little.

Real Christians study the Bible for themselves and do NOT believe everything their pastor says.

Real Christians know that tithing was to support the Levitical priesthood and that we are no longer under that priesthood.  WE are now the priests.

Real Christians know that the purpose of The Lord's Tithe was to support the Levites who were to keep up THE TEMPLE WHERE THE SPIRIT OF GOD LIVED.  NOW the Spirit lives within our bodies.

Too many church goes are religious but have no relation with God.  Too many church goers are gullible.

To those who actually believe you should be tithing today, I have some cheap land I'd like to sell to you.
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by nuclearboy(m): 9:37pm On Jun 10, 2010
@K2:

You ask if Melchizedek was a Levite! No, he was not.

But here is where you have a problem. The Bible says "Abram GAVE a tithe/tenth to Melchizedek". It does not say Abram paid his tithe to Melchizedek! Do you get my point?

[1] Abram "dashed" him a tenth. It was a freewill offering and if you truly read my post, you would see I have nothing against even 90% of your income AS freewill.

[2] You will note another thing - Abram NEVER paid tithe/tenth again. If you believe he did, please show us where.
[3] YET another - It was a custom in those days to give a king 10%. Melchizedek welcomed and blessed him and its likely thats why he gave that tenth to him.
[4] YET another - Abram is not recorded as ever paying tithe out of his own properties and/or possessions.

Brother, when last did you go to war and bring back "spoils of war"? You ought have given a tenth at that time to emulate Abram. Using Abram's tradition based action to justify "tithing" is another travesty of God's Word for the reasons outlined above. Don't forget that Yoruba Tradition says an elder is right whether he says rubbish or not. That might not be a sin but do you agree with it? Remember the Bible is about life. Let us be dynamic!

Again I say, give 90% willingly to whoever you wish but don't believe you are buying God's favor OR rebuking a devourer as your MOGs like to say - where there's a sacrifice being made, there are 2 parties NOT 3. One makes the sacrifice and the other collects it. God is not there!
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by nearest(m): 10:19pm On Jun 10, 2010
Una just dey confuse people, just like the pastors. Explaining the english bible in context can be very difficult, you want to understand the bible? use the original greek text!
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by nuclearboy(m): 10:20pm On Jun 10, 2010
@K2 again:

On the issue of Ananias and Sappira, those were also FREEWILL offerings which I discussed as fine. Or could you please show me the "curses" attached like your pastors do with tithes?
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by ogajim(m): 10:23pm On Jun 10, 2010
@nuclearboy, don't be surprised if these new IDs defending tithe are "moonlighting" to make up the numbers on their side of the Isle. A christian can give any amount as offering, helping others out, or taking care of "needs" that arises without making a SCENE about it. Structured or cajoled form of Giving is not Christian, Jesus never preached it neither did Paul.

Love for one another is SUPREME.


@nearest, folks have "problems" with the English language and you want them to study Greek? Was Greek spoken in Israel at any time?
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by ogajim(m): 10:26pm On Jun 10, 2010
gmailer:

Real Christians DO NOT struggle with [i]paying [/i]their tithe.


Real Christians should emulate the Berean Christians and cross check all the stuff they're handed to make sure it Scriptural and not a bunch of Ecclesiastical nonsense
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by gmailer: 10:42pm On Jun 10, 2010
ogajim:


Real Christians should emulate the Berean Christians and cross check all the stuff they're handed to make sure it Scriptural and not a bunch of Ecclesiastical nonsense

Ogajim u seem very offended by the tithing thing, if u have the spirit of God in you, that should guide you( not necessarily what the Pastor says) and who are the Berean Christians by the way?
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by aletheia(m): 11:05pm On Jun 10, 2010
gmailer:

Ogajim u seem very offended by the tithing thing, if u have the spirit of God in you, that should guide you( not necessarily what the Pastor says) and who are the Berean Christians by the way?

Priceless. You just proved Ogajim's point! grin
ogajim:


Real Christians should emulate the Berean Christians and cross check all the stuff they're handed to make sure it Scriptural and not a bunch of Ecclesiastical nonsense
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by eros(m): 11:06pm On Jun 10, 2010
nuclearboy:

@Tosin/etc (Tosin especially since your posts show sincerity and not a desire for a fight):

Kunle and Ogajim ARE Christians. They only do not just follow without being certain. Tudor is a good chap who has been disappointed too often. He's vexing!  grin

Study of the Bible shows that tithes were meant for the poor, widow, stranger AND levite (because they did no work). In effect, levites got a "portion" of the tithe ONLY because they had no other income. Let me state quickly here that Jesus is the ULTIMATE LEVITE! But he worked and we know He was a carpenter! The Apostle Peter was a fisherman. The Apostle Paul made tents for a living and even used it to boast that he never made his welfare a problem for ANYONE but paid his own way through his own work. If these three worked as the Bible says, please justify why your pastor does not and has to get your tithe!

Secondly, even the "portion" of the tithe that got to the levites was not a weekly/monthly thing. Tithes came the 3rd year. Who were these levites by the way? They were the musicians, singers, cleaners etc of the Temple, not the priests. Do you give "portions" (say 1/4 each) to poor, widows, strangers and the last 1/4 to levites today? And of that last 1/4, how much do you give to your choristers and those who sweep your church etc? Because that is what the Bible says!

Finally AND MOST IMPORTANT, who was God talking to in Malachi? Please do not be blindfolded by any MOGs "stories". They that you call your PRIESTS are the ones God was talking to - Go back and start from Mal 1:6 and you will see God repeatedly says "you, O priests". It is them that God said "showed contempt for Him" Mal 1:6. It is them who place defiled food on His altar (1:7), who bring injured or diseased animals (1:13), who God says He will curse because they have not set their hearts to honor Him (2:1,2), whose lips SHOULD preserve knowledge but who have turned from the way and whose teaching causes many to stumble (2: 8 ). God says "they" flood His altar with tears (2:13). Please TELL ME who could get to God' altar in the OT apart from the Priests? And so it is them He says have wearied Him with their words (2:17). It is LEVITES He will purify and refine (3:3) so that HE will have men who will bring offerings in Righteousness (since it was them who brought sacrifices).

So when God says, "Yet you rob me", why does your MOG suddenly say "yes O, He has been talking ONLY to priests but NOW, it is no longer priests but the rest of Israel i.e. you, that are the thieves"? To counter truth, they say "but God said "the whole Nation of you". True but today, most of my readers are of the Nation of believers, not so? Are you all Ibo or Yoruba or Hausa or even Nigerian? In the same manner, there was a Nation of Levites. It was them God spoke to.

PROOF?
A very great test for anyone who wants to know the truth is to ask himself "Who amongst Israel used to (or could) bring food into the Storehouse"? then search the Old Testament for the answer to that question. Could a member of the tribe of Dan bring food into the storehouse? So how come it was him (from that tribe or another aside levites) that God suddenly changed direction and started talking to (when money became concerned) stopping to talk to the levites/priests He had been angry at all along? Then you will know why men like Kunleoshob and Ogajim say what they say - they studied!

My position is this - if you wish to give a ministry 90% of your income, please go ahead. BUT if you do it because you feel you are otherwise robbing God, you have made a gaffe and are wrong. Every single time we see giving in the New Testament, it is a freewill based offering, never legalistic and never under the hammer of fear. Give freely, willingly and out of a sincere heart, not because of the hammer of condemnation


GOD BLESS YOU REAL GOOD Nuclearboy. I have really learnt alot from your post. Thank you so much.
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by axeman85(m): 11:12pm On Jun 10, 2010
As someone clearly posted. Malachi 3v16 says pay your tithe as you are robbing GOD by not paying. well you are not forced to give if you dont have, personally i dont go to church but when i do i give offering as i am directed by , if i dont have i wont, and as per tithe i dont pay but if i attend a church and they say oo, we want to buy drums, or piano then i will give as am moved but no tithe, i go to the street of lagos on friday and give to the beggars on the road. thats my own tithe.
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by wetindey4: 12:25am On Jun 11, 2010
axeman85:

As someone clearly posted. Malachi 3v16 says pay your tithe as you are robbing GOD by not paying. well you are not forced to give if you dont have, personally i dont go to church but when i do i give offering as i am directed by , if i dont have i wont, and as per tithe i dont pay but if i attend a church and they say oo, we want to buy drums, or piano then i will give as am moved but no tithe, i go to the street of lagos on friday and give to the beggars on the road. thats my own tithe.
Tudór:

seriously i dont know where to start. . . . .kindly read nuclearboy's post

You are twisting the word of God. Thats's why I like the God's Kingdom Mission and God's Kingdom Society, they dont believe in tithe. you know why? Becuase if it was so important Jesus would have paid tithe like he paid tax to cesar, showed us how to pray, and fast.
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by jonex70(m): 12:32am On Jun 11, 2010
I ATTEND RCCG PENIEL CHAPEL OWOROSHOKI,BUT NOTHING LIKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID IN MY PARISH. TITHE AND OFFERING ARE DONE THE SAME TIME,EVEN LAST WEEK. BESIDE I DONT PAY TITHE because SOMEONE ASK ME TO,BUT because I READ IN THE BIBLE TO PAY IT. DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO BASE ON YOUR FAITH.
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by Redman44(m): 12:44am On Jun 11, 2010
Yet another thread on tithing sad sad sad Well, I've not been paying tithes for some time now and I don't think God is angry with me or will refuse to accept me as his son because I'm not paying tithes. I have paid tithes in the past and I won't say paying tithes is wrong. What I am most concerned about is making Heaven at the end of the day. It will be a grave disaster for anyone who is a regular tithe payer and churchgoer to miss the rapture and go to hell cry cry cry cry There are lots of conflicting doctrines in the church today and one needs to be careful of Pastors who are wolves in sheep's clothing. Is it not Pastor Enoch Adeboye [ I respect him and his Ministry ] that told a gathering of thousands of Area Pastors, Deacons and Workers that God told him if the rapture should take place at the moment he was speaking to them, only about 3-5 people would make heaven? The story still makes me shudder in fear and trembling as I type this post.

Most Christian gatherings today are becoming jamborees undecided undecided undecided God help us all. Hmn.


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Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by ogajim(m): 1:04am On Jun 11, 2010
^^^ This was not supposed to be another tithe thread but they turned it into one. I noticed the way they now separate the tithe payers from the regular offering giving and asked for input from those who have noticed same and here we are cheesy
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by vanitty: 7:20am On Jun 11, 2010
Yes it was just another tithe thread undecided . . an accusatory one infact, with all the negative reasons you gave of why they have decided to take on the practise. That makes me know you are not interested whatsoever in the reason you might get here, your mind is made up.  you are just here to shout a bit, quote the bible a bit and log off

How are we meant to know the reasons your church decided to start calling people to the front? What you should have done was to have asked your pastor at the end of the service. That is what majority of us would have done. Why waste your time in a church where you don't believe in their doctrine

Majority of us that shouts we are Christians are nothing but Bible religious knowledge students, of course we can quote any verse from Genesis to Revelation. We just read the bible like we are reading the standard newspaper. We have this amazing way of reading the bible to please us and us alone, who are we deceiving?!

Tithing is one thing that is spiritual, if you have the spirit of the Lord in you ,  however it leads you, do.
You don't have to give your tithe, this is not a do or die affair. But, have you asked yourself why this is bothering you so?
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by nuclearboy(m): 8:33am On Jun 11, 2010
@vanitty:

Can you stand before God's Throne and Swear/state that YOU have studied the issue of tithing in the Bible OR is it that you trust you pastor cannot lie to you? At which time you need to answer this question - The Bible says "Let God be true and all men liars" but are you saying your own pastor is the exception and the Bible is wrong that he can lie?

Religion by its nature is dictatorial and does not support dissent or questioning. Which is why christianity is amazing - it is the only religion (belief system) that asks/orders its adherents to test all spirits. It is also the only religion that says MANY THAT YOU LOOK UP TO ARE LIARS when Jesus says He will reject them saying "I never knew you workers of iniquity". I ask you Friend, was he talking about Imams in Sudan? Or was He talking about people that were trusted ministers yet who were liars?

It is worth re-thinking these issues. No-one says DON'T give. All we are saying is this is just like the commercialisation of the Temple procedures that Jesus got angry over. Give willingly, not under the spirit of legalism or fear
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by Tudor6(f): 8:36am On Jun 11, 2010
vanitty:

Yes it was just another tithe thread undecided . . an accusatory one infact, with all the negative reasons you gave of why they have decided to take on the practise. That makes me know you are not interested whatsoever in the reason you might get here, your mind is made up.  you are just here to shout a bit, quote the bible a bit and log off

How are we meant to know the reasons your church decided to start calling people to the front? What you should have done was to have asked your pastor at the end of the service. That is what majority of us would have done. Why waste your time in a church where you don't believe in their doctrine

Majority of us that shouts we are Christians are nothing but Bible religious knowledge students, of course we can quote any verse from Genesis to Revelation. We just read the bible like we are reading the standard newspaper. We have this amazing way of reading the bible to please us and us alone, who are we deceiving?!

Tithing is one thing that is spiritual, if you have the spirit of the Lord in you ,  however it leads you, do.
You don't have to give your tithe, this is not a do or die affair. But, have you asked yourself why this is bothering you so?


Are you blind? did you not see where he said he asked his pastor and was told its ''instruction from HQ''.

You should have read through before shooting off your mouth. That is what majority of us would have done.
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by oluwabamis(m): 8:51am On Jun 11, 2010
THERE IS NO TITHE FOR THE XTIAN. PERIOD

http://www.freelygive-n.com/uploads/No_Tithe_Plus_2_-_Imbed_Linkand_R_Box.pdf
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by Areaboy2(m): 9:11am On Jun 11, 2010
meh. finally, someone i can relate to. not everyday i have to deal with brainwashed ppl on my own. sigh,

I've always based my arguments on scientific findings and simple logical explanations and never bothered to read the bible cover to cover which i'm sure 90% of ppl that go to church in Nigeria haven't bothered to. it seems u have done so Tudor.

anyways.
the problem i have with all this "pastor says its written to do this and do that" is Contextual reading. It is funny to me when ppl just read the bible out of context and explain it anyway it suits them. undecided
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by babsmii(m): 9:17am On Jun 11, 2010
stvpid bigots, he's not asking any of you idi0ts to bring your money, good christians are paying their tithes and are getting blessed. are they complaining?? you f00ls are here arguing over people's riches and paying tithes. over a hundred post on this thread and only few makes sense, bunch of perishing meanies
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by 007busman: 9:29am On Jun 11, 2010
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. Mal 3:8-11

Please let all the forumites read this bible passage and choose between the CURSE of GOD and His BLESSING.The way the tithe is being collected does not matter provided you pay it and you are not doing any evil deal to earn your living,most of you like to go to churches where you will be deceived.

Most prayers in church are to deceived like someone who does not pay tithes or offering and the pastor will say God bless everyone,it is not right because 0 X 0 = 0, 0 + 0 =0.Bible said give and it shall be given good measure press down and running over shall men bring to your bosom.With the measure ye meet shall be measure unto you.DONT BE DECEIVED
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by vanitty: 9:41am On Jun 11, 2010
They never never fail to disappoint. They act on dog on heat. I still don't get why any unbeliever will be so perturbed on something that has no relevant to them. What amazes  me is the amount of attention and devotion this people give to something they supposedly do not believe in. Surely no one can be that jobless undecided

Ogajim,  if that is the direction from the "HQ" as you put it, you have two options, live with it or get it a moving.
And as I said, let the spirit in you lead you to pay or not pay your tithe. You are not going to get any answer from majority of the people on this page.
Being a Christian is not just about reading the bible, you have to have the holy spirit in you, unfortunately the majority of the noisemakers  on this page are addicted members of the great king google, they can regurgitate the Holy Bible from Genesis to Revelation but it has no meaning to them. Shalom


@ Nuclear boy

Please read what i wrote again. Not once did I say it is compulsory for you to pay tithe. we all have free will. Do as your spirit directs
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by Asimmy(f): 9:56am On Jun 11, 2010
I think we should be polite. Also, matters that have to do with religion are very sensitive. It is not compulsory to attend a church, if you are not in terms with the mode of service, tithe, offering or any other, leave for a placve where you have your faith in. It is a thing of the mind, conviction and belief. It is better to watch what one says about others. Remember that God is the only righteous judge. who are we to judge one another? Pay your tithe etc if you are convinced, leave it to God to decide who is entitled, or how to spend it. Read your bible very well and pray for divine understanding concerning its content, we shouldn't turn the word of God around to suit our feelings at the detriment of others.
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by Darayola(m): 10:18am On Jun 11, 2010
May God Forgive You,
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by nuclearboy(m): 10:28am On Jun 11, 2010
@vanitty:

Did you read anything I wrote at all?

Who are the unbelievers here you are talking about? The questions you REFUSE to answer are many and they show you to not be sure of what you are saying - [1] those "great servants" that Jesus Himself said He will say He does not know - are they Christian pastors or Imams? [2] Why will He say He never knew these"workers of iniquity" if they are and did right AND taught what was right? [3] Who was God talking to in Malachi (priests or regular israelis? [4] Have you ever noticed that fanatics (Jos and suicide bombers are examples) turn everything into a fight instead of bringing "true proof" and that it is because they have only lies to depend on so they "da si rough"? [5] Why are you turning this into a fight and insults if you have truth on your side? Why not just "show forth your strong reasons like Is 45 says?

Nobody tells you NOT to give but if you think you can bribe God for "blessing" or open the windows of Heaven through tithes,  grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

The berean Christians are praised in the Bible ONLY because whatever even Paul told them, they went back home and checked the scriptures to be sure he was telling the truth - are you a berean Christian or following sheepishly? There's no fight here. Just bring truth, facts, Bible verses backed by study not half baked rubbish that depends on insults to make oneself look good. No man can support God. Remember the Pharisees kept trying to say they were supporting God by fighting Jesus.

Bring your facts to the table
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by wynny(f): 10:33am On Jun 11, 2010
Hey. Its a matter of choice. Everything is about choice. Going to Church is a choice,Tithes and offerings, choice, but the problem is that some pple also choose to make them public. You know the word, Dont criticize,dont blaspheme,dont judge so u wont be judged.Leave it all to God. At the end,the Church is his first stop.
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by debest1(m): 10:39am On Jun 11, 2010
wynny:

Hey. Its a matter of choice. Everything is about choice. Going to Church is a choice,Tithes and offerings, choice, but the problem is that some pple also choose to make them public. You know the word, Dont criticize,dont blaspheme,dont judge so u wont be judged.Leave it all to God. At the end,the Church is his first stop.
well said,
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by vanitty: 10:45am On Jun 11, 2010
@ Nuclearboy
AS I SAID THE ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED WAS ON THIS TOPIC WAS  ABOUT TITHE.  DO AS YOUR SPIRIT DIRECTS. How hard can that be undecided
where in my TITHE IS NOT A DO OR DIE AFFAIR, FREEWILL e.t.c  did you get all what you wrote
Am not going to have any arguement with you on this topic . NO NO NO. Quite frankly it will be a waste of time because we are all filled differently spiritually , different stages dear, different stages. . . . .
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by KunleOshob(m): 11:04am On Jun 11, 2010
It has been proven biblically beyond reasonable doubt on this thread that preachers that preach compulsary monetary tithes to their members are greedy and fraudulent. I wonder why any right thinking christian would still be defending such shallow deceitful and self serving false doctrine.
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by Mkpotu(m): 11:11am On Jun 11, 2010
@Poster as per Topic;

There is nothing wrong in calling up people that have their tithe to the altar and then pray for them. For your information, it is not only in RCCG that such is done, it is usually done in most churches and I do not see it as a new thing in RCCG or anything that could give any sane person this kind of concern. Whether they say people with their tithe should stand up for prayers and later they still match to the altar to drop and calling them to the altar for prayers and thereafter, they drop their tithe, to me I believe they are the same thing.

Meanwhile, announcement for tithing is usually done every Sunday (for convenience as different people have different times/period they receive their salaries/wages/remuneration), so I don't see the reason why you are bothered that you are seated except your conscience is really disturbing you as per not tithing. It's just conscience thing and nobody cares who goes this Sunday and who goes the next Sunday. Mind u, may be your church/parish is smaller because in some bigger ones, people with their tithe are asked to raise it up, after prayers, the ushers go around and collect them.

As per looking for the Biblical interpretation, there is no format/procedure stated in the bible on how to bring your tithe to the house of God.
Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by KennyG6(m): 11:14am On Jun 11, 2010
KunleOshob:

It has been proven biblically beyond reasonable doubt on this thread that preachers that preach compulsary monetary tithes to their members are greedy and fraudulent. I wonder why any right thinking christian would still be defending such shallow deceitful and self serving false doctrine.
in that case, maybe some of us are just happy to indulge these so called "fraudulent preachers" afterall its our money and we've not been asked to give it out at gunpoint, its freewill so wetin come be your own aggros?

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