I think the very few of us have understood the essence of christianity - salvation. If we can continue with these like minds, Christianity will be restored as it was in the days of early apostles

@newmi
what actually do u learn at ce? Is it how to correct someone using abusive words or how to show ur ignorance. U must be one of ce pastors who teach rubbish to their members. How many ce pastors are in iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Gaza or even in my village?
U are the reason why some people see christianity as fake.

Common sense will tell u to help the poor around u and not those men seeking the best of homes, driving suvs, wearing customised suits, going to salons to jeri curl their hairs. These men will threaten u with the Bible if u dare mention their worldly activities. I know most of these guys supporting first fruit and tithes are pastors feeding fat on their gullible members. They are the reason why non christians see christianity as fake.

@Op
God bless u for ur understanding.
Tithing is not part of christianity, simple.

@Gombs
i will only tell u to turn away from ur worldly activities and stop worshiping a man like u. Get a Bible and pray 4 Holy Ghost's interpretation. Stop following man made teachings that will lead u astray

@Gombs
I suppose u are mature in ur supposed word of God when u were quick to conclude that men here are evil because they pointed out those worldly activities of ur supposed mog.
What will a salvation seeker get from this dominating prosperity and materialistic attitude of urs for the first time since u no longer consider ur supposed elementary word of God?

Folks, he's pretty much alive, stays in calabar the world's headquarters, hardly moves out. Once in a year pilgrims the world over visit calabar for their worship. His members call him the Father

@Gombs
do u preach repentance in cec at all? What is salvation to u? What is seeking first the kingdom of God and its righteousness?
@all cec members
can anyone of u start a thread on the teachings of pastor chris on sin and its consequences, cos i have not heard this chris talk about sin for at most 2 minutes.
Repentance which is the major thing has been relegated in this church, its prosperity, materialism all the way

@op
For u to get the answer to ur question u need to check out his fruits or his products. Check out these products: first fruit offerings, tithe teachings, setting himself as a standard neglecting the standard of christianity set by Christ, allowing his members to worship him, relegating repentance and putting forth prosperity and acquisition of materialism. Are these fruits good? 99% teachings in cec are prosperity prosperity more prosperity

Pastor chris said u are a picture of what u are taught.
I have given this a second thought and came to the conclusion that all ce members including Gombs are pictures of what they are taught at cec.

Who deleted my post

Once u are a public figure people must say something especially when u let ur hidden agenda known

naija.nig:

@free123 pls stay in your own shop. I dey my own. All i am saying is that all of you that talk bad of pastor chris are not better than him. Period. Your own sins are even more. If pastor chris is bad, he is doing it perfectly well. If He is God, he is doing it well. So mind your own biz.

what is 'talking bad of pastors'? So if u swindle someone and i stand up to correct u, i am wrong? When has it become an offence to point out someone's mistake? Just like u said, dey ur shop i dey mine. Meanwhile, why do u want to hit it large using the word that was given to u freely?

@newmi
God's love for the world is that of good and that everyone should be in peace with Him. What kind of love do u exhibit while preaching some kind of diluted word of God?

@Azibalua
narrow is the way that leads to eternal life, few are found in it but wide and broad is the way that leads to eternal condemnation and many, i mean multitude are found it.
Keep treasuring and making friend with the world claiming u are bringing the world to Christ.

@nuell2
u cant take d world for Jesus. Being a friend to the world is being in enmity with God. Jesus is coming for few people (spotless) and not the multitude u want to win for Christ

Founder of Jehova's Witness calculated the end of the world as 1914, now an article says May 21st 2011 abi Oct 2, 2011. Is the end of the world based on calculation?

I chose free123 cos i wanted free many people from the shackles of false religion

If this is how u guys are taught in ce, then i must say i am sorry for your type of christianity. U are indeed exhibiting traits typical of ce members.

He has to start another thread on toba's life if he really wants toba to answer his questions

They believe that their pastor is all knowing and infallible, that's why they usually say 'my pastor said this and that'

I think this thread is abt Santa n God and not abt toba's alleged life

U dont have to kill this guy, pls

@naija.nig
if u are planning to commercialise the word of God through the program u are trying to make a big affair, i must tell u to desist from such act because it won't bring glory to christianity.
This is the problem we face today, everyone wants to make it large, especially pastors. I think people should start normal biz instead of twisting God's word to enrich themselves

Theres a meesage titled :CONCEPT OF SIN. By pastor chris. It has all you want

I cant lay my hands on the message. Can u start a thread on it so that i can understand your take on it
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cemehere:

There are severer reasons why someone will want to talk bad against anybody. But I am sure, talking about anyone; you might have known the person to an extent in order to make a proper prescription about the person’s life in general and to be certain to any length of what you are saying. In our general living in life we have seen people who have groggiest against one another may be because of one miss understanding or the other and that leads to the attitude of either painting the person bad in the mince of people. I know that man, naturally is unstable and has a very evil heart.

Jeremiah 17:9 (New Living Translation)
9 “The human heart is the most deceitful of all things,
and desperately wicked.
Who really knows how bad it is?

The basic truth is that, the man is a product of his mind, he do what ever the mind ask him to do, be yea evil or bad. It is very difficult for the ordinary man to say no to what his mind tells him to do. Now, as long as the mind is evil, it will always send evil messages to the soul of the man, which is exactly the action the man will carry out. The nature of the ORDINARY man is evil from birth, this is as the result of the kind of life he has (SUKE). So you see, the man is not a thief because he stole, but he stole because he is a thief. That is to say, the nature of life he has inside of him is the life of a thief, which is what prompts him to steal.

What am I saying? The heart of the natural man is evil and desperately wicked. Show me a wicked man and I will tell you about the man that always seeks the down fall of a success dude despite his beautiful and strong reasons. Show me a good man, and I will tell you about the man that always want the success of those around him, how he can affect their lives positively.

The only reason why one will talk bad about someone is because he doesn’t have what he has, and the truth is, as long as he keep talking bad about him, you can’t get 10% of what he already has. I have said it several times; that it is only failures that talk bad about people and their end is always disastrous. I use to advice people, if you are in a mince where people are talking bad against any Christian or a man of God, it is as dangerous as hanging yourself in gallow if you contributed in favour of those that talking bad against the Christian or the man of God. People don’t know this truth; they think they are pouring out their mind about the bad stories they heard or see in the church of God. No man has the right to judge the church or any Christian, because Christ is the Head of the church, him, and he alone has the right to judge his church. Perhaps,


Romans 8:31-39 (King James Version)
31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or unclothedness, or peril, or sword?
36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Must people think they know more about church ministry, and whereas they know none. Every church has their own principles base on the vision God gave them. A man of God is a man that has God in him, who any Christian can be; as long as you are born again, and you are filled with God’s Spirit, that and then you have God in you, so you can be address as a man of God.

But a Pastor is a shepherd that has sheep that follows him. He is the one that symbolizes God to them and his voice alone his cheep listen to, any other voice they don’t follow. He teaches them the life style of this God they have come to know. So therefore, the same respect these flocks have toward their shepherd is what God take to himself. I wonder if a Christian doesn’t respect his pastor, how can he do what he pastor ask him to do for the sake of the kingdom work.

Finding out that some people get angry at the way CE members take Pastor Chris as. You know, what would they take him be? Is he not the person they hear from every day? Is he not their icon of success?

Don’t forget that the Christian is not an ordinary man. The Christian is a super human, because he is not born of blood, he is born of the word of God. 1peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

It will only show you’re ignorant if you will say a Christian is a man. The Christian is not a man, the Christian is God.

1John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

By the scripture above, if we are God’s little children then who are we? Are we dogs? Or Cats? No. A child is as the same as his father. If my father is God, then I am God. It’s as simple as that. Well it takes a developed mind to apprehend this truth. This is not for those who have not trained their mind in accordance to the word of God.

So what do you want to tell me that you know that the whole world should listen to you which will bring of a great impact to our up coming generation. Don’t tell me you spent the whole of your years in school studying on how you can talk bad about Christians and men of God: that means you most be very miserable.

I will like to advice, be careful the way you use your mouth to talk bad about Christians and Men of God. Well, I just feel for your future and your children. I know you will get your reward pretty soon.

@ bolded part
is this one of CE teachings? so because you are of God you are now god. so you are your father? please clarify yourself

What actually defines a man of God? We need to be wise dear
A man of GOD is one who says no to all evil practices and teachings, one who teaches people how to make heaven, one who inquires source of any donation before accepting such, one who does not go about acquiring materialism to the detriment of others, one who doesn't idolise himself, who doesn't commercialise or takes the work of God as family business etc.
When the activities of a supposed MOG are like that of a worldly man, I strongly believed it is very right to speak against those activities.
Did you mean to tell me that it is wrong to speak against what went on between CE and a man who stole some money from sheraton hotel and donated same to CE or that it is wrong to talk about Rev King and his evil activities?

What then are the teachings of Islam?

@InesQor
u can set any date for the celebration, that is not my major concern, my major concern is how it is being celebrated of which u can be a witness

Did God ask them to set the day for partying, excessive drinking, buying of expensive material things, showing off etc.
Are you saying that since God told them to set the 7th day holy, he must have told them to celebrate birth of Jesus on 25th Dec? Your logic holds no water. The questions are; did God actually order man to celebrate christmas? Was christmas celebration manmade? Did the apostles celebrate it?