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On who's to say what book is scripture or not, i thought i already mentioned it. It's God that says. The test of scripture is found in it's standing despite all odds. It cannot pass away. No decree can stop it, no council, no political party, nothing can 'hinder it'. That those books were not included shows it's not scripture. We have the final product now. There was a time when it was unfinished. There was a time when it was just 5books, there was a time when there was no new testament. Now call things are ready.
Not every book written by a prophet is scripture. For example 2Samuel 1 talks of the book of Jasher and there are other books mentioned in scripture. They may be good books, they may be written by prophets. There's no significant truth that you may find in them that's missing in the Bible. There's nothing of importance in any of those books that you can't get by meditation or revelation from the Bible. There's eternal life in the Bible. There's power, there's freedom, there's love, there's Jesus. i'm not greedy, neither am i a glutton, don't know about you. i've not touched a tenth of the depth of the riches of the Bible, why am i worried about the remaining books of moses, or the gospel of gaddaffi or apocrypha and co. it's no reason for me.

cultey:

If you read the article I posted,

You won't be asking this question!

He created it for the devil and his angels,

For anyone who disobeys Him.

Humans go there because they choose to serve Satan.

Since you are his follower,

You will live with him!

http://www.divinerevelations.info/Documents/Prepare_to_meet_your_God/index.htm

No they don't actually know this. They only think they do because they currently believe in the Bible.

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@Idehn
We're saying the same thing, just making different conclusions. I'm aware of the 'history of the versions', it's not a case of i never knew have been deceived all this while. i know of political intrigues and so on. The final product is what i'm referencing. There are localised versions of the Bible, we may even have Idehn Bible, i think there's td jakes Bible, oyakhilome Bible, women Bible and so on. Those are local/localised versions. I'm referencing the world best seller, it contains 66books, it can be googled, downloaded, in so many languages and versions. That's the final product. No man can of his own will physically take away or add to it. All the procedures were overseen by God. Like a local proverb will say "man's madness does not stop God's work".

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@thehomer
So you class jails, community service and fines as humane punishment. One man's poison is another's meat anyway, some people may still see your preferences as cruel. Plus, what would you do if you were god enough to have knowledge that an offender's case was hopeless and that a fine will not repent him? Would you still fine him, or just let him be? Sorry i'll answer you in tiny bits, thank you

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@thehomer
You say there're some things that should not be considered crime? There's an english word called 'STANDARD'. There are measurement standards, quality standards, safety standards etc. Look up God's standards. He's got standards, so you adjust to His standards. If there no standards, there'll be no order or sanity. Not every one likes to pay tax, not every one likes democracy, not every one likes to have his own wife, not every one wants to spend the same currency, or use the metre rule, or pay for electricity. There have to be standards and discipline. You either shape in or shape out(punishment).
I don't 'regard' the quran, not because i already believe the Bible. i didn't always believe the Bible, but thank God i found it, and i'm satisfied with. I find all that i need there, that's why i don't worry to look outside. Most people who 'trust' in other books or no books(like in your case) are always peeping from time to time into the Bible, like there's something missing that they can't point, a sort of void. BTW, i know many who have read/studied/even loved other books but who later found the bible home.

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Why don't you get it, i don't need to look around for anything. It's like a child who has all he needs, he's not going up and down tasting the neighbours' foods or something. There's no cause to, it's plain ridiculous IMO. By the way, i believe the Bible and it says the ONLY way to God is Jesus. i believe that and i have all that i need with Jesus. If you have truly read the Bible as you claimed, you'll have seen that. And you'll have seen the switch in approach from old testament to new testament. Maybe you should reread the Bible instead.

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You're making a very poor god already. Who are you to assert what others know and don't know. They only think they know, but you know right?

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Fire, water and electricity are natural i.e physical, faith is spiritual. But they're all useful, and can be abused or misused. You say faith is not amenable to evidence? Faith is evidence itself(hebrews 11v1). PEOPLE testify daily in large numbers of the effect of faith. It's a lazy attitude to conclude that they are all deluded, this are people of whom some are your parents, or your parent's friends, or your teacher, or your colleague at work, or mate in school who's proven over time to be as good/brilliant as or even better than you are over terms and semesters. Maybe, just maybe they've operated in a realm you've not yet operated.

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@thehomer
How come you're still asking about how God said? you want to revel in sensational stuff ko? you want to hear me say God whispered it to me in a 12hour vision or something? i quoted it, how did you fail to see it? The Bible is God's Word. I quoted different parts saying 'God's Word will not pass away'. That's the most natural common 'litmus test'. God's Word cannot be hindered or limited by man. Nothing can happen on earth out of His control. i know that sentence may upset you, but it's the truth. You don't understand it because you don't see it in the right perspective. That's why i said earlier that there's bigger fish to fry, a grand scheme, that CAN be understood by meditating on and studying God's Word. i've read about the compilation of the Bible, the history and co. All were orchestrated by God, nothing balled out of His control or caught Him unawares. All things worked together for good like in the case of Joseph in the bible.

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I didn't say that there are no significant truths in the other books. i said there are no significant truths that were MISSING in the bible. If there are, seeing you are vast in these books, please point out just one or two new significant truths there, and the book you found it. thanks

thehomer:

The above makes no sense. Do you punish people eternally for not believing you exist? You also cannot even lump humans with Satan because many of those people do not worship Satan and they do not have reasons to believe that there is a God. Also, to show the huge inefficiency, even Satan while in heaven decided to leave God. What does that say about God and heaven?

cultey:

It says that He is holy!!!

Besides He created and owns everything in this world,

Why shouldn't He rule as He pleases?

It's like saying that despite you are the head of your home,

An outsider comes from nowhere and tells you that,

You are not supposed to chastise your child for beating up someone in the streets!

Because disobedience to your parents has become a norm for you,

You think God will allow you to disobey Him and then forgive you in your rebellion?!

Keep disobeying your Creator for your own doom, simple!!!

Mind you, He'll forgive you if you are truly repentant of your sins!

thehomer:

Yes. They're more humane than stoning people to death. Remember that some of what we're talking about are not even crimes and there are prisons and hospitals for those that cannot be rehabilitated.

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Well i told you one man's poison is another's meat. Someone says "i'll rather die than marry so and so". Human choice vary. Your standards of humane or more humane are not the same with every other. Also, you are human, God's not. He makes the rule, if He calls it a crime, it is. Your opinion is just what it is, your opinion.

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Does the Bible IN FULL consider working on saturdays a crime? Does the Bible in full consider fornication as punishable by death? Have you truly read the Bible or do i need to quote? Are you neglecting some part of scripture especially the new testament? I told you why i don't believe other books more than the Bible. I told you there's eternal life in the Bible, there's the answers to the major questions to the purpose of life, the history of man and of his Creator. I have clean potable water and its working fine for my health. I've seen the effect of polluted water on others, i've introduced them to cleaner water and seen dramatic positive change in their liveS, i'm not obliged to go take the polluted water to know more for myself. That's the christian story compared to any other way.

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Why should you believe the Bible? Because it's the map to Heaven. There's more to life than time. Asides from the numerous benefits one can tap from belief in God here on earth, one has to plan for the future. The future is MOST important. The future is beyond the 70year old, 100year old mark. The future is after death, there's an eternity greater than 100years to live. Anyone who wants that future with God in Heaven has to yield/submit to God's choosing criteria. The Bible details that and equips any one who's interested.

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You can't assert that people don't know simply because some occasionally change religion. Atheists like you also occasionally change beliefs, do i assert that you don't know as well? Change is constant in earth, people change views on every matter on earth, it doesn't necessarily invalidate their former beliefs. There's an english word called 'deception'.

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@thehomer
Faith IS NOT amenable to evidence. I agreed to that earlier. Faith itself is evidence, i quoted a scripture passage to that effect. To explain further in a way you may understand, faith is greater than evidence, above evidence. i'm trying to explain to you in a dimension you might understand, that's why i'm using some analogies. It's like 'determination'. Determination may not have an 'empirical value'. But through determination, a weak person might achieve something above evident expectation. A 1kg man may lift a load of 10kg through determination, not physics, or beat up a man weighing 50kg.

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I assume all your lineage are not atheists. Not all your colleagues at work, or superiors past or present are all atheists. The point is not whether i know you, but that some of this people that believe God are actually intelligent, honourable, sociable enough. It's not illiteracy or poverty or low IQ or lack of exposure that made them believe in God. They're not all senseless and ignorant, some have seen and known more than you before making wise decisions to serve God.

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Why should one believe that the Bible is God's Word? One, the Bible testifies that it is God's Word. The Bible continuously says it is God's Word. Jesus Christ said the Bible is God's Word.

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Other reasons to believe the Bible include the power of the Bible, its numerous fulfilled prophecies,

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its amazing preservation(it's the oldest yet most popular book on earth), it is above other books given it's insight into human nature, translations, it's continual freshness, it's inspiration and changing effect on human life regardless of status.

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God subjected His Word to human frailty and it passed.

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It's wonderful unity is an unparalled miracle. Human ideologies change from place to place, time to time and person to person. God used so many persons at various times(some thousands of years apart) and different places and countries to couple His Word. Humans are generally insatiable. Some other religious books claim to have dropped from Heaven to one man with minimal translations and councils. Do you believe those books?

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@thehomer
Now on 'significant truths', you've jumped rope here. Let me kindly lead you back. You were talking about other books that you felt should be in the Bible and are not included, remember? And you pointed me to some links you saw as useful, ring a bell? And i quoted some scriptures as 'litmus test', following? And then i said there are no significant truths that may be in THESE books that were missing from the Bible, or that could not be gotten through study and meditating on scriptures. Are you still here? The Bible is not a geology textbook, it is the map for man to Heaven, and the manual for man on earth. Everything necessary for man to get to Heaven is in it. Everything every man needs on earth to function well is in it. You do away with this manual, you have no guarantee/warranty. You spoil you spoil be that, hell beckons.

thehomer:

One thing you need to understand is that once thinking beings are involved, then you are not free to do whatever you feel like doing.