ACM10: Chei! Someone are really bitter o. He claims that the interview from a principal actor should be discarded, while the tales of his obscure "balanced" historian should be believed as an authentic account. He enters a debate with a predetermined opinion. He uses strongarm tactics to bully everyone that believes otherwise. He doesn't respect the views of other people. He prides himself as NL intellectual. He can descend so low to quote articles from gossip sites. I can only feel sorry for you.

Katsumoto: Dede1

You can keep trying to use word play to befuddle the argument but i will my eye on the ball. To suggest that there were no bini, yoruba, ishan, itshekiri in the armed forces before 1966 is silly. That was never in question. The fact is that there was a recruitment drive after the biafran incursion. Similarly to how many young boys join the military when there is war just like duri g WW2 and after september 11.

I will respond in full later as i am on my fone.

The 2nd and 3rd Divisions of the Nigerian army of 1966 were swelled by officers and ranks drawn from Yoruba, Edo, Itsekiri. Ishan, Urhobo, Ejagam, Ijo and Efik peeps in a calculated anticipation of invasion of Biafra by Nigeria.

Dede1:

Silliness lies with moronic dimwit who remotely thought western region was under occupation by Nigerian soldiers from northern region in 1966. And by extension, Yoruba and its allies in southern provinces of Nigeria could not stand up to Gowon and soldiers from northern because there was no Yoruba or Edo or Ishan or Urhobo or Itsekiri or Ijo or Ejagam or Efik in uniform of Nigerian armed forces colors. In addition, these aforementioned ethnic groups begged Gowon and northern regional political elite to be allowed into Nigerian armed forces because of Biafra or fear of Biafran nation. What a silly conjecture.

Why did they fail to, at least, stage a public demonstration against Gowon and Nigerian armed forces when Biafra was being attacked in July of 1967?

rhymz: he is prolly reading from the books of his favourite revisionist authors for answers. .lol
I have lost respect for this katsumoto guy walahi!!!
Intellectual my backside, reading books that supports his pre-determined stance makes him look fly to the likes of ileke idi and her small-minded likes.
Anyway, if his authors conveniently left out this part of the argument in their books for lack of logical rationalizational, he could google it up as it is obvious he must win the argument and impress his host of admiring chairleading dumbos. . . . The Ultimate man, ngwanu!!

Katsumoto:

Not quite capable; significantly more capable is a better phrase. See excerpts of the report prepared by the Colonial Secretary following the conferences in 1957-1958. Those who are unable to provide competent administration in their homes should be prevented from administering at home let alone administering outside it.

Dede1:


What else do you expect from a person who thinks Ubani (Bonny) was part of Mid-western region of Nigeria and we should count August before July?

Dede1:

Silliness lies with moronic dimwit who remotely thought western region was under occupation by Nigerian soldiers from northern region in 1966. And by extension, Yoruba and its allies in southern provinces of Nigeria could not stand up to Gowon and soldiers from northern because there was no Yoruba or Edo or Ishan or Urhobo or Itsekiri or Ijo or Ejagam or Efik in uniform of Nigerian armed forces colors. In addition, these aforementioned ethnic groups begged Gowon and northern regional political elite to be allowed into Nigerian armed forces because of Biafra or fear of Biafran nation. What a silly conjecture.

Why did they fail to, at least, stage a public demonstration against Gowon and Nigerian armed forces when Biafra was being attacked in July of 1967?

rhymz: he is prolly reading from the books of his favourite revisionist authors for answers. .lol I have lost respect for this katsumoto guy walahi!!! Intellectual my backside, reading books that supports his pre- determined stance makes him look fly to the likes of ileke idi and her small- minded likes. Anyway, if his authors conveniently left out this part of the argument in their books for lack of logical rationalizational, he could google it up as it is obvious he must win the argument and impress his host of admiring chairleading dumbos. . . . The Ultimate man, ngwanu!!

Katsumoto:
I challenge you to provide a book, link, article that states that recruitment of Southerners into the armed forces started before the Biafran invasion. Please do not disappoint me this time.

Gowon had thus taken political initiative. In a swift process of political engineering, Gowon created a new 'Federation' with smaller and more subnational units. This move, was designed to 'correct the imbalance in the administrative structure of the country' and to 'minimize future political friction and ensure a stable federation'. He began to receive a 'flood' of messages of congratulation and support from Nigerians abroad and at home. Many people of Rivers and South-Eastern States origin were seen dancing in Lagos and enlisting en masse into the Federal Army.

Katsumoto:

And as usual, you failed to address the post but proceeded to introduce irrelevant information. I stated that there was a mass recruitment after the Biafran incursion and you replied that someone was conjecturing that southern citizens couldn't stand up to Gowon and were begging Gowon to allow them into the forces. Where did you read that in my post? If someone else made that conjecture, then direct the response above to them and not to me.

Biafra decided to go to war despite being warned by both internal and external forces; but you were exoecting people on the streets demonstrating when Ojukwu had decided to settle scores on the battle field? The facts are that no one begged Gowon to enlist; many Yoruba and mid-westerners joined the forces after the Biafran incursion into the midwest and the debacle at Ore. It is your prerogative whether you refuse to accept this point.


I challenge you to provide a book, link, article that states that recruitment of Southerners into the armed forces started before the Biafran invasion. Please do not disappoint me this time. I appeal to you to please address whats stated in my posts and not what you wish to respond to even if its not stated.

For those interested, please see two articles below confirming that recruitment started after the Biafran invasion.



Although Benin City was retaken by the Nigerians on September 20, the Biafrans succeeded in their primary objective by tying down as many Nigerian Federal troops as they could. Gen. Gowon also launched an offensive from Biafra's south from the delta to riverine area using the bulk of Lagos Garrison command under Col. Adekunle (black scorpion) to form 3 division which latter changed to the 3rd marine commandos. Recruitment into the Nigeria Army increased with Biafra's offensive to the west mostly among other southern ethnics especially Yoruba and Edo people. Four battalions of the Nigerian 2nd Infantry Division were needed to drive the Biafrans back and eliminate their territorial gains made during the offensive. But the Nigerians were repulsed three times and lost thousands of troops as they tried to cross the Niger during October.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Nigerian_Civil_War


But in the first three days of the assault, its element of surprise and advantage of speed were completely lost as Banjo sat in Benin arguing with Ojukwu over the appointment of a military governor, while trying to raise an additional battalion from scratch. Meanwhile, Gowon initiated recall of two battalions from Bonny to Escravos. Trains and trailers began bringing additional troops from Kaduna. Units were withdrawn from Nsukka sector. New recruits were hurriedly trained. From Lagos, every roadworthy vehicle that could be commandeered was grabbed to move troops and material to a "Maginot-Line" stretching from Okitipupa to Ore, through Ondo to Owo and on to Okene. A previously positioned company of men from the federal guard led by Lt. Sam Tomoye initially held the ground at Ore until relieved by additional troops from Ibadan led by Captain Geoffrey Ejiga. On August 18, Kano airport was suddenly closed to civilian traffic as a massive air shipment of Russian MIGS arrived along with personnel.

ACM10:



GOWON
by J. Isawa Elaigwu
West Books Publisher Limited, Ibadan.
1986.
Page 101

CyberG: Some people like this ^^ will kaput talking gibberish forever with nothing to show for it! History is established facts of the past and facts are stubborn things that cannot be re-written!

Dede1:

Shut up your putrid mouth young man. What do you know about history and established facts?

T9ksy:

Look at a pot calling a kettle, black! Agabya ni e- you are a good for nothing old man. And what do you termed "established facts?" You mean, like the one where you and your ilk claimed (and still continue to claim) that NCNC won the 1951 regional election in western nigeria but till date, cannot produce the results for all to peruse. Is that your concept of "established facts"? Yeye man! you have no moral standing to lecture anyone here on established facts as you have no idea of what it means. You no dey shame sef!!!

Give us proof of your so-called "established facts" or just STFU!!!


@ ACM10, I dey patiently await your return from your village o!

Dede1:


Do not pay any mind to Katsumoto when he throws those ridiculous challenges after being fed with junks written by enemies of Biafra and those who would do anything humanly possible to justify their utter stupidity for joining force with Gowon Nigeria.

Sometimes I wonder why most southern Nigerians shun books about the Nigeria/Biafra civil war written by authors such as J. Isawa Elaigwu or Bala Usman who had no reason to justify their actions during the civil war. As far as I concerned, the water has gone under the bridge and there nothing anybody could do in order to germinate seed of unity and camaraderie among the people of southern provinces of Nigeria.

pazienza: So,the lie that lagos and western region was under siege has been finally bursted. Dede and ACM,u guys are good.

These people(mid west and west) willingly joined gowon and swelled up his army,the middle belters did the same,but u don't see them trying to deny their involvement...,whatever reason that made these mid westerners and westerners to want to deny their involvement and play the victim is beyond me.

Dede,u equally did a great job in some other thread,exposing the omogui guy for a lier he is,and you sent the yoruba guys running when you bursted their fake Ojukwu's letter,at least none of them will quote that letter again.

Little by little,you guys are striping them of their lies,it's only a matter of time before the world sees their unclothedness.

Katsumoto: ACM

It appears you are either blind or unable to comprehend. You posted a link stating that biafrans were joining enmass to fight against biafra. Or rivers and southeastern states were not part of biafra?

I am surprised dede missed that as well and as already affirmed that elaigwu was an unbiased writer.

Talk about scoring an own goal. A biafran providing a link that biafrans enlisted enmass to fight biafra. Plus they were dancing and partying as well as gowon prepared for action.

Dede1:


You sound very pathetic with this post. When J. Isawa Elaigwu wrote “many people of Rivers and South-Eastern State origin seen dancing in Lagos and enlisting en masse in to the Federal Army”, he was not in any form of illusion about his assertion.

I guess you mischievously decided to play ignorant to the fact that Elaigwu meant Rivers State and South-Eastern State of the twelve original states created by Gowon. Let me refresh your memory for good understanding of the facts. South-Eastern State as referenced in the book morphed into Akwa Ibom and Cross River States while Rivers State gave rise to Rivers and Bayelsa States.

In addition, remember there was East Central State. Did you catch the dude’s drift? I suggest you drop the bull horn about the reference made by Elaigwu on the states.

Besides, it has been repeatedly rehearsed that not everybody from eastern region is regarded as Biafran hence the issue of betrayal.

Dede1:


Shut the freaking up toddler. Even if the facts are set under your nose, agbaya kekere such as you would still demand for proof.

hercules07:

Quit digging.

Katsumoto: ACM

It appears you are either blind or unable to comprehend. You posted a link stating that biafrans were joining enmass to fight against biafra. Or rivers and southeastern states were not part of biafra?

I am surprised dede missed that as well and as already affirmed that elaigwu was an unbiased writer.

Talk about scoring an own goal. A biafran providing a link that biafrans enlisted enmass to fight biafra. Plus they were dancing and partying as well as gowon prepared for action.

Dede1:


You sound very pathetic with this post. When J. Isawa Elaigwu wrote “many people of Rivers and South-Eastern State origin seen dancing in Lagos and enlisting en masse in to the Federal Army”, he was not in any form of illusion about his assertion.

I guess you mischievously decided to play ignorant to the fact that Elaigwu meant Rivers State and South-Eastern State of the twelve original states created by Gowon. Let me refresh your memory for good understanding of the facts. South-Eastern State as referenced in the book morphed into Akwa Ibom and Cross River States while Rivers State gave rise to Rivers and Bayelsa States.


In addition, remember there was East Central State. Did you catch the dude’s drift? I suggest you drop the bull horn about the reference made by Elaigwu on the states.

Besides, it has been repeatedly rehearsed that not everybody from eastern region is regarded as Biafran hence the issue of betrayal.

BlackPikiN:






When did the moderators start putting up topics on the front page with no tangigle source.

Where the f0rk is the source to this?

Make I quote before them go give yeye reason for no source.