coogar:

hahahaha, the facts are emerging...

rooney has played 345 games to van persie's 232 games and somehow people are surprised rooney has more goals/assists than RVP. 113 games more than van persie and people are comparing?

this argument is hilarious!

The difference is that one is a sitting 9 while the other is a workaholic organizing/coordinating 10.

Maradonna was a number 10, it wasn't goals that made him greatest but contribution to team play. Siasia and Onwubokiri were prolific scorers but Amokackie and Adepoju with far less goals were preferred. Whenever Amokachie was off, Yekini was dry and the pressure against opponents less.

BinghiNya: RVP scored more than Roooney this season because he played more matches, so your point is flawed too.

how's it flawed?
when rooney has led the line and played plenty of games, what did he show for it? he's been here for 9 seasons and he's got no golden boot either in europe or in the premier league.

9 seasons of failure!
you are comparing rooney's games that are less than 12 than van persie's to the overall stats? rooney's fans should be ashamed of themselves!

RVP has 122 goals in 232 games
that's 0.52 goals per game

rooney has 156 games in 345 games
that's 0.45 goals per game

rooney is shyte!

elampiro:
The difference is that one is a sitting 9 while the other is a workaholic organizing/coordinating 10.

Maradonna was a number 10, it wasn't goals that made him greatest but contribution to team play. Siasia and Onwubokiri were prolific scorers but Amokackie and Adepoju with far less goals were preferred. Whenever Amokachie was off, Yekini was dry and the pressure against opponents less.

RVP started as a winger at arsenal.
when henry left, he operated as a number 10 behind adebayor, bendtner and eduardo. it wasn't until the 2nd half of 10/11 season that he started playing as the arrow head. get your facts right!

rooney was the arrow head in 06/07, 07/08, 08/09, 09/10, 2nd half of 10/11 and 11/12. that's 6.5 seasons of playing as a striker and doing nothing with his role. stop peddling myths here in the name of trying to win an argument. rooney is a product of a british hype!

Rooney most be paying some of his astronomic wages to certain fans to keep his "white Pele" hype going come what may.

coogar:

hahahaha, the facts are emerging...

rooney has played 345 games to van persie's 232 games and somehow people are surprised rooney has more goals/assists than RVP. 113 games more than van persie and people are comparing?

this argument is hilarious!

To be candid here, Rooney is not a fantastic player like that jare, he supports, and does some nice work in the mid-field, but he isn't near a world class player (for now), he's been awful and he also looses possession anyhow, lastly, he is an ingrate. I wouldn't mind his exit so we can have a new/superb united squad.

Forgot to 'good day' gents in here, pardon me.

Up Manchester united.

Look at Brazil vs Mexico.

Even if Chicha scores tonight, the number 10 man Dos Santos is the Mexican man tonight. His contribution is ten times more than Chicharito.

That's how to know what certain players contribute to team play.

coogar:

how did ronaldo score 42 goals from the flank in one season?

The guy must have been in ghost mode

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elampiro: Look at Brazil vs Mexico.

Even if Chicha scores tonight, the number 10 man Dos Santos is the Mexican man tonight. His contribution is ten times more than Chicharito.

That's how to know what certain players contribute to team play.

And that did give them the result they wanted?

Results are needed here and not contributions, mind you.

nitrogen:


To be candid here, Rooney is not a fantastic player like that jare, he supports, and does some nice work in the mid-field, but he isn't near a world class player (for now), he's been awful and he also looses possession anyhow, lastly, he is an ingrate. I wouldn't mind his exit so we can have a new/superb united squad.

If Rooney exits, without quality replacement like Fabregas or Aguero types, we will end up in the Totteham zone. We may even need two or three strong players to feel the vacuum to be left by his exit.

nitrogen:


To be candid here, Rooney is not a fantastic player like that jare, he supports, and does some nice work in the mid-field, but he isn't near a world class player (for now), he's been awful and he also looses possession anyhow, lastly, he is an ingrate. I wouldn't mind his exit so we can have a new/superb united squad.

don't mind the rooney apologists.....
i dunno when it's become cool to rate a striker for his defensive qualities. legendary strikers are hyped for their prolific way of scoring goals - but rooney's apologists would keep bringing up nonsense facts that are not worthy of discussion....

this is the overall stat(all comp) of RVP and rooney....
the difference is glaring!!

nitrogen:
And that did give them the result they wanted?

Results are needed here and not contributions, mind you.

Without such guys inbox sitting players as Chicha won't touch ball in 90 minutes. So how would they have even won a penalty the last match?

elampiro:
If Rooney exits, without quality replacement like Fabregas or Aguero types, we will end up in the Totteham zone. We may even need two or three strong players to feel the vacuum to be left by his exit.

we heard the same thing when ruud left....
heard the same thing when ronaldo left, beckham? cantona and even roy keane!!! united would tick on nicely if rooney leaves. we won nearly all the league games we played without him last season.

in hernandez, i trust!

coogar:

don't mind the rooney apologists.....
i dunno when it's become cool to rate a striker for his defensive qualities. legendary strikers are hyped for their prolific way of scoring goals - but rooney's apologists would keep bringing up nonsense facts that are not worthy of discussion....

this is the overall stat(all comp) of RVP and rooney....
the difference is glaring!!

Same mistake over and over again. Hw can you use goals to compare a workaholic coordinating 10 to a sitting point 9? Like comparing Maradonna to Platini/Ronaldo Lima. It's odd!

elampiro:
Same mistake over and over again. Hw can you use goals to compare a workaholic coordinating 10 to a sitting point 9? Like comparing Maradonna to Platini/Ronaldo Lima. It's odd!

that's a lame excuse - rooney was the arrowhead for 6.5 seasons out of 9 seasons. when ruud left, it was saha/rooney in the striking role in 06/07. then it was tevez/rooney in 07/08. why didn't he score 40 goals in those seasons?

156 goals + 79 assists in 26,000+ mins is a disgrace!!!

coogar:

we heard the same thing when ruud left....
heard the same thing when ronaldo left, beckham? cantona and even roy keane!!! united would tick on nicely if rooney leaves. we won nearly all the league games we played without him last season.

in hernandez, i trust!

Rooney is more a difficult player to replace than Becham, Kean and Cantona. Rooney has a multiple function for United. He is the most all round player United has had in recent history.

elampiro:
Rooney is more a difficult player to replace than Becham, Kean and Cantona. Rooney has a multiple function for United.

RVP, kagawa, anderson would replace rooney without stress. valencia of wigan replaced ronaldo easily. who is rooney?

elampiro:

If Rooney exits, without quality replacement like Fabregas or Aguero types, we will end up in the Totteham zone. We may even need two or three strong players to feel the vacuum to be left by his exit.

You are right, but not up to three players to fill the vacuum, even one will do sef.

Btw, na SAF Zap up, he built the team around him, made him to play in the mid-field esp. when we were in need of midfielders and he never did bring any in. Thank God he is gone, we need Giggs, Valencia(or just one year more for the one legged and non-creative lad) and Rooney to follow suit. Then Moyes should bring in one or two players, and we are good to go.

Give United two years (without Rooney and with Moyes getting it right), we will be champions of Europe once again!

coogar:

that's a lame excuse - rooney was the arrowhead for 6.5 seasons out of 9 seasons. when ruud left, it was saha/rooney in the striking role in 06/07. then it was tevez/rooney in 07/08. why didn't he score 40 goals in those seasons?

156 goals + 79 assists in 26,000+ mins is a disgrace!!!

See lies ooohhh!!!

Rooney only spearheaded our attack in just one season 2009/10. It was Nilsterooy, Folan, Saha, Tevev and Berbatov. Then Chicharito and RVP.

elampiro:

If Rooney exits, without quality replacement like Fabregas or Aguero types, we will end up in the Totteham zone. We may even need two or three strong players to feel the vacuum to be left by his exit.

bros... E don do!! U're alws talking about rooney's achievements. If na by achievements, we wldnt hav sold nistelrooy. In football, u dwell on d present. And what's d present situation with rooney?? He is an over-paid fat cat dt nids to be called to order...either by telling him to up his performances, or by showing him d exit door. Pls dnt talk about rooney performing below his high standards, and him being betta dan sme oda pple despite this. Ts very annoying. U may argue dt rooney still merits anoda chance to rediscover his old form, bt pls stop creating d impression dt rooney is man utd!!A player's form has dropped, and he still has d guts to submit a transfer request?? Wot an insult!! Hw i wish he only had a yr left on his contract. He wld hav deserved to benched thru out dt yr, b4 being released/thrown out!!

elampiro:
See lies ooohhh!!!

Rooney only spearheaded our attack in just one season 2009/10. It was Nilsterooy, Folan, Saha, Tevev and Berbatov. Then Chicharito and RVP.

how many games did saha play for united? what a liar you are. was saha ever fit? tevez? berbatov? hehehe. if you take a lie detector test, it would explode!!!

nitrogen:
You are right, but not up to three players to fill the vacuum, even one will do sef.

Btw, na SAF Zap up, he built the team around him, made him to play in the mid-field esp. when we were in need of midfielders and he never did bring any in. Thank God he is gone, we need Giggs, Valencia(or just one year more for the one legged and non-creative lad) and Rooney to follow suit. Then Moyes should bring in one or two players, and we are good to go.

Give United two years (without Rooney and with Moyes getting it right), we will be champions of Europe once again!

I guess with Chicharito who can't play except sit and wait in the box as we saw tonight when he hardly touch the ball up to 7 times? And indomie Kagawa who can't match a power or pacing match?

coogar:

how many games did saha play for united? what a liar you are. was saha ever fit? tevez? berbatov? hehehe. if you take a lie detector test, it would explode!!!

Ajigbojigbijigbi. Nilstelroy, Saha, Folan, Tevez, Berba, Chicha and RVP are our number 9s in the past 10 years. That's all.

elampiro:
I guess with Chicharito who can't play except sit and wait in the box as we saw tonight when he hardly touch the ball up to 7 times? And indomie Kagawa who can't match a power or pacing match?

that's his job....
he's a striker, he's meant to wait for the delivery and score. inzaghi, ruud, raul, etc became legends scoring that way. why should chicharito worry about the midfield?

rooney is a jack of all trade - master of nada!!!

elampiro:
Ajigbojigbijigbi. Nilstelroy, Saha, Folan, Tevez, Berba, Chicha and RVP are our number 9s in the past 10 years. That's all.

there's no number 9 in a 4-4-2 formation!
united stopped playing rigid 4-4-2 in 09/10 and rooney was the arrow head that season - so you have no point!

below is the formation of the final in moscow - elampiro should work out how rooney wasn't the arrow head and tevez was!

dademola: bros... E don do!! U're alws talking about rooney's achievements. If na by achievements, we wldnt hav sold nistelrooy. In football, u dwell on d present. And what's d present situation with rooney?? He is an over-paid fat cat dt nids to be called to order...either by telling him to up his performances, or by showing him d exit door. Pls dnt talk about rooney performing below his high standards, and him being betta dan sme oda pple despite this. Ts very annoying. U may argue dt rooney still merits anoda chance to rediscover his old form, bt pls stop creating d impression dt rooney is man utd!!A player's form has dropped, and he still has d guts to submit a transfer request?? Wot an insult!! Hw i wish he only had a yr left on his contract. He wld hav deserved to benched thru out dt yr, b4 being released/thrown out!!

A deep playing forward came up with 12 goals and 12 assist and you call him fat? He has no problem with form and fitness 'cos his goals for Egland are increasing than ever before. It was the decision of SAF to use him to prevent shame in our midfield that changed his game a little. If RVP was used same way he would have ended up in the Kagawa total flop zone. We only need to appreciate Rooney from saving the club from shame and for adapting well.

coogar:

that's his job....
he's a striker, he's meant to wait for the delivery and score. inzaghi, ruud, raul, etc became legends scoring that way. why should chicharito worry about the midfield?

rooney is a jack of all trade - master of nada!!!



there's no number 9 in a 4-4-2 formation!
united stopped playing rigid 4-4-2 in 09/10 and rooney was the arrow head that season - so you have no point!

SAF has only adopted a 4-4-2 formation in a few matches in the last decade. Even in a 4.4.2 formation, one striker stays up while another drops to build attack.

elampiro:

I guess with Chicharito who can't play except sit and wait in the box as we saw tonight when he hardly touch the ball up to 7 times? And indomie Kagawa who can't match a power or pacing match?

You just watch as events unfold, Kagawa is a newbie, watch out for him this new season, van-persie will do a great job, Nani will destroy/tear apart any defence, I believe Welbeck too is deadly (he just gat to improve his finishing touches), Chicharito will bury anything that resembles a football, we only need one or two nice midfielders that will support Carrick, while Anderson will do well too with his pace, power and long passes, Cleverly is a fantastic player too (although not that skillful).

Bros, forget, we have good players, abeg, 'Soilder come, Soilder go, Barrack go still remain o'. Let the traitor disappear. We are tired of him joor.

elampiro:
SAF has only adopted a 4-4-2 formation in a few matches in the last decade. Even in a 4.4.2 formation, one striker stays up while another drops to build attack.

that's a big lie.....
united played 4-4-2 mostly in the last decade. there were cries from the fans that united are the only big team left in europe still obsessed with the obsolete 4-4-2. why do you think we play traditional wingers instead of inverted ones like most clubs do?

elampiro:

A deep playing forward came up with 12 goals and 12 assist and you call him fat? He has no problem with form and fitness 'cos his goals for Egland are increasing than ever before. It was the decision of SAF to use him to prevent shame in our midfield that changed his game a little. If RVP was used same way he would have ended up in the Kagawa total flop zone. We only need to appreciate Rooney from saving the club from shame and for adapting well.

baba, forget position here joor. Wen he was scoring freely, wasnt he still considered to be a deep lying forward?? 12 goals and 12 assists?? Not too bad, bt wen u consider d fact dt d same playr has performed betta dan dt b4, u hav no choice bt to start asking questions. Hw can u say rooney's form is still d same as b4??

dademola: baba, forget position here joor. Wen he was scoring freely, wasnt he still considered to be a deep lying forward?? 12 goals and 12 assists?? Not too bad, bt wen u consider d fact dt d same playr has performed betta dan dt b4, u hav no choice bt to start asking questions. Hw can u say rooney's form is still d same as b4??

rooney is finished!
his bottom level as a player is the worst ever. when he's not in form, rooney can't make a pass from 2 yards. he has the first touch of a räpist! his ball control is substandard! he no longer has the pace. abeg, offload the parasite and sign a hungry striker!

I hear una. Most of these players you guys are listing will still leave Rooney at United should he decides to stay. You guys can even claim Iniester is finished because he didn't score this season.

Rooney goal form for England is at its peak now, yet United fans are trying to bash him. Anyway, the people who know this game more than us are working hard to keep him at 250K salary. Beckham, Kean and the rest were easily shipped away.

I have made my point, that's all.

Later person go say he no see Kagawa o.

Abi the Italian team is not strong and physical enough