I like how after seeing that nobody pays attention to your Bini revisionist campaign of turning oduduwa into a Bini Prince You guys on this forum have unanimously decided to do away with any Ife connection at all Now oduduwa is no longer a Bini Prince, Bini had no relationship with Ife
How will Benin have relationship with Ife and Esans our closest neighbors can't relate, what sort of history is that. Time will tell na only time he go take, The same palace that concocted the Ife tale changed it.
UGBE634: How will Benin have relationship with Ife and Esans our closest neighbors can't relate, what sort of history is that. Time will tell na only time he go take, The same palace that concocted the Ife tale changed it.
That's why I'm saying I like how you realised it is better to deny any connection with ife at all because you have seen your "ekaladaran is oduduwa" nonsense cannot fly. Better to run as far away from Ife as possible because you can't have any business with ife not to accept Ife glorious supremacy at last
I like how after seeing that nobody pays attention to your Bini revisionist campaign of turning oduduwa into a Bini Prince You guys on this forum have unanimously decided to do away with any Ife connection at all ... Well almost unanimously Now oduduwa is no longer a Bini Prince, Bini had no relationship with Ife
I know it's heart breaking if you have been following my submissions, I have always been consistent since I discovered that Benin/Ife relationship started after Oba Ovonramwen.
How can Oba of Benin be Yoruba and all of them have such difficult Edo names that can break the strongest of Yoruba jaws, if they attempt to pronounce them . Can you pronounce Ovonramwen?
You guys told everyone that Yoruba was the official language of the Palace, my question is why just end with speaking Yoruba language, are the people forbidding Yoruba names, show me the Yoruba names in Benin history before Oba Eweka 2.
I know it's heart breaking if you have been following my submissions, I have always been consistent since I discovered that Benin/Ife relationship started after Oba Ovonramwen.
How can Oba of Benin be Yoruba and all of them have such difficult Edo names that can break the strongest of Yoruba jaws, if they attempt to pronounce them . Can you pronounce Ovonramwen?
You guys told everyone that Yoruba was the official language of the Palace, my question is why just end with speaking Yoruba language, are the people forbidding Yoruba names, show me the Yoruba names in Benin history before Oba Eweka 2.
Mumu is what makes you not realise yoruba language has many dialects and Yoruba people have different accents
It is only on Nairaland you'll see a Yoruba man teaching an Edo man his history. Only on Nairaland A Yoruba man will teach an Urhobo man His language Only on Nairaland you'll see a Yoruba man who hasn't left Osogbo telling you an Itshekiri man claims to be Yoruba. Lol. Yet they haven't lived in Delta before o. Apart from Warri, they haven't been to the creeks and hinterland of the Niger Delta, yet they know their history than the locals. They even go as far as saying ' Oghene ' means ooni. Lol. I wonder who's worst between the Ibos and Yorubas in identity theft.
Ive lived in Ondo, Ekiti, Edo, Kogi, Delta and Lagos Nd there's nothing common between the Itshekiri man and Urhobo man though they are neighbors, talk more of the Yorubas. There's nothing common between the Yoruba speaking villages of Owan and Yoruba speaking areas of Akoko Edo. The Owans are Oras by tribe and Akoko Edo are Okpameris, though they speak Yoruba are not Yorubas. It is funny to even know many yoruba villages has individual languages different from the general one. Even in Urhobo, there are deep ones only Indingenes who lived in that place would know. There's a sub language of the Urhobo called Opke, that's the unadulterated one. If I speak Opke, not all Urhobo will understand. Same way when the Isoko speak, most times People from Mosogar wont understand. The Itshekiris has languages different from the common one, same way, in Benin there are many tongues, different from each. When an Oredo man says La'oze, the Egor man will say something else, in fact there are more than 20 ways to say good morning in Benin. I understand the major yoruba, Edo and Ishan to an extent, by extant laws, you'll think I understand Itshekiri and Urhobo because they are allegedly from Yoruba, but no, the languages are very different. Even in Ishan, Uromi will say ' Ba'tie'eh ' but the Ama man will say ' Be tue'eh' , we are all ishan but ask 'What is your name in different ways ' The main way to,connect people is 1. The festivals they undertake 2. Religion 3. Traditional dresses 4. Marriage laws 5. The Rulership or Kingship pattern.
Lol... Funny people who haven't travel would argue....
Hope the Yorubas also serve the Ikhimi tree and worship Osun since the edos are from Ife.
I know it's heart breaking if you have been following my submissions, I have always been consistent since I discovered that Benin/Ife relationship started after Oba Ovonramwen.
How can Oba of Benin be Yoruba and all of them have such difficult Edo names that can break the strongest of Yoruba jaws, if they attempt to pronounce them . Can you pronounce Ovonramwen?
You guys told everyone that Yoruba was the official language of the Palace, my question is why just end with speaking Yoruba language, are the people forbidding Yoruba names, show me the Yoruba names in Benin history before Oba Eweka 2.
Clearly, a result of your inability to understand that yoruba is more than the standard Yoruba you might be familiar with.. Which was me even being lenient because many names of the past Omonoba are very easy to pronounce no matter the dialect or accent. Infact some names have recognisable Yoruba meanings
I like how after seeing that nobody pays attention to your Bini revisionist campaign of turning oduduwa into a Bini Prince You guys on this forum have unanimously decided to do away with any Ife connection at all ... Well almost unanimously Now oduduwa is no longer a Bini Prince, Bini had no relationship with Ife
Lol according to your theories of propaganda almost everything came from Ife. The sculpture of oduduwa has been seen in the middle east and called a different name but your historians prefer telling %60 lies and %40 truth.
Lol.. No. Meaning You cannot say a thing like this
Clearly, a result of your inability to understand that yoruba is more than the standard Yoruba you might be familiar with.. Which was me even being lenient because many names of the past Omonoba are very easy to pronounce no matter the dialect or accent. Infact some names have recognisable Yoruba meanings
Damn, when I thought we are beginning to reach a place were the Yoruba will see reasons with us
It seems this Benin/Ife arguments is going to carry on for a long time
To know who the Itsekiris are, ask them. What/who do the Itsekiris themselves say they are?
(A) The eyewitness accounts collected from them in the 1800s have them confirming to the Europeans that they are part and parcel of the larger Yoruba group:
(I) “Let me now refer briefly to the tribes that people this part of the world. First we come to the Jakris, who are connected in race and language with the Yoruba people, extending from the Mahin country on the west to the Forcados on the East, and inland about as far as Sapele.”
~ H. L. Gallwey, “Journeys in the Benin Country, West Africa,” The Geographical Journal, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Feb., 1893), p.127.
(II) “In this respect, however, the officials agree with the tradition of the people at Warri, the Jekries, who claim to come from the west.”
~ H. Ling Roth, “Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts and Horrors,” (1903), pp.8-9.
(B) This historical reality of the Itsekiris have remained the same since that period (i.e. the 1800s & prior) all the way to the present century, day & time.
(I) For example, at timestamp 7:01 to 7:13 of this video, Chief Robinson Ariyo (the Egogo of Warri kingdom) says and I quote:
“… Yoruba, a place where we are from … our roots.”
(II) At timestamp 8:22 to 8:27 of this video, Chief Isaac Jemide (the Oshodin of Warri kingdom) says:
“… we are a Yoruba people as such.”
(2)ON ODUDUWA:
First of all, there is no such historical personage called Izoduwa (Imadoduwa) etc. in Benin traditions.
The IzOdUwA narrative is a fabrication that was made up by some Binis in the 1970s. And it was first heard of by the typical Edo person during Omonoba Erediauwa’s coronation ceremony of 1978-9.
Academic/professional historians (NOT the Benin neighborhood story-tellers) all laugh at this fabrication for being a poor job. This scandal is known to experts. Benin elders also know it. See attached screenshot for one example.
The classical story of the Bini Ekeladerhan which was first collected in the year 1889 is clear that he lived the remaining part of his life in his newly founded kingdom, Ughoton.
A Bini chronicler and chief (J. Uwadiae Egharevba) who flourished decades later also collected practically the same story of Ekaladerhan (from an entirely different generation of Bini informants), and his story also ended at his kingdom, Ughoton.
During all these period, Benin history recognizes King Oduduwa as being distict from Ekeladerhan. In fact, it is clear from the early Benin works that Oduduwa was already a King at Ife long before Ekaladerhan’s fore-fathers would be born.
In other words, it is very clear from the early records of Benin history that Oduduwa ruled in Ife when the first Ogiso, viz. Ogiso Igodo was sent to Igodomigodo to establish a supreme-supra-chiefdom there.
Whereas, Ekalderhan is the son of the last Ogiso, viz. Ogiso Owodo according to Benin records (even the recent records haven’t yet modified this part).
This is what the earliest records of Benin history say — that, Oduduwa is a different and distinct person from Ekeladerhan. They flourished in different eras.
Fast forward to the 1970s, lies began to surface in the history of Benin. The motive behind these lies have been variously linked, by scholars, to — for example — the need for the modern Binis “to ground the idea of an exceptional antiquity for their people and claims for its exclusive part in the sociopolitical life of independent Nigeria” ~ Bondarenko (2003:68).
In summary, early Benin history recognize Oduduwa as a different & distinct person from Ekaladerhan. He is recognized as having flourished at the outset of the Ogiso monarchy. It wasn’t until the 1970s before the Binis attempted to alter their own early documented history so as to equate two different persons as one and the same person for the purpose of veiling what they perceive to be an embarrassing aspect of their history in a newly formed country, Nigeria.
So, who is King Oduduwa? Oodua ruled as king only in Yorubaland. So, again (just like the Itsekiris’s case) ask at Ife (where he ruled) to know who he is.
According to received Ife traditions (and obviously the earliest Yoruba traditions), Oduduwa is known (without any confusion) as Oshin Ora in his oriki.
In the earliest Yoruba traditions, he is identified as a Yoruba leader who hailed from the hilly settlement of Oke-Ora; that is, one of the seven hilly settlements surrounding the Ife-bowl.
(3) ON Ọ̀WỌ̀ & ADO-EKITI:
Owo and Ado-Ekiti do not have Benin ancestry. Again, to know the roots & foundations of the Owo kingdom, ask the Owo palace.
According to the main body of Owo palace traditions, the kingdom of Ọ̀wọ̀ (classic dialect: Ọ̀ɣọ̀) was founded by a prince of Ile-Ife whose name is given as Asunlola Ojugbelu — a.k.a. Omolaghaye (and his son, Imade).
Also, the kingdom of Ado-Ekiti is founded (according to Ado palace traditions) by a prince of Ile-Ife who was known by the names Awamaro as well as Ewi.
Until you provide accounts of Owo palace traditions, and Ado-Ekiti palace traditions which identifies these individuals (Ojugbelu and Awamaro respectively) as Binis; then your submission remains the joke that it is.
Screenshot Reference: J. Eboreime, “Oral Traditions and the Prehistory of the Edo-Speaking People of Benin” in Blench and Spriggs, Archaeology and Language I, Taylor & Francis e-Library, 2004, p. 314.
Lol... Funny boy...
So youve asked them where they are from and they told you they are from Yoruba? Lol
Let us not go too far, Reno Omokri is an Itshekiri Prince, a descendant of Atuwatste the First, go and watch His debate on Ibo slave trade.. Lol
I'm very sure you dont know any Itshekiri sef.
Haven lived in Aronton, Ubgangue and Okere, I'm telling you, you're lying. Lol...
Lol
BTW, where have you been to in Itshekiri land, I mean where youve lived for like 1 year and above
Lol according to your theories of propaganda almost everything came from Ife. The sculpture of oduduwa has been seen in the middle east and called a different name but your historians prefer telling %60 lies and %40 truth.
Mr. Man keep quiet. Watch the video and see two itsekiri chiefs saying they came from Yorubas
yet the same Itshekiri has Ologbotsore has the highest title and not Balogun the same Itshekiri has laws forbidden Prince born of Yoruba women to,be king the same Itshekiri use the ' Eben and Ada '
Olu317: Ekalardan founded Ughotto and died there in 11 century. His descendants are still alive today overthere .
The distance between Bini and Ughotton or Gwatto s 42 kilometres . So stop lying to yourself. Oduduwa shrine is North i.e towards NorthEast Ileife. While Obatala is at the centre of Ileife.
Below is screenshot of where Ekalardan founded with his descendants stil living in that land. Revisionism is bad for you Edos. Meanwhile, ride on with this cruise.
lol
when the Oba said Oranmiyan was the 37th Ogiso and first Oba, Ooni of Ife should have debunked him na Abi was he deaf during the Oba's coronation?
Ughotton. just wow, which senatorial district abeg, I want to confirm myself.
even the Lagos you hype so much is a war camp.
your problem is, you want to annex your elder, even Ogun will not dare annex olokun sef but u, you no wel
To know who the Itsekiris are, ask them. What/who do the Itsekiris themselves say they are?
(A) The eyewitness accounts collected from them in the 1800s have them confirming to the Europeans that they are part and parcel of the larger Yoruba group:
(I) “Let me now refer briefly to the tribes that people this part of the world. First we come to the Jakris, who are connected in race and language with the Yoruba people, extending from the Mahin country on the west to the Forcados on the East, and inland about as far as Sapele.”
~ H. L. Gallwey, “Journeys in the Benin Country, West Africa,” The Geographical Journal, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Feb., 1893), p.127.
(II) “In this respect, however, the officials agree with the tradition of the people at Warri, the Jekries, who claim to come from the west.”
~ H. Ling Roth, “Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts and Horrors,” (1903), pp.8-9.
(B) This historical reality of the Itsekiris have remained the same since that period (i.e. the 1800s & prior) all the way to the present century, day & time.
(I) For example, at timestamp 7:01 to 7:13 of this video, Chief Robinson Ariyo (the Egogo of Warri kingdom) says and I quote:
“… Yoruba, a place where we are from … our roots.”
(II) At timestamp 8:22 to 8:27 of this video, Chief Isaac Jemide (the Oshodin of Warri kingdom) says:
“… we are a Yoruba people as such.”
(2)ON ODUDUWA:
First of all, there is no such historical personage called Izoduwa (Imadoduwa) etc. in Benin traditions.
The IzOdUwA narrative is a fabrication that was made up by some Binis in the 1970s. And it was first heard of by the typical Edo person during Omonoba Erediauwa’s coronation ceremony of 1978-9.
Academic/professional historians (NOT the Benin neighborhood story-tellers) all laugh at this fabrication for being a poor job. This scandal is known to experts. Benin elders also know it. See attached screenshot for one example.
The classical story of the Bini Ekeladerhan which was first collected in the year 1889 is clear that he lived the remaining part of his life in his newly founded kingdom, Ughoton.
A Bini chronicler and chief (J. Uwadiae Egharevba) who flourished decades later also collected practically the same story of Ekaladerhan (from an entirely different generation of Bini informants), and his story also ended at his kingdom, Ughoton.
During all these period, Benin history recognizes King Oduduwa as being distict from Ekeladerhan. In fact, it is clear from the early Benin works that Oduduwa was already a King at Ife long before Ekaladerhan’s fore-fathers would be born.
In other words, it is very clear from the early records of Benin history that Oduduwa ruled in Ife when the first Ogiso, viz. Ogiso Igodo was sent to Igodomigodo to establish a supreme-supra-chiefdom there.
Whereas, Ekalderhan is the son of the last Ogiso, viz. Ogiso Owodo according to Benin records (even the recent records haven’t yet modified this part).
This is what the earliest records of Benin history say — that, Oduduwa is a different and distinct person from Ekeladerhan. They flourished in different eras.
Fast forward to the 1970s, lies began to surface in the history of Benin. The motive behind these lies have been variously linked, by scholars, to — for example — the need for the modern Binis “to ground the idea of an exceptional antiquity for their people and claims for its exclusive part in the sociopolitical life of independent Nigeria” ~ Bondarenko (2003:68).
In summary, early Benin history recognize Oduduwa as a different & distinct person from Ekaladerhan. He is recognized as having flourished at the outset of the Ogiso monarchy. It wasn’t until the 1970s before the Binis attempted to alter their own early documented history so as to equate two different persons as one and the same person for the purpose of veiling what they perceive to be an embarrassing aspect of their history in a newly formed country, Nigeria.
So, who is King Oduduwa? Oodua ruled as king only in Yorubaland. So, again (just like the Itsekiris’s case) ask at Ife (where he ruled) to know who he is.
According to received Ife traditions (and obviously the earliest Yoruba traditions), Oduduwa is known (without any confusion) as Oshin Ora in his oriki.
In the earliest Yoruba traditions, he is identified as a Yoruba leader who hailed from the hilly settlement of Oke-Ora; that is, one of the seven hilly settlements surrounding the Ife-bowl.
(3) ON Ọ̀WỌ̀ & ADO-EKITI:
Owo and Ado-Ekiti do not have Benin ancestry. Again, to know the roots & foundations of the Owo kingdom, ask the Owo palace.
According to the main body of Owo palace traditions, the kingdom of Ọ̀wọ̀ (classic dialect: Ọ̀ɣọ̀) was founded by a prince of Ile-Ife whose name is given as Asunlola Ojugbelu — a.k.a. Omolaghaye (and his son, Imade).
Also, the kingdom of Ado-Ekiti is founded (according to Ado palace traditions) by a prince of Ile-Ife who was known by the names Awamaro as well as Ewi.
Until you provide accounts of Owo palace traditions, and Ado-Ekiti palace traditions which identifies these individuals (Ojugbelu and Awamaro respectively) as Binis; then your submission remains the joke that it is.
Screenshot Reference: J. Eboreime, “Oral Traditions and the Prehistory of the Edo-Speaking People of Benin” in Blench and Spriggs, Archaeology and Language I, Taylor & Francis e-Library, 2004, p. 314.
Owo has no Benin relationship yet they use the Ada and Eben in their coronation their King's coronation as same as the Igue festival of Benin...
the same Yoruba tribe that was named by Fulanis some few hundred years ago is chest beating...
Bia sef, apart from the ragtag fulani invasion you guys managed to pend, which other war did your mighty Yoruba fight??
though the ass whooping the Fulanis gave you guys in Ilorin is still fresh. Lol. chest beaters
yet the same Itshekiri has Ologbotsore has the highest title and not Balogun the same Itshekiri has laws forbidden Prince born of Yoruba women to,be king the same Itshekiri use the ' Eben and Ada '
lol
BTW, have you lived in Warri?
Sometimes I wonder if you guys are just retarded that you don't even understand what you say just minutes before
Sometimes I wonder if you guys are just retarded that you don't even understand what you say just minutes before
All you had to do was watch the video and see two itsekiri chiefs satisfy your condition @bold
PS. In my next post I will address your mention of Eben and Ada You Bini miscreants don't know anything
lol.
I have 2 questions for you my guy
1. what tribe are you? 2. have you lived among the Itshekiris?
be like I'll post Reno's video, ( a prince of Itshekiri ) detailing how Itshekiri came about.
I don't entertain people who hasn't left their village talking rubbish. Lol...
very soon you'll say they speak Yoruba or have yoruba names, where as, the Itshekiri language is not similar to the Yoruba.
I've lived in Ado Ekiti, Akure, Isua in Ondo state, Ayetoro in Kogi state and presently living in Lagos. all my stay at Ubgangue and Aronton ( excravos ), both Itshekiri towns, their language is not similar like your yoruba language, lol..
stay in,your Bush and talk shit.
come back and talk when youve left your village.... if you see any itshekiri, ask them why they use the Ada and Eben, also ask them why the former Olu didnt last..,, lol...
go and eat ewedu and leave history.
last question, Why didnt Ooni of Ife didnt intervene when this present Olu had issues? Lol...
Same reason why Ora and Okpameri bear Yoruba name is same reason Itshekiri has Yoruba name.
Yoruba will say Ekaro Itshekiri will say ' Da'bah'
I just deh waste time educating this one wen no know outside Osun State... wallow in,your ignorance
when the Oba said Oranmiyan was the 37th Ogiso and first Oba, Ooni of Ife should have debunked him na Abi was he deaf during the Oba's coronation?
Ughotton. just wow, which senatorial district abeg, I want to confirm myself.
even the Lagos you hype so much is a war camp.
your problem is, you want to annex your elder, even Ogun will not dare annex olokun sef but u, you no wel
You goofed as usual. Well, Ughotton was where Ekalardan founded and died over there.
Infact, oral interview conducted at Ughotton by Edo scholar in 2015 also testified to the fact, that he Ekalardan was the one who founded Ughotton in 11th century C.E, which was briefly before Oranmiyan arrived Igodo land in the and Established Obaship dynasty at the same 11th century, which is affirmed by Oba Bini's Court historians.
This is the reason, I call you guys clowns. . So, refuting this claim is as saying , that you run faster than your shadow.
Olu317: You goofed as usual. Well, Ughotton was where Ekalardan founded and died over there.
Infact, oral interview conducted at Ughotton by Edo scholar in 2015 also testified to the fact, that he Ekalardan was the one who founded Ughotton in 11th century C.E, which was briefly before Oranmiyan arrived Igodo land in the and Established Obaship dynasty at the same 11th century, which is affirmed by Oba Bini's Court historians.
This is the reason, I call you guys clowns. . So, refuting this claim is as saying , that you run faster than your shadow.
lol.
Where Ughotton deh for Edo State. give me a direction from Benin, ring ,road to be precise.
lol....,person wen deh Osogbo wan tell me about Benin...
Lol
do, you know why the Oba doesn't go to Usen ans why the Ogie in Usen doesnt see the Oba?? wahala.
Olu317: You goofed as usual. Well, Ughotton was where Ekalardan founded and died over there.
Infact, oral interview conducted at Ughotton by Edo scholar in 2015 also testified to the fact, that he Ekalardan was the one who founded Ughotton in 11th century C.E, which was briefly before Oranmiyan arrived Igodo land in the and Established Obaship dynasty at the same 11th century, which is affirmed by Oba Bini's Court historians.
This is the reason, I call you guys clowns. . So, refuting this claim is as saying , that you run faster than your shadow.
So Oranmiyan came to Igodo ( capital city of an established kingdom ) to,become king without a fight.... so someone just came to Igodo and made himself king, he had no past dealing with the place. wahala. so tell me where Ekhaladeran went after Oranmiyan founded the Oba stool... na different version una deh bring everyday.
but you know the Fulanis didn't capture ilorin without a fight but Oranmiyan captured Igodo singlehandedly, no fight, no tussle, just came and said ' Oya as e deh be now, na me don be king and I go change the name from Ogiso to Oba because na me Oranmiyan deh yarn and nobody fit challenge my yarning ' after some time, after imposing himself in,Benin he called the whole people and said ' as e deh be now, unto the founding lifestyle when I come do for life, I deh go Ife to be king, as I deh talk am, na so e go be, I don leave my Pikin eweka to,be king ' and he left to Ife.
Lol.
nkw reason if you had brain if Oranmiyans balls were made of Dragon fire or its another assumption aftsr eating Amala and gbegirir
Olu317: You goofed as usual. Well, Ughotton was where Ekalardan founded and died over there.
Infact, oral interview conducted at Ughotton by Edo scholar in 2015 also testified to the fact, that he Ekalardan was the one who founded Ughotton in 11th century C.E, which was briefly before Oranmiyan arrived Igodo land in the and Established Obaship dynasty at the same 11th century, which is affirmed by Oba Bini's Court historians.
This is the reason, I call you guys clowns. . So, refuting this claim is as saying , that you run faster than your shadow.
hahaha ' Oba Bini's Court Historian ' lool. wahala and lies. na new things I,deh hear o.
when in, 2015 oga...,which date, which publication to support ur claim
Abi,you're talking of Obas coronation when he said Oranmiyan is the 1st Oba and 37th Ogiso? which made Wikipedia' update their history.
Lol.
Mhen... Yoruba who,didn't had a King until Oduduwa wan deh measure balls.
even Opke stool senior Ooni stool by thousand years,
abeg go,chop gbegiri and amala abeg, drop ur phone make he cool,down from ur,lies
yet the same Itshekiri has Ologbotsore has the highest title and not Balogun the same Itshekiri has laws forbidden Prince born of Yoruba women to,be king the same Itshekiri use the ' Eben and Ada '
lol
BTW, have you lived in Warri?
1. About the Ẹbẹn and Ada
They are known as symbols of the King's Justice and Favor Ada being a cutlass to execute justice and Ẹben being a fan to deliver mercy or favor
These are purely Yoruba derived
In Yorùbá fan is "Abẹ̀bẹ̀", and cutlass is "Àdá" Also "ẹ̀bẹ̀" means plea for mercy or a favour (the receiver) "dá" means to execute, to perform. ie. Execute justice = "dájọ́". (the giver)
You don't have this linguistic representation of the Ceremonial fan and cutlass "Ẹbẹn" and "Ada" in Bini language.
In Bini "execute justice" is bu ohiẹ. To "seek favor" is rinmwian
Also in Bini "cutlass" is Opia (possibly igbo derived), while "Fan" is ezuzu
You can't find the logic behind the names of Ẹbẹn and Ada in Bini language
We can see that only in Yorùbá does "Ẹbẹn" refer to Mercy/favor as well as Fan So also "Ada" refer to Cutlass as well as execution of justice
2. So much talk about Ologboṣerè, yet if asked to give its meaning in Bini you wouldn't be able to. Even at first look, you can recognise the n-l palatalization which is a signature of yoruba language. Anyone correct me if that exist in other Volta-Niger languages
Ologboṣerè can be derived from Oní ògbo ṣe èrè/ire = "the wielder of the two-edged sword prospers/does a good thing"
Where Ughotton deh for Edo State. give me a direction from Benin, ring ,road to be precise.
lol....,person wen deh Osogbo wan tell me about Benin...
Lol
do, you know why the Oba doesn't go to Usen ans why the Ogie in Usen doesnt see the Oba?? wahala.
come,give me direction to Ughotton abeg
I will give you the needed direction to clear your doubt .
Ughotton lies 42 kilometres to the southeast of Bini. This is shown in Bini-Edo map for you and the unrealistic groups posting false information,which contradict their Ekaladerhan , who was the Ogiso Owodo son.
Olu317: I will give you the needed direction to clear your doubt .
Ughotton lies 42 kilometres to the southeast of Bini. This is shown in Bini-Edo map for you and the unrealistic groups posting false information,which contradict their Ekaladerhan , who was the Ogiso Owodo son.
lol. my guy go and eat ewedu abeg, history fabrication is not your calling.
So Oranmiyan came to Igodo ( capital city of an established kingdom ) to,become king without a fight.... so someone just came to Igodo and made himself king, he had no past dealing with the place. wahala. so tell me where Ekhaladeran went after Oranmiyan founded the Oba stool... na different version una deh bring everyday.
but you know the Fulanis didn't capture ilorin without a fight but Oranmiyan captured Igodo singlehandedly, no fight, no tussle, just came and said ' Oya as e deh be now, na me don be king and I go change the name from Ogiso to Oba because na me Oranmiyan deh yarn and nobody fit challenge my yarning ' after some time, after imposing himself in,Benin he called the whole people and said ' as e deh be now, unto the founding lifestyle when I come do for life, I deh go Ife to be king, as I deh talk am, na so e go be, I don leave my Pikin eweka to,be king ' and he left to Ife.
Lol.
nkw reason if you had brain if Oranmiyans balls were made of Dragon fire or its another assumption aftsr eating Amala and gbegirir
After thorough research , interview wered done by Edos scholars,in which one wrote on the importance of Ughotton to Bini king , as a place where Portuguese came in contact with Bini land and Oba Bini.
Anyway, the interview were granted by the spoke persons of Ughotton in 2013, which led to the fact that, they acknowledged Ughotton founder was Ekaladerhan in 11th century C.E.
Their names as follow -Interview with Mrs. F. Iguakun, Age-46, Venue Ughoton, Occupation-Nursing. Interview conducted on 15-4-2013.
For further information on religion at Ughoton, see interview with Christopher Enodunmwenben, Age-59, occupation – farming, venue-Ughoton. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013
interview with Rolland Obazee, Age-71, Occupation-Retired Soldier, Venue-Ughoton Village. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.
-Interview with Thomas Okunhon, Age-75, Occupation-farming, Venue-Ughoton Village. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.
They are known as symbols of the King's Justice and Favor Ada being a cutlass to execute justice and Ẹben being a fan to deliver mercy or favor
These are purely Yoruba derived
In Yorùbá fan is "Abẹ̀bẹ̀", and cutlass is "Àdá" Also "ẹ̀bẹ̀" means plea for mercy or a favour (the receiver) "dá" means to execute, to perform. ie. Execute justice = "dájọ́". (the giver)
You don't have this linguistic representation of the Ceremonial fan and cutlass "Ẹbẹn" and "Ada" in Bini language.
In Bini "execute justice" is bu ohiẹ. To "seek favor" is rinmwian
Also in Bini "cutlass" is Opia (possibly igbo derived), while "Fan" is ezuzu
You can't find the logic behind the names of Ẹbẹn and Ada in Bini language
We can see that only in Yorùbá does "Ẹbẹn" refer to Mercy/favor as well as Fan So also "Ada" refer to Cutlass as well as execution of justice
2. So much talk about Ologbóṣerè, yet if asked to give its meaning in Bini you wouldn't be able to. Even at first look, you can recognise the n-l palatalization which is a signature of yoruba language. Anyone correct me if that exist in other Volta-Niger languages
Ologbóṣerè can be derived from Oní ogbó ṣe ère/ire = "the wielder of the two-edged sword prospers/does a good thing"
lol.... so Fabrication at its peak... Ologbo means Bush cat, Ologbostere is leopard. my people, the Esan people call Bush cat or leopard Ologbo... wahala...
The Ada and Eben wasnt introduced during the Oba regime, it was the Ogisos that introduced it as symbol of AUTHORITY. lol Eben are given to titled Chiefs and Ada are given to Enogies. lool. I know you don't know the meaning... they don't mean either favour or mercy. wahala... baba I've told u to stick to Ewedu, you wont listen. Ada is always present wherever the Oba is, its a symbol of his presence. go,and check the picture when Duke of Kent visited Nigeria... the Ada bearer was present.
Lol... favour and mercy keh. u said Opiah, not knowing Ada means sword and it is Ishan that refer to Cutlass as Opiah and the Benin has a different tonation. Lol... wahala.. How did symbols of AUTHORITY created during Ogiso Ere, has Yoruba meaning when Oranmiyan came after the Custodian of Igodo, who was before the 36th Ogiso... shey u see say na 34 Kings u deh jump so?
besides they are not weapons kf war but authority. lool.... baba go,and eat Ewedu abeg...
be like I should ask you sef, did you attend school of forgery and fabrication cause youre very good at it,
So Oranmiyan came to Igodo ( capital city of an established kingdom ) to,become king without a fight.... so someone just came to Igodo and made himself king, he had no past dealing with the place. wahala. so tell me where Ekhaladeran went after Oranmiyan founded the Oba stool... na different version una deh bring everyday.
but you know the Fulanis didn't capture ilorin without a fight but Oranmiyan captured Igodo singlehandedly, no fight, no tussle, just came and said ' Oya as e deh be now, na me don be king and I go change the name from Ogiso to Oba because na me Oranmiyan deh yarn and nobody fit challenge my yarning ' after some time, after imposing himself in,Benin he called the whole people and said ' as e deh be now, unto the founding lifestyle when I come do for life, I deh go Ife to be king, as I deh talk am, na so e go be, I don leave my Pikin eweka to,be king ' and he left to Ife.
Lol.
nkw reason if you had brain if Oranmiyans balls were made of Dragon fire or its another assumption aftsr eating Amala and gbegirir
Lol In as much you do not know, Oranmiyan was an emissary to Igodo and did not arrived Igodo without entourage. Usen, Lukumi were part of the people that followed Oranmiyan to Igodomigodo.
Infact, Yoruba were the first to ride on horse in Biniland,which had Oranmiyan as lead prince on horse.This can also be verified because Oba Bini acknowledged that his patrilineal pioneer ancestor ,Oranmiyan, rode on horse when he came to Igodo kingdom. This is also acknowledged by Palace historians.
Olu317: After thorough research , interview wered done by Edos scholars,in which one wrote on the importance of Ughotton to Bini king , as a place where Portuguese came in contact with Bini land and Oba Bini.
Anyway, the interview were granted by the spoke persons of Ughotton in 2013, which led to the fact that, they acknowledged Ughotton founder was Ekaladerhan in 11th century C.E.
Their names as follow -Interview with Mrs. F. Iguakun, Age-46, Venue Ughoton, Occupation-Nursing. Interview conducted on 15-4-2013.
For further information on religion at Ughoton, see interview with Christopher Enodunmwenben, Age-59, occupation – farming, venue-Ughoton. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013
interview with Rolland Obazee, Age-71, Occupation-Retired Soldier, Venue-Ughoton Village. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.
-Interview with Thomas Okunhon, Age-75, Occupation-farming, Venue-Ughoton Village. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.
Why cry over the truth?
lol.
be like you'll come and tell me why Owo, Warri and Onitcha uses Eben, and Ada o, cause since they have Yoruba origin, a Yoruba prince must have ruled Onitcha too to,have Yoruba symbols.
be like we should visit Ughotton together sef. I'll be available in December, let's travel small.
lol.... so Fabrication at its peak... Ologbo means Bush cat, Ologbostere is leopard. my people, the Esan people call Bush cat or leopard Ologbo... wahala...
The Ada and Eben wasnt introduced during the Oba regime, it was the Ogisos that introduced it as symbol of AUTHORITY. lol Eben are given to titled Chiefs and Ada are given to Enogies. lool. I know you don't know the meaning... they don't mean either favour or mercy. wahala... baba I've told u to stick to Ewedu, you wont listen. Ada is always present wherever the Oba is, its a symbol of his presence. go,and check the picture when Duke of Kent visited Nigeria... the Ada bearer was present.
Lol... favour and mercy keh. u said Opiah, not knowing Ada means sword and it is Ishan that refer to Cutlass as Opiah and the Benin has a different tonation. Lol... wahala.. How did symbols of AUTHORITY created during Ogiso Ere, has Yoruba meaning when Oranmiyan came after the Custodian of Igodo, who was before the 36th Ogiso... shey u see say na 34 Kings u deh jump so?
besides they are not weapons kf war but authority. lool.... baba go,and eat Ewedu abeg...
be like I should ask you sef, did you attend school of forgery and fabrication cause youre very good at it,
Lol obviously it flew over your head. Not to worry, i wasn't expecting you to be capable of comprehending that. But I was giving the etymology of Ẹbẹn and Ada for those who have sense to know it
break down the word "ológbò" let me see.. And what does -ṣerè mean that makes adding it to "Ológbò" refer to Leopard You see how you are the one making fabrications
Also "Ológbò" is not the word found in "Ologboṣerè"
If you use the word "Ada" for sword in Bini then it is also a Yoruba input because that is Yoruba for cutlass. And while cutlass is technically also a sword.. We don't use it to refer to any kind sword, Yoruba were master blacksmiths and give names to different kinds of swords. "ada" is particularly what we call cutlass, it is not for war and as such rarely used as a weapon, we use the Idà and Ògbo. the Ada of a king we are talking about is neither Idà nor Ògbo.. It is a cutlass not a long sword or a double-edge sword
These fake Bini revisionists are something else. They waste so much time trying to revise history common to all.
This only started in the 80s because a Yoruba Oba of Bini went home to Ife and came back annoyed that he was not well received.
No matter how you guys revise it, the Court has spoken and the Ogiso/Ogiamen will never accept Oba. Oba will always "rent" his place during coronation.
. You are indeed a clown.
wetin this one dey talk