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Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by Afam4eva(m): 3:17pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
achi4u: hahaha,i can't even stay without taking chilled HARP especially when they doing PROMO. It's funny that the same people will watch STAR MEGA JAM, STAR QUEST, GULDER ULTIMATE SEARCH that's sponsored by an alcoholic company. Some Christians can be hypocritical. |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by Goshen360(m): 3:19pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Okija_juju: 1. Can you tell us the purpose of Christ turning water into wine and Can you turn water into wine? 2. Do you bother to find out what issue is it with Timothy stomach and will you pray to have the same kind of issue with Timothy's stomach in your life? Give us answers to these questions. |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by rastamouse: 3:24pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Okija_juju: of course you will be lost. You don't have the discerning spirit...sorry |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by coogar: 3:35pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Emmysteve: The founder and senior pastor of Christ Embassy, Pastor Chris Oyakhilome on Sunday told all who cared to listen that since the Bible does not expressly condemn both Cigarette and Alcohol, then there is nothing wrong with these stuffs. the pastor is very correct. taking alcohol is not a sin. Jesus' first miracle was turning water into wine. wine is alcoholic. if wine is posion, Christ wouldn't turn water into wine. there was no mention of cigarettes in the bible so i cannot comment on that. the key is moderation. if food is not taken with moderation then it leads to gluttony - which is also a sin. |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by Okijajuju1(m): 3:43pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Goshen360: Jesus turned water into wine for many reasons including; Obedience to his mothers request and secondly keeping the party going. Goshen360: Once more, stop focusing on Timothy and look beyond. . Jesus ate bread and drank wine at the last supper and even encouraged us to do this as often drink this in remembrance of him. . . Did you read through my other post about Jesus and wine?! |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by coogar: 3:51pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Okija_juju: so you are saying Jesus colluded with sinners to keep the party going? really? okija-juju - stop this blasphemy. everything we do as humans have a limit. if you go beyond the limit, then there's a problem alcohol if taken with moderation is fine. same as cigarette, same as eating. |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by Nobody: 3:52pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
musKeeto: very soon, pple will be msturbating in church toilets, smoking while preaching, serving beer during church services... wow.. wonderfull... Is it a sin to be naked on the streets?. Answer this simple question and I will tell you the fallacy in your statement. |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by Nobody: 3:55pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
coogar: But the bible says he turned water into wine. "simples!". Also, wine was mentioned severally in the bible as capable causing drunkenness and there was no place in the bible where there was a differentiation between alcoholic and NON-ALCOHOLIC wine. |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by Goshen360(m): 3:56pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
@ Okija_juju, Okija_juju: Well, you just told us Jesus turned water into wine and encouraged us to do so in remembrance of him. So you do you talk alcoholic wine for communion? You also gave what you "think" was the reason Jesus turned water into wine. You also answered one side of the question and left the other side of the question unanswered. Secondly, You didn't answer my question about Timothy's stomach but systematically dodge the question. You should be honest with your answers. Answer the questions in full. They are 4 in 2 questions sir. |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by Turbocharged: 3:59pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
afam4eva: Take a thorough look at my post again and try to understand the statements in red "And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household," |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by Okijajuju1(m): 4:00pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
coogar: Coogar!! (i love your User I.d) NOW!! I'm sorry but that wasnt blasphemy at all. If Jesus drank wine then I see no reason why he couldnt change water into wine. It was a wedding for christ sakes and if Jesus came to fulfill the law, then we could say what he did fell in line with "Ecclesiastes 9:7, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.”". I absolutely agree that were these things become a sin is when we do it in excess. There are several scriptures in the bible that supports and encourages the drinking of alcohol. Again, Scripture does not forbid Christians from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. Alcohol is not, in and of itself, tainted by sin. It is drunkenness and addiction to alcohol that a Christian must absolutely refrain from (Ephesians 5:18; 1 Corinthians 6:12). Halleluyah!! Pastor Alusi Okija |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by rastamouse: 4:03pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Okija_juju: Why will anyone drink alcohol, except for medicals reason? |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by Nobody: 4:08pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Okija_juju: Tell them |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by Okijajuju1(m): 4:11pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
rastamouse: Psalm 104. 14 He makes grass grow for the cattle, and plants for people to cultivate— bringing forth food from the earth: 15 wine that gladdens human hearts, oil to make their faces shine, and bread that sustains their hearts |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by Goshen360(m): 4:17pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Okija, You still haven't answered my last question sir Goshen360: @ Okija_juju, |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by rastamouse: 4:24pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Okija_juju: Okija You are very wrong on that. Wine has a deep history in the Bible. When GOD ordered that no Nazerite should drink wine, it was for a purpose. If you had honestly answered my question, it will have been obvious to you that unless for medical purpose, the only craving for wine is to get drunk...and that is a sin. Why will any sane Christian, knowing that there are several levels of faith among us, encourage that people should drink and smoke? |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by coogar: 4:29pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
rastamouse: it's medicinal! red wine is medicinal. in countries with maritime climate, some pastors take cigarettes for warmth! |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by Okijajuju1(m): 4:30pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Goshen360: Timothy had a stomach problem without a doubt that necessitated Paul writing to him to advice him to take some wine for his stomach sake. Ofcourse nobody prays for any ailment so I dont get where you are going with this. SO Timothy had a stomach problem, did the people a Cana were Jesus turned water to wine all have stomach problems?! Did the Twelve Disciples all have stomach problems when they drank wine with Jesus?! I dont get why you are hell bent on emphasising and hammering of Timothys Stomach problem and ignoring the fact that even Jesus who did not have a stomach problem drank. Point of correction. . . Jesus didnt encourage us to turn water into wine but rather to break bread and Drink wine as often as we can in remembrance of him. . . I use to be Anglican and our communion was alcoholic. . I believe its the same wine used by both Catholics and Anglicans worldwide. . Processed from the actual fruit of the vine in Isreal. . Not Ribena as pentecostal and other protestant churches do. . . Wine is alcoholic. . The only wine that isnt is refered to in the Bible as "NEW WINE". . . Get it!! I hope its clearer now! |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by Turbocharged: 4:46pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
@Goshen Do you read your Bible upside down or is it a case of not understanding English? Ephesians 5:18 reads: And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Please take time out and study that passage. |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by gearshift: 6:06pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
yup, nothing wrong with alcohol, cigarettes, marijuana, opium, cocaine, gambling, promiscuous, gambling....the list goes on |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by ono(m): 6:59pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
gearshift: gambling....the list goes on Abi o! Nothing wrong with gambling, helep me tell them! Okija, how about gambling? I don't think I read anything about that in the Bible, therefore doing it is no sin, right? Same with watching pornographic movies, going to brothels and stuff (Even Judah, the ancestor of Jesus once patronized the services of an harlot - although it later turned out that the ''harlot'' was his daughter-in-law Genesis 38: 15-19) So therefore, no wahala with mingling with harlots. Enjoyment and freedom don start! |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by SisiKill1: 7:01pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Y'all have totally jumped shark with this topic. Can't tell who stands where and for what!! |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by Ptolomeus(m): 7:05pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Okija_juju: Fact: Jesus Christ never sinned, never:Versions are available that indicate that Jesus drank moderately. Others point out as a great drinker of wine (white). I agree with you that moderate drinking is not a sin (Jesus ultimately did). Moderate smoking, nor should it be a sin (although Jesus did not smoke) I further understand that sex is not sin in moderation. It was God who gave man and woman the opportunity to have sex, that you love and enjoy happiness. In short, I believe that pastors like all other people should drink, smoking and having sex ... With regard to drugs ... I do not know ... at least not consumption, but perhaps not a bad thing and pastors should do it ... I thought that a pastor should be something like an example for the community, with an irreproachable conduct and a moral ideal, is essential for the correct way to teach the faithful ... But after reading this thread ... I think pastors should claim their right to access all the pleasures of life. Halleluyah!! |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by ono(m): 7:29pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
Sisi_Kill: Y'all have totally jumped shark with this topic. Naa people are just ''shedding'' more ''light'' on the gospel. Don't be led astray though. Have fun! |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by oomen(m): 8:45pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
If cigarette smoking is a sin then eating of kola-nut could be a sin too,because they both contain nicotine. |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by seunds: 11:55pm On Apr 16, 2012 |
hmmm...May God have Mercy www.naijacollections.com |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by numo86(m): 12:04am On Apr 17, 2012 |
Is this post authentic?? If it is then its like chris needs some bible lessons... Soon people can even smoke inside his church.. All this is just to drag more crazy fellows to his church...no discipline!!!! |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by clemmonce(m): 12:06am On Apr 17, 2012 |
simmos: You don't need every law to be stated in the bible before you know what is good or bad, read galatians 5:19-21 and galatians 6:7-9, smoking and drunken is bad because its the work of the flesh and also uncleanness in God eyesu get sense my bru |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by Emylexray(m): 12:15am On Apr 17, 2012 |
brainchild78: Pastor Chris needs 2 be very careful & pray repentedly not only will his misguided logic lead others to hell, he may also be one of the partakers in eternal damnation.*misguided logic*..i like that! |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by cute08: 12:16am On Apr 17, 2012 |
Hw can a man of God see smokin n drinkin as no sin especially whn d bible ha stated vividly. Na waaa o |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by Nobody: 12:17am On Apr 17, 2012 |
numo86: Is this post authentic??Since pounded yam is legal, how many people have you seen eating pounded yam in the middle of service. People just like to open their mouths and spew babash. And oh @Goshen360, the early church used alcohol for their Holy Communion-1Cor11:21. Read first then come and talk. Some people are really more holy than the Christ Himself, He should be praying to you lot for the forgiveness of His 'sins' should He ever commit any. |
Re: Nothing Wrong With Alcohol, Cigarette – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? <<Rumor?>> by Nobody: 12:17am On Apr 17, 2012 |
Only TB joshua and chris seem to be talking these days,what about the other thievies ? i mean Adeboye and Oyedepo ! |
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