MaxInDHouse:


Ask about Ifẹ̀ and Modákẹ́kẹ́ or Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda!

Pacifism is idealistic.

Ola17:

Pacifism is idealistic.

LIE!
You can't be neutral when you believe (trust) in the effort of your fellow humans to make life easier!

Kobojunkiee:
An idol is an object that serves as a physical representation of a diety or god and so idol worship is the indirect worship of a deity through submission to these objects.

even your definition dismisses what christains in their ignorance and hatred say “Gods of wood and stone, that cannot speak or hear”
So dumb for anyone to think the objects are the Gods

Crystyano:


Stop vomitting like this...


It's not only Nigerians/Africans that are Christians.....



You don't see people of other continents saying stuff like this no matter what



Afterall
It was never everyone in Africa that was a Christian/Muslim and it will never be everyone



I actually don't think it makes any sense to say any form of spirituality is a 'must' whether African or not

You do see people doing this outside of Africa even in India, Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Thailand, China in all of those countries they complain about Christianity and Islam and their destruction of local religions and culture especially in India so your point was just a load of bullshit try again

Abohboy:


You do see people doing this outside of Africa even in India, Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Thailand, China in all of those countries they complain about Christianity and Islam and their destruction of local religions and culture especially in India so your point was just a load of bullshit try again

No mind that one.

macof:
even your definition dismisses what christains in their ignorance and hatred say “Gods of wood and stone, that cannot speak or hear”
So dumb for anyone to think the objects are the Gods

I didn't come here concerned about what "Christians" say in their ignorance and hatred. As I stated, an idol is a representation of a deity, and worship of such representations is what idol worship or idolatry also means?

In the case of Judaism, idol worship, as defined in the Old Law, implies a worship of any other deity, or image, besides Jehovah!

And as for your statement do you mean "gods of wood" or "gods made of wood"?

Kobojunkiee:
I didn't come here concerned about what "Christians" say in their ignorance and hatred. As I stated, an idol is a representation of a deity, and worship of such representations is what idol worship or idolatry also means?

In the case of Judaism, idol worship, as defined in the Old Law, implies a worship of any other deity, or image, besides Jehovah!

And as for your statement do you mean "gods of wood" or "gods made of wood"?

If we're going off of the dictionary definition then every single religion is idolatry or idol worship based you can't do the same thing as other religions but still turn around and call the idol worshippers

Abohboy:
If we're going off of the dictionary definition then every single religion is idolatry or idol worship based you can't do the same thing as other religions but still turn around and call the idol worshippers

How do you reckon the statement in bold?

Kobojunkiee:
How do you reckon the statement in bold?

Well maybe not every single religion that's false but every known and popular religion prays to some sort of object made of some sort of material like wood or gold whether it be christianity, islam, judaism, isese, odinani, buddhism, hinduism etc. They all pray to an object of sorts which is supposed to represent a deity in their religion and belief

Abohboy:
Well maybe not every single religion that's false but every known and popular religion prays to some sort of object made of some sort of material like wood or gold whether it be christianity, islam, judaism, isese, odinani, buddhism, hinduism etc. They all pray to an object of sorts which is supposed to represent a deity in their religion and belief

Those of them who indeed pray to objects ofcourse practice idolatry. No question about that at all.

Abohboy:


You do see people doing this outside of Africa even in India, Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Thailand, China in all of those countries they complain about Christianity and Islam and their destruction of local religions and culture especially in India so your point was just a load of bullshit try again

Let's just say some are concerned while others are not

Kobojunkiee:
I didn't come here concerned about what "Christians" say in their ignorance and hatred. As I stated, an idol is a representation of a deity, and worship of such representations is what idol worship or idolatry also means?

In the case of Judaism, idol worship, as defined in the Old Law, implies a worship of any other deity, or image, besides Jehovah!

And i am not concerned about why you came here, you mentioned me, i didn't mention you.

I don't know if it is that you are dull because for the second time your attempt at defining idol worship is exactly what i have implied previously.

macof:

There are no idol worshippers in this world. Abrahamic religions just use it to disrespect non-abrahamic religions.
it is merely a show of disdain and disrespect

macof:
even your definition dismisses what christains in their ignorance and hatred say “Gods of wood and stone, that cannot speak or hear”
So dumb for anyone to think the objects are the Gods

so what exactly are you mentioning me for? you just want to argue? you don't have better things to do?

macof:
And i am not concerned about why you came here, you mentioned me, i didn't mention you.

I don't know if it is that you are dull because for the second time your attempt at defining idol worship is exactly what i have implied previously.

so what exactly are you mentioning me for? you just want to argue? you don't have better things to do?

Huh?

Kobojunkiee:
Those of them who indeed pray to objects ofcourse practice idolatry. No question about that at all.

as suspected an abrahamic who thinks his perception of others is fact.
listen as i have said before there are no idol worshippers anywhere on this planet. Nobody prays to an object, they pray to what the object represents. When you keep a picture of your spouse, it is not your spouse that is there but the picture represents them, when you miss them, you can look at the picture and "feel" their presence.

common sense actually

macof:
as suspected an abrahamic who thinks his perception of others is fact.
listen as i have said before there are no idol worshippers anywhere on this planet. Nobody prays to an object, they pray to what the object represents. When you keep a picture of your spouse, it is not your spouse that is there but the picture represents them, when you miss them, you can look at the picture and "feel" their presence.

common sense actually

i·dol
an image or representation of a god used as an object of worship.

And again,

Kobojunkiee:
An idol is an object that serves as a physical representation of a diety or god and so idol worship is the indirect worship of a deity through submission to these objects.

Kobojunkiee:
Again,

nobody submits to objects. some sects don't even use your typical material objects but use their bodies, their profession etc as a conduit of divine presence. Ogun worshippers might use their blacksmithing work as a form of religious practice
Churches, Synagogues, Shrines, Holy books, holy water, holy whatever... "my body is the temple of the lord"... these all conduits ie. idols
unless you can show me where someone calls a rock their God, that is that very rock itself is the God, you don't yet know what you are saying

macof:
nobody submits to objects. some sects don't even use your typical material objects but use their bodies, their profession etc as a conduit of divine presence. Ogun worshippers might use their blacksmithing work as a form of religious practice
Churches, Synagogues, Shrines, Holy books, holy water, holy whatever... "my body is the temple of the lord"... these all conduits ie. idols
unless you can show me where someone calls a rock their God, that is that very rock itself is the God, you don't yet know what you are saying

um .... to submit is to bow or give attention to, or what you may call worship.

And yes, idol worshippers typically bow down or reference their gods through the giving of attention through the representative objects.

As for Paul's statement suggesting the body as the temple of God, I don't believe Paul meant for the body to be worshipped or revered but instead he meant that as a call to believers to rid themselves of sin in order to be worthy servants of God - the body is not a conduit in any way or form.

Kobojunkiee:
um .... to submit is to bow or give attention to, or what you may call worship.

And yes, idol worshippers typically bow down or reference their gods through the giving of attention through the representative objects.

As for Paul's statement suggesting the body as the temple of God, I don't believe Paul meant for the body to be worshipped or revered but instead he meant that as a call to believers to rid themselves of sin in order to be worthy servants of God - the body is not a conduit in any way or form.

lol when it comes to his religion he makes excuses.
it is either no religion is idol worship, or all religions are idol worship take one. I have helped you understand enough, it is left for you to continue in your typical abrahamic ignorance and disdain for others or grow up

macof:
lol when it comes to his religion he makes excuses.
it is either no religion is idol worship, or all religions are idol worship take one. I have helped you understand enough, it is left for you to continue in your typical abrahamic ignorance and disdain for others or grow up

What excuse do you see there?

Paul's opinion is not my religion. I simply corrected your assumption of his view is all. If you open to the writings, paying close attention to context of course, you would realize Paul in no way called on persons to see themselves as conduits or idols.
Again,

i·dol
an image or representation of a god used as an object of worship.

And again,

Kobojunkiee:
An idol is an object that serves as a physical representation of a diety or god and so idol worship is the indirect worship of a deity through submission to these objects.

Kobojunkiee:
What excuse do you see there?

Paul's opinion is not my religion. I simply corrected your assumption of his view is all. If you open to the writings, paying close attention to context of course, you would realize Paul in no way called on persons to see themselves as conduits or idols.
Again, And again,

typical dull abrahamic.
you cannot get it, your intellect is not there, so run along

macof:
typical dull abrahamic.
you cannot get it, your intellect is not there, so run along

Again..

i·dol
an image or representation of a god used as an object of worship.

And again,

Kobojunkiee:
An idol is an object that serves as a physical representation of a diety or god and so idol worship is the indirect worship of a deity through submission to these objects.

macof:

There are no idol worshippers in this world. Abrahamic religions just use it to disrespect non-abrahamic religions.
it is merely a show of disdain and disrespect

Kaarè . So there are no idol worshippers in this world ?How come people created graven image for God of creation or Almighty God ? If you do not know much on this things then, make no such linear statement.

Olu317:
Kaarè . So there are no idol worshippers in this world ?How come people created graven image for God of creation or Almighty God ? If you do not know much on this things then, make no such linear statement.

They are sentimentalists believing they're fighting for their culture instead of finding out where things go wrong they just feel like promoting their own tradition anyway!
I threw a question to everyone on this thread: is there any culture or tradition throughout the world which orders it's adherents to go and convert people of other nations?
It is written in the Bible (even though it's not from my race) that Jesus said:


“All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things! Matthew 28:18-20

No culture on this planet ever utter such statement with so much confidence!
Evidence that all other cultures belongs to demons who don't have anything tangible to offer!

Olu317:
Kaarè . So there are no idol worshippers in this world ?How come people created graven image for God of creation or Almighty God ? If you do not know much on this things then, make no such linear statement.

Did you follow his logic at all?

He said ATR adherents aren’t worshiping those images but what they represent. Same way Catholics allegedly don’t worship the numerous idols of Jesus and Mary in their parishes.

Ola17:

Did you follow his logic at all?
He said ATR adherents aren’t worshiping those images but what they represent. Same way Catholics allegedly don’t worship the numerous idols of Jesus and Mary in their parishes.

Catholics are not worshiping the God of Abraham because that God abhors the usage of images in His worship! Exodus 20:4

So you people need to know who are those practicing what the book says not just people claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham!

Ola17:
Did you follow his logic at all?

He said ATR adherents aren’t worshiping those images but what they represent. Same way Catholics allegedly don’t worship the numerous idols of Jesus and Mary in their parishes.

What logic? His pronouncements are illogical and detached. What you describe there in bold is idol worship aka idolatry.

Catholics who bow down to images are also idol worshippers. Denying the existence of idol worship is akin to rejecting the truth right in front of you..

Olu317:
Kaarè . So there are no idol worshippers in this world ?How come people created graven image for God of creation or Almighty God ? If you do not know much on this things then, make no such linear statement.

What’s this one saying Which graven image of which God of creation
Are you following me around?. What kind of useless joblessness makes a person monitor threads i post in and at the end comment something senseless

MaxInDHouse:


Catholics are not worshiping the God of Abraham because that God abhors the usage of images in His worship! Exodus 20:4

So you people need to know who are those practicing what the book says not just people claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham!

I’m sure sure they’d say the same of you seeing that you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ and the role Mary play in man’s redemption.

MaxInDHouse:


Catholics are not worshiping the God of Abraham because that God abhors the usage of images in His worship! Exodus 20:4

So you people need to know who are those practicing what the book says not just people claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham!

you people need to learn the difference between “using Idols” and “worshipping idols”
At this point it is no longer a conflict of theology but conflict of English proficiency.

Btw. As long as you have “holy” objects ,or holy persons like your daddy GO you are just like those you call idol worshipers . You would have to tear down the altar in your church or wherever you worship and burn any cross in your home or church. You would have to stop treating your church as “house of God” reserved for religious purposes, stop treating your body as “temple of the lord”, you would have to start seeing your holy book as just pieces of paper.

When you are done what would be left wouldn’t even be able to be called a religion again.
Religions need sacred objects, spaces and sometimes even persons

Even the jews had the ark of covenant, mount zion, mount this mount that, jewish priests had their Ephod cloth and jewish faithfuls had their incense

Kobojunkie:
What logic? His pronouncements are illogical and detached. What you describe there in bold is idol worship aka idolatry.

Catholics who bow down to images are also idol worshippers. Denying the existence of idol worship is akin to rejecting the truth right in front of you..

It’s all symbolism sir. Same way the Protestants reverence the Cross, doesn’t mean they worship it.

Ola17:
It’s all symbolism sir. Same way the Protestants reverence the Cross, doesn’t mean they worship it.

It isn't symbolism but idol worship. Symbolism refers to an abstract representation of ideas and qualities, while idolatry is the reverence of images or representations of gods or beings. And yes, reverence of a cross is also idol worship..

You keep looking for ways to rationalize what is obvious and by definition "idol worship" .. why is this?

Kobojunkie:
It isn't symbolism since that refers to an abstract representation of ideas and qualities, while idols are images or representations of gods or beings. And yes, reverence of a cross is also idol worship..

You keep looking for ways to rationalize what is obvious and by definition "idol worship" .. why is this?

Are you by any means an iconoclast?