Nihilist:

Vidal was dribbled more times than Toure.
That is a statistical fact.

And Set Piece taking is a very important skill. Why is Vidal not taking freekicks?

perhaps because vidal has pirlo. if pirlo were to be in man city, toure would take the back seat.

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vidal took toure to the cleaners in the stats that matter.

coogar:

perhaps because vidal has pirlo. if pirlo were to be in man city, toure would take the back seat.

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vidal took toure to the cleaners in the stats that matter.

Oh really?

Post the full squawka comparison matrix including the overall scores


Vidal's overall performance rating from Sqwaka(The website Coogar referenced above) is 540

Toure's is 1380


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Nihilist:

Oh really?

Post the full squawka comparison matrix including the overall scores


Vidal's overall performance rating from Sqwaka(The website Coogar referenced above) is 540

Toure's is 1380

Abegiiiiiiii

like i said, toure's stat got boosted by 6 goals scored from penalty & 4 from free-kicks.

what if aguero was fit all season, would toure get a free-pass to kick penalties? come on now, toure's stats was an anomaly.

the fact that vidal created more chances & more key passes tell me he's better than toure. he had less minutes on the pitch as well.

Nihilist:

Vidal was dribbled more times than Toure.
That is a statistical fact.

And Set Piece taking is a very important skill. Why is Vidal not taking freekicks?

Vidal being dribbled more times than Toure is an indication of how committed he was defensively.He is the one responsible for shielding Pirlo in the 3-5-2.Unlike Toure who has Fernandinho or Javi Garcia covering his lazy arss.Yaya was effectively a CAM last season, which is what makes Vidal's stats all the more impressive.

pkasso: Vidal being dribbled more times than Toure is an indication of how committed he was defensively.He is the one responsible for shielding Pirlo in the 3-5-2.Unlike Toure who has Fernandinho or Javi Garcia covering his lazy arss.Yaya was effectively a CAM last season, which is why Vidal stats looks the more impressive.

Nonsense.

Ramsey must have been a CAM copping all those goals from the Arsenal Pivot.

Juve played a double Pivot ahead of a regista. Man City largely played a 442 similar to United.

Toure was 1 half of a 2 man central midfield, Vidal was one third of a 3 man unit

Yet Toure beasted the EPL like he had 666 stamped on his forehead.

He was even forced to play with Dimichelis in midfield

Tell me again about 'lazy' Toure.

coogar:

like i said, toure's stat got boosted by 6 goals scored from penalty & 4 from free-kicks.

what if aguero was fit all season, would toure get a free-pass to kick penalties? come on now, toure's stats was an anomaly.

the fact that vidal created more chances & more key passes tell me he's better than toure. he had less minutes on the pitch as well.

You make it seem like taking pens is the easiest thing in the world. If it was, then teams won't have dedicated penalty takers.

Penalties are difficult, ask Van Gaal whose players blatantly refused to take pens against Argentina

Freekicks are even harder, yet you lot keep trying to discount them. How many free kick specialists are even in the EPL at the moment?

coogar:

you are a consummate rogue!
sturridge appeared 26 times & played 26 league games in the CF position.

didn't you also tell us sturridge never featured with coutinho & sterling on the pitch? you lie every hour of the day. what are you?

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* You are a rogue, liar. When did I tell you that Asturridge never featured with Coutinho and Sterling? Pls pay attention to details.

* I maintain my stance, Suarez played in the centre forward. In most of the matches it was even Sturridge drifting wide to try his tricks. Again do you realize Suarez didn't even start the season? He missed 5 matches. That mean Suarez could possibly have played maximum of 21 matches together with Suarez. Yet you want to make us believe. Suarez played in the wing. Thank God for whoscored.

Arturo Vidal is the best central midfielder on the planet.Only a fit and healthy Bastian Schweinsteiger is better than this man.Only EPL fanboys with no knowledge of european football will claim Toure is better.Arturo Vidal is better defensively and the only criterion where Toure edges him is goals.Even then Vidal has a consistent goal-scoring record, hitting double figures in the last 4 season.Yaya has one fluke season and scores loads of freekicks and pks and he is the best? Let Yaya prove he is not a one-season wonder by repeating the feat this season and then we can start to compare.

debosky: Elampiro is full of BS as usual - Liverpool played TWO strikers - there was no 'dominant' centre forward. This is what Brendan Rogers said:

"What I've found is that if I play one up top and one wide, I take a little bit away from them. They work better as a proper front two.
"In Suarez and Sturridge, I've got what I call two 'nine-and-a-halves'.
"They both like to move, they like to drift and they both like to go into the half-positions in between the lines.
"You've got two great players as your front two and then you build the structure around that.
"I'm not the traditional 4-4-2 man and with the players we've got we can make this system work.

But no - Elampiro knows more than the coach fielding the players. Mumu.

Are you an illiterate that you cannot understand this is what I have been saying since. That Suarez was a striker, but Coogar said he was a winger- number 7 like Valencia. Ukwu!!!

Anyway thanks for the confirmation. But if I may add, do you realize that Suarez and Sturridge played about 17 matches apart?

For empasis sake, the argument is that Suarez scored his goals which put him as the best striker in Europe, as a number 9. But Coogar said it was from the wing.

Thank you again for the clarification.










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elampiro:

Are you an illiterate that you cannot understand this is what I have been saying since. That Suarez was a striker, but Coogar said he was a winger- number 7 like Valencia. Ukwu!!!

Anyway thanks for the confirmation. But if I may add, do you realize that Suarez and Sturridge played about 17 matches apart?

For empasis sake, the argument is that Suarez scored his goals which put him as the best striker in Europe, as a number 9. But Coogar said it was from the wing.

Thank you again for the clarification.










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Injury to Sturridge and suspension to Suarez are responsible for a good number of those 17 games last season.
It isnot like Brendan rodgers decided to sit either of the two.

pkasso: Arturo Vidal is the best central midfielder on the planet.Only a fit and healthy Bastian Schweinsteiger is better than this man.Only EPL fanboys with no knowledge of european football will claim Toure is better.Arturo Vidal is better defensively and the only criterion where Toure edges him is goals.Even then Vidal has a consistent goal-scoring record, hitting double figures in the last 4 season.Yaya has one fluke season and scores loads of freekicks and pks and he is the best? Let Yaya prove he is not a one-season wonder by repeating the feat this season and then we can start to compare.

So you've gone from claiming that Yaya was an AM to labelling us EPL fanboys?

Without a shadow of doubt, the EPL is the most competitive league in the world at the moment, while the Serie A has been regressing faster than Benjamin Button.

Who is to say that Yaya won't have equally beasted in the current Juve setup? Infact the stats suggest he clearly would.

Vidal is a great midfielder don't get me wrong...but 'clearly' better than Yaya? Hell no.

Vidal is a very good player, better than Yaya Toure? I dont think so.
Toure plays most times in midfield and has the licence and the ability to make attacking forays and score goals. He is also a very good free kick taker with a very impressive passing range for someone of his size and physicality.
Right now i would rate toure ahead of vidal.
Vidal plays alongside Pirlo and Pogba in midfield........surely they share the burden with him.
Fernandinho does not compare to those boys, gareth barry is mediocre and d less said abt garcia the better

StarBoard:
Injury to Sturridge and suspension to Suarez are responsible for a good number of those 17 games last season.
It isnot like Brendan rodgers decided to sit either of the two.

I know. I was only still trying to emphasize Suarez didn't play in the wing. Already we are seeing situation where either of them played as a solo striker. I also remember few occasions I saw Coutinho started and I wondered why it wasn't Sturridge. I think Sterling was always there.

Nihilist:
Nonsense.
Ramsey must have been a CAM copping all those goals from the Arsenal Pivot.
Juve played a double Pivot ahead of a regista. Man City largely played a 442 similar to United.
Toure was 1 half of a 2 man central midfield, Vidal was one third of a 3 man unit
Yet Toure beasted the EPL like he had 666 stamped on his forehead.
He was even forced to play with Dimichelis in midfield
Tell me again about 'lazy' Toure.

Most of Ramsey's goals were as a result of making late runs into the final third.Toure was definitely an attacking midfielder in a basic 442 formation.He was given the license to roam forward with Fernandinho doing the dirty job.He was a liability when City were pressing and would only make half-hearted challenges.




Beasting the EPL? Loool! More like bullying the smaller sides.Go and take a look at his stats against the sides that finished in the top 5 in the EPL.He went missing in virtually all of City's big games.He was sonned by Matic at the Etihad!

elampiro:
* You are a rogue, liar. When did I tell you that sturridge never featured with Coutinho and Sterling? Pls pay attention to details.

who wrote this?
https://www.nairaland.com/871307/official-manchester-united-fan-thread/838#25320519

elampiro:
Stop lying, you didn't follow Liverpool games.
*Suarez did not start the season. Liverpool played Sturridge.
* Sturridge did not play games when Courtingo, Sterling and Suarez became regular.
* Suarez was Liverpool striker, and not a winger.

you are a bloody liar.
if i earn a pesewa for each time slippery lies have fallen outta your mouth, i would be twice as rich as bill gates.

* I maintain my stance, Suarez played in the centre forward. In most of the matches it was even Sturridge drifting wide to try his tricks. Again do you realize Suarez didn't even start the season? He missed 5 matches. That mean Suarez could possibly have played maximum of 21 matches together with Suarez. Yet you want to make us believe. Suarez played in the wing. Thank God for whoscored.

sturridge played as a centre forward each time he started. injury kept sturridge out of the squad each time he didn't start. stop lying to us here.

after telling us the forward line is fluid, you are now saying suarez was the centre forward. if the front 3 is fluid, how does that make suarez the composite centre forward?

elampiro, lying to the public since 1856

Nihilist:
You make it seem like taking pens is the easiest thing in the world. If it was, then teams won't have dedicated penalty takers.
Penalties are difficult, ask Van Gaal whose players blatantly refused to take pens against Argentina
Freekicks are even harder, yet you lot keep trying to discount them. How many free kick specialists are even in the EPL at the moment?

so who's more likely to score more goals in this scenario:

player A that has 80% assurance of scoring any penalty kick but he's not the number one penalty taker for his club.

player B that has 80% assurance of scoring penalty kick and he's the number one penalty taker for his club.

answers on a postcard, please......

Nowadays everyone thinks labeling people who say EPL Player X is better than La Liga/Serie A Player Y "EPL fanboys" makes them look enlightened... This moronic train of thought needs to be addressed ASAP.

Yaya Toure > Arturo Vidal

coogar:

who wrote this?


you are a bloody liar.
if i earn a pesewa for each time slippery lies have fallen outta your mouth, i would be twice as rich as bill gates

damn!!!

Nihilist:

So you've gone from claiming that Yaya was an AM to labelling us EPL fanboys?

Without a shadow of doubt, the EPL is the most competitive league in the world at the moment, while the Serie A has been regressing faster than Benjamin Button.

Who is to say that Yaya won't have equally beasted in the current Juve setup? Infact the stats suggest he clearly would.

Vidal is a great midfielder don't get me wrong...but 'clearly' better than Yaya? Hell no.

Arturo Vidal, despite playing deeper has more goals than Yaya Toure in Europe in the last two seasons! Vidal was the highest goalscorer with 5 goals in 5 games in a team that had Carlos Tevez and Fernando Llorente leading the line.He was the only midfielder to score a hattrick in last season's UCL.Yaya T was ra.ped by all and sundry in Europe last season.Lahm and Schweini were taking turns to dissect him.The same Toure was a passenger when he came up against Xavi and Iniesta.He's nothing but a flat-track bully!

pkasso: Arturo Vidal, despite playing deeper has more goals than Yaya Toure in Europe in the last two seasons! Vidal was the highest goalscorer with 5 goals in 5 games in a team that had Carlos Tevez and Fernando Llorente leading the line.He was the only midfielder to score a hattrick in last season's UCL.Yaya T was ra.ped by all and sundry in Europe last season.Lahm and Schweini were taking turns to dissect him.The same Toure was a passenger when he came up against Xavi and Iniesta.He's nothing but a flat-track bully!

I'm sure when you composed this post in your mind, you had some hidden gem of perspicacity to share. I regret to inform you that you have sadly omitted it.

Toure and Ramsey played the same position last year. Silva/Nasri were the creative forces for City last season.

Infact during the 1st leg of Barca game, I remember Dahdemola expressing his appreciation of Silva's control of City's attacking movement from a position on the left flank.

The Chelsea game saw Toure paired with freaking Demichelis in the middle of the park. How was he expected to perform in tandem with that Whale? I remember Coogar was delighted when he saw the teamsheet and correctly predicted that Luiz-Matic-Ramires combo would destroy the city midfield

Abeg come correct with your arguments or go home. I'm all for explosive debates, but your submissions lack substance...

Vertonghen

SMH!

Nihilist:

I'm sure when you composed this post in your mind, you had some hidden gem of perspicacity to share. I regret to inform you that you have sadly omitted it.

Toure and Ramsey played the same position last year. Silva/Nasri were the creative forces for City last season.

Infact during the 1st leg of Barca game, I remember Dahdemola expressing his appreciation of Silva's control of City's attacking movement from a position on the left flank.

The Chelsea game saw Toure paired with freaking Demichelis in the middle of the park. How was he expected to perform in tandem with that Whale? I remember Coogar was delighted when he saw the teamsheet and correctly predicted that Luiz-Matic-Ramires combo would destroy the city midfield

Abeg come correct with your arguments or go home. I'm all for explosive debates, but your submissions lack substance...

except that toure gets the license to bomb forward and cause mayhem for the opposition. that's actually city's go-to method when they want to close shop. garcia will join fernandinho & toure would play directly behind a centre forward.

on top of all that, toure had the bonus of 6 penalty kicks & 4 awoof free-kicks. are you saying vidal wouldn't have scored 6 penalty kicks if given the opportunity? if he had, do you know how many goals he would have had?

ritchboy: Nowadays everyone thinks labeling people who say EPL Player X is better than La Liga/Serie A Player Y "EPL fanboys" makes them look enlightened... This moronic train of thought needs to be addressed ASAP.

Yaya Toure > Arturo Vidal

Bitchboi, i offend you before?

ritchboy: Nowadays everyone thinks labeling people who say EPL Player X is better than La Liga/Serie A Player Y "EPL fanboys" makes them look enlightened... This moronic train of thought needs to be addressed ASAP.

Yaya Toure > Arturo Vidal

bitchboy, don't just tell us toure is better than vidal. show us proof why you think toure is better than vidal.

this is not a beer parlour or a herbalist oracle. we need empirical evidence or scientific proof to take your word for it. today's friday & it's not unusual for you to be pissy-drunk before writing the piffle above.

coogar:

except that toure gets the license to bomb forward and cause mayhem for the opposition. that's actually city's go-to method when they want to close shop. garcia will join fernandinho & toure would play directly behind a centre forward.

on top of all that, toure had the bonus of 6 penalty kicks & 4 awoof free-kicks. are you saying vidal wouldn't have scored 6 penalty kicks if given the opportunity? if he had, do you know how many goals he would have had?

Why wasn't he given the opportunity?

Has Vidal shown us any reason to believe he can tidy set pieces with the required consistency?

The fact that he had license to go forward does not make him an AM btw, which is what I was pointing out to pkasso there...

Sadly the user behind the handle is more Dali than than Pablo...he's canvass seems quite empty at the minute...

Nihilist:
Why wasn't he given the opportunity?

different teams with different philosophies. what suits man city may not suit juventus.

Has Vidal shown us any reason to believe he can tidy set pieces with the required consistency?

why not?
if pirlo was a city player, toure won't come near the freekicks or penalty kicks.

The fact that he had license to go forward does not make him an AM btw, which is what I was pointing out to pkasso there...

toure has played that AM role several times. it's an opportunity for city to use an extra defensive midfielder. toure sits at the tip of the pivot!

Sadly the user behind the handle is more Dali than than Pablo...he's canvass seems quite empty at the minute...

i have ample evidence to prove vidal was the better player last season. where's your own evidence that toure is better. let's edit out the set-piece goals....:what does toure have?

Nihilist:

I'm sure when you composed this post in your mind, you had some hidden gem of perspicacity to share. I regret to inform you that you have sadly omitted it.

Toure and Ramsey played the same position last year. Silva/Nasri were the creative forces for City last season.

Infact during the 1st leg of Barca game, I remember Dahdemola expressing his appreciation of Silva's control of City's attacking movement from a position on the left flank.

The Chelsea game saw Toure paired with freaking Demichelis in the middle of the park. How was he expected to perform in tandem with that Whale? I remember Coogar was delighted when he saw the teamsheet and correctly predicted that Luiz-Matic-Ramires combo would destroy the city midfield

Abeg come correct with your arguments or go home. I'm all for explosive debates, but your submissions lack substance...

Ramsey and Toure played the same position last year? Stay off the cactus juice,son.You are making a fool of yourself!

coogar:

different teams with different philosophies. what suits man city may not suit juventus.



why not?
if pirlo was a city player, toure won't come near the freekicks or penalty kicks.



toure has played that AM role several times. it's an opportunity for city to use an extra defensive midfielder. toure sits at the tip of the pivot!



i have ample evidence to prove vidal was the better player last season. where's your own evidence that toure is better. let's edit out the set-piece goals....:what does toure have?

The very website you reference give Toure the overall gong by a country mile. What else do I need to provide?

Anyway why stop at removing Toure's setpiece goals, why don't we remove all his goals completely?

According to Whoscored.com, Aaron Ramsey started 20 PL games last season.17 of those were as a defensive central midfielder in a 4231.

pkasso: Ramsey and Toure played the same position last year? Stay off the cactus juice,son.You are making a fool of yourself!

Listen here Prickasso, Toure and Ramsey played exactly the same position in the majority of the season - in central midfield.

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pkasso: Ramsey and Toure played the same position last year? Stay off the cactus juice,son.You are making a fool of yourself!

What was toure's starting position for city in virtually all games last season?

Nihilist:

The very website you reference give Toure the overall gong by a country mile. What else do I need to provide?

Anyway why stop at removing Toure's setpiece goals, why don't we remove all his goals completely?

because a midfielder that gets to take penalties regularly will outscore the one that doesn't. it's simple logic. it means toure could play shyte all day & score a hatrick. all he has to do is score from 12 yards with only the goalie to beat.


dietmar hamann
"yaya toure is a defensive liability"