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 Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus Will Follow Which Religion When Comes Back? by ayenny02(m): 9:30pm On Jun 04, 2013 |
pointblank 321: @ayenny02: The link you gave makes the quran invalid. All it attempts to do is to disqualify Jesus as the Messiah. Muhammad said Jesus is Messiah. Quran said Jesus is Messiah. If Muhammad was wrong in his hadith as a man, was Allah too wrong in the quran. One of the things I notice about the muslims is that they are ready to defend their religion even against the quran.Yes Quran and Hadith said Messiah but Jesus the Messiah in Islam is not connected to your theology or views pointblank 321: @ayenny02:Good statement from you that Jesus didn't recognise or practise christianity as a religion. Who were those people who saw the disciples behaviour and formed the religion of christianity that Jesus didn't not recognised? To My Question again "which religion Jesus will follow when he comes back between Islam and Christianity" and you have accepted that jesus didn't practise christianity. Now the question is which religion Jesus will follow btw islam and Jesus doctrine "not christianity anymore" What did Jesus preached to his disciples? pointblank 321: @ayenny02: Point of correction, if muslims don't believe in jesus christ Islam will not says in the Quran, "And he (Jesus shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Resurrection); therefore have no doubt about it (the Hour). And follow me (Allah), this is a Straight Path." (Quran 43: 61) |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus Will Follow Which Religion When Comes Back? by ayenny02(m): 8:53pm On Jun 04, 2013 |
pointblank 321: @ayenny02: The link you gave makes the quran invalid. All it attempts to do is to disqualify Jesus as the Messiah. Muhammad said Jesus is Messiah. Quran said Jesus is Messiah. If Muhammad was wrong in his hadith as a man, was Allah too wrong in the quran. One of the things I notice about the muslims is that they are ready to defend their religion even against the quran. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus Will Follow Which Religion When Comes Back? by ayenny02(m): 5:33pm On Jun 04, 2013 |
pointblank 321:Good response from you but the question still remain unanswered. Jesus said it to his disciple but Jesus did not recognise the word "Christianity" pointblank 321:Now Jesus is indeed the Messiah, but that doesnt make him God, not at all, it is a title of honor given to Jesus. Jesus was indeed born of a virgin birth, this was God showing his power and what he is capable of, these are his signs that he gives to us to believe in him. Jesus is just a word of God, not THE word of God, it is different than your concept of the word of God. The Messiah title in the Quran is not connected to the OT. Secondly the Messiah of the NT fails the test of being the Messiah of the OT. Here are some links how Jesus was the false messiah http://www.evilbible.com/jesus_false.htm pointblank 321:Can you give me one verses in bible where jesus said My second coming is for those who practising Christianity as a religion? |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus Will Follow Which Religion When Comes Back? by ayenny02(m): 5:20pm On Jun 04, 2013 |
Thanks pointblank 321 |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Scientific Miracles from the Quran by ayenny02(m): 3:02pm On Jun 04, 2013 |
alexis:If you see the truth, I know you will deny it. I will help you paste it if you can't open the link; Danny Kingsley - ABC Science Online Tuesday, 1 October 2002 The surface of flies is the last place you would expect to find antibiotics, yet that is exactly where a team of Australian researchers is concentrating their efforts.  Working on the theory that flies must have remarkable antimicrobial defences to survive rotting dung, meat and fruit, the team at the Department of Biological Sciences, Macquarie University, set out to identify those antibacterial properties manifesting at different stages of a fly's development. "Our research is a small part of a global research effort for new antibiotics, but we are looking where we believe no-one has looked before," said Ms Joanne Clarke, who presented the group's findings at the Australian Society for Microbiology Conference in Melbourne this week. The project is part of her PhD thesis. The scientists tested four different species of fly: a house fly, a sheep blowfly, a vinegar fruit fly and the control, a Queensland fruit fly which lays its eggs in fresh fruit. These larvae do not need as much antibacterial compound because they do not come into contact with as much bacteria. Ugly but useful: The sheep blowfly is one of the fly species that might provide humans with new antibiotics. (Pic: BioTrack.) Flies go through the life stages of larvae and pupae before becoming adults. In the pupae stage, the fly is encased in a protective casing and does not feed. "We predicted they would not produce many antibiotics," said Ms Clarke. Related Stories Scientists to squeeze antibiotics out of sea sponge, Science Online, 04 Oct 2000 They did not. However the larvae all showed antibacterial properties (except that of the Queensland fruit fly control). Oz fungi screened for new antibiotics, Science Online, 06 Nov 2008 As did all the adult fly species, including the Queensland fruit fly (which at this point requires antibacterial protection because it has contact with other flies and is mobile). Space to grow antibiotics, Science Online, 06 Nov 2008 Such properties were present on the fly surface in all four species, although antibacterial properties occur in the gut as well. "You find activity in both places," said Ms Clarke. "The reason we concentrated on the surface is because it is a simpler extraction." The antibiotic material is extracted by drowning the flies in ethanol, then running the mixture through a filter to obtain the crude extract. When this was placed in a solution with various bacteria including E.coli, Golden Staph, Candida (a yeast) and a common hospital pathogen, antibiotic action was observed every time. "We are now trying to identify the specific antibacterial compounds," said Ms Clarke. Ultimately these will be chemically synthesised. Because the compounds are not from bacteria, any genes conferring resistance to them may not be as easily transferred into pathogens. It is hoped this new form of antibiotics will have a longer effective therapeutic life alexis:Antibacterial action of Myiasis-causing flies. Erdmann GR. Department of Pharmacy Practice, College of Pharmacy, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455, USA. Some species of calliphorid blowflies lay their eggs in wounds; their larvae develop by feeding on the tissue, and the infection is known as myiasis or fly-strike. But wounds, from whatever cause, are frequently contaminated with bacteria - many o f which can spread in the bloodstream causing septicaemia and/or toxaemia. For example, wound contamination with Clostridium welchii - leading to 'gas gangrene' - was a frequent cause of death amongst battlefield casualties. It is from such situations that early observations were made on the beneficial effect of some blowfly larvae in limiting the bacterial infection of wounds. Indeed, some military surgeons would deliberately infest wounds with blowfly maggots in order to prevent bacterial complications. Now, a century or two later, the search for new antibiotics had led researchers back to these early observations, and in this article, Gory Erdmann describes progress in understanding the antibacterial action of blowfly maggots. PMID: 15462958 [PubMed] alexis:Either you like it or not truth will prevail, Science has confirmed that the fly does indeed carry antidote, and it does have useful functions that the human-body could greatly benefit from, such as the soldiers who used flies' larvae to prevent bacterial infections. The Hadiths above have a great deal of agreement with Science, and their knowledge was not known to man, 1,500 years ago. But however, there seems to be a questionable part about whether or not dipping a fly into the food could actually bring harm more than good. Allah Almighty certainly always Knows best. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Nobody Can Corrupt The Bible by ayenny02(m): 5:10am On Jun 04, 2013 |
pointblank 321: It was the fear of Muhammad that made Zyeed to surrender. It was a forced release. How would a just and holy God support such a marriage? God cannot support oppression. Thank you.In the meantime, Zaid intended to divorce his wife, Allah intended to marry her to the prophet. Eventually Zaid could maintain his marriage no longer. He divorced Zainab and Allah declared in his Glorious Book that he has wedded her to the prophet after the proper waiting period was over. This marriage served more than one purpose. First, the prophet was responsible for arranging Zainab's marriage to Zaid. In a sense, then, he was also indirectly responsible for the unhappiness she felt in her marriage. Her marriage to the prophet now provided her the honour she felt she deserved, and exonerated the prophet. Second, Zaid had been adopted as the prophet's son. Eventually, however, the Qur'an prohibited the practice of changing the parental identity of adopted persons. Zaid, then, was to no longer be called "son of Muhammad" but rather "a close friend." The prophet's marriage to the divorced wife of Zaid was a practical demonstration that the adopted relationship was not equal to a real blood-relationship. A man cannot marry the divorced wife of his real son but he can marry the divorced wife of his adopted son. The abolishment of the age-old practice was a positive improvement for the adopted persons. People outside of Islam still continue this practice for their own benefit. They adopt children and rob them of their real identify, making them believe they are real children of the household in which they grow up. When such children realize the truth they suffer much disappointment and grief. The adoptive process continues for the selfish gain of the adoptive parents. But is it not true that children sometimes need adoptive parents? Yes. But they also need to preserve their real identify. This is what Islam ensures. It is the responsibility of the entire community to help children in need. They should be taken in and nurtured but not confused with one's own children. The prophet's marriage to Zainab was a bold measure to forever engrave in the minds of his followers that as much as people would resist change, some changes are worth the effort. Adoptive children should no longer be robbed of their real identities. pointblank 321: How would a just and holy God support such a marriage? God cannot support oppression. Thank you.Some of the Prophet's marriages were for legislative reasons and to abolish certain corrupt traditions. Such was his marriage to Zaynab, divorcee of the freed slave Zayd. Before Islam, the Arabs did not allow divorcees to remarry. Zayd was adopted by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and called his son as was the custom among the Arabs before Islam. But Islam abrogated this custom and disapproved of its practice. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was the first man to express this disapproval in a practical way. So he married the divorcee of his "adopted" son to show that adoption does not really make the adopted child a real son of the adopting father and also to show that marriage is lawful for divorcees. Incidentally, this very Zaynab was Muhammad's cousin, and had been offered to him in marriage before she married Zayd. He refused her then, but after she was divorced he accepted her for the two legislative purposes: the lawful marriage of divorcees and the real status of adopted children. pointblank 321:The story of this Zaynab has been associated in some minds with ridiculous fabrications regarding the moral integrity of Muhammad. These vicious fabrications are not even worth considering here (see Qur'an, 33: 36, 37, 40). So we can safely conclude, that the narration given by the missionaries, is wrong, and can NOT stand up to the light of the principles set by the traditionalists. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Nobody Can Corrupt The Bible by ayenny02(m): 4:54am On Jun 04, 2013 |
@pointblank 321 There is absolutely no truth in these stories which have been fabricated in this connection." This is the single report that forms the mainstay of authority for the Christain historians. But the poor fellows do not know what value this narration holds when critically viewed in the light of the principles set by the traditionalists. Tabari, the historian has taken this story from Waqidi, the well-known liar and fabricator. However, it is not true that he fell in love with Zainab in the way that is claimed by some critics. They say that once the prophet visited Zaid, the husband of Zainab. Zaid was out at the time, and Zainab was combing her hair. The prophet was struck by her beauty and immediately left saying something to the effect that God changes the hearts of people. When Zaid learnt about this incident he offered the prophet that he would divorce Zainab in order that the prophet may marry her. Accordingly, he divorced her and the prophet married her. Several things point to the lack of truth in this story. First, it is unlikely that the prophet (pbuh) was suddenly struck by Zainab's beauty. Zainab was his cousin. He had known her since childhood. Why would she suddenly appear striking after she was already married to another? Second, the prophet had arranged for her to get married to Zaid. If there was to be an attraction why did the prophet (pbuh) not encourage her to marry none but himself? Third, the fact of the matter was that Zaid's marriage proved to be an unhappy one. Zaid was a former slave and as such was held in low esteem in the eyes of Zainab. He mentioned to the prophet that he intended to divorce his wife. But the prophet advised him to keep his wife and avoid divorce. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Scientific Miracles from the Quran by ayenny02(m): 7:36pm On Jun 03, 2013 |
alexis:Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, made a remarkable statement about the flies carrying antidotes: Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, "If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it (into the vessel) and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing (antidote for it) i e. the treatment for that disease." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 673)" Narrated Abu Huraira: "The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537) The Scientific Proofs: The following articles are from non-Muslim Western sources. Article #1: From http://abc.gov.au/science/articles/2002/10/01/689400.htm: (This is an official Government web site) Article #2: From http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15462958: (Another official Government web site) Article #3: "Drosophila males transfer antibacterial proteins from their accessory gland and ejaculatory duct to their mates Purchase the full-text article References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article. O. Lung1, a, L. Kuoa and M.F. WolfnerCorresponding Author Contact Information, a, E-mail The Corresponding Author Department of Molecular Biology and Genetics, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853, USA Received 7 July 2000; accepted 25 October 2000. Available online 8 March 2001. Abstract The male fruitfly, Drosophila melanogaster, transfers to his mate proteins that increase his reproductive success by causing changes in her behavior and physiology. Here we show that among the transferred proteins are ones with antibacterial activity. We performed Escherichia coli overlay assays of native PAGE or renatured SDS–PAGE of reproductive tissue extracts of wild-type or transgenic males deficient in accessory gland function. We detected a 28 kDa male accessory gland-derived protein and two ejaculatory duct-derived proteins all with antibacterial activity. Based on its gel mobility and tissue of synthesis, one of the ejaculatory duct proteins is likely to be andropin, a previously-reported 6 kDa antibacterial peptide. All three proteins are transferred to females during mating. Therefore, they could assist in protecting the male's reproductive tract and, after transfer to the female, the female's reproductive tract or eggs against bacterial infection. Since seminal fluid proteins are transferred before the sperm, these antibacterial proteins may also protect sperm from bacterial infection. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022191000001517 Article #4: "Brazilian Journal of Microbiology Print version ISSN 1517-8382 Braz. J. Microbiol. vol.39 no.2 São Paulo Apr./June 2008 doi: 10.1590/S1517-83822008000200035 VETERINARY MICROBIOLOGY Antibacterial activities of multi drug resistant Myroides odoratimimus bacteria isolated from adult flesh flies (Diptera: Sarcophagidae) are independent of metallo beta-lactamase gene http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1517-83822008000200035 1 Like |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus, The Son Of Mary, The Grandson Of Imran by ayenny02(m): 10:31am On Jun 02, 2013 |
alexis:The truth will always prevail and Quran has said it already. The only problem was the bible, I have explained how jesus was not killed and not crucified, see it here; https://www.nairaland.com/1271315/dilema-muslims-crucifixion/2 |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: 1 Country, 2 Religions & 3 Very Telling Pictures (christianity On The Decline?) by ayenny02(m): 9:13am On Jun 02, 2013 |
Deen4me: Interesting articleAllah (swt) says in the Qur’aan: “It is he (Allah) who has sent his Messenger (saw) with guidance and the religion of truth, in order for it to be dominant over all other religions, even though the Mushrikoon (disbelievers) hate it.” (Q 9: 33) And the messenger Muhammad (saw) said: “Verily Allah has shown me the eastern and western part of the earth, and I saw the authority of my Ummah (nation) dominate all that I saw.” (Saheeh Muslim, hadeeth #2889) As Allah (swt) has said; this religion (i.e. Islam) is the only religion of truth; and the reason why he has sent us this deen is “in order for it to be dominant over all other religions.” Thus, Allah (swt) never sent us this deen as a mere spiritual belief. This deen has been sent to us by Almighty Allah (swt) in order for it to be implemented and for the whole of mankind to abide by it. The only one who would hate for Islam to dominate the world is the Kaafir Mushrik (non-Muslim), as Allah (swt) said, “…even though the Mushrikoon (disbelievers) hate it.” Consequently, any “Muslim” who dislikes for the Sharee’ah to be implemented (out of being afraid to be labelled “extremist” for example) has committed a negation of Eemaan, and thus left the fold of Islam for hating what Allah (swt) has revealed. Why would the disbelievers and hypocrites hate for Islam to be implemented? Simply because they do not wish for their corruption, evil, crime, cheating, oppression, dishonesty, fraud, lies, tyranny, freedom, and deception to come to an end, and for justice (Islam) to prevail. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus, The Son Of Mary, The Grandson Of Imran by ayenny02(m): 8:22am On Jun 02, 2013 |
alexis:I will advice you to study the arabic verses, you will understand very well. Al-Quran is ONE ARABIC BOOK an arabic language with different translation. alexis:The Quran tells us that they did not kill him and they did not crucify him and that Allah raised him up to Him. In none of the verses, is there an actual reference to his murder or that he was killed in Quran. Furthermore, Allah (God) also says in the Quran, "And he (Jesus shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Resurrection); therefore have no doubt about it (the Hour). And follow me (Allah), this is a Straight Path." (Quran 43: 61) Some of the reason why he is coming back are; 1) The Jews believe that they killed Prophet Jesus(AS), Allah will send him before the end of time to prove that they did not killed him and that he is alive. It is Jesus who will fight and the kill Dajjal (Anti-christ). 2) Protect the Muslims from Yajuj and Majuj (Gog & MaGog) by taking them to Mount Tur and then praying to Allah to make Yajuj and Majuj perish. 3) It is the Law of Allah that anything created from the Earth has to be buried in the Earth and not in the Heavens. Thus, he will return to the Earth for the second time, kill the Dajjal, live for a period of time and then he will die a natural death and will be buried alexis:There is no confusion there, the statement was very cleared |
| Islam for Muslims / Jesus Will Follow Which Religion When Comes Back? by ayenny02(m): 7:37am On Jun 02, 2013 |
It is universally believed, in both the Christian and the Muslim worlds, that Jesus will come again to this world at the end of the age. I propose to make a brief study of both the Christian and Islamic teachings about the return of Jesus Christ from heaven and to know which religion jesus will practice when he comes back between the two religion. In christianity we have many bible, many churches, many Gods and many doctrine with different ideologies and they are not worship in the same church while In islam,we have one Quran, one God, many sects but worship in the same mosque, believe in the same God and facing the same Qibla LET SEE THE VERSES FROM BIBLE AND ISLAM OF COMING BACK OF JESUS CHRIST 1. THE RETURN OF JESUS IN THE BIBLE. Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. Matthew 24:30 "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. Matthew 24: 36-39 No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothng about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Mark 8:36-38 What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with holy angels. 2. THE RETURN OF JESUS IN ISLAM Furthermore, Allah (God) also says in the Quran, "And he (Jesus shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Resurrection); therefore have no doubt about it (the Hour). And follow me (Allah), this is a Straight Path." (Quran 43: 61) Huzaifa bin Usaid reported that Prophet Mohammad suddenly came to us while we were talking. He asked, "What are you talking about?" We replied "We were talking about the Last Hour." Prophet (s) said, "It will never come until you see ten signs before it. He then mentioned the Smoke, the Dajjal (Anti-Christ), the Daabba, the Rising of the Sun from the place of its setting, the Descent of Jesus son of Mary (from Heaven), Yajuj and Ma'juj (Gog & MaGog)..." (Sahih Muslim) Prophet Mohammad said: "In the meantime, while the Dajjal will be busy doing this and this, Allah will send down the Messiah son of Mary (Jesus). He (Jesus) will descend in the eastern part of Damascus, near the white minaret (tower), dressed in the two yellow garments, with his hands resting on the arms of two angels. When he will bend down his head, water drops will appear trickling down, and when he will raise it, it will appear as though pearl--like drops are rolling down. Any disbeliever whom the air of his breath reaches, and it will reach up to the last limit of his sight, will fall dead. Then, the son of Mary will go in pursuit of the Dajjal, and will overtake him at the gate of Lud , and will kill him." (Sahih Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tirmizi, Ibn Majah). QUESTION *Which one is the straight path jesus will follow when comes back 1 Like |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus, The Son Of Mary, The Grandson Of Imran by ayenny02(m): 6:08am On Jun 02, 2013 |
Answer: JESUS (PBUH) SAID, "THE DAY THAT I DIE", NOT "THE DAY THAT I DIED" It is mentioned in Surah Maryam, Chapter 19 verse 33 "So Peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die and the Day that I shall be raised up to life (again)". [Al-Quran 19:33] The Quran mentions that Jesus (pbuh) said "Peace is on me the Day I was born, the day that I die". It is not stated "the day that I died". It is in the future tense and not in the past tense. WE believe jesus christ(peace be upon him) will come back and later will die in a natural death. And the raise up to life(again) means: the day of judgment. JESUS (PBUH) WAS RAISED UP ALIVE The Quran further says in Surah Nisa, Chapter 4 verse 157-158: "That they said (in boast),˜ We killed Jesus Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah. But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is exalted in Power, Wise." [Al-Quran 4:157-158] |
| Travel / Re: QATAR And UAE General Visa Enquiries by ayenny02(m): 5:16am On Jun 01, 2013 |
ASPchris: pls bros are u aware of suspending of 5years qatar visa by their government?. I have plan to secure Qatar visa, then from there i will be entering dubia to look for job instead of going from Nigeria to dubia just for one month permit, which the probability to get job within the stipulated period is not totally feasible.Qatar Visa is not suspended, where did you get the information |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus Disciples by ayenny02(m): 8:15pm On May 31, 2013 |
truthman2012: @ ayenny02Gbammmmu, thks for accepting the truth that OLD and NEW BIBLE were not from God except from unknowing author. About your question, search engine is you friend for the answer or to open another thread don't derail this topic, I understand ur logic and how you feel, is not easy to leave what you have bn brainwashed since ur childhood but try to seel for the truth. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus Disciples by ayenny02(m): 5:04pm On May 31, 2013 |
truthman2012:Those verses of the Quran has nothing to do with the Bible. ARE U CLEARED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! truthman2012:Bible states seven times that false miracles will mislead many (Matthew 7:21-23, 24:24, Mark 13:22, 2 Thess 2:8-12, Rev 13:13,14, 16:14,19:20) and it seems that this will involve a large section of the world's population (the Greek word for many has the connotations of a majority). Those deceived will believe that they are serving God in the name of Jesus when in fact they are "workers of iniquity". (Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV) "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. {22} "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' {23} "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness! truthman2012:Please don't derail the thread,if you check the islam section all the question has been answered. I know how you feel about the proof how bible were corrupted. Just accept my apology, is not my fault to revealed the truth but I just have to let you know it. SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus Disciples by ayenny02(m): 4:46pm On May 31, 2013 |
truthman2012:Thank God you accepted that Old testament has corrupted. Let's now check the authorship and corrupted in New testament. Who were the authors of the New testament? Were they really the original Desciples? The Gospel of Matthew: "The unknown author, whom we shall continue to call Matthew for the sake of convenience, drew no only up the Gospel according to Mark but upon a large body of material (principally, sayings of Jesus) not found in Mk that corresponds, sometimes exactly, to material found also in the Gospel according to Luke. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1008)" "As for the place where the gospel was composed, a plausible suggestion is that it was Antioch, the capital of the Roman province of Syria. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1009)" So we clearly see, both the author or authors and the place of composition of the "Gospel of Matthew" are unknown. The Gospel of Mark: Note: This gospel is the oldest and supposedly the most original one in the New Testament! "Although the book is anonymous, apart from the ancient heading "According to Mark" in manuscripts, it has traditionally been assigned to John Mark, in whose mother's house (at Jerusalem) Christians assembled. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1064)" "Although there is no direct internal evidence of authorship, it was the unanimous testimony of the early church that this Gospel was written by John Mark. (From the NIV Bible Commentary [1], page 1488)" We certainly do not know whether Mark was the author or not! The quote clearly states "no direct internal evidence of authorship". Also, the so-called unanimous testimony of the early church: - Does not prove that the author was Mark. - Nor does it prove that other people did not alter and modify the book, especially when the book was written at least 40-50 years after Christ. We don't even know if Mark even wrote the book. "Traditionally, the gospel is said to have been written shortly before A.D. 70 in Rome, at a time of impending persecution and when destruction loomed over Jerusalem. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1064)" "Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes [1], page 1528)" "This verse, which reads, "But if you do not forgive, neither will your heavenly Father forgive your transgressions," is omitted in the best manuscripts. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1081)" "This passage, termed the Longer Ending to the Marcan gospel by comparison with a much briefer conclusion found in some less important manuscripts, has traditionally been accepted as a canonical part of the gospel and was defined as such by the Council of Trent. Early citations of it by the Fathers indicate that it was composed by the second century, although vocabulary and style indicate that it was written by someone other than Mark. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1088)" truthman2012:So, who then are the authors of the books of the Bible? Obviously the Church must know them very well since they are popularly believed to have received divine inspiration from God Himself. Right? Actually, they don't. For example, we will note that every Gospel begins with the introduction "According to....." such as "The Gospel according to Saint Matthew," "The Gospel according to Saint Luke," "The Gospel according to Saint Mark," "The Gospel according to Saint John." The obvious conclusion for the average man on the street is that these people are known to be the authors of the books attributed to them. This, however is not the case. Why? Because not one of the vaunted four thousand copies existent carries its author's signature. It has just been assumed that certain people were the authors. Recent discoveries, however, refute this belief. Even the internal evidence suggests that, for instance, Matthew did not write the Gospel attributed to him: "...And as Jesus passed forth thence, HE (Jesus) saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and HE (Jesus) saith unto HIM (Matthew), follow ME (Jesus) and HE (Matthew) arose, and followed HIM (Jesus). (Matthew 9:9)" Did "Matthew" write this about himself? Why then didn't Matthew write for example: "he (Jesus) saw ME, and my name is Matthew. I was sitting at the receipt of custom…" etc. Such evidence can be found in many places throughout the New Testament. Granted, it may be possible that an author sometimes may write in the third person, still, in light of the rest of the evidence that we shall see throughout this book, there is simply too much evidence against this hypothesis. Let us have a slightly more detailed look at only one book of the New Testament, that of 'Hebrews': "The author of the Book of Hebrews is unknown. Martin Luther suggested that Apollos was the author...Tertullian said that Hebrews was a letter of Barnabas...Adolf Harnack and J. Rendel Harris speculated that it was written by Priscilla (or Prisca). William Ramsey suggested that it was done by Philip. However, the traditional position is that the Apostle Paul wrote Hebrews...Eusebius believed that Paul wrote it, but Origen was not positive of Pauline authorship. truthman2012:The Validity of the Trinity Belief: Trinity doctrine doesn't have basic in either NT nor in OT. They depend on human interpretation to form up this doctrine. It is totally pagan. In the preface to Edward Gibbon's History of Christianity, we read: "If Paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism." A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge notes that many say that the Trinity "is a corruption borrowed from the heathen religions, and engrafted on the Christian faith." And The Paganism in Our Christianity declares: "The origin of the [Trinity] is entirely pagan." The Encyclopedia Americana comments: "Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching." Many of the fundamental beliefs of Christianity which have been for many centuries taken on blind faith (those which differ from the beliefs of Muslims) are now beginning to be challenged by some of the foremost scholars and religious leaders of Christianity today. An example of this can be found in the British newspaper the "Daily News" 25/6/84 under the heading "Shock survey of Anglican Bishops" We read that a British television pole of 31 of the 39 Anglican Bishops in England found 19 to believe that it is not necessary for Christians to believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) is God, but only "His supreme agent" (his messenger) as taught by Muslims for 1400 years now and testified to by John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you hast sent 1 Like |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus Disciples by ayenny02(m): 5:39pm On May 30, 2013 |
truthman2012: @ayenny02Dr. Lobegott Friedrich Konstantin Von Tischendorf, one of the most adamant conservative Christian defenders of the Trinity and one of the Church's foremost scholars of the Bible was himself driven to admit that: "[the New Testament had] in many passages undergone such serious modification of meaning as to leave us in painful uncertainty as to what the Apostles had actually written" Secrets of Mount Sinai, James Bentley, p. 117 "Yet, as a matter of fact, every book of the New Testament with the exception of the four great Epistles of St. Paul is at present more or less the subject of controversy, and interpolations are asserted even in these." Encyclopaedia Brittanica, 12th Ed. Vol. 3, p. 643 After listing many examples of contradictory statements in the Bible, Dr. Frederic Kenyon says: "Besides the larger discrepancies, such as these, there is scarcely a verse in which there is not some variation of phrase in some copies [of the ancient manuscripts from which the Bible has been collected]. No one can say that these additions or omissions or alterations are matters of mere indifference" Our Bible and the Ancient Manuscripts, Dr. Frederic Kenyon, Eyre and Spottiswoode, p. 3 The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE" Magazine dated 8th September 1957 published the following headline: "50,000 Errors in the Bible" wherein they say "..there are probably 50,000 errors in the Bible...errors which have crept into the Bible text...50,000 such serious errors..." After all of this, however, they go on to say: "...as a whole the Bible is accurate." Also Dr. W Graham Scroggie of the Moody Bible Institute, Chicago, a prestigious Christian evangelical mission, says: "..Yes, the Bible is human, although some out of zeal which is not according to knowledge, have denied this. Those books have passed through the minds of men, are written in the language of men, were penned by the hands of men and bear in their style the characteristics of men...." "It is Human, Yet Divine," W Graham Scroggie, p. 17 Another Christian scholar, Kenneth Cragg, the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem, says: "...Not so the New testament...There is condensation and editing; there is choice reproduction and witness. The Gospels have come through the mind of the church behind the authors. They represent experience and history..." "The Call of the Minaret," Kenneth Cragg, p 277 Also read more;www.religioustolerance.org/chr_hcri.htm truthman2012:GOD Almighty Said: "`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:  "See Also Deuteronomy 31:25-29 where Moses peace be upon him predicted the corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death. The Book of Moses predicted that the Law (Bible) will get corrupted. The Book of Jeremiah which came approximately 826 years after did indeed confirm this corruption To know how original bible has lost go here; http://irr.org/todays-bible-real-bible truthman2012:Satan is a great counterfeiter. He devises false teachers and false prophets (2 Peter 2:1) , false apostles with false gospels (2 Cor 11:1-15) and false miracles (2 Thess 2:9). In the end times these will combine into a powerful deception that will even seem to threaten the existence of the church itself. Bible states seven times that false miracles will mislead many (Matthew 7:21-23, 24:24, Mark 13:22, 2 Thess 2:8-12, Rev 13:13,14, 16:14,19:20) and it seems that this will involve a large section of the world's population (the Greek word for many has the connotations of a majority). Those deceived will believe that they are serving God in the name of Jesus when in fact they are "workers of iniquity". (Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV) "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. {22} "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' {23} "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Religion / Re: The Madness Of The Bible 'God' by ayenny02(m): 6:04am On May 30, 2013 |
The Falsehood will continue to be exposed till people will recognise the truth as truth and falsehood as falsehood |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus Disciples by ayenny02(m): 7:11pm On May 29, 2013 |
pointblank 321: @ ayenny02Also we read in a prophetic Hadith: Never a Prophet had been sent before me by Allah towards his nation who had not among his people (his) disciples and companions who followed his ways and obeyed his command. Then there came after them their successors who said whatever they did not practice, and practiced whatever they were not commanded to do. He who strove against them with his hand was a believer: he who strove against them with his tongue was a believer, and he who strove against them with his heart was a believer and beyond that there is no faith even to the extent of a mustard seed. [Narrrated by Muslim] pointblank 321:Muslims believe, as has been proved and accepted by fair Christian scholars, that the books of the New Testament are not the 'Injeel', the Divine Book revealed to Jesus. Rather, they are personal narrations of the life of Jesus and his disciples, written by different and mostly unknown writers, that underwent several changes and modifications reflecting the views of scribes, translators and ecumenical councils. The books of the New Testament refer to a separate 'Injeel', as in (Matthews 4:23; 26:13), (Mark 1: 14-15) (Romans 1:1-2,15-16; 11:28; 15:19) and (Corinthians 1: 5,23). Yet, according to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Muslims are told to neither accept nor totally reject the scriptures of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians; but rather to scrutinize them objectively, so as to accept only those narrations that are neither self-contradictory, nor stand against proven facts, sound logic or common sense. pointblank 321: Another misunderstanding Muslims often fall into concerns the Bible. Christian missionaries in almost every discussion of the Quran assert that the Quran asks Muslims to believe in the Bible as a revelation of God. Many Muslims tend to fall into this trap by saying that "we believe in the Bible as revealed book." Once the Muslim accepts this fact, the evangelist can point out that the Bible contradicts the Quran and that since the Bible has precedence over the Quran and since Muslims are required to believe in it, it therefore logically follows that the Bible is right and the Quran is wrong. But the Quran says no such thing. There is no reference to the Bible in the Quran whatsoever. The Quran mentions the Taurat (Old Testament) and the Injil (New Testament). The Taurat is the book given to prophet Moses. This the equivalent of the Torah/Pentateuch of the Jews and Christians, since much of it was not written by prophet Moses. And the Taurat is definitely not the Old Testament since the OT includes dozens of books attributed to other prophets before Jesus. The Injil is translated as the Gospel revealed to prophet Jesus. This is not the New Testament. The New Testament is a collection of 4 biographies of Christ, 27 epistles of St. Paul, and other books on the lives and adventures on the followers of Christ. There is no record of a book revealed to Jesus. Perhaps the closest to it are the words of Jesus himself, which constitutes less than 10% of the NT. Therefore to say that Christians changed the Bible is an inaccurate statement, and can cause trouble in a discussion, because the Christian can then ask questions such as: Who changed the Bible? When exactly was it changed? How do you know it was changed if you don't have a copy of the original? The Bible, or at least the New Testament, cannot be an altered copy of the Injil because it is a completely different book. 1 Like |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus Disciples by ayenny02(m): 7:09pm On May 29, 2013 |
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| Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus Disciples by ayenny02(m): 3:56pm On May 29, 2013 |
The Quran refers to those few people who had brought faith upon Jesus, followed him, supported him and helped him as the Hawa`riyun. These were the disciples of Jesus. This name, Hawa`riyun is especially employed for those people who followed Jesus and helped him and not for the followers of any other Prophets, although every Prophet has a Hawari (‘sincere companion’) says the Prophet Muhammad in the following Hadith: "Every Prophet has a Hawari (sincere companion), and my Hawari is Zubair" The Definition of Hawariyun Literally, the word Hawariyun is the plural of Hawariyun which means "He who whitens clothes", "He who has been appointed chosen and purified from all kinds of defects", "a companion and a helper THE NAMES OF THE HAWARIYUN Imam Qurtubi mentions that, the Hawariyun were twelve in number, but he does not give their names, except the name of the leader of the Hawariyun as Sham’oon (Simon Peter or Cephas) in the miracle of the ascension of the table, saying, "Sham’oon, the leader of the disciples, asked, "Is this food that of paradise or the food of this world?" Jesus’ reply was, "This is food specially created for you, it is neither from paradise or this world. Allah said to it, "BE," and so it was. |
| Religion / Re: "I Traveled To Mecca And Came Back To Become A Pastor" by ayenny02(m): 10:07pm On May 28, 2013 |
highyo: Note that, Jesus also appear to sandrach messach and abediniggo in the fire,JESUS himself admitted that other people can do it Matthew 12:27 27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges Also the desciples can cast out devil Matthew 7:22 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ EVEN FALSE PROPHET LIKE ADEBOYE, TB JOSHUA and CO COULD DO IT AS PROPHETISE BY JESUS Matthew 24:24 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. highyo:PLEASE CAN YOU PROVE IT TO ME HOW JESUS BECAME JEWS (LIAR) highyo: WHAT WAS RELIGION OF JESUS CHRIST? 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: "I Traveled To Mecca And Came Back To Become A Pastor" by ayenny02(m): 9:50pm On May 28, 2013 |
highyo: The Miracles of Jesus - In Biblical OrderWhat of John the Baptist maybe you forgot that he filled with holy spirit Luke 1:13-15 13 But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. 14 He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, 15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born highyo:THE SAME WAS DONE BY ElISHA AND ELIJAH Elisha fed a hundred people with twenty barley loaves and a few ears of a corn 2 Kings 4:44 44 Then he set it before them, and they ate and had some left over, according to the word of the Lord. Elisha secured the increase of a windows oil and he said to her. 2 Kings 4:7 7 She went and told the man of God, and he said, “Go, sell the oil and pay your debts. You and your sons can live on what is left. See also 1 Kings 17:16 16 For the jar of flour was not used up and the jug of oil did not run dry, in keeping with the word of the Lord spoken by Elijah Also 1 Kings 17:6 6 The ravens brought him bread and meat in the morning and bread and meat in the evening, and he drank from the brook. ELISHA HEAL LEPROSY Elisha told Naaman who was a leper to wash in a jordan river 2 Kings 5:14 14 So he went down and dipped himself in the Jordan seven times, as the man of God had told him, and his flesh was restored and became clean like that of a young boy ELISHA CAUSE A BLIND MAN TO SEE 2 Kings 6:17 17 And Elisha prayed, “Open his eyes, Lord, so that he may see.” Then the Lord opened the servant’s eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha. Also 2 Kings 6:20 20 After they entered the city, Elisha said, “Lord, open the eyes of these men so they can see.” Then the Lord opened their eyes and they looked, and there they were, inside Samaria. highyo: ELISHA RAISED THE DEAD 1 Kings 17:22 22 The Lord heard Elijah’s cry, and the boy’s life returned to him, and he lived. 2 Kings 4:34 34 Then he got on the bed and lay on the boy, mouth to mouth, eyes to eyes, hands to hands. As he stretched himself out on him, the boy’s body grew warm. EVEN THE DEAD BODY ELISHA CAN RESTORE A DEAD BODY TO LIVE 2 Kings 13:21 21 Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man’s body into Elisha’s tomb. When the body touched Elisha’s bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet ALL THESE ABOVE MIRACLE, ELISHA WAS ENTITLE TO; 1. SON OF GOD 2. TRINITY 3. GOD 4. MAN or PASTOR OF GOD 5. HOLY GHOST, etc 1 Like |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Muslims Are In Hellfire Pending Resurrection Day? by ayenny02(m): 9:06pm On May 28, 2013 |
truthman2012:because you have accepted that you bible was full of lies and contradiction, that is the reason you are looking for contradiction in Quran by all means. Dude, you don't know nothing about Quran, I repeat, nothing you don't know about Quran, you will just give yourself hypertension and high blood pressure. Quran is an arabic language and different translation, last time you argued with me on RECITE and READ, now you still bring another Issue of RESCUE and LEAVE. My Question for u now is, Do you understand Arabic Language? If your answer is no, the translation of Q19:71-72 is 71-Not one of you but will pass over it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished. This verse 71 was talking about The sirat (bridge) that Allah will lay across the hell fire for all muslims to cross over, so those muslims who do evil on earth will fall inside hell for the punishment of their evil deed and later they will come out Allah now continue with verse 72 that We shall save those pious muslim on that bridge and leave the evil doers in hell fire I.e those who fell in the hell fire 72-But We shall save those who guarded against evil, and We shall leave the wrong-doers therein, (humbled) to their knees (in hell) But if your answer is yes, will you help translate this to English Language Ma kana lillahi anyattakhitha min waladin subhanahu itha qadaamran fa-innama yaqoolu lahu kun fayakoonu 1 Like |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Muslims Are In Hellfire Pending Resurrection Day? by ayenny02(m): 10:35am On May 28, 2013 |
truthman2012:maybe you can teach me more how to write statement and question. Look at your topic very well and explain to me which one are correct below; MUSLIM ARE IN HELL FIRE PENDING THE RESURRECTION DAY? Or ARE MUSLIM IN HELL FIRE PENDING THE RESURRECTION DAY? I don't know much abt English Language becos am a yoruba man and also is not my language just other language truthman2012:I don't need to produce another hadith, go back and see my explanation abt the hadith but don't tell me that you don't see it becos you are used to it. About the Quran 19:72, I have already knwn u that you a liar, I will advice to go back to where you copied the verse and re-check it very. From verse 19:66 -72; 66-Man says: "What! When I am dead, shall I then be raised up alive?" 67-But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing? 68-So, by thy Lord, without doubt, We shall gather them together, and (also) the Evil Ones (with them); then shall We bring them forth on their knees round about Hell; 69-Then shall We certainly drag out from every sect all those who were worst in obstinate rebellion against (Allah) Most Gracious. 70-And certainly We know best those who are most worthy of being burned therein. 71-Not one of you but will pass over it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished. This verse 70 was explained by the hadith Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770 and Sahih Bukhari, volume 9, Hadith No. 532B) that when all christians, jews and idolators are all entered hell fire, it will remain all Muslims who will prostrate to God but hypocrite will not be able to prostrate and. The sirat (bridge) will be brought and lay across hell, so those muslims who do evil on earth will fall inside hell for the punishment of their evil deed and later they will come out........... 72-But We shall save those who guarded against evil, and We shall leave the wrong-doers therein, (humbled) to their knees (in hell). Who are the "ZALIMUN" from that verses Allah said WE SHALL LEAVE ZALIMUN I.e polytheists and wrongdoers THEREIN TO THEIR KNEE IN HELLFIRE |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: The Dilema Of Muslims On The Crucifixion by ayenny02(m): 9:11am On May 28, 2013 |
alexis:If you go through my post, you shud have knwn my stand. 1. The Quran Said he did not killed and not crucified (that is my stand) 2. Jesus was not the One called Eli Eli... |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: The Dilema Of Muslims On The Crucifixion by ayenny02(m): 8:33am On May 28, 2013 |
THE JEWS IN A DILEMMA: Now let us imagine the restlessness of the Jews after the soldiers brought Judas, thinking him to be Jesus. While, according to them, Jesus is in their custody, what happened to their man, Judas? Why did he not turn up to win accolades from them, for the great betrayal he committed, in order to please them. This must have greatly disturbed them. Anyway, where is Judas? The answer to this was provided to them by the other disciple, who was known to the high priest, and made possible the entry of Peter into the palace. “John 18:15 : And Simon Peter followed Jesus, and [so did] another disciple: that disciple was known unto the high priest, and went in with Jesus into the palace of the high priest. John 18:16 But Peter stood at the door without. Then went out that other disciple, which was known unto the high priest, and spake unto her that kept the door, and brought in Peter.” That other disciple sounded the high priest of what happened at the time of arrest, but since it is an unbelievable event for everyone, they wanted to elicit information from Judas and, hence, kept on enquiring Judas, whether he is really Christ. On the basis of the information provided by the other disciple, the high priest’s people tried thrice to rope in Peter for enquiry, by sending female servants to talk to him, but he craftily refused to yield. The Jews were in a terrible dilemma. 1. Now they have to kill a person who co-operated with them against Jesus. The fellow is not even trying to save himself, being unable to overcome the humiliation wrought on him by the Lord. 2. If they disclose the truth and spare Judas, they have to bear the shame of having failed to kill Jesus. So they decided to kill Judas and claimed to have killed Jesus. Now, they face another problem: How to account for the missing Judas. So, their soldiers removed Judas’ body from the grave, while everybody was observing the Sabbath - (the compulsory religious holiday on Saturdays.) Then they disfigure the face more, because that is the only thing that has the resemblance of Jesus. After this is done, he is now perfectly Judas. To account for the injury to the face and the head, they spread the news that is reported in Acts 1:18: “Acts 1:18 Now this man obtained a field with the reward of his iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.” Is it not enough that they have disfigured his head and face? What is the necessity to cut open his stomach and spread the news that: “ he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.” So that, because of the nasty stench it would produce, nobody can come near the body and notice or find out the minor injuries that Judas suffered at the cross. The cause of death should be very apparent from a distance, in order to avoid a close scrutiny by curious people. The fact that all this was done by the Jews, by bribing the watchmen or the soldiers, is recorded in Matthew 28:11 to 28:15 “Matthew 28:11: Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and informed unto the chief priests all the things that were done. 28:12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers, 28:13 Saying, Say you, His disciples came by night, and stole him [away] while we slept. 28:14 And if this come to the governor’s ears, we will persuade him, and secure you 28:15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.” And to make it appear that it was really Jesus whom they arrested and to make the people believe that Judas was roaming freely after the arrest took place, they spread the lie that he came to the temple and threw back the silver coins he received as bribe from them: “Matthew 27:5: And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.” That this verse is a total lie is borne by the fact that the other accounts talk of Judas falling headlong and his bowels gushing out. (Acts 1:18) In respect of the later events: a. at the grave where they buried Judas and b. where Jesus meets his disciples, etc. we find a lot of difference in the narration of Luke, John, Matthew and Mark, just as in respect of the earlier events. It is a waste of time counting and comparing the different and conflicting details. Hence, only those details that are important in view of the truth revealed above are mentioned. When Mary Magdalene goes to the grave; she finds that the stone covering the grave of Judas is already removed. “Mark 16:3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? 16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.” Points to be noted in the above verses: "The heavy stone was already rolled away by the soldiers of the governor". Mary Magdalene sees two angels in white sitting. (John 20:12) Just as the Muslims believe that The Almighty will provide two angels for Jesus’ descent from heaven, when he comes again, Luke 24:4 & 24:5 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: 24:5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down [their] faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? The two men in shining garments are angels, who refer Jesus as the living, and not as the resurrected. John 20:14: “And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? Whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him,” etc. Points to be noted: She saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus, because she supposed him to be the gardener. She could not recognize Jesus, because of the changed face and deemed him to be the gardener because of the simple cloths worn John 20:17 “Jesus saith unto her, touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.” Things to be noted: 1. Jesus tells her “Touch me not”. However, when Jesus meets his disciples later, he asks them to touch him and handle him, but here he forbids her. The reason: As a good Muslim, he avoids being touched by the lady. 2. Jesus says: " I am not yet ascended to my Father: "That means he knew that he was supposed to ascend only, as the Almighty had already informed him through the angel. His statement shows that he did not expect himself to die, nor resurrect, but only ascend. The same day evening, Jesus appears before his disciples and says: “Peace be unto you”, (i.e., Assalaamu Alaikum,) as a Muslim. . Luke 24:13 to 24:24 is quoted below. In this event, two disciples walking together while going to a village, are joined by Jesus. Jesus enquires them as to what they are talking and why they are sad. They narrate the whole story from being condemned to death to the vision of angels at the sepulchre. If it were Jesus who suffered all that, then he would not pretend ignorance and listen again to all that which he himself has suffered, as they think. he did not know of what happened in his absence and, hence, he is enquiring and listening to the whole story. Luke 24:13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem [about] threescore furlongs. 24:14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 24:15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed [together] and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. 24:16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. 24:17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications [are] these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad? 24:18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days? 24:19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: 24:20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. 24:22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulcher; 24:23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive. 24:24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulcher, and found [it] even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.” This is another proof that it was Judas who suffered death at the cross. Back in Jerusalem, Jesus has another session with the eleven disciples: 1. “Luke 24:36: And as they thus spoke, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and says unto them, Peace [be] unto you. 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.” Having seen the dead body of Judas, they were now 100 % sure of his death. Hence, when Jesus appears there with Judas’ face, they are terrified and affrighted and supposed that they had seen a spirit. 2. Luke 24:38: “And he said unto them, Why are you troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them [his] hands and [his] feet.” John repeats similarly in 20:20 : John 20:20: “And when he had so said, he shewed unto them [his] hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.” From the above, we can understand fully well, that Jesus’ face is not the identity of the person, at that moment, because it looked like Judas’. Hence, “Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself” and “when they saw his hands and his sides they were glad they saw the Lord ” 3. Luke 24:41 “ And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.” Fish is the only thing that a Muslim can obtain from anyone and eat. The meat of other (permitted) animals and birds should be properly slaughtered in the manner taught by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and by mentioning the name of Allah over it, while slaughtering. Hence, the other meat cannot be obtained from everybody. 4. John 20:30 “And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book.” Most important of which should be: restoration of his face, as it looked before. The Bible does provide a clue that Jesus' face was restored to its original appearance, before his ascension unto heaven. In the verse of John 21:12, which is in the context of the events just before his ascension, it is written: “ Jesus saith unto them, Come [and] dine. And none of the disciples durst ask him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.” This time, there is no need to see his hands and his feet to know that it is Jesus. Now, it is time to thank the Almighty for opening our eyes to the truth, by accepting Islam. We now know for certain that: 1. There is no God except Allah; and 2. Muhammad (peace be upon him) is a slave and a messenger of Allah and the last of the prophets, whom all the people have to follow. This has been foretold in The Bible. 3. Idols and graven images are forbidden. 4. Allah sent messengers to all nations. 5. Jesus (peace be upon him) too is a slave and a messenger of Allah, but sent only for (the lost sheep of) the house of Israel. 6. Jesus is a creation of Allah; he is not His son and has no portion whatsoever in His Sovereignty. 7. Jesus was not killed, nor crucified. It was his betrayer who was killed on the cross. The next time you see a cross, you would know that it is not a sign that relates to Jesus, but something that denotes the punishment his betrayer deserved and got. But..., should we have a memorial to commemorate the betrayer of a mighty messenger of Allah ? Qur’an: 5: 83 to 86. 83. When they listen to that which has been revealed unto the messenger, you see their eyes overflow with tears because of their recognition of the truth. They say: Our Lord, we believe; write us down as among the witnesses. 84. How should we not believe in Allah and that which has come unto us of the truth and we hope that our Lord will admit us to the company of the righteous folk. 85. Allah has rewarded them for what they said: Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the reward of the good people. 86. But those who disbelieve and deny Our signs, they shall be companions of hell-fire. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: The Dilema Of Muslims On The Crucifixion by ayenny02(m): 8:08am On May 28, 2013 |
Now Judas is caught in an unbelievable situation, which nobody else would have experienced. Even if he tells the truth, nobody will believe it, but only think him to be Jesus trying to escape death. So it is better for him that he endures whatever happens. Some verses from the Bible are quoted below, to show how Judas behaves at the trials at the high priest's place. Whenever you encounter below the name Jesus, in the biblical verses, you have to take it as Judas, so that you may understand what the people on the scene and people in the past 2000 years have failed to comprehend. John 18:19 to 18:23 18:19 “ The high priest therefore asked Jesus of his disciples, and of his teaching. 18:20 Jesus answered him, I spoke openly to the world; I always taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, where the Jews always meet; and in secret have I said nothing. 18:21 Why ask you me? ask them which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they know what I said. 18:22 And when he had thus spoken, one of the officers which stood by struck Jesus with the palm of his hand (or with a rod), saying, Answer you the high priest so? 18:23 Jesus answered him, if I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil: but if well, why smite you me? ” Thus the betrayer-in-a-dilemma Judas speaks evasively. He cannot preach what Jesus used to preach in the temple and in the synagogue. He neither has the authority nor the ability to repeat what Jesus used to preach. Anyway, he certainly cannot answer them if they question him further in religious matters. Had it really been Jesus, he would not have missed the opportunity to tell the priests of his teachings. But here, Judas evades the issue by saying: “I always spoke openly; I said nothing in secret; Ask them which heard me; they know what I said; If I spoke well, why you smite me.” etc. Matthew 26: 26:62 “And the high priest stood up, and said unto him, Answer you nothing? What is it, which these witness against you? 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest said unto him, I adjure you by the living God, that you tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God.” When some false witnesses testify against Jesus (Judas), the high priest begs Judas for an answer. But Judas remains quite. Then what the priest presses Judas to answer is not whether he is guilty or not but “I adjure you by the living God, that you tell us whether you are the Christ”. So the main question raking their brains is whether this person really is Jesus. 26:64 “Jesus said unto him, You have said: nevertheless I say unto you, Henceforth you shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Judas does not say “I am Jesus”, but lets the priest take as true what he thinks, by saying: “You have said” and then continues “Henceforth you shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of Power” instead of speaking in the first person “henceforth I shall sit at the right hand of Power.” Then they condemn him to death by holding him guilty of blasphemy. One more thing you must note now is that in this session, the process of disfiguring Judas’ face has slowly begun. 26:67 Then did they spit in his face and buffet him: and some smote him with the palms of their hands (or rods). This is quoted also in Luke 22:64. Peter, who apparently witnessed what happened at the time of arrest, follows Judas to the priest's hall, so as to see what happens to Judas. The priest's servants come and question Peter three times whether he is a disciple of that person, (deeming Judas to be Jesus), but he, naturally, denies all the three times, as predicted by Jesus. Peter who was very loyal to Jesus and had told Jesus (in Matthew 26:35) “Even if I must die with you, [yet] will I not deny thee.” had to deny the person thrice because he cannot affirm to be the disciple of Judas, whom they deem to be Jesus. Another account of the second session with the priests that took place on the day after the arrest, is given in Luke 22:66 to 68 : 22:66 : And as soon as it was day, the elders of the people and the chief priests and the scribes came together, and led him into their council, saying, 22:67 Are you the Christ? Tell us. And he said unto them, if I tell you, you will not believe: 22:68 And if I also ask [you], you will not answer me, nor let [me] go. Again, they want to know if he is Jesus. And he tells them: If I tell you (that I am Judas), you will not believe. And if I ask you (what happened to Jesus), you will not answer me, nor let me go. In the trial that takes place before the governor Pilate, again the dominant question is: Are you the Christ? And most of the time Judas says: YOU say it. (That is YOUR statement, NOT MINE.) On other occasions, he remains silent like a stone. Please refer Luke 23:3, Mark 15:2, Mark 15:5, Matthew 27:11, Matthew 27:12. Matthew 27:14. Jesus is brought for trial before another official Herod: Luke 23:8 and Luke 23:9: 23:8 And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long season, because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him. 23:9 Then he questioned with him in many words; but he answered him nothing. Poor Herod, he has been longing to witness some of the miracles that he had heard Jesus performing. But can Judas perform those miracles? On the other hand, he avoids talking straight to even somebody who is sympathetic and glad to see him, because he is not what Herod deems him to be: he is not Jesus. By talking evasively and at times refusing to talk, Judas somehow managed to avoid being found guilty by the Governor and other officials. But the Jews do not wish to lose face by retreating from the actions already taken to have Jesus killed. Hence, upon their stubborn insistence, he is condemned to be crucified. Before they take him to the cross, more injury is done to him: Mark 15:19: And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him. Matthew 27:30: And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head. Please note that after first injuring his FACE, now it is the turn of his HEAD to be injured. Judas is killed at the cross and later on buried. John does not add dramatic words to this scene of crucifixion, but quotes what could be reasonable words from the betrayer, while he dies: 1. “ I thirst! ” (John 19:28) 2. “ It is finished! ” ... and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. (John 19:30) (not the “Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit ” kind of stuff! See Luke 23:46). 10. The Bible records that Mary (pbuh), Jesus’ (pbuh) mother, was a witness to the crucifixion. John 19:25 “Now there stood by the cross of Jesus, his mother.... ” While the Bible records the reaction of every bystander and passer-by, it fails to mention the reaction of Mary (pbuh) the mother of Jesus, because there was no reaction from her worth mentioning. Since she knew that the person on the cross was not Jesus, she stood by the cross and just watched the punishment meted out to the betrayer of Jesus. Had the person on the cross really been Jesus, she would have reacted hysterically. Because it was she who bore Jesus with difficulty and delivered him with pains. No mother will be a mute spectator to such an event. Qur'an records the labour pains of Mary, while she delivered Jesus: “ And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died before this and had become a thing forgotten.” (19:23) The Bible says that Jesus addressed his mother from the cross as “ Woman! ” (John 19:26). No mean person will address his mother as “Woman! ”. It is only because the person on the cross was Judas and not Jesus (pbuh) that he addresses Mary as “ Women! ” Qur'an testifies that Jesus was kind to his mother and said from his cradle: “ And (God has made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and has not made me arrogant, unblest. ” (19: 32) And where is Jesus (pbuh) when all this happens. Jesus had predicted, in Matthew 12:40 “for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” |
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