AjanleKoko:

Managerial perspective indeed.
You sound more like a student with each post.

No mind am

na overego dey worry am

i hope he won't think of working in my company if he comes back to naija

our COO is a 2.2 grad. it would be hard for the likes of sefago to work for someone who should be cleaning toilets

oyb:

No mind am

na overego dey worry am 

i hope he won't think of working in my company if he comes back to naija

our COO is a 2.2 grad. it would be hard for the likes of sefago to work for someone who should be cleaning toilets

He would need to graduate first, wouldn't he?

AjanleKoko:

He would need to graduate first, innit?

SEFAGO is a graduate I think.

oyb:

No mind am

na overego dey worry am

i hope he won't think of working in my company if he comes back to naija

our COO is a 2.2 grad. it would be hard for the likes of sefago to work for someone who should be cleaning toilets

Why do you have so many 2;2s in your company?

woetooam4j:

SEFAGO is a graduate I think.

Prolly doing his 3rd masters or 2nd Phd, or something

woetooam4j:

Why do you have so many 2;2s in your company?

They must have way too many toilets at Oando
What do people do up in there, poo all day?

AjanleKoko:

Managerial perspective indeed.
You sound more like a student with each post.

either you had some extra experience going into your job at oando or you knew someone who helped you get into that company.
Which is it?

AjanleKoko:

Prolly doing his 3rd masters or 2nd Phd, or something

ROTFL. I thought SEFAGO said only people with 2:2s go for masters and Ph.Ds? Why is he going against his belief? Kids of nowadays sha!

I think he is still young to be doing his second Ph.d.   He doesnt strike me to be that smart anyway. Not as witty or insightful. I think he is still on his first Ph.D.  Or may be his second masters at some unknown college in the middleeast.

They must have way too many toilets at Oando
What do people do up in there, poo all day?

Oyb must be a really good cleaner then, to have excelled amongst so many excellent janitors.

Impressive Oyb, keep it up!

There are two people with First class on NL, JARUS AND BECOMRICHN!

davidylan:

either you had some extra experience going into your job at oando or you knew someone who helped you get into that company.
Which is it?

Tell me you are being sarcastic?


Dont get petty. Not sexy at all!

@SEFAGO,

Between Oyb and Becomrihn, who would you hire if you were hiring?


Oyb with Lower credit from Ife Vs Becomrich with first class from Ilorin


They are both electrical engineers BTW

i went to unilorin too

davidylan:

either you had some extra experience going into your job at oando or you knew someone who helped you get into that company.
Which is it?

Sorry I don't work at Oando.

AjanleKoko:

Sorry I don't work at Oando.

either you had some extra experience going into your job at oando or you knew someone who helped you get into that company.
Which is it?

davidylan:

either you had some extra experience going into your job at oando or you knew someone who helped you get into that company.
Which is it?

What does 'extra experience' mean? Maybe if i understood what that meant, I'd be able to provide a better answer.

AjanleKoko:

What does 'extra experience' mean? Maybe if i understood what that meant, I'd be able to provide a better answer.

Did you have some additional qualifications besides your first degree?

davidylan:

Did you have some additional qualifications besides your first degree?

Of course I do. Don't you?

AjanleKoko:

Of course I do. Don't you?

perhaps that, and not really your gpa, was instrumental to you obtaining a job right?

davidylan:

perhaps that, and not really your gpa, was instrumental to you obtaining a job right?

Okay.
I think I get you now. Well, I started working, and was already on my first job, before I completed my masters degree.

I must say though, your viewpoint is rather simplistic. You very likely don't really work in industry, wherever you are based. Most likely academics, or research. Do you actually think every single graduate of a university or similar institution is hired for every single job solely on the basis of their GPA?

Of course not. It's absurd to think so. Only very few companies require very smart people to work for them. Some teaching and research institutions, some prestigious organizations like investment banks, top software companies like Google and Microsoft, etc., high-powered consulting organizations like Mckinsey and Accenture. They are maybe 10% of all employers, just like first class graduates and 2:1 graduates are maybe 10-20% of the graduate population.

Even these organizations hire such graduates only at entry level. Outside entry level, they need experienced guys to do the day to day operational work, and keep things moving. They also deal with suppliers and contractors, and they are less concerned about the GPAs of those contractors or what school they went to. Nigeria is no different. I think, for someone to say only a class of university graduates are relevant to the labour market, it only showcases the person's ignorance.

Oyb, I hope it's not Olufeagba that turned Becomrich into that?

AjanleKoko:

Okay.
I think I get you now. Well, I started working, and was already on my first job, before I completed my masters degree.

A masters degree is more of an equaliser. Once you've done that much less attention is paid to your undergrad GPA. If you thought a 2-2 was just fine why bother with a masters deg?

AjanleKoko:

I must say though, your viewpoint is rather simplistic. You very likely don't really work in industry, wherever you are based. Most likely academics, or research.  Do you  actually think every single graduate of a university or similar institution is hired for every single job solely on the basis of their GPA?

You've made this same derogatory remark to Sefago at least 2ce. I work in the world's second largest chemical company . . . hint it does not run an academic program.

AjanleKoko:

Even these organizations hire such graduates only at entry level. Outside entry level, they need experienced guys to do the day to day operational work, and keep things moving. They also deal with suppliers and contractors, and they are less concerned about the GPAs of those contractors or what school they went to. Nigeria is no different. I think, for someone to say only a class of university graduates are relevant to the labour market, it only showcases the person's ignorance.

hmm i never even hinted at that at all. Basically asked you a question that had no relevance to that statement in highlights.
Even though you finished with a 2-2, you still went ahead to perhaps obtain professional experience (or certificates) and a masters degree. I would hire you much faster than i would consider a 1st class graduate who just went to sit at home twiddling his thumbs.

While your GPA is not the sole consideration for employment, it can be a reflection of your overall attitude to a challenging work environment.

NB: i didnt get my job on the basis of my gpa either.

davidylan:

A masters degree is more of an equaliser. Once you've done that much less attention is paid to your undergrad GPA. If you thought a 2-2 was just fine why bother with a masters deg?

I assume you graduated with either a first class or 2:1 degree. And I am also sure you have done at least a masters degree. Why did you also not think your good grades were enough?

davidylan:

You've made this same derogatory remark to Sefago at least 2ce. I work in the world's second largest chemical company . . . hint it does not run an academic program.

It is not meant to be derogatory. In your own case, I'd assume that, for you to weigh in behind the GPA-is-the-true-assessor paradigm, you must be working in an environment where it is the sole criterion for employment. You might be working in industry, in a research position, surrounded by Phds.

Sefago's case is a different animal entirely.

AjanleKoko:

I assume you graduated with either a first class or 2:1 degree. And I am also sure you have done at least a masters degree. Why did you also not think your good grades were enough?

1st class, 2-1, 2-2 or 3rd class . . . an undergraduate degree is not much better than a high school diploma these days. Everyone and his dog has one.
In an increasingly competitive world, you need something that gives you an edge over others.

AjanleKoko:

It is not meant to be derogatory. In your own case, I'd assume that, for you to weigh in behind the GPA-is-the-true-assessor paradigm, you must be working in an environment where it is the sole criterion for employment. You might be working in industry, in a research position, surrounded by Phds.

Sefago's case is a different animal entirely.

For starters, i am not advocating a system where GPA's are the sole criterion for employment. I know a 2-1 graduate from college who i would not hire for anything in the world. Excellent crammer but absolutely useless when it comes to on-the-job skills. My point is that too many people hop on the "GPA's are irrelevant" bandwagon simply as a mechanism to console themselves over their inability to work hard enough to earn a better GPA.

davidylan:

1st class, 2-1, 2-2 or 3rd class . . . an undergraduate degree is not much better than a high school diploma these days. Everyone and his dog has one.
In an increasingly competitive world, you need something that gives you an edge over others.

For starters, i am not advocating a system where GPA's are the sole criterion for employment. I know a 2-1 graduate from college who i would not hire for anything in the world. Excellent crammer but absolutely useless when it comes to on-the-job skills. My point is that too many people hop on the "GPA's are irrelevant" bandwagon simply as a mechanism to console themselves over their inability to work hard enough to earn a better GPA.

Still a narrow-minded, maybe naive view to have, even. The most celebrated people in today's world are not even PhDs. Many did not even go to school. The list is endless: Jobs, Gates, Zuckerberg, Oprah, Dell, Ellison, Woods, Combs, Dr Dre, etc. From the arts, entertainment, finance, even hi-tech. That paradigm, that age where the most important people in the world were Einstein, Oppenheimer, Curie, etc, is long dead. Yes, we still have the very smart PhD boffins. Problem is, they now work for the college dropouts.

davidylan:

1st class, 2-1, 2-2 or 3rd class . . . an undergraduate degree is not much better than a high school diploma these days. Everyone and his dog has one.
In an increasingly competitive world, you need something that gives you an edge over others.

For starters, i am not advocating a system where GPA's are the sole criterion for employment. I know a 2-1 graduate from college who i would not hire for anything in the world. Excellent crammer but absolutely useless when it comes to on-the-job skills. My point is that too many people hop on the "GPA's are irrelevant" bandwagon simply as a mechanism to console themselves over their inability to work hard enough to earn a better GPA.

I have always expressed reservation about the bolded too. It is now common to find people dismiss FC and 2.1 and easily quote some Third Class achievers, forgetting the thousands that are still struggling.  I have however stopped arguing on such trivias recently.

Notwithstanding,  I respect 2.2s that are smart.

AjanleKoko:

Still a narrow-minded, maybe naive view to have, even. The most celebrated people in today's world are not even PhDs. Many did not even go to school. The list is endless: Jobs, Gates, Zuckerberg, Oprah, Dell, Ellison, Woods, Combs, Dr Dre, etc. From the arts, entertainment, finance, even hi-tech. That paradigm, that age where the most important people in the world were Einstein, Oppenheimer, Curie, etc, is long dead. Yes, we still have the very smart PhD boffins. Problem is, they now work for the college dropouts.

the list isnt really "endless". Those people you pick out are one out of how many really? Besides note most of the people you select are Americans, folks born in a country where TALENT will ALWAYS rise to the top regardless. You also forget that most of those folks were not dumb either . . . Gates and Zuckerberg i think were Harvard graduate students at one point.
Quite interesting that these same people you mention stuff their companies with the brightest minds from Asia and America. Surely you would expect them to only pick drop-outs no?

To say my comment was narrow-minded then follow it up with one that makes very little sense is priceless irony.

Jarus:

I have always expressed reservation about the bolded too. It is now common to find people dismiss FC and 2.1 and easily quote some Third Class achievers, forgetting the thousands that are still struggling.  I have however stopped arguing on such trivias recently.

Notwithstanding,  I respect 2.2s that are smart.

Ajanlekoko would do well to read this point. for every Zuckerberg there are thousands more who can barely make minimum wage.

AjanleKoko:

Still a narrow-minded, maybe naive view to have, even. The most celebrated people in today's world are not even PhDs. Many did not even go to school. The list is endless: Jobs, Gates, Zuckerberg, Oprah, Dell, Ellison, Woods, Combs, Dr Dre, etc. From the arts, entertainment, finance, even hi-tech. That paradigm, that age where the most important people in the world were Einstein, Oppenheimer, Curie, etc, is long dead. Yes, we still have the very smart PhD boffins. Problem is, they now work for the college dropouts.

I see Kiyosaki has you well trained. I must be the only person in the world with zero respect or admiration for this guy.

AjanleKoko:

Still a narrow-minded, maybe naive view to have, even. The most celebrated people in today's world are not even PhDs. Many did not even go to school. The list is endless: Jobs, Gates, Zuckerberg, Oprah, Dell, Ellison, Woods, Combs, Dr Dre, etc. From the arts, entertainment, finance, even hi-tech. That paradigm, that age where the most important people in the world were Einstein, Oppenheimer, Curie, etc, is long dead. Yes, we still have the very smart PhD boffins. Problem is, they now work for the college dropouts.

Same old schtick with these people. How many drop-outs are employing phd boffins? Most of the big pharmaceutical companies you see in the US where started by "phd boffins" based on their own research. See santa cruz biotechnology, Genentech, Eli Lily, DOW chemical e.t.c.

in much the same way, not every first class or 2'1 is a success

the world does not begin or end with 2'1 and 1st

its a great springboard for the beginning of your career, but a career is more of a journey than a race.

only people starting their careers will carry degree on their head the way its being bandied about here , because thats the great divider at that point. further down the line, its what you can deliver that is more critical

oyb:

in much the same way, not every first class or 2'1 is a success

the world does not begin or end with 2'1 and 1st

its a great springboard for the beginning of your career, but a career is more of a journey than a race.

only people starting their careers will carry degree on their head the way its being bandied about here , because thats the great divider at that point. further down the line, its what you can deliver that is more critical

We must be reading a different thread. See what i said here - 1st class, 2-1, 2-2 or 3rd class . . . an undergraduate degree is not much better than a high school diploma these days. Everyone and his dog has one. In an increasingly competitive world, you need something that gives you an edge over others.

No one is carrying degrees on their head. Just bored of the lazy "GPA's dont matter" attitude particularly by those who couldnt work hard enough.

davidylan:

the list isnt really "endless". Those people you pick out are one out of how many really? Besides note most of the people you select are Americans, folks born in a country where TALENT will ALWAYS rise to the top regardless. You also forget that most of those folks were not dumb either . . . Gates and Zuckerberg i think were Harvard graduate students at one point.
Quite interesting that these same people you mention stuff their companies with the brightest minds from Asia and America. Surely you would expect them to only pick drop-outs no?

To say my comment was narrow-minded then follow it up with one that makes very little sense is priceless irony.

First off, let me make this comment: I am not trying to insult you. Yes, I said your viewpoint was narrow-minded. It's not an insult.

Now to your comments:
Those people are at the very top of the line. They're not just isolated examples.
And remember, we are talking about the relevance of 2:2 graduates on this thread, no?
I specifically use Americans as examples for the same reason you are pointing out. What inhibits talent from rising to the top in Nigeria? Very simple answer: Stereotyping. The strong are quick to blame the weak, the rich are quick to blame the poor, for their lack of success. Someone specifically came on here and said 2:2 graduates were basically worthless. That's an example of a stereotype. But a number of 2:2 graduates in Nigeria have built mammoth companies, and done very well for themselves in their career. What's wrong with holding them up as an inspiration for the majority of graduates who did not graduate with a first class or 2:1?

Disappointingly, many of the 'privileged' graduates are quick to condemn them for, in your own words,  their inability to work hard enough to earn a better GPA. For me, that's a narrow-minded view. It only showcases the 'jungle mentality' of Africans, the Sambo vs Mlambo viewpoint. Everybody is competing with everybody else.

I salute all those who graduated at the top of their class. Good for them. But life is not winner takes all, no matter what anybody thinks. For those who did not, it is definitely not the end of the road.

what is 2:2 and 2:1 ?
is it 2.0 out of 4 gpa??

2.2 ---> second class lower-----gpa 2.49-3.49
2.1----> second class upper----gpa 3.49--4.49

maximum gpa obtainable---5.00

AjanleKoko:

Now to your comments:
Those people are at the very top of the line. They're not just isolated examples.

when you consider them in broader context, you're basically looking at 1 out of maybe 50000 members of their graduating class for the entire USA maybe?

AjanleKoko:

And remember, we are talking about the relevance of 2:2 graduates on this thread, no?
I specifically use Americans as examples for the same reason you are pointing out. What inhibits talent from rising to the top in Nigeria? Very simple answer: Stereotyping.

Wrong. Lack of opportunity is the answer.
I know many folks here too who spend too long searching for jobs because their GPAs were poor. It is just as important here as much as it is in naija.
Would a Bill Gates born in Nigeria be who he is today? No and it wont be because of stereotyping.

AjanleKoko:

Someone specifically came on here and said 2:2 graduates were basically worthless. That's an example of a stereotype. But a number of 2:2 graduates in Nigeria have built mammoth companies, and done very well for themselves in their career. What's wrong with holding them up as an inspiration for the majority of graduates who did not graduate with a first class or 2:1? Disappointingly, many of the 'privileged' graduates are quick to condemn them for, in your own words,  their inability to work hard enough to earn a better GPA. For me, that's a narrow-minded view,

How many 1st class or 2-1 graduates do you see putting up threads to denigrate the others? Rather we see a plethora of threads from 2-2's crowing about how one or two of them are smarter than 1st class graduates and how GPAs should be thrown out.

AjanleKoko:

salute all those who graduated at the top of their class. Good for them. But life is not winner takes all, no matter what anybody thinks. For those who did not, it is definitely not the end of the road.

No matter your GPA, what sets you aside is the constant drive to excel. I just happen to think that drive is more embodied in those who started the climb much earlier than those who thought a 2-2 was just ok as long as daddy was there to help me up a little.