@ gadogado

Actually, the SE insisted on zoning, they first brought the matter up in the constitutional conference of 1994. The SE insisted and demanded that zoning be put in the Nigerian constitution. Abacha liked the Idea and promised to adopt it, he died, abdulsalami came in and discarded the idea of "constitutionalizing" it. However the party's agreement is between North and South as far as the presidents office is concerned. And everybody knows IBB's father is from Kano and mother from Zamfara. Well northerners know this, he's hausa/fulani not nupe or gwarri. Thats besides the point though. The idea of zoning is if the president is from a certain area, then other important positions in the legislature and beyond should be spread out to ensure equitable distribution of power. You know how they say in the west "the spirit of the constitution" this is exactly what you guys are missing "the spirit of the agreement" meaning the common sense and goodwill of the agreement. Hausas will feel betrayed if Goodluck stays in a northern slot.

So let me ask you this, if IBB withdraws, will you support a candidate from NW and agree Jonathan should not run under the PDP platform?? PLEASE answer this. LOOK at the PDP agreement, all those privy to the agreement will tell you that what was agreed was north-south. They tried to say that OBJ should hand over to SE but they quickly reminded him of the AGREEMENT (north-south)

That is exactly where the problem lies. How can the North allow people like IBB and Atiku to become frontrunners for them. I personally earnestly support zoning but blended with meritocracy. Nigeria is too heterogeneous not to have a culture like zoning/rotation in our power sharing methods.

But why is the North always throwing out mediocres and destroyers (like IBB, OBJ, Atiku) on the south? Is it that there is no other human being in the North asides these beasts of no nation.

naijaking1:

Anybody who says "Hausa/Fulani no get brain" simply needs to look into the mirrow to see who no get brain.

na only a christian southern goat like you think of fulani-hausa as having brain.

How many hausas have been president or prime minister of Nigeria? How many years has a fulani ruled this country in comparison to middle belter or yoruba?

yea  . . like I said, dem no get brain pass religion.

sbeezy8:

na only a christian southern goat like you think of fulani-hausa as having brain.

How many hausas have been president or prime minister of Nigeria? How many years has a fulani ruled this country in comparison to middle belter or yoruba?
yea . . like I said, dem no get brain pass religion.

Since you have a problem looking in the mirrow, and since you're so ignorant of basic Nigeria history, I'll try as much as possible to break it down to your level.

When the Fulani manipulated Afonja into betraying his principal the Oyo king, them no get brain!
When Sarduana told Awo and Zik that his people and Nigerians were not ready for Independence, them no get brain
When Emir of Kano led the campaign to reject the Aburi accord, because of the oil in the east, them no get brain
When they propped up Gowon to take over the military, instead of the most senior Yoruba officer who was next inline to Ironsi, them no get brain
When they hurriedly released Awo from prison and promised him the presidency after "2 years of stablizing the country from the civil war", only to push him out of the federal cabinate entirely after a few years, them no get brain
When they convinced some greedy Ijaw into stealing the properties of fellow easterners in the name of abandoned properties, while releasing Igbo properties in the north, them no get brain
When they hung Ken Saro Wiwa for to trying to obstruct their oil flow and free source of dollar, them no get brain
The list is endless, child, but since you no get brain, it really doesn't matter

Naijaking, its mirror, not mirrow.

Ontopic, the North are particularly astute having run Fulani Empire in Western Sudan before amalgamation. Unfortunately, they still think Nigeria is Western Sudan and we are vassals of the Fulani empire.

Ibime:

Naijaking, its mirror, not mirrow.

Ontopic, the North are particularly astute having run Fulani Empire in Western Sudan before amalgamation. Unfortunately, they still think Nigeria is Western Sudan and we are vassals of the Fulani empire.

Thanks, I know I can count on you to help me with spellchecking, moreover, I have been on-cal for 24hrs

we'll see the result of his treachery.

sbeezy8:

HAHAHAHA did Mko Abiola not beat Tofa in the north east and even some of the NW? LOL
THE ONLY THING CORE NORTH HAS IS ISLAM- without it north aint shiot.

when you put two muslim candidates up for election see how the north divides themselves.

Even now the core north hasnt presented a real candidate- Atiku is lookin unlikely, IBB is not hausa or fulani or kanuri and Saraki is what fulani/yoruba and leaning on the yoruba. All the northerners are screaming for IBB or Saraki even more than Atiku who is a hausa-fulani. una no get brain.

MKO won the north because he was in the SDP, the party of yar'adua senior, atiku, kingibe and many many others who agreed to support him after deals had been struck.

Hmmm, this is serious. What a thread, i can't stop LMAO

gadogado:

The agreement was that power would rotate between the north and south. This was the agreement. The northern caucus decided to zone it to NW since Atiku being the VP was from NE. The PDP agreement recognizes the north/south power sharing and zoning agreement. Rotation simply means that power will move back and forth between the two regions. Zoning implies the same thing. The idea is to "SHARE POWER" between our Afro Asiatic brothers to the north and our Niger Congo brothers to the south. Its really simple to grasp.
The most apparent differences in religion and culture is between north and south, so both regions should be represented on interval basis at the national level. The idea is to give power to the muslims in the north who are genetically closer to North African berbers, nubians, sudanese, in some cases Ethiopains and Arabs. Then after they do theirs, give power back to the christians in the south who are genetically closer to the people found in coastal west Africa and central-southern Africa (Bantus)

Very simple to grasp. You dont need to be hypocritical about something glaringly obvious!!

I think sir that you were doing fairly well untill you made such simplistic statements about Nigeria. If your logic is followed to its conclusion, Christians and non-Hausa Fulanis in the North will never smell power and also Southern Muslims will also never smell power. You have practically dis-enfranchised those people. Why then should they support zoning? If your views are representative of the North, then there is a serious misapprehension of parties for the reasons for zoning in PDP.

gadogado:

Actually, the SE insisted on zoning, they first brought the matter up in the constitutional conference of 1994. The SE insisted and demanded that zoning be put in the Nigerian constitution. Abacha liked the Idea and promised to adopt it, he died, abdulsalami came in and discarded the idea of "constitutionalizing" it. However the party's agreement is between North and South as far as the presidents office is concerned. And everybody knows IBB's father is from Kano and mother from Zamfara. Well northerners know this, he's hausa/fulani not nupe or gwarri. Thats besides the point though. The idea of zoning is if the president is from a certain area, then other important positions in the legislature and beyond should be spread out to ensure equitable distribution of power. You know how they say in the west "the spirit of the constitution" this is exactly what you guys are missing "the spirit of the agreement" meaning the common sense and goodwill of the agreement. Hausas will feel betrayed if Goodluck stays in a northern slot.

So let me ask you this, if IBB withdraws, will you support a candidate from NW and agree Jonathan should not run under the PDP platform?? PLEASE answer this. LOOK at the PDP agreement, all those privy to the agreement will tell you that what was agreed was north-south. They tried to say that OBJ should hand over to SE but they quickly reminded him of the AGREEMENT (north-south)

You have tried to acquaint us with the history of the zoning arrangement of PDP. Thanks a lot . I have always maintained that as long as zoning or power rotation is not enshrined in the constitution, it's got no teeth. It is in PDP constitution yet it has been continously flouted since 98 simply because it is void. If SE insisted on zoning, I remember clearly that their position in 94 was rotation among the zones. It was the North that insisted on bw North and South . Must the North's opinion always prevail? I think the SE should have no qaulms setting zoning aside since 1/ It did not meet with their irreducable minimum. 2/ It eventually was not included by Abdulsalami in the Constitution. How can SE believe that it will be followed when it gets to their turn since their is no constitutional backing? It can only be kept by mutual goodwill which has been historically lacking in Nigeria.
Even if Zonong were constitutional, It will still have to meet halfway with meritocracy. Therefore one Zone bringing out a clearly inept candidate will not make other zones to willy nilly accept him. Fast forward to IBB vs SW WRT to June 12.,etc. I believe though that the North might have had a better chance with another candidate that is not really IBB. Just might. A situation where an incumbent  head of state that had sworn to defend the Constitution of the Nation is been told to vacate without testing his rights to contest because of an unconstitutional party constitution  does not carry weight. Which constitution is superior? GEJ will be breaking his oath of office if he does not contest merely based on the unconstitutional zoning. Now he has decided to prosecute the Haliburton culprits, many candidates will soon drop out or be made to do so. I think it is still morning on creation day . New vistas will yet unfold.

gadogado:

Actually, the SE insisted on zoning, they first brought the matter up in the constitutional conference of 1994. The SE insisted and demanded that zoning be put in the Nigerian constitution. Abacha liked the Idea and promised to adopt it, he died, abdulsalami came in and discarded the idea of "constitutionalizing" it. However the party's agreement is between North and South as far as the presidents office is concerned. And everybody knows IBB's father is from Kano and mother from Zamfara. Well northerners know this, he's hausa/fulani not nupe or gwarri. Thats besides the point though. The idea of zoning is if the president is from a certain area, then other important positions in the legislature and beyond should be spread out to ensure equitable distribution of power. You know how they say in the west "the spirit of the constitution" this is exactly what you guys are missing "the spirit of the agreement" meaning the common sense and goodwill of the agreement. Hausas will feel betrayed if Goodluck stays in a northern slot.

So let me ask you this, if IBB withdraws, will you support a candidate from NW and agree Jonathan should not run under the PDP platform?? PLEASE answer this. LOOK at the PDP agreement, all those privy to the agreement will tell you that what was agreed was north-south. [b]They tried to say that OBJ should hand over to SE [/bW] but they quickly reminded him of the AGREEMENT (north-south)

Please when did the bolded happen? Who tried to tell OBJ that? So Nigeria's presidency is now handed over from hand to hand without any elections? With all due respect may I ask, what sort of mentality is this ? Please stick to facts or give us sources to your assertions. I personally believe that Dokpesi has the inalienable rights to support whoever he desires but we also have the rights to analyse his actions and  reasons without quoting fallacies while agreeing or disagreeing with him.

houvest:


I think sir that you were doing fairly well untill you made such simplistic statements about Nigeria. If your logic is followed to its conclusion, Christians and non-Hausa Fulanis in the North will never smell power and also Southern Muslims will also never smell power. You have practically dis-enfranchised those people. Why then should they support zoning? If your views are representative of the North, then there is a serious misapprehension of parties for  the reasons for zoning in PDP.

Well, in the United States of America, we know there are four major groups that make up that population, the African Americans, the European Americans (whites), Asian Americans and Hispanic Americans, and Native Americans (American Indians making up 1% of the population)
All these groups minus whites who make up more than 70% of the population are considered minorities. The first minority to become president in Americas 200+ years of existence as a country is Barack Obama.

Ok, It is standard practice and a norm that Majorities have more say in any society since they represent a larger base within this society. When Nigerias democracy is mature enough, we can discard ethnicity and religion and vote for competence. Bit for right now, care has to be taken to preserve the delicate balance of power in the country.

gadogado:

Well, in the United States of America, we know there are four major groups that make up that population, the African Americans, the European Americans (whites), Asian Americans and Hispanic Americans, and Native Americans (American Indians making up 1% of the population)
All these groups minus whites who make up more than 70% of the population are considered minorities. The first minority to become president in Americas 200+ years of existence as a country is Barack Obama.

Ok, It is standard practice and a norm that Majorities have more say in any society since they represent a larger base within this society. When Nigerias democracy is mature enough, we can discard ethnicity and religion and vote for competence. Bit for right now, care has to be taken to preserve the delicate balance of power in the country.

You are a selfish imperialist. This is exactly why we wont vote for you people.Do you not see how condescending what you typed is? What do you mean balance of power,between who and who?

gadogado:

When Nigerias democracy is mature enough, we can discard ethnicity and religion and vote for competence. Bit for right now, care has to be taken to preserve the delicate balance of power in the country.

This is like guiding a child through the path of failure all through his formative and teenage years and when he is mature, demand success from him.
Ever heard of the adage " a fool at 40 is a fool forever" ?
You see, the above quoted ideology is everything Nigerians should run away from. This is the PLAGUE of Nigeria.

Upholding ethnicity and religion as the yard stick for electing persons into political offices certainly makes us mature - in tribalism and religious hate and bias.
Fighting for competence today against all odds will certainly make us mature in competence and good governance and will form a more solid foundation for the country NIGERIA if we must remain as one country.

IBB is the best thing that describes corruption in any dictionary and the only thing Nigerians should remove from our political equation for us to have positive results.

As for Dokpesi, he is a smart man. He is basically there 4 d money.

Dokpesi is broke period.

Has IBB confessed to Dokpesi about the killing of Dele Giwa and many others during his administration? Before you dine with an evil genius you must be sure of your steps,will it work against Dokpesi in future? Will IBB use him and dump like he did the likes of Soyinka,Ransome kuti of blessed memories amongst others?Dokpesi should retrace his steps if not for himself at least for the sake of his loving family.

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visionsen:

Dokpesi is broke period.

exactly, the man like many others is belly-wise but brain-dead

gadogado:

Well, in the United States of America, we know there are four major groups that make up that population, the African Americans, the European Americans (whites), Asian Americans and Hispanic Americans, and Native Americans (American Indians making up 1% of the population)
All these groups minus whites who make up more than 70% of the population are considered minorities. The first minority to become president in Americas 200+ years of existence as a country is Barack Obama.

Ok, It is standard practice and a norm that Majorities have more say in any society since they represent a larger base within this society. When Nigerias democracy is mature enough, we can discard ethnicity and religion and vote for competence. Bit for right now, care has to be taken to preserve the delicate balance of power in the country.

I actually thought you were going to modify the sentiments you initially expressed or clarify them to accomodater the Nigerian Pluralism but you went ahead to insist on your original position. Honestly this frightens me as to the future of Nigeria as a single Nation. However I suspect that you have lived so long in the US and has become unaware of the realities in Nigeria today. If however it is really representative of the Hausa /Fulani muslim opinion then the future of the Nation is in doubt. Could it then be the reason why the North vigorously opposed the SE position for power rotation among the 6 geo-political zones ie some groups are not qaulified to rule because they are a minority? in the 21st century? What better quotes would seperatist advocates site?
If your sentiments are really representative of the North, the middle betters  and christian Northerners better watch it and it means that we are all really not understanding ourselves in Nigeria and so Southerners also better watch it.

No rational human-being can deny the south-south of their natural resources. The idea that all resources in Nigeria belong to all Nigerians is fraudulent. Nigeria is a State of Nations. The Northerners re being pampered by d revenue accrued from the Niger-Delta. Instead of investing in quality education and agriculture, they think the Army is their tribal property;a property and instrument of political control. I'm from the south west but 'll never deny how d south-south oil is sustaining Nigerian economy. Any Northerner who disagrees can learn from their cousin in NIGER.

In conclusion, Nigeria should adopt and implement true federalism including resource control. This will bring out the beauty in our cultural diversity and guarantee our economic development.

in a matter of time this man, Dokpesi, will bite his fingers in regret. Just wait and see.

ALL THIS NOISE ABOUT DOKPESI IS VERY SIMPLE. SOME NIGERIANS HATE IBB SO HE DOKPESI MUST ALSO HATE IBB, BUT WHETHER DOKPESI IS BROKE OR NOT HE HAS NOT COMMITTED ANY CRIME UNDER NIGERIAN LAW OR GOD'S LAW TO MAKE MONEY . THE TRUTH IS DOKPESI HAS REFUSED TO CONSPIRE AGAINST IBB, THEN HE BECOMES THE ENEMY OF CONSPIRATORS IN THEIR MILLIONS.

I NEVER KNEW THAT THIS DOKPESI CARRY WEIGHT LIKE THIS , SEE AS HE SAKE NIGERIANS , JONATHAN. IF NA ME SUPPORT IBB WHO GO CARE. CHIEF DOKPESI YOUMARE A STAR, YOU TOOK A STEP AND MANY NIGERIANS ARE GOING GAGA, DOKPESI THIS DOKPESI THAT HABA.

WHO IS DOKPESI INTIMIDATING ? SURE THIS MAN REALLY MATTERS UNTIL NOW I NEVER KNEW.

@ godogodo

Well, in the United States of America, we know there are four major groups that make up that population, the African Americans, the European Americans (whites), Asian Americans and Hispanic Americans, and Native Americans (American Indians making up 1% of the population)
All these groups minus whites who make up more than 70% of the population are considered minorities. The first minority to become president in Americas 200+ years of existence as a country is Barack Obama.

Ok, It is standard practice and a norm that Majorities have more say in any society since they represent a larger base within this society. When Nigerias democracy is mature enough, we can discard ethnicity and religion and vote for competence. Bit for right now, care has to be taken to preserve the delicate balance of power in the country.

Who is this foolish godogodo self? U dont just compare Nigerian politics to American politics where the system has developed over centuries to d present near-perfect state.

africanist:

No rational human-being can deny the south-south of their natural resources. The idea that all resources in Nigeria belong to all Nigerians is fraudulent. Nigeria is a State of Nations. The Northerners re being pampered by d revenue accrued from the Niger-Delta. Instead of investing in quality education and agriculture, they think the Army is their tribal property;a property and instrument of political control. I'm from the south west but 'll never deny how d south-south oil is sustaining Nigerian economy. Any Northerner who disagrees can learn from their cousin in NIGER.

In conclusion, Nigeria should adopt and implement true federalism including resource control. This will bring out the beauty in our cultural diversity and guarantee our economic development.

Ok so going by your logic (Nigerian being "a state of nations" If a foreign army, lets say the Ghanaian army invades Bayelsa with all its military might, will you expect the Nigerian army to defend Bayelsa or will your local militants defend Bayelsa from armored tanks, fighter jets, heavy artillery and war ships? Just answer that. since a nation is supposed to protect its territorial integrity, each "nation" in Nigeria (whatever Nigeria is in your opinion, apparently not a nation) should protect its own region from foreign invasion, right?

Solomon227:

@ godogodo

Who is this foolish godogodo self? U dont just compare Nigerian politics to American politics where the system has developed over centuries to d present near-perfect state.

Im merely giving you an example of "majority rule" as practiced in "near-perfect" democracies

chyz:

You are a selfish imperialist. This is exactly why we wont vote for you people.Do you not see how condescending what you typed is? What do you mean balance of power,between who and who?

imperialist? no, im actually a nationalist while you are a "tribalist". I believe in keeping Nigeria united and strong. I want Nigeria to assume her role as the true giant of africa with the largest economy, largest military, largest population and eventually a dominant force in the international community. with those "largests" mentioned, no one can brush a 150 million strong Nigeria to the side.

Na wa ooo, things dey happen for this Nigeria ooo, not surprised tho

http://lekanbaruwa./

ELE-OVIE:

This is like guiding a child through the path of failure all through his  formative and teenage years and when he is mature, demand success from him.
Ever heard of the adage " a fool at 40 is a fool forever" ?
You see, the above quoted ideology is everything Nigerians should run away from. This is the PLAGUE of Nigeria.

Upholding ethnicity and religion as the yard stick for electing persons into political offices certainly makes us mature - in tribalism and religious hate and bias.
Fighting for competence today against all odds will certainly make us mature in competence and good governance and will form a more solid foundation for the country NIGERIA if we must remain as one country.

IBB is the best thing that describes corruption in any dictionary and the only thing Nigerians should remove from our political equation for us to have positive results.


As for Dokpesi, he is a smart man. He is basically there 4 d money.

No im simply pointing out the reality of the situation. Democracy largely depends on trial and error, we're a young democracy, you have to give us time to mature. Today if a yoruba person votes for his kin only because they share an ethnicity and then finds out that this same kin he voted for did nothing to effect positive change in his life or in his community, he'll think twice, the same guy will now decide to vote for a hausa man and he'll notice that the hausa man has changed his life and community positively, he'll realize that ethnicity may not be as important a consideration as he initially thought. This is how minds are changed, through trial and error, this is how stereotypes are defeated, it all takes time. But for now, stick to the reality so we dont inflame passions.

@ godogodo

Im merely giving you an example of "majority rule" as practiced in "near-perfect" democracies

US has a system dat can hardly work in Nigeria where d likes of IBB will publicly state since the south controls economic power the North should control political power.

Clinton was Arkansa's governor befor vying for presidency (Arkansa,s to California 4 instance is like Bayelsa to kano). Obama can also be likened to a minority from small Hawaii Island and popularly elected as a president to lead your so called majority.

Thre is nothing like majority rule in the US as electorability of a candidate is determined by his antecedents, charisma and suitability of his/her policies to the electorates and  has little or nothing to do with where u are coming from.

houvest:

I actually thought you were going to modify the sentiments you initially expressed or clarify them to accomodater the Nigerian Pluralism but you went ahead to insist on your original position. Honestly this frightens me as to the future of Nigeria as a single Nation. However I suspect that you have lived so long in the US and has become unaware of the realities in Nigeria today. If however it is really representative of the Hausa /Fulani muslim opinion then the future of the Nation is in doubt. Could it then be the reason why the North vigorously opposed the SE position for power rotation among the 6 geo-political zones ie some groups are not qaulified to rule because they are a minority? in the 21st century? What better quotes would seperatist advocates site?
If your sentiments are really representative of the North, the middle betters  and christian Northerners better watch it and it means that we are all really not understanding ourselves in Nigeria and so Southerners also better watch it.

Nigeria is a plural country, so is America. But the fact is democracy is a game of numbers and majority counts for something. Minorities typically have less say, thats a fact of life. The single largest majority in Nigeria is the Hausa-Fulani. The three majorities in the entire country are wazobia. So these people will/should have more of a say in how things are done.

I've lost all respect for Raymond Dopkesi, There's nothin good about IBB, i wish Nigerians can just open there eyes

@ godogodo

Nigeria is a plural country, so is America. But the fact is democracy is a game of numbers and majority counts for something. Minorities typically have less say, thats a fact of life. The single largest majority in Nigeria is the Hausa-Fulani. The three majorities in the entire country are wazobia. So these people will/should have more of a say in how things are done.

Shut up and reason, stop comparing US to Nigeria

US has a system dat can hardly work in Nigeria where d likes of IBB will publicly state since the south controls economic power the North should control political power.

Clinton was Arkansa's governor befor vying for presidency (Arkansa,s to California 4 instance is like Bayelsa to kano). Obama can also be likened to a minority from small Hawaii Island and popularly elected as a president to lead your so called majority.

Thre is nothing like majority rule in the US as electorability of a candidate is determined by his antecedents, charisma and suitability of his/her policies to the electorates and  has little or nothing to do with where u are coming from.