Tisong007:
CHARLATAN

e pain am fake biologist... Go back.to.school.and learn. More about embryology stop reading junks on Google

yinkabeauty:


Don't let the term "non binary" worry you, are you for intellectual debate or you are being political like those coconut 🥥 head people who don't want to reason because of their hatred for LGBTQI people, so when they hear anything "non-binary" they go berserk...we are not doing that here.

It doesn't matter the percentage, all we care for is its reality, intersex exist, and it's not one sided as you claimed sometimes an individual can be more of male and less of female or more or female and less of male and can also be equal in phenotypes, morphology..so can't you technically describe those people as "non binary " forget the term afterall, scientists can fabricate another term for it , afterall the term INTERSEX does it not define itself enough? INTER (BETWEEN) SEX(SEX) not binding to male or female outrightly ...in between, non binary..e.t.c
In animals you mentioned where do you put hermaphrodites who possess both male and female features? Do you call them male organism or female organism or hermaphrodite(non binary, technically)? Are you joking!?


Botragelad

😂😂😂

Botragelad:

So you really think you can separate biological sex determinants into boxes, like chromosomes and testosterone, and then claim that a lab can determine someone's sex as "more dominant"? Please, that's not how biology works!

I'm saying this again, sex chromosomes are not the only determinants of sex, and testosterone is not the only hormone involved! Estrogen, progesterone, and others are there too.

Where did you get this "percentage of gender" from, because it is utter bunkum. Now, tell me, how do you reduce gender identity percentages or dominance? And, there's no way a lab can just determine someone's sex as "more male" or "more female". That's not how gender works! Lol

Are you confused?

Sharrap! and don't argue on what you don't know!
Tell us what determines sex if not sex chromosomes?
Are you not alive, you can carry out gender test on individualss to determine the extent at which they are either male or female, it has been done severally, infact this lady in question, Algerian boxer khalif and other Asian failed gender test before the Olympics but the body in charge were discarded and they are not the one in charge of boxing in this current Olympics, the case will still be revisited after olympic, Caster Senanya also failed gender test just like the ladies afore mentioned and you can reduce the undue advantage by hormonal suppression method because one of the effects of those gene is to produce male hormone which is helpful for male athletes or those who have their chromosomes in sports and so testosterone level can be suppressed to a normal female level, the same was done for Caster Semanya before they allowed her compete again.



brain54

yinkabeauty:


You don't have to be emotional, non - binary is used for those who don't feel identified with any of the two genders, male/female , it's more of a social concept.
And on the other hand,
if we are to go biological, intersex are somewhat non- binary although they don't ascribe the term to them because human being is in between two sexes and can choose the sex he/she leans into depending on preference, sometimes operations are done especially if it's an external defect to correct this before they are properly placed in male or female definition.


Botragelad

That's my point exactly. Biologically there's nothing like non-binary

You guys create that term on your own to suit your narrations..

Why do transgenders identified as non-binary(if truly they changed sex)

PJtech:


That's my point exactly. Biologically there's nothing like non-binary

You guys create that term on your own to suit your narrations..

Why do transgenders identified as non-binary(if truly they changed sex)

Yeah, it's a social construct and it's reality, it's not that it was created just to suit narratives, the term is meant for people who TRULY don't bind to any of the main gender m or f...be it psychologically or emotionally...

caye:
PPL STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHITE SUPREMACY

The whites have used this technique to dispossess a black woman athlete in the Olympics before.
They said she looked more as a man ; yet she wasn't Trans.

It was simply because she kept winning and winning, and their ego was at stake!

Even at a point Serena Williams was being forced to be doing a lot of blood tests, till she cried out , " What Are You Using My Blood For?!"

White supremacy operates and Seeks to dominate in the areas of:

Education
Economics
Entertainment
Law
Labour
Politics
Religion
Sex
War ( The Honourable Neely Fuller jr.)

They can't just dispose you like that without a test, the question is, will you pass the gender test which determines intersex people in the sports? But where I will like things to happen is there should be general test not random or test which seems to be like witch hunting, Caster Semanya of South Africa 🇿🇦 is perhaps the person you were referring to.

AbahJFK:
If she has XY chromosome,but came out with female physical characteristics, it means she was meant to be a man but during pregnancy something happened and the xy chromosome couldn't express itself fully leading to the development of female phenotype. Maybe she had androgen insensitivity or she had both Xy and Xx chromosome. In androgen insensitivity, the reproductive organs fail to develop into a male type and instead develop into a female type because the gonads were insensitive or refuse to obey the command of the androgens(testosterone). But that doesn't mean her other organs like the muscles, heart and lungs are also insensitive. Therefore she still has some advantage over normal females, although she might not be as strong as men.


I see sex/gender as being binary. All these LGBT stuff are just man-made. Most of them don't have any chromosomal aberrations.

Genetic sex is either XX or XY
XX= FEMALE
XY= MALE
there could be mistakes/abnormalities during fertilization leading to two sperms fertilizing an egg,or empty sperm fertilizing an egg, etc leading to variations different from the norm eg XXY Bleep XO etc and these may led to varying degrees of physical expressions

XY chromosome normally should lead to a manly appearance,but during development accidents can happen and the dude may come out differently like the Algerian boxer.
This means chromosomes determine phenotype, but accidents can prevent full expression.
Lastly we have brain sex development. A foetus with XX chromosome produces more oestrogens,= development of female characteristics and also the brain is conditioned to see that person as females
Just like the reproductive organs can fail to recognize the hormones, the brain can also fail to recognize during development. This may lead to situations where a person becomes confused with his phenotype. Brain sex development is more confusing and complex.

An interesting take, honestly. Feel free to read only the last paragraph of this comment if you think my response is an epistle.

Mistakes, accidents, etc. These are the words you've chosen to describe someone who is different. That makes me wonder, who made this mistake? Nature? And who are we to tell nature that she has made a mistake when we were never the ones that told nature how it's done? Do you realize that you being born a male is also by chance (accident/mistake)? Do you realize that there are more chromosomes that XX and XY? Who gets to choose which one is a mistake and which is correct? Nature doesn't make mistakes, it's simply diverse. There's no aspect of nature that doesn't have exceptions; not even day and night is binary. It is, therefore, unnatural to think gender and sexuality would be. What you call normal is just a game of numbers. The higher the number of occurances, the more normal it seems. I have nothing against some words used to describe the minority, but let's agree never use that word "mistake" when describing the nature of anyone.

That said, the individual in question has a biological buildup that gives her an edge, I agree. However, that's the nature of sports. People use thier genes to thier advantage. We have men who have won medals because they had EPOR (a gene mutation that causes the creation of more red blood cells). Those female footballers that look like men have it in thier genes, but nobody cares mostly because it's not uncommon (agaon, game of numbers). This lady has the chromosomes XY, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's stronger than all the women that came for the competition. Her so-called advantage is not a guarantor of winning. Some of her competitors could be more muscular, taller and bigger. Should we send her home solely because this particular opponent could not deal with her? Highly debatable.

Nonetheless, none of these things we have talked about directly negates the point I was trying to make in my comment. I said that you can't be against her participation in female activities and, at the same time, be against her transitioning to a man. You have to take a stance. Would you support her if she decides to transition into a male body to match her chromosomes or are you saying that's she not a woman and cannot be a man?

Botragelad:

You keep repeating same nonsense and expect it to convince me or what!.

I'm guessing deep in your head you think it's just about XX or XY? XXY, XYY, or even Bleep? And what about mosaicism, where an individual has a mix of XX and XY cells?

Of course estrogen and progesterone are primarily female hormones, and for your information there are people with androgen insensitivity syndrome, who have XY chromosomes but develop female characteristics. And testosterone isn't just a "male hormone," it's present in both males and females, just in different levels. There are alsointersex individuals, who may have varying levels of hormones.

Visible organ is just the most basic aspect of sex determination. If we should go by that, what will you say about individuals who have undergone sex reassignment surgery?

With all you have mentioned, they are all still connected to genetics and sex genes inclusive, if you are insensitive to androgen or other male hormones, it will affect your sexual characteristics and therefore it's a defect or anomaly, and at diagnosis, such will be define as anomaly and your original gender will still be judged by the chromosomes you carry xy or xx.
And therapy can be introduced, you don't make a scanty or insignificant proportion or disease a standard, those are very rare cases of people suffering one form of disease or the other, it doesn't take away your sexual identity when push comes to shove.
There are acquired traits and hereditary traits ( traits through genetics)...So the only traits that is permanent and through which hereditary factors are passed from generation to generation is the gene! including sex genes for sex determination any other one is a counterfeit and temporary too e.g food may make you big for a while even if you don't have gene for bigness but when you don't have that privilege, you crumble (Acquired traits) but it has been programmed in elephant to be big for example food or not(hereditary/genetic traits/permanent traits) ...so the ultimate is genetics , it detemines permanently everything.. including sex of the baby.

brain54

Botragelad:

So what's the testerone level that sets the bar?
At what count?

If you are reasonable, you will do your research, there is a benchmark, an average testosterone level in female anything alarming above this average level is a red flag, it has been done severally, it's called gender test with some other details of course.


JuanDeDios

InvertedHammer:
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Intersex? Trans?

Justifying rubbish. Na oversabi dey worry una. Read plenty book come carry common sense throway.

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Ignoramus like you won't understand.

erniok:

She had a high testosterone level and that led to her initial disqualification. The question is: what changed this time that she was admitted.

Because the body that carried out the initial test are not the one in charge of the boxing 🥊 at Olympics currently, they had problems on their neck, so their files are suspended for now and any decision to see through the complexities will be after the Olympics, they can't make new law hurriedly when the tournament has already commenced.


Botragelad

PJtech:
That doesn't change the fact that she has XY chromosomes which makes her 'male'

Males should not be allowed to take part in women games

She's not a biological male.

Omoawoke:


Oh wow!!!

You think it’s an advantage?? Let me lecture you why it is even more of a disadvantage

Do you know the struggles people in her condition live with? Do you know she could have gone suicidal or depressed and never achieved anything in life. If anybody is advantaged, it is the others that grew up to live a normal life.

Despite all odds and her condition, she made herself useful and set the record that people can thrive even wit abnormalities

That was why she went emotional and was shedding tears

Your own lecture na owambe lecture, an aberration, someone is having an undue advantage in sports of having the characteristics that belong to male and she is using it and you are here talking philosophy, religion and what not ...tueh,! Talk science joor!


JuanDeDios

iamjavadem:
Most people just thought she is trans. But now their is proof she is not.

And what is transgender, if not normal female who are just feeling they should be in other gender they are not assigned at birth, intersex in other hand is even more devastating because you are actually carrying the biological factor of the male sex (in this case a female boxer) which is not acceptable and worse than transgender, transgender is just a small baby here to intersex.

Botragelad

GloriousGbola:


It is an extreme case of brain fart.

Can you imagine northern Nigeria fielding a trans athlete? That is the level of cognitive dissonance here.

Maybe next people will drop out of races because they are running long distance against biological Ethiopians. That Italian boxer is a punk bitch arse.

You are the ignorant one "intersex" gives you an advantage, if you are female sports as female, it's an anomaly, an undue advantage, and it's a defect not normal as I hinted.

Botragelad

Omoawoke:


I’m not off topic bro!

Maybe you should go and live in her shoes and know where it is pinching her. It is easy to say but when you experience it yourself, you will know the pains people like her went through all their lives. They lose self confidence and morale to carry on with life.

It's irrelevant, if you are growing with stuffs and that stuffs gives you and undue advantage in duty, that's not acceptable.
You can take of yourself and your emotions in other forms.


JuanDeDios

Lawag3:


So now males can have a vagina a uterus ovaries and get pregnant abi?


Because she can do all that.


There are men with the xx chromosome.


That doesn't make them women.

If we don't call them male outrightly, but the term intersex is enough, no intersex should compete in female sports after this Olympics, it gives undue advantage, afterall Caster Semanya 🇿🇦was prevented.

Pjtech

Rotji:
Ehen cos I was wondering how Algeria 🇩🇿 an Arab country would field a transgender in any event at all.

The lack of correct information on this issue has triggered lots of responses which were not necessary had it been people know.

This is to let you know how unfair it is to allow trans women to compete with biological women if Imane a born woman but with hormonal defects making her possess male hormones and some xtics can be too overbearing or overwhelming on women.

Remember she was denied participation in the India 🇮🇳 games few years ago cost her test details didn't fit the normal criteria for female competitors.

INTERSEX IS THE PROPER TERM.

yinkabeauty:


If we don't call them male outrightly, but the term intersex is enough, no intersex should compete in female sports after this Olympics, it gives undue advantage, afterall Caster Semanya 🇿🇦was prevented.

Pjtech

Extremely Tall people should not be allowed to take part in races and play basketball it gives undue advantage.


In the case of this lady I don't see the advantage. She's lost 9 fights won only 11 figths by Ko .

The women that beat her do they have two heads or that had their own advantage?

yinkabeauty:


You are the ignorant one "intersex" gives you an advantage, if you are female sports as female, it's an anomaly, an undue advantage, and it's a defect not normal as I hinted.

Botragelad

Is the argument that the lady is intersex or that she is trans?

being trans and born a man is the undeu advantage.

if you actually had any brain cells to rub together you would realise that this issue of female athletes with xy chromsones has been thrashed out before

Caster Semenya is an example

also this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_intersex_Olympians

the issue here , which has completely gone over the void where your brain should be is anti trans hysteria. the allegations flying around were that imane khelif is a biological man competing as a woman. now that it is clear that imane is a biological woman, all you noisemakers are scrambling and looking for something else to hide behind.

the person who made those allegations has since apologized , as she should have done.

Here is some more info from a reddit thread....I'll post the relevant post here.

Here is the link to the reddit post.

The short(ish) version is that she's a cis woman who been competing for years against other women, and there was no issue, including at the 2020 Olympics. Never any question of her gender or testosterone levels, no articles, no headlines, no commentary from her opponents, nothing. She doesn't even have a particularly stellar record, though she's been improving in recent years.

She was even tested at the 2022 World Championships and they didn't find any problems. She took the silver medal without incident.

Up until the 2023 World Championships - when she beat a Russian boxer.

Quick backstory on the IBA, the boxing organization that tested her and oversees the Boxing World Championships: it's been in contention with the IOC for years for issues of corruption and concerns over refereeing and judging, but things have gotten worse over the past few years. The IOC was concerned about the IBA's complete financial dependence on their sponsor: Russian-owned Gazprom. The IBA also elected a corrupt Russian president in 2020, and in 2022 they (wrongly) declared his re-election opponent ineligible, so he won an uncontested re-election. Multiple countries including the US and UK boycotted the 2023 World Championships because the IBA suspended Ukraine and un-suspended Russia and Belarus in 2022, against IOC guidelines. All of this ultimately resulted in the IOC severing ties with the IBA, which hasn't happened with any sport in decades. They bleeped up so bad that the IOC may drop boxing altogether; another organization has risen up and is attempting to replace the IBA in order to save boxing at the Olympics.

Anyway. Imane Khelif competes in the World Championships in 2022, undergoes testing, no eligibility issues, takes the silver medal. She competes in 2023, no eligibility issues. Gets to the Round of 16, beats a Russian boxer...suddenly, she gets tested again and based on the results of that test AND her test from 2022, they declared her ineligible.

The IBA never said what kind of test it was, just that it wasn't a testosterone test, nor did they explain the results, citing privacy. In an interview with Russian state-owned media, the Russian president of the IBA said that they did a DNA test and found that Khelif had XY chromosomes, but again...look at the source, the audience, the track record of corruption, the timing...

Plus, they did this test in 2022 and didn't have any issue with the results? They used the 2022 test as part of their basis for disqualifying her - even though they allowed her to compete in 2023, up until she beat a Russian athlete.

So there's no evidence that she has higher testosterone. She competed in the 2020 Olympics without incident, even when other female athletes with high testosterone were withdrawn. And the IBA didn't administer a testosterone test.

There's also no other information, testing, questions, or anything that she has talked about that would allude to any sort of chromosomal or hormonal difference. She identifies as a woman and always has.

People are diagnosing her with all kinds of conditions but there’s actually no evidence for any of it aside from one vague test that an extremely corrupt organization associated with Russia subjected her to when she beat a Russian athlete, the results of which were only discussed by the Russian president of the corrupt organization when he talked to Russian media.

Ashawoman82:
this is what I've missed in nairaland for a long time now, intelligent conversation and smart arguement, I've learnt a lot from this thread.

Me too.

Botragelad:

What's this human saying?
Mosaicism is the presence of two or more different cell populations within an individual, its not a mutation per se, call it a natural occurrence that can affect anyone. And, I might add, it's not necessarily a disorder, just tells you about the complexity of human biology.

I'm guessing, you're still stuck on hormones and visible sex organs, aren't you? I mentioned estrogen and progesterone to illustrate the nuances of sex determination, not to suggest they're the sole arbiters of gender. And, of course, testosterone is present in females, just as estrogen and progesterone are present in males. It's all about the delicate balance of these hormones.

As for other determinants of gender, I've mentioned chromosomal variations, hormonal influences, etc. But, I suppose, that's too much for you to grasp.
I don't know, but your argument, is a jumbled mess of nonsense!😂

You can't gaslight anyone with this your school drop-out knowledge of biology.
The mosaicism itself is preceded by mutation of the cells, so what are you saying!

And to your shi.t about cause of sex determination, what on earth will determine sex of a baby, if not sex chromosomes? the nonsense you mentioned chromosomal variation, hormonal influences and all your unmentionable nonsense ...are they not products of sex chromosomes?
And for your head, no change in somatic cells/chromosomes will determine the sex of a baby (except for asexual reproduction in plants e.g cassava and some pteridophytes, where you will cut the stem and replant to form a new plant and in some tape worms) but in mammals and even vertebrates, oh boy, sex chromosomes is the determinant of sex....and use your head i purposefully use sex and not gender because gender is used in social sphere to mean expression and how you identify but sex is biological, undeniable...and its the factor that determines sex of a baby.

brain54
GreatVocalist

Botragelad:

Why do you choose to focus on Turner syndrome which I only used as an example. Why not address the main issue?

Sex and gender, these two exist on spectrums, with variations in chromosomes, Instruments, hormones, whatever you think of. When you say "male" and "female" will you also say the only fruits are apple and orange.

I already said this. Yes, turner syndrome individuals are indeed female, and hermaphrodites(please call them intersex individuals), and they do not fit into your binary classification either. They may identify as male, female, or non-binary, depending on their biology and identity. How's that so confusing?

No matter what u explain the illiterates can't understand that's why we igbos just dey look them instead of Protesting with them
What we saw in 2011 na now dem dey catch glimpse of am,dem never even see am sef

Gwo gwo gwo ngwo

BALLOSKI:
She's not a biological male.

That babe na lesbian but due to the country she comes from fear now yo allow am declare am

Allah Akbar people no dey do gay rights oooo

PJtech:


It's complicated.. Her cases is so rare

Let's face it you don't know

GloriousGbola:


Is the argument that the lady is intersex or that she is trans?

being trans and born a man is the undeu advantage.

if you actually had any brain cells to rub together you would realise that this issue of female athletes with xy chromsones has been thrashed out before

Caster Semenya is an example

also this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_intersex_Olympians

the issue here , which has completely gone over the void where your brain should be is anti trans hysteria. the allegations flying around were that imane khelif is a biological man competing as a woman. now that it is clear that imane is a biological woman, all you noisemakers are scrambling and looking for something else to hide behind.

the person who made those allegations has since apologized , as she should have done.

Your ignorance and foolishness is amplified by your dead brain 🧠 cells and you are a progress in error towards darkness, outside the light.

No sensible and enlightened person will attach transgender to sports because there is no place for such, only if you know what transgender means , which is mainly about how you feel or how you want to be identified...so a male will just wake up and in some few weeks to sports events and claims he identifies as female just so that he can claim all the glory and fortunes, who does that!? who is going to accept you just come into female sports and say you feel like a female...you can feel anyhow you want but you can't proceed without gender tests.

For the enlightened ones this issue is not about sexual orientation or how you feel like identifying (transgender), those are allowed as long as you don't have a undue biological advantage over others a situation that is only associated with intersex people in their category/sports.

The key target here has been INTERSEX, which is a situation in which one possess both male and female characteristics, in the case of female sports, the famale has male characteristics due to his genetic 🧬 , which is an anomaly and an undue advantage.
So the authority will carry out gender tests to screen these athletes, infact the Algerian boxer in question failed and another Asian failed the test , but those who carried out the test on them are having problems of corruption , so they are not the ones handling the boxing 🥊 events in this Olympics, there will a be a review on the gender case after the Olympics,

So to clarify your small head, lesbianism, transgender (mere feeling), and co are not issues as long as you are NOT INTERSEX, INTERSEX IS where the controversy lies because some women carry male biological factors, an anomaly which gives them undue advantage in sports.

But what brings confusion is the MISUSE OF TERMS, rather than using the proper terms "intersex",
"transgender" is what people shout about because of their ignorance, they don't know which is which.
INTERSEX has always been the cause of controversy, Caster Semanya of South Africa 🇿🇦 was also prevented as a result of her " intersex status" , I knew all this , iam a Sports guru with a first degree in Cell Biology and Genetics 🧬, so all this nonsense link, you ignorant one is just sending , i have gone through them in the past.

yinkabeauty:


Your ignorance and foolishness is amplified by your dead brain 🧠 cells and you are a progress in error towards darkness, outside the light.

No sensible and enlightened person will attach transgender to sports because there is no place for such, only if you know what transgender means , which is mainly about how you feel or how you want to be identified...so a male will just wake up and in some few weeks to sports events and claims he identifies as female just so that he can claim all the glory and fortunes, who does that!? who is going to accept you just come into female sports and say you feel like a female...you can feel anyhow you want but you can't proceed without gender tests.

For the enlightened ones this issue is not about sexual orientation or how you feel like identifying (transgender), those are allowed as long as you don't have a undue biological advantage over others a situation that is only associated with intersex people in their category/sports.

The key target here has been INTERSEX, which is a situation in which one possess both male and female characteristics, in the case of female sports, the famale has male characteristics due to his genetic 🧬 , which is an anomaly and an undue advantage.
So the authority will carry out gender tests to screen these athletes, infact the Algerian boxer in question failed and another Asian failed the test , but those who carried out the test on them are having problems of corruption , so they are not the ones handling the boxing 🥊 events in this Olympics, there will a be a review on the gender case after the Olympics,

So to clarify your small head, lesbianism, transgender (mere feeling), and co are not issues as long as you are NOT INTERSEX, INTERSEX IS where the controversy lies because some women carry male biological factors, an anomaly which gives them undue advantage in sports.

But what brings confusion is the MISUSE OF TERMS, rather than using the proper terms "intersex",
"transgender" is what people shout about because of their ignorance, they don't know which is which.
INTERSEX has always been the cause of controversy, Caster Semanya of South Africa 🇿🇦 was also prevented as a result of her " intersex status" , I knew all this , iam a Sports guru with a first degree in Cell Biology and Genetics 🧬, so all this nonsense link, you ignorant one is just sending , i have gone through them in the past.

Mr sports guru, what is the name of the thread? What is the name of the other thread on this matter?

What has been the issue discussed in social media?

Is this the first Olympics with an intersex athlete?

You are so desperate to let everyone know that you allegedly have a masters in cell biology that you cannot see the forest for the trees. An educated nincompoop.

In the past few years there has been hysteria about transsexuals. Even more so because today there are repeated cases of unsuccessful male athletes transitioning to women and competing in women's sports. No one has figured out how to handle this

There was an attempt to paint this as a similar case.

It is in black and white but your obsession with regaling us with your obscure cellular biology degree and your need for fifteen minutes in the limelight as a pontificatibg 'expert' has you wasting everyone's time.

People with far more experience and knowledge than you have already decided that imane is eligible to compete.

The sore loser has been called to order and has apologized.

Instead of wasting everybodys time blowing your trumpet take your inane, long winded and ultimately irrelevant arguments to the Olympic Committee who have already used the wisdom and sense and experience which you so clearly lack and decided that imane was eligible to compete.

Nonsense and noisemaking.

The imane lady has been defeated numerous times before by biological women and so cannot be accused on having any unnatural advantage.

It is just unfortunate she sparred with an opponent who was weak both mentally and physically and a disgrace to competitive sports.

Not much difference between you and Angela Carini, all considered. weak minded unable to rise to the occasion and quick to start capping.

Lawag3:



Extremely Tall people should not be allowed to take part in races and play basketball it gives undue advantage.


In the case of this lady I don't see the advantage. She's lost 9 fights won only 11 figths by Ko .

The women that beat her do they have two heads or that had their own advantage?

That's not an accurate analogy... extremely tall people are not suffering from genetic issues, that's a direct inheritance from their parents and are not taking factors meant for the opposite sex.
If you have your natural attribute that is not an import of a genetic problem, so be it.

In boxing 🥊, there are feather weight, light weight, heavy weight. why don't they put them in the same category even though the to be competitors are of the same age and gender, if not for different attributes, a combat sports for that matter, and those ones are not even intersex ooo.
It doesn't matter if she had lost some of her fights, and chooses the fight to win or lose, the matter is about fairness across board.
A football ⚽ team is not judged by where they are on the table, mid table which suggest they have lost some matches , then you avoid sanction due against them if there is need to just because they have lost some of their matches, so issue of perfomance enhancing drug wouldn't stand against such team!?
I am not personal about this particular lady but there should be fairness across board, afterall Caster Semanya of South Africa 🇿🇦 was prevented.

yinkabeauty:


You can't gaslight anyone with this your school drop-out knowledge of biology.
The mosaicism itself is preceded by mutation of the cells, so what are you saying!

And to your shi.t about cause of sex determination, what on earth will determine sex of a baby, if not sex chromosomes? the nonsense you mentioned chromosomal variation, hormonal influences and all your unmentionable nonsense ...are they not products of sex chromosomes?
And for your head, no change in somatic cells/chromosomes will determine the sex of a baby (except for asexual reproduction in plants e.g cassava and some pteridophytes, where you will cut the stem and replant to form a new plant and in some tape worms) but in mammals and even vertebrates, oh boy, sex chromosomes is the determinant of sex....and use your head i purposefully use sex and not gender because gender is used in social sphere to mean expression and how you identify but sex is biological, undeniable...and its the factor that determines sex of a baby.

brain54

I didn't want to argue with him any further...

Cause his mind was made on what he believes.

And he is rude.

I like to learn new things here.


It's good to see even a few people who are intelligent here.

And I liked the way you expressed yourself clearly.

You are bright.

Impressed!

she is not supposed to fight or contest with ladies!she isnt a natural woman!!