Mr Sounds of Blackness, tell us where you shopped? Who schooled you, if it wasn't South Africa? Who gave you Nigerians your favourite grocery store that you wear a suit to go to? Tell us, Black.

Just quit messing around and tell us where you shopped before South Africa came to Nigeria, will you?

all4naija:

Keep lying that Nigeria would have the 7th largest economy in the world without providing evidences to support such view.
Thank you.

How does a person say so may things and yet, say absolutely nothing? The biggest unrealized potential in the world is Nigeria. What natural blessing does the country not have? None!

And what stops Nigeria in its path to progress? Nigerians!

You're one of them. Busy pointing fingers while sitting in your ghetto country.

all4naija: There is none your country can boast of it has given to Nigeria than your likes coming here to brag and expect us to marvel and worship you.

You can't deny South Africa showed you what shopping in a mall and a supermarket was like. What cable tv and what else felt like. We've seen it and we all know it's true. South Africa gave you a shower, cut your nails and brushed your teeth. Now you wanna bite their hand cause you think you're now a big guy and stuff.

all4naija:

The fact of the matter still remains that SA would be far worse than SOMALIA without white people.

You keep saying the same illiterate rubbish, but it is Nigeria that scores high on the failed state index. Where does a nation with a high score on the failed state index get off talking about Somalia? Your brother-in-state-failure? How's your "blackness" workin out for ya?

Well, that UN report doesn't paint half the picture of Nigeria's crime story. People that work with Nigeria always have to guesstimate things because Nigerians are allergic to reliable numbers. They refuse to count 1-2-3 like normal people do. Making everyone's life difficult in the process.

all4naija: Does that now justify the crimes of your society? Please, get off this thread with your export insinuation. You are alluding to what floats your boat, mister.

Maybe it does not. But this is a Nigerian thread designed to talk about South Africa's problems. So, let's see how Nigeria fares in the things it wants to talk about. Don't chase people off the thread. Face up to the topics that you started. How many Nigerians are in foreign prisons worldwide? You did accuse nations of having high crime rates, didn't you? So, who exports criminals in Africa? Nigeria or South Africa?

all4naija: Good Terry. It means you only have little idea about the black people of that society. They are not so much different from Nigerians they blame for all manners of ill.

So what if they aren't different? That won't pull Nigeria from the dumps.

Uyi Iredia:

The problems with Nigeria are: an inefficient overly-centralised administrative structure and poor leadership. If these 2 things are solved Nigeria can take the first steps to becoming a developed nation. In any case I can say we are better of now than we were in 1998.

That, I won't argue with. What needs to be dealt with is this attitudinal problem of the country always looking at itself in relative terms. And in that way failing to spend enough time on its problems. It's always about who Nigeria is better than. This thread demonstrates that. And then you wonder why some problems fall through the cracks? No one's looking at them because all eyes are on other people's problems.

all4naija: Your point is not revealing nothing new and it is an avenue to commit. The Zimbabweans have been feeding your most professional sectors for the blacks in that society yet you are not ready to commend that than touched some alive. Xenophobia in your society is unquantifiable, my friend!

Quantifiable or not - who cares? If Nigeria wasn't such a dump, your people wouldn't be running to other countries to suffer xenophobia. Exporting your best talent (my father included) because you're dysfunctional as a country. And then you want to talk about Xenophobia. If you can't respect yourselves enough to remove yourselves from squalor, are you surprised at your treatment?

all4naija: The same can be said about your people. You can also take a look at the comments made about Mandela by some South Africans in this forum. There is nothing new about that. Everybody can not agree on the same argument from the same perspective.

SA development is the handwork of the white people. Without white people of that society SA would be far worse than SOMALIA!

Whether the same can be said of South Africa is irrelevant. South Africa did not start this thread. Nigeria did. And Nigeria is a mess, but it wants to start threads about other people. I have been to both countries; and I know that you can't hold a candle to South Africa. The moment your people leave others alone, you'll see progress. Keep talking and the truth will keep being repeated in your ears.

all4naija:

Ghanaians did it first to Nigerians.

South African blacks believing their condition is better than Nigerians is a big joke. The blacks in that society still live in squalor in their papa's land and they have some gruesome images of crimes coming out of the continent.

It is clear there is no argument here. The truth of the matter is that the development of that society is the handwork of the whites who still control over 80% of the economy. If not that, the country would have fallen into state of disrepair by now.

Yes , tit-for-tat. The point is that Ghana is now better than Nigeria. Nigeria can only blame itself for that. The failure to look inwards and this desire to spend your time in the business of others.

zetdee:

www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/adeola-aderounmu/ghana-as-the-rising-giant-of-africa.html

"As a people Nigerians have no shame at all. They have refused to ask their governments to provide the basic infrastructure and basic amenities needed to live/ lead a decent life."

And I'm only quoting the Ghana article. And when they get frustrated due to their squalor, they want to bring others down under the guise of "commentary".

all4naija: No xenophobia, no animosity for white people and attacks on foreigners on the streets and just to mentioned but a few. religion infiltration can not be labeled as crime though. So leave Boko Haram out of it. UNODC state clear there is more crime in your society than Nigerian's.

Yeah, no "xenophobia", but terror attacks and suicide bombings! No xenophobia, but deadly tribal and religious wars. No xenophobia but a deadly rebellion from the North. Who cares if it cannot be labelled a crime if it kills just the same? You need to talk less.

all4naija: South Africa is a nation developed by the white people of that society. It will be far worse than SOMALIA without the whites. PERIOD!

Who cares, really? Who cares? What is the black-"developed" Nigeria like today? You need to get to work instead of trying to make yourself feel better offa the back of others.

all4naija: You are not really getting the point here. I don't have to blame you for that. It is completely correct Nigeria is crimes ridden nation but not as SA.

This your particular comment only addresses the matter from a single aside while leaving the South African perspective on Nigerians and Nigeria in this forum. I think you don't really know what is happening here.

I hope you will have to search for threads on SA forum on what they talk about Nigerians. Please, leave me out of your sentimental mission. I am not going to be a part of that.

The only person that's not getting the point is you. The point is you can hardly point fingers and you're making everyone look bad. The point is your attitude is the first thing that meets a successful Nigerian in Nigeria - jealousy. Now you want to export this. Why? So you can feel you've cut "the bragging South Africans" down? The only thing you're cutting down is Nigeria's image. Inviting unnecessary scrutiny with your loudness - and then failing to meet your high standards.

That's the point.

all4naija: You are still very un-American to me though. You don't really look like somebody with an open mind to address matter. It is obvious that you are very good in taking sides. It is Okay for you that South Africans can come around to make mockery of Nigerians in a Nigerian forum and not right the other way round.

Please, don't quote me again, if that is your stand on this matter!

Why should I care what you think about me? You need to hear the truth so you can unshackle yourself from your bondage of jealousy. I won't side with Nigerian rubbish just because my father was born there.

all4naija: HOLY Moses, pleas, divide the red sea for us to get to Israel! It is like saying it is very safe in hell not to get burnt. Lol... With all the crimes and xenophobia in SA you said fatcats don't move with bodyguards. You must be in another SA, not the one we know of exist in Africa.

But Nigeria itself is a crime. If Nigeria weren't a crime, there's be no war from the North and there's be no war from the Delta. Busy talking about social ills when your country is a continental ill.

all4naija: There is no nation without bad sides to it.

If you know that, then clean up Nigeria's many bad sides and leave South Africa out if it. They didn't make Nigeria a ball of hateful tribalistic goo.

all4naija: When did stating facts become jealousy? I can not understand your argument here. Please, clarify us all about what you are talking about.

Denying that SA gave you civilization isn't stating facts. Your path to stating facts starts with admitting that Nigeria is a mess and that South Africa civilized you. You do that and everyone will agree that you're stating facts.

all4naija: You have origin linked to Nigeria. That you cannot deny here. My father is from Ibadan all rather Oyo as well.

I never denied it.

all4naija: What is the fuss all about when nobody care? It is very clear the inferiority among blacks as indigenous people is very high. I am beginning to understand the reason for the high animosity between one another in that society.

The fuss is about your hate, when you are perched in a lake of *** that is Nigeria. That's the fuss. Your devilish jealousy - of a sister nation that wiped your nose clean.

all4naija: Yes, you are right! South Africa will always be ahead for the simple reason of the white people of that society, not because of blacks!

And Nigeria will be behind because of its blacks. In the end, no one cares what the reason is for SA's success. It's a success story. No need to worry about it.

What matters is the reason for Nigeria's failure.

all4naija: I mean to say what part of Nigeria is your father originally from?

My father was born in Ibadan, but left as a young man, just before his 23rd birthday.

all4naija: Lol... Now you are trying to understand what I am going on about here. If you have been following my comments from the onset you would see I state things the way they are. I only respond to the title of the thread that leads to many disagreement that ensues what we are now debating about with some discourses.

The truth of the matter is the development of that society is the handwork of the white people and that must be commended as fact before any thing else. As such, many South Africans tend to shy away from it and labeled anybody who agrees with such fact as inferior and worshiping white people. That is what I cannot relate with in most of the comments that want the white people removed out of the picture.

Yes, Nigeria has a huge problems and there is no doubt about that. But, it is not what the thread is all about. It is absolutely palpable how this thread come to be with the ornery and bragging nature of most black South Africans who post on this forum.

However, there is nothing wrong talking about such thing if not that black South Africans have some skeleton to hide in their closet.

It doesn't matter who developed nations. If they're bragging it's cause you deserve it. Starting a thread like this when you live in a tree house. There isn't a single nation that doesn't have a history. Everyone owes something to colonization and conquest. Just tone down the jealousy and fix your crumbling cave.

all4naija: What part of Nigeria are you originally from?

I'm not from Nigeria.

Uyi Iredia:

Most likely they would not have the kind of First World facilities they can boast of. It shouldn't be hard for SA's to accept this. Note this doesn't mean the potential to develop without whites isn't there.

Maybe, but who cares? Every country owes its development to history. What's Nigeria done with its blackness? Kill her own?

all4naija: Hahaha... I think you have a problem with my personality than what you think about me. I belong to both colors. It is clear I don't worship colors, I am just stating facts the way they are.

He said "Africans". You're African. No problem here.

all4naija: Ya deceived, dude! I can write a 100 pages why that country is filthy as hell. It starts with its crimes.

Yeah, but Nigeria's very existence is one big crime.

TerryCarr: you Africans worship white people a Little to much

They're too used to their nations failing and they have no success around them. No wonder the skin bleaching.

all4naija: Yet, SA you are over-exaggerating its development and civilization has the worst case of HIV/AIDS rate with a small population. Do yourself some self-service hun.

The only thing that's over-exxagerated is Nigeria's place at the table of normal people. How can you speak to normal people when you have no electricity?

all4naija: Why do you think SA is also not a filthy mess?

I don't care. I care about a stinkhole pointing fingers. That's what I care about. Pointing fingers at people that showed you how to tie your shoes.