@Benalvino
You failed. I believe this should be as a result of poor understand. I hate it when someone says what i did not say..."that God is judging the judges"? You failed to read Deuteronomy which i gave you to see how he is judging among the gods, Ps 82:1.

Deuteronomy 1:17-18
17 Do not show partiality in
judging; hear both small and great
alike. Do not be afraid of any man,
for judgment belongs to God. Bring
me any case too hard for you, and I
will hear it.

You failed. You also failed to focus on Ps 82 and refute all that i have said with the scripture. I will not tempted to reply you again. Jman respected himself while i foolishly continued.

Give me back all the sleep i lost last night cos of you.

THREAD CLOSED

truthislight:
^

lol.
guy you funny die.

But then, its the truth you stated there ^.

My brother i don tire for these people. That is a very glaring truth.

benalvino:
how can you not see it when it is in your front...

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

Look at v1 and 8. The Father is a judge, does that in any way mean that He is not God? These men are judges, does that in any way mean they are not gods? This is what you fail to understand. David quoted from the law, Lev 19:15 to show that these are men(judges). See how God is judging among the gods in De 1:17-18. He is judge, they are judges. He is God, they are gods. He called the gods and His sons and there is nothing you can do about it. Ecclesiastic 5:8 shows that they are high but he is higher than them.

In Jn 10:34-36, they became jealous of Jesus and said he is making himself a god. So told that even when the scripture was against them, they were called gods how nuch more him that God has sanctified.

If you want to reply/debunk what i have said, focus on Ps 82 and don't tell me how the sun is a false god or how there are 3 Gods are in the only true God.

benalvino:

socalled judges in heaven hahahaaha now i see how confused you are. that verse context should you its judges... corinthians shows you its talking about sacrifices to gods in terms of gods people worship... it calls them so-called gods. you no go kill me for laugh.

so you dont read in context?

question for you... why should he call some earthly men gods when they cheat against the weak in favor of the wicked? if the men are really gods in terms of GODs then why are some men not gods? you know the prince of tyre example i gave you? now i see where your confusion is coming from.

So now you know that inserting judges wherever you see gods amount to confusion just like you did not know when you professing that the Father is the only true God against 3 persons 3 Gods. Please show me where Jesus said the Father is the only true God. Would that be a difficult thing for you to do? Would you hide that scripture from somebody that wants to know the truth? The only true God for life!

For even if there are so-called
gods, whether in heaven or on
earth (as indeed there are many
"gods" and many "lords"

I see you have select the one you want to put in context. But let me bring your one-sided mind back and try to be organised 1st before you start asking too many questions.

Idols are not called judges but gods, i hope you know? He says there are INDEED gods and lords. If there are actually lords then there are gods too. The context gave you no room to insert judges, false gods or false lords here cos it will be criminal to do so.

Check your dictionary, "so called" indicates what one thinks or a personal opinion. It does not show what something is, Indeed(ie the true nature).

You must not believe. All i want you to do is to tell me who it says is the one God we all Have in v6.

benalvino:

when you dont know what verses mean or take things out of context... then you will make yeye comparison...

In Matthew 23:1-12, Jesus is denouncing the Jewish scribes and Pharisees for rejecting Him as their Messiah, in particular for their hypocrisy in elevating themselves above others with titles such as “teacher” and “master.” The Jewish teachers affected that title because they supposed that a teacher formed the man, or gave him real life, and they sought, therefore, to be called “father,” as if they were the source of truth rather than God. Christ taught them that the source of all life and truth was God, and they ought not to seek or receive a title which properly belongs to Him.

This denunciation is equally relevant for today. In no way should any person look up to, follow, or elevate a human leader in any religious or church organization above Jesus Christ. Jesus is the Head of the Church, His body, and our one and only Master and Teacher. He alone is the author of our salvation, source of comfort in difficulties and strength to live the Christian life, and the only One to whom our prayers should be directed.

Roman Catholics call their priests “father” and the pope is called “the holy father.” This is clearly unbiblical. The priest as “father” is problematic. Catholic priests are doing precisely what Matthew 23:9 condemns by allowing the term “father” in a spiritual sense be applied to them. In no sense is a priest or pastor a “spiritual father” to a Christian. Only God can cause a person to receive “spiritual birth,” therefore, only God is worthy of the title of “Father” in a spiritual sense.

you dont take one verse and throw away its context...

psalm 82 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
the above in context shows you that the gods are judges... i cant see how you will deny this facts

I did not see anything. What i saw is that God is the judge among gods. Where did you add your own?

1 Corinthians 4:14-17
New International Version (NIV)
Paul’s Appeal and Warning
14 I am writing this not to shame
you but to warn you as my dear
children. 15 Even if you had ten
thousand guardians in Christ, you
do not have many fathers, for in
Christ Jesus I became your father
through the gospel. 16 Therefore I
urge you to imitate me.

May be you condemn Paul in context.

benalvino:

Gods means judges... Lol I showed you the context and do you want more proof? Besides that the Corinthians you quote have so-called look up the meaning then you will see that he is talking about things wrongly called gods... The key is socalled.

let me ask you... Are humans god?
If yes what are we god over?

My brother am no longer interested. If you are honest, ask yourself these questions and find answers for yourself.

Those you say are the so called judges in heaven, who will they judge? Are their judgements taking place in heaven now and against who? Are the fallen angels not RESERVED for judgement?

In what way did God want to make Moses a god to pharoah?

What does it mean to live a godly life. If ye have chosen judge, then ask yourself how many people you have judged.

Go and look for the bible meaning of Godhead(Gods nature) which we possess through Christ, not the Godhead trinity o.

@benalvino
I never wish to respond to your post so that you can go on believing whatever you want but ijawkid my man say make i give im friend this ogbonge scripture make you take clear eye.

Mt 23:9
And do not call anyone on earth
father,' for you have one Father,
and he is in heaven.

this is similar to saying, "there are those that are called gods but we all have one God.

Will you tell/teach people that your biological father is a false father. Ie he is called a father but he is not actually a father. That Paul was a false father to timothy.

How about when he said, "obey your father and mother"? How will you twist this one? Abi na "Popsi" you go use change am. You have a choice to stick with the teachings of deluded people or to join us and enjoy the truth.

^^Yea i have it all. I have seen how trinity has been defeated by the truth. Let me show how we are enjoying irrefutable truth.

1 Corinthians 8:5-6
New International Version (NIV)
5 For even if there are so-called
gods, whether in heaven or on
earth (as indeed there are many
“gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for
us there is but one God, the Father,
from whom all things came and for
whom we live; and there is but one
Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom
all things came and through whom
we live.

Did you see that comparison? God matched with gods not judges. Lord matched with lords not prince. We are not dumb to compare cow leg to cow tails. We not the type that compare mango and aki hausa(tiger nut). Mango goes with mangos.

When you tell me that gods here mean judges, then it make no sense telling us their is still one God or do you want to change it to one judge. No connection, very senseless.

^^Ok.

benalvino1:

dont be biased...

May be you did not realise on time that you were rooting for the only true God, the Father as one and only God. You did well. When you are ready to name them magistrate or judges or say it is a mystery let us know.

For now you are stuck. That is how it with trinity. It does not exist. You wrong by saying that Jesus called men(Jews) gods. Read jn 10:33-36 well. No man is a god without Christ. Hmm...i hope i no confuse you there.

@anyaoku

You are still teaching this doctrine you got from "i and my Father are one." thought you wanted to do more research 1st?

benalvino:

like i said the ye are gods are difficult because you and i know that he says no God exist in heaven and earth. when you see the bible talk about other gods how they dont exist and even went on to say all the gods that have not made the heaven and earth will be destroyed... it will be hard to take the verses like the ye are gods to be gods... it might be judges or something...

but i already said that verse will pose problem... and also the ones i brought up will also pose problem for you. the thing is we should make serious research concerning this.
i also said that God have said to some men that they are not god but just a man... Jesus was in the nature God he took the form of a man. again this statement is saying man is not God... then it says to men ye are gods... this is where the confusion is and not the baal gods and sun gods.

am happy you understand where am coming from now with my argument. i will try and see how i can explain this ye are gods part though.

It is difficult for you because of what you believed be you start looking it in the bible. I hope you know you cannot put what you believe above what God said..."you are gods." yes He said it.

And there is no other God besides Him. How? In the context of worship. Look at what what JMAN wrote. That is how it is. You worship no other God besides Him.

Even if you want to make them judges, you will still have problems. You will have to identify who the Only true God is by then i will tell that "mighty God" is equal "mighty judge." whichever way you want to put it, the only true God is the Father. Jesus said it. He told us to also worship Him in truth and in spirit.

Let this mind be in you which is in Christ Jesus(mighty Judge), who being in the form of Judge.... Judges are highly respect. So we should have the mind of judges too cos we are going to judge the angels. Sense making!

Am glad you are standing strongly for the Only true God. He has no equal. Trinity does not exist in heaven, it only exist in the hearts of ignorant men. The Only true God for life!

Itsfacts:

You did not answer the question from what I saw. I have gone through the discussion and Ben has been saying anything can be called god all this time and when you say he finally agrees doesn't make sense because he was not disputing that. The place he is coming from is whether the things called god are God. Above is an example from Ben where elohim is used to call pagan gods then the next thing that follow is a word that disqualify them as gods. Like galathians 4:8 that states by nature they are not elohim. I believe you people are misunderstanding Ben. Above I saw a verse that states you are not god but a man. That statement alone will tell you that men are not god just like your friend jman says. "humans are gods"

About your recent post god can mean several things like judge magistrates etc. But there is one from me Ben and ijawkid Argument that applies only to one person apart from the father and that is actual God as a nature stated in some bible verses.

1: the ability to create
2: worthy of worship
3: existing as god

The rest are titles given to men such as judge
Etc. The above doesn't apply to anything else other than Yhwh the bible says the universe holds because Jesus and in Hebrew it says he upholds everything by his power.

How do you know that they are all judges?

@Ben

Did i insult you? Sorry o. But while i was talking about delusion, i had some people in mind. Those that told me to try again without giving me reasons why they are right or why i should try again, after i showed them scriptures that proved their doctrine wrong. That was why my response to people changed. There is nothing like malice.

Lets forget about the stones and woods that are called gods, by that i mean false gods. Which means they are not actually gods. This is not the problem.

Now there are beings that the true God recognised and called gods, Ps 82:6. "have i not said, "you are gods." Jesus reaffirmed that these beings are gods in Jn 10:34-35, "is it not written in your law, "i said, "you are gods." 35 if He called them gods, to whom the word of God came and the scripture cannot be broken.

Do you agree with them that these beings are gods or do you believe they are not actually gods?

@Shdemidemi

Rev 21:1-2, 24
And i saw a new heaven and a new earth,... 2 then i, john, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
24 And the nations of those who who are save shall walk in it light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honour into it.

Do they teach these things in our churchs? Haha! See our capital no dey for heaven. I hope this helps.

Will our brother who are still judaisers see that we are perfect in Christ?

^^hmm...Half of that can make someone to commit sweecide. I wonder if he is still alive.

@itsfacts
I have answered your question above. I believe you saw they are in harmony. One God for us is strictly One God, the Father, one Person not 3 person or 3 Gods.

Have you wondered a tree(amadioha) will respond to the request of their worshipers? Because there are gods(demons) behind the scene drawing people away from the Only True God who is the source of GODHEAD.

Benalvino:You are still hiding your confusion
with the words noun and
adjective... I have been telling you
anything can be called god but the
question is... Is it really God... That is
where the TRUE or FALSE comes in...
But you won't accept this fact. All
you do is talk about adjective... You
can go on calling dead carcas god
but every thing we do in this world
is either it is fact or not.

Am glad you now agree that anything can be called god(not enough reason though). I want to believe that accept what God said when He said, "you are gods." and that there are things/beings that are actually called gods because He said it. So what your own thought is giving you does not matter.

Now concerning True and False God. Have you heard that WE ALL HAVE ONE GOD, THE FATHER, 1Cor 8:6. He is the True God. Every person call this One person their God including Jesus, Rev 12:3. He is the one that we all(gods:including satan, demons) must worship. So if one worships any other god in the form of Satan, demons, baal, wood etc, the person is worshiping the wrong god, a False god that does not deserve worship.

He made other god for us to worship. That is how there is no other god besides Him. So He did not contradict Himself by saying, "You are gods." Context is the key.

ayoku777:

Bro you've tried enough. By now you should have known that you can't change their opinion, atleast not today. The issue is clear from scripture that the Father is not the only Elohim in the Godhead, it includes Christ (The Word) and the Church (those born of the Word). But there's a pride in man that makes even the obvious truth become argumentative. Let the Holy Spirit take over from here. I salute your resilience

Thanks bro. I don tire for them o.

God made us in His likeness so their are godlike ones but men are here saying they don't exist.

Concerning Godhead, it is the quality that belongs to God(the Father), He owns it and He gives it to His children. See it like this: You have a nature which is to smile and also have the power to give that nature to your children. So your children have the nature to smile IN THEM not that they are IN THE SMILE.

That is why Godhead is in Christ, Col 1:19, 2:9 and not that Christ is in the Godhead(trinity/men-made assumption).

Cheers.

Boomark:

I don't why you guys favour lies. I am really tired of you people. All of you(trinitarians). So God said, "I my self have said, "You are gods" in Psalm 82:6, was He speaking figuratively? Jesus even confirmed it that these people are gods in Jn 10:34-35 and you are here talking about bait and switch.

what is rubbish? Are you saying that God did not make Moses a god to pharoah as He said in Ex 7:1? Na wa o! Daddy of the house no be for mouth. As long as he keeps those privileges, his younger ones will still see as daddy. Their Papa is the main daddy of the house.

there is nothing like figurative God. Christ is God. Those who God has made Gods are Gods, Ps 82:6.

So tell us how and where 3 Gods/person became one God when bible clearly states that One God is the Father, 1Cor 8:5-6. Where did you get your own?

@anony
I still replies to the bolded cos i want to see how men are making their doctrine to supersede that of God.

@JMAN
are you typing those things with your precious time? If it is copying and pasting with free MB, free laptop and free energy no problem but if you are typing....

benalvino:

meh an excuse to dodge your contradictions... they are staring at you...

Don't worry just wait. At least anony knows that god is a noun and false is an adjective.

If i show you where God said "you are gods" and you tell me there is nothing like gods, then we have nothing to discus. I will no longer waste time with those who make their own words supersede that of God.

^^Ok. Go and learn english first...Adjectives to be precise. Or you learn from my discussion with anony if you want.

benalvino:

very biased... what do we do with the ONLY TRUE GOD statement?
what about there is NO OTHER GOD?
what about there is ONLY ONE GOD?
and many more... in fact their are up to 20 or more bible verse telling you there is only one God and no other God apart from him. there are verses that says all the gods or the nation are idols and also there are verse that says even in heaven and earth all the gods are idols and there are verses that says YHWH will destroy all the gods.

but you said noooo... ignore all those statement YHWH makes take this ones... the sun is actually god the cat is actually god... humans are actually god just that they are small and YHWH is almighty...
but that is not what the bible is teaching. you are just fighting to remove the divinity from Christ... the bible calls the father mighty God almost as equal as it calls him almighty if not more.

it boils down to why will God destroy all the gods that did not make the heaven and earth.

Go and learn about adjectives first cos your case is worse. Is it not also the only true that also said, "have i not said, you are gods" in Ps 82:6? you cannot harmonise them to understand what it means to have no other God because you don't even know the meaning of the word "God"

You don't even know why a mighty God should call another person his God(God of Gods), Rev 12:3. Instead of focusing on the God of Gods, you then started telling me the quantity of people that are called might God because you have chosen to believe a lie(Deluded). Smh!!!

You don't even know the meaning the meaning of Godhead to understand why Jesus is divine(deity of Christ). You go about making use of it just because your church told you it is 3 person in one God. Go and Learn what it means to what it means to worship God in spirit and in truth. Christ is the truth.

I chose not to reply you before because you have been influence by those have take chieftaincy title in delusion. These people that believe in church fathers are the chief and i wount waste my time searching the scripture for them so we can reason together.

You don't even know who the only true God is. Did Jesus not tell you? Or you have chosen to believe he is 3 persons- a lie fashioned by men which contradicts the word of God.

truthislight:

but you know you are lying ?

Is it possible he is not making any point ?

I just hate liars.

Smh.

Me too hate liars. Deluded liars for that matter.

They want me to believe what their mind is telling them even when they cannot differentiate between a noun and an adjective.

Mr anony:
Wrong, you've just played the classic bait and switch. We both know that David was referring to the "gods" figuratively in a song and didn't mean that they were actual gods.

I don't why you guys favour lies. I am really tired of you people. All of you(trinitarians). So God said, "I my self have said, "You are gods" in Psalm 82:6, was He speaking figuratively? Jesus even confirmed it that these people are gods in Jn 10:34-35 and you are here talking about bait and switch.

That's rubbish, so when fathers call their oldest sons "daddy of the house" and put them in charge of their younger ones, the children have really become daddies in the true sense of the word? Please stop being dubious

what is rubbish? Are you saying that God did not make Moses a god to pharoah as He said in Ex 7:1? Na wa o! Daddy of the house no be for mouth. As long as he keeps those privileges, his younger ones will still see as daddy. Their Papa is the main daddy of the house.

I think my point was clear, however I don't get how your reply answers my question. Are you suggesting that Christ is not really God but He only is figuratively God? Is that your point?

there is nothing like figurative God. Christ is God. Those who God has made Gods are Gods, Ps 82:6.

So tell us how and where 3 Gods/person became one God when bible clearly states that One God is the Father, 1Cor 8:5-6. Where did you get your own?

benalvino:

lol God of gods... yes he is the God of the idol someone makes... or the God of yahweh ben yahweh or the God of prince tyre... those people are god in the heart of some peoples... why cant you understand it? even the sun worships him. the sun to some people is god so he is the God of the sun. that means he is the God of gods... but in reality the sun is not god simple...

pharaoh never sees mosses as God... he doesn't even believe in YHWH... he believes in the sun god. Moses will be like god to pharaoh.
"you shall be as God to him" or "you shall be like god to him" to mean Moses must be a god in truth, added into the god-census to produce the forbidden count: namely, more than one. But Moses is not said to be a God without qualification, and thus is not counted as such; rather, he stands to Aaron in the same relation as God stands to His prophets: Moses speaks through Aaron, his spokesman, just as God speaks through His mouth-pieces the prophets. So you wouldn't count Moses in the god-census because he is only like God in a certain respect, he is not properly categorized as a god.

hahaha... again let me ask you... was the sun a true god? is Satan a true god? was yahweh ben yahweh true god? some people worships him. tell me one 5 true gods you know and 5 false god you know. remember in India people worship snake in Egypt they use to worship cats... are those animals true god? are they even god?

moses acts like God to pharaoh but not God... bible says YHWH did not form any or know any

At last you now agree that those idols are gods. Before you ask me whether they are true or false(adjective) gods(noun), go and read about ADJECTIVES.

It will help you know whether Satan is a god in the first place before you start looking at the kind of god he is.

A church is a church. If you put fake or true to it then you are differentiating them. A prophet is a prophet whether false or true prophet once they are doing the act of prophesying.

To all those worshipping the sun, it is a god to them. You are the one adding true and false to it. That is not their standard. To them, they have a god which is the sun and there is nothing you can do about it.

In Rev 3:12, you will see how God(the Father) is the God of Gods. The God of the mighty God. I no wan argue, just go and read.

benalvino:

david was praising God because he knows no other god.... he is praising God because God is the creator of him and the universe... He is not praising God because he is the highest of all the gods because there are no other gods.

You are still running around. Ps 103:2 says "God of gods." All i want you to tell us is if He is the God of false gods/no other gods.

moses was never called God...
Moreover, he shall speak for you to the people; and he will be as a mouth for you and you will be as God to him.

No one will be as God by just mopping. And when pharoah sees Moses as God what do you think his thoughts will give him?

Exodus 4:16
New International Version (NIV)
16 He will speak to the people for you, and it will be as if he were your mouth and as if you were God to him.

Exodus 4:16
Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
16 He will speak to the people for you. He will be your spokesman, and you will serve as God to him.

so moses was never called god...

I cant say false only you bring the only true Lord...

I have answered all your question...

and note that all the questions i asked none is deluded... if you gonna claim it is deluded you have to give reasons why.

Ok. He will not use their mouth and call him God but in there hearts and actions he will serve him as God? Very Good. Untill you know what it means to be a God, all this adjective(true, false etc) will not help.

Mr anony: Let us examine your questions

No.

Good. So those Gods are not false Gods. Ben take note.

God did not make Moses a god to Pharaoh in the same sense that God is to Moses. In fact, when you actually read Exodus 7, you won't come off with such an idea.

whichever sense you want to use, did God ever make Moses a God to Pharaoh or not?

Again you are comparing two things that are not in the same sense. For instance compare this:

"We have one president in Nigeria: Goodluck Jonathan does it mean that the president of the Performing Musicians Association of Nigeria (Charlie Boy) is a false president?"

You see how dubious your question actually is?

I never knew you know about this. When you guys dubiously inserted 3 persons in One God(where did you get this from?) against "One God, the Father" which was clearly written in 1Cor 8:5-6, where you not thinking about Goodluck then.

May be you should ask Ben to explain why other Gods/lords are all false Gods/lords cos that was why he was stuck by my questions.

@Skimpychick
thanks and amen. Our God is faithful.

@Uteh
thank you. I learnt that from this tread and its been wonderful since then.

ayoku777:

Who is God and who is Jesus? The Father is God and Jesus is God. And 'I and my Father are one' isn't the Only scripture I use to draw that conclusion that Jesus is Jehovah. You're right, that scripture is not self-conclusive in drawing that conlusion, but I used other references. Read my entire posts with an open mind, not just the one you can argue with. Thanks though, your counter opinion is also enlightening.

Apart from that "I and my Father are one" there is no other that clearly support that Jesus is Jehovah. Show me and i will raise unanswerable question(s) for it.

I can see fake prophets around...Bi... "We have one God, the Father" clearly written. These are things you should know. Don't mind those that insert 3 persons in one God, who tell you you cannot understand God, those who cannot show you where 3 persons are referred to as One God in the bible.

benalvino:

there are threads you can still join in... like the one jman and bookmark is on with me about True God, no other God, and false gods...
they always argue God is one... and Jesus is not God... when it is on their neck they will say there are different level of God and he is the almighty and jesus is mighty then other gods are little ones... they also say God is not the only true God... that other gods are true gods too when the bible says there is only one true God...

https://www.nairaland.com/1339284/polytheists-vs-trinity/12#17122442

So you are calling for help? If Anony should agree with you, then he has to pull down the walls i built with my question. I hope the bolded lie is not against me? Na so you wan make we take reason scripture?

There is rebuttal to A2 but will leave Deep to do the work.

benalvino:

Let me tell you..
The sun is god to somepeople but in real sense is the sun god? No... It is only god in the minds of those who call it their god... Same with Satan which the bible says calls him self god but he is not god.

The bible says Moses will be like god to pharoah but is moses? The word be like god to pharoad n his people explains it for you.

The bible says only one God exist.. Yes am not here to play either am only telling you that these gods are no god like the bible says.

God is not a title but nature... The bible describe God and man as 2 different natures.

Wood and carved stuffs are all FALSE gods... Including the roman emperor who elevate their selves as god just like Satan did...

Am not the one who say he will destroy all I repeat all the gods that have not created the heavens and earth... Not some but all...

Am not the one who says there are no other gods and am not the one who says he is the only TRUE God which means the other gods are not TRUE but FALSE. Am not the one who says all other gods are idols.

one of the reason human sin was because they want to be like God... The lie Satan told eve... If we are gods like some say why does she want to be like God?

And if Moses was god as some say humans are gods why will God make him like god to pharoah.

My questions has shown the world that you are teaching the doctrines of men or that you don't actually understand the deep things of what you teach.

They are simple questions so you don't need to start explaining it using the sun as god. I have answers to your questions but i can't answer them. Deluded ones have taught me a lesson. If you cannot answer my question then you cannot be taught. Go ahead with what you know and do good.