ZnO:

What is her name? We cannot compare Ngozi with an unknown name. Abi she no get name?

I'd love to mention her name, but doubt it makes sense to violate her privacy like that. The information I've given should be enough to make at least some basic comparisons; the name alone is not relevant.

And on what basis do you compare her with Ngozi when you are the only one who know her? You want to b ethe judge and the jury at the same time?
You expect me to participate in such a comparison?
Well, I put it to you that you are lying. There is no such person as you claim. Thank you

*shrug* It is what it is. What I've said is enough to make some basic comparisons. If you need her name too, I cannot give it. And if you think I'm lying or making her up, so be it. Not my problem.

seanet. . .

I doubt the rate at which PhDs get tenure track positions is 50%
b) She didn't get a job "somewhere", but at a very famous school ranked pretty high on the list in her field.

Tenure track position as an assistant prof  does not match an MD position of a bank . Tenure track means the said person is on probationary status for a period of time. Simply put, the person is learning on the job, so she cannot be allowed to manage a dept let alone a bank not to talk of WB.

Look at the the job functions and pay packages. A tenured prof who gets to teach Keynesian and Classical theories  to students is not in the same league wish someone who wields so much power; controls and manages billions of dollars in assets in the global financial community. Most tenured profs in Ivy league would love to be a WB MD, but most MDs in WB would not  like to be tenured profs. Go and ask Irish, Greek, and Spaniards how much influence these Bretton Woods institutions have.

adconline:

I doubt the rate at which PhDs get tenure track positions is 50%
b) She didn't get a job "somewhere", but at a very famous school ranked pretty high on the list in her field.

Tenure track position as an assistant prof  does not match an MD position of a bank .

Right. And I've never claimed they are at the same stage in their careers. This chick for example is few years short of 30, Ngozi is probably in her 50s. But at the same stage in their careers, the chick I know has achieved just as much.

Tenure track means the said person is on probationary status for  a period of time. Simply put, the person is learning on the job, so she cannot be allowed to manage a dept let alone a bank not to talk of WB.

Right, so not at the same stage in their respective careers.

Look at the the job functions and pay packages. A tenured prof who gets to teach Keynesian and Classical theories  to students is not in the same league wish someone who wields so much power; controls and manages billions of dollars in assets in the global financial community.

What are you talking about? Tenured profs often leave for short periods of time/consult or affiliated with non-academic institutions. Just look at the bio of Mankiw I mentioned earlier. Paul Krugman is another guy, look at his bio.

Most tenured profs in Ivy league would love to be a WB MD, but most MDs in WB would not  like to be tenured profs. Go and ask Irish, Greek, and Spaniards how much influence these Bretton Woods institutions have.

And what is your basis for saying this?

At any rate, probably as a US-trained economist, getting a position at the Federal Reserve, Council of Economic Advisors, etc are just as good if not better career-wise as being at the World Bank. And you can take a look at what sorts of people fill these positions I just mentioned.

EzeUche:

seanet. . .

You missing my moniker? Okay?

@ Ekt_bear

I found her though actually I had stumbled across her profile a long time before while doing some web surfing so did not take me too long to pull her up. Yeah she definitely seems cool.

Link me up, I am looking for a chick like that ooh  

I am handsome, well educated and a christian. Dont smoke, dont drink, dont chase after women randomly.

@ ZnO/MekusMonkey/NcharaMoron

Ekt_bear is telling the truth. She is definitely going places and definitely has achieved more than even Okonjo so relax.

SEFAGO ashewo nie. One chance lo fe fi omo yen se.

seanet02:

SEFAGO ashewo nie. One chance lo fe fi omo yen se.

I have to assess first bros now, If she is a
8-10 long term relationship
5-7 Long term lashing (Bleep buddy)
3-5 One chance and go

Wetin be your own sef, go and find your own

SEFAGO:

@ Ekt_bear

I found her though actually I had stumbled across her profile a long time before while doing some web surfing so did not take me too long to pull her up. Yeah she definitely seems cool.

Link me up, I am looking for a chick like that ooh  

I am handsome, well educated and a christian. Dont smoke, dont drink, dont chase after women randomly.

@ ZnO/MekusMonkey/NcharaMoron

Ekt_bear is telling the truth. She is definitely going places and definitely has achieved more than even Okonjo so relax.

Hehe, I knew even just by bringing her up I was saying too much. It isn't difficult to find Nigerians who fit the details I gave, if your google skills are good.

I have no clue what her relationship status is, lol. Anyway, she is someone I kind of admire and I've already mentioned as a role model for my sisters.

Sad when Nigerians do not support one of their own. Even when that person is internationally recognized.

Tribalism will blind people. . .

EzeUche:

Sad when Nigerians do not support one of their own. Even when that person is internationally recognized.

Tribalism will blind people. . .

She has my full support. Notice I've not tried to pull her down in the thread (or more generally on NL.) I just object to someone saying we don't have anyone like her We have at least one person who will be her equal, assuming all goes well.

ekt_bear:

She has my full support. Notice I've not tried to pull her down in the thread (or more generally on NL.) I just object to someone saying we don't have anyone like her We have at least one person who will be her equal, assuming all goes well.

People are talking within Nigeria. . .

So you had to go across Africa to Ethiopia to find someone of the same caliber?

EzeUche:

Sad when Nigerians do not support one of their own. Even when that person is internationally recognized.

Tribalism will blind people. . .

Should we support bokoharams because they are internationally recognized as terrorist like mend?

EzeUche:

People are talking within Nigeria. . .

So you had to go across Africa to Ethiopia to find someone of the same caliber?

What are you talking about, please read what was written before responding

Nah she is definitely not easy to find, I actually saw her profile a really long time ago tbh when I was doing some online research (2 years+) and was very impressed. I google a lot of people though with Nigerian names anywhere so chances are if you have met one successful Nigerian in the UK, US or Nigeria, I would know a lot about them just by google stalking their lives.

Dont worry I google random successful people a lot especially NIgerians so no big deal, its a good way to learn different paths to success.

EzeUche:

Sad when Nigerians do not support one of their own. Even when that person is internationally recognized.

Tribalism will blind people. . .

So she is Nigerian now? Odikwa is very risky sha.

Anyhoo, I just think most of her policies are common sense and not worth $300,000+. That na my own probs

Tenure track position as an assistant prof  does not match an MD position of a bank . Tenure track means the said person is on probationary status for  a period of time. Simply put, the person is learning on the job, so she cannot be allowed to manage a dept let alone a bank not to talk of WB.

Look at the the job functions and pay packages. A tenured prof who gets to teach Keynesian and Classical theories  to students is not in the same league wish someone who wields so much power; controls and manages billions of dollars in assets in the global financial community. Most tenured profs in Ivy league would love to be a WB MD, but most MDs in WB would not  like to be tenured profs. Go and ask Irish, Greek, and Spaniards how much influence these Bretton Woods institutions have.

Ignorance is definitely bliss. A tenure track position is way harder than getting a job at world bank. Most Economic PhDs would love to get a tenure track position but cant. So they go to private sector (Mckinsey, Goldman Sachs, NERA) or Public Sector (IMF, Federal Researve, Central Bank of different countries, World Bank). You assume that because private sector jobs command a higher salary that they will be more coveted or competitive? People who do PhDs dont do it for money lol. They are in general weirdos who dont like money.

Most tenured professors at top economic schools (most are not ivies) can go into private sector easily man. Like a breeze if they wanted to.

Its in general 30X more difficult to get tenure track at a top 10 school per se than getting a job at world bank. Now moving to the MD position is of course another story that would depend on your competence levels. A tenured professor at a top ten school for example is not on the same academic plane as anyone on NL including my Mensa wielding self.

Anyways this is irrelevant.

Both these women are one of a kind. If you are talking about qualifications man I doff my hat to both of them. But sometimes perfromance is more important than shining qualifications. Its indeed rare for Africans to reach that level though its really no big deal. There are like a billion chinese with economic PhDs .

ZnO

Maret women riot occurred all over Nigeria. Shut up about market women riot. That is communal action.

Give me an IGbo woman that has ever transformed your society, A transforming individual.


Kuti, Tinubu and Kofo Abayomi were transformers. They single handedly at individual capacity, not communal action, impacted political and social changes.


Before Nigeria there was Queen Amina in Hausaland, there was Moremi in Yorubaland. Give me an Igbo woman of their parity in social leadership.

Mrs Iweala is the Greatest you ever had.

These other women I mentioned are not anywhere close to her accomplishments in contemporary terms but they were at the same scale of social relevance as she is now.

In future there will be many more women transformers and we look back to Iweala and she will be viewed in same light as Abayomi, Kuti and Tinubu appear to you now.

Ekt is talking about this young girl that's already appear to be at parity with Iweala in academic achievements. Once she is absorbed into social changes who knows how far she might end up going.

Remember when John Paul died and they were looking for successor? Olubunmi Okogie was a candidate for the papacy. Nigeria's proud moment, is it not?

Paul wolfowitz resigned as chairman of WB, Mrs Iweala was a candidate for the chair. Proud moment for Nigeria.

I like Mrs iweala and I rejoice with you Igbos for her accomplishments and her vision.

I can see why you worship her- first Igbo female transformer!

For those of us who are used to a long list of transformers worship is uncalled for.

So don't translate our cool response to her remarks as hatred.

She has great qualities but she is no goddess!

What are you talking about? Tenured profs often leave for short periods of time/consult or affiliated with non-academic institutions. Just look at the bio of Mankiw I mentioned earlier. Paul Krugman is another guy, look at his bio.

You are talking about hypothetical scenario, what tenured profs would become if. Your person of reference has not become such, so keep it in the coolers. Paul Krugman is not a person of reference cos we are talking about Iwelas who have got their PhDs.


And what is your basis for saying this?

At any rate, probably as a US-trained economist, getting a position at the Federal Reserve, Council of Economic Advisors, etc are just as good if not better career-wise as being at the World Bank. And you can take a look at what sorts of people fill these positions I just mentioned.


Is  Dr Iweala not US trained? Most tenured profs would jump  at such  offer to become a WB  MD. It’s a premium spot for most profs in that field. How many profs get to rise to the position of Economic advisor to the president?  You don’t really need a professorship/PhD to be on Fed. You are going off the tangent here , cos you are talking about someone –an assistant prof who’s about to match track record with Iweala’s.

adconline:

What are you talking about? Tenured profs often leave for short periods of time/consult or affiliated with non-academic institutions. Just look at the bio of Mankiw I mentioned earlier. Paul Krugman is another guy, look at his bio.

You are talking about hypothetical scenario, what tenured profs would become if. Your person of reference has not become such, so keep it in the coolers. Paul Krugman is not a person of reference cos we are talking about Iwelas who have got their PhDs.

What? How is it hypothetical? As I said, tenured profs go into the non-academia sector all the time. It isn't anything strange. Or are you saying hypothetical in that the person I'm talking about hasn't yet done any such non-academic consulting or affiliations (to my knowlege)? Wait a few years, let her face the task at hand and get tenure and I'm sure then she'll dabble into other things. Can't put the cart before the horse.

And what is your basis for saying this?

At any rate, probably as a US-trained economist, getting a position at the Federal Reserve, Council of Economic Advisors, etc are just as good if not better career-wise as being at the World Bank. And you can take a look at what sorts of people fill these positions I just mentioned.


Is  Dr Iweala not US trained? Most tenured profs would jump  at such  offer to become a WB  MD. It’s a premium spot for most profs in that field. How many profs get to rise to the position of Economic advisor to the president?  You don’t really need a professorship/PhD to be on Fed. You are going off the tangent here , cos you are talking about someone –an assistant prof who’s about to match track record with Iweala’s.

What is your basis for saying that profs would jump at the offer to become a WB MD? Based on what? Premium spot, how and why? Again, what evidence? I suspect that you don't have any.

To some extent, we are comparing apples and oranges. . . this person I've mentioned has chosen a slightly different career path in economics than Okonjo-Iweala. But her own path is in no way inferior, and is arguably superior. What she has right now, Okonjo-Iweala can probably not get (at least at the same caliber of school.) Yet what Okonj-Iweala has right now (or the equivalent positions at the Brookings Institution or some similar organization), she can one day take.

Paul Krugman is not a person of reference cos we are talking about Iwelas who have got their PhDs


In America, you don't need a Msc or PhD for social recognition or public service.

Their people are eduvated facing forward and so emphasis is put on application and social service.

Nigerians are educated facing backward. We put emphasis on credentials, even when the person has no practical skills or track record for social changes.

We put emphasis also on institutions, rather than human capability.

WBank is a predatory institution. Many third world countries have had their otherwise stable economy destroyed by the financial instruments of WBank.

So its not clear if, given our history with WB and their contributions to the destruction of our economy and currency, we really ought to endorse that institution as a great friend to our interest, though we are proud of the individual accomplishments of the Nigerians that worked in it.

We remember SAP - structural adjustment programme. That was a WB instrument forced upon our country using backchannells to bribe and coerce our leaders into the agreement.

So let's be proud of Mrs Iweala as an individual but I will exercise caution in doing same for Wbank or its principles and goal for Nihgeria and Africa generally.

Anyways, I didn't mean to derail the thread.

In short, contrary to Nchara's statement, what you have and acclaim in Igboland, we have at least one of our own (there may be more, but this is the one I've met personally.) Younger and arguably with higher potential for badassness

We remember SAP - structural adjustment programme. That was a WB instrument forced upon our country using backchannells to bribe and coerce our leaders into the agreement.

SAP worked in some countries sha.

Where did SAP work?

To some extent, we are comparing apples and oranges. . . this person I've mentioned has chosen a slightly different career path in economics than Okonjo-Iweala. But her own path is in no way inferior, and is arguably superior. What she has right now, Okonjo-Iweala can probably not get (at least at the same caliber of school.) Yet what Okonj-Iweala has right now (or the equivalent positions at the Brookings Institution or some similar organization), she can one day take

Your fair sense of comparison is in question. You are comparing someone who has proven track record -WB MD vs a non tenured assistant professor. If her dozier is rejected after 6 years, she crumbles and starts from square one. Iweala's pension alone is enough to last her entire life while a non tenured prof does have not such perks. What path is arguably superior? WB MD who has more clout, experience, money, influence and power  vs assistant prof whose career is dependent on being confirmed as a tenured prof in 6-7 years time?

adconline:

To some extent, we are comparing apples and oranges. . . this person I've mentioned has chosen a slightly different career path in economics than Okonjo-Iweala. But her own path is in no way inferior, and is arguably superior. What she has right now, Okonjo-Iweala can probably not get (at least at the same caliber of school.) Yet what Okonj-Iweala has right now (or the equivalent positions at the Brookings Institution or some similar organization), she can one day take

Your fair sense of comparison is in question. You are comparing someone who has proven track record -WB MD vs a non tenured assistant professor. If her dozier is rejected after 6 years, she crumbles and starts from square one. Iweala's pension alone is enough to last her entire life while a non tenured prof does have not such perks. What path is arguably superior? WB MD who has more clout, experience, money, influence and power  vs assistant prof whose career is dependent on being confirmed as a tenured prof in 6-7 years time?

The only thing Iweala has on her is age. Which imo doesn't count for very much.

Even if this chick I know flops and doesn't get tenure (probably a low-probability event, since it is fairly unusual for someone not to get tenure if they are on tenure-track [except at certain schools!]), then she either:
A) jumps down a tier to get tenure (from a very good school to just a good one or OK one)
B) or leaves and goes to work for some big investment bank, some big hedge fund
C) or something equally lucrative and prestigious.

She'd have to fall off pretty hard not to achieve what Iweala achieved at the same age. And there is no real reason to expect that to happen. . . it isn't like she has anything but a track record of excellence up to this point in her life.

Anyway, we can agree to disagree, that is fine

Your fair sense of comparison is in question. You are comparing someone who has proven track record -WB MD vs a non tenured assistant professor. If her dozier is rejected after 6 years, she crumbles and starts from square one. Iweala's pension alone is enough to last her entire life while a non tenured prof does have not such perks. What path is arguably superior? WB MD who has more clout, experience, money, influence and power  vs assistant prof whose career is dependent on being confirmed as a tenured prof in 6-7 years time?

You are basing Iweala's worth on the fact that she works at the World Bank. Obtaining a tenured position is actually more difficult than working at the World bank. Any dooofus can work at the World bank. the next Word Bank head/boss is going to be Hillary Clinton, a lawyer, who would never be considered for any Finance position job in her home country. The World bank isnt that spectacular as you are making it sound, maybe to you Ibos sha. To the rest of the world, it is just another sub-par institution eagerly working to exploit the stupidity of third world countries for the benefit of the more prosperous western countries.

ZnO:

And on what basis do you compare her with Ngozi when you are the only one who know her? You want to b ethe judge and the jury at the same time?
You expect me to participate in such a comparison?
Well, I put it to you that you are lying. There is no such person as you claim. Thank you

I dont know any Ibo man/woman/child 'hydroponicist or whatever hydro they may specialize' in dead or alive that is this impressive:

Adebayo Ogunlesi is currently Chairman and Managing Partner of Global Infrastructure Partners, a $5.64 billion joint venture formed by Credit Suisse and General Electric. Prior to his current role, he was Executive Vice Chairman and Chief Client Officer of Credit Suisse, based in New York. He previously served as a member of Credit Suisse’s Executive Board and Management Council and chaired the Chairman’s Board. Previously, he was the Global Head of Investment Banking at Credit Suisse. Since joining Credit Suisse in 1983, Mr. Ogunlesi has advised clients on strategic transactions and financings in a broad range of industries and has worked on transactions in North and South America, the Caribbean, Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Asia. He recently[when?] acquired the London Gatwick Airport in a deal worth £1.455 billion.[citation needed]
Prior to joining Credit Suisse, Mr. Ogunlesi was an attorney in the corporate practice group of the New York law firm of Cravath, Swaine & Moore. From 1980-81 he served as a law clerk to Associate Justice Thurgood Marshall of the United States Supreme Court.
Mr. Ogunlesi attended the prestigious Kings College Lagos, Nigeria after which he received his B.A. with first class honors in Philosophy, Politics and Economics, from Oxford University, his J.D. magna cumlaude, from Harvard Law School and his M.B.A. from the Harvard Business School. He is a member of the District of Columbia Bar Association. He was a lecturer at Harvard Law School and the Yale School of Organization and Management, where he taught a course on transnational investment projects in emerging countries

Ekt Bear aka Sefago (same person, just like I said last year)

Ekiti dude logs out and responds  as Sefago

Na today?

That woman is not a nairalander with a pseudonym, and would actually be proud that her name is being mentioned. So if she does exist, you that I know will be so happy to furnish her name. There is simply no such person. Stop the lies.

iragbijile:

I dont know any Ibo man/woman/child 'hydroponicist or whatever hydro they may specialize' in dead or alive that is this impressive:

I did not know Ogunlesi is a woman.

Lol

We don't have the same writing style. He is far more arrogant than I am (but very well may have good reason for it, for all I know. . . I don't know enough about him to say). He drops in naija phrases more smoothly into his writing, mine is more awkward (evidence that I didn't grow up in there)

At any rate, I assume you believe that fstranger is different from me?

fstranger, if you come on YIM, I'll give you her name and you can confirm that she exists