BewareOf419:


But what I know is that majority of these people begging for money especially in South have more than enough

Yes yes... Cause you did an audit of their accounts and assets to come to that conclusion im sure😏

Obaranje:
abeg we don too hear all these tales by moon light.

Civil servant of 35 years in service never fit build 2 rooms and parlor na come begger go come build 2 houses.

Next person please.

The irony is that the people spewing all this daft anecdotal beer palor gists would claim to be educated.

SMH! The ignorant simply cant understand the things of the spirit. Saul was royalty and had basically v3xed YHVH so he was ulterly condemned. For every kill his life was shortened by 25percent till YHWH killed him the final kill after he had been killed previous kills.

KnownUnknown:
Why do they wear these high visibility vests?!

Same reason people use neon signs. To highlight the stupidity.

SIRTee15:


Hahaha...U gave up.
Quote what they said on the YouTube video and post it here. U are a pathetic liar.
Look at the so called pseudo atheist forming intelligent.
U dont know anything about Richard Carrier or Robert Eishenhem yet U brought them here to validate your false claim.

Bring evidence Robert Eishenhem ever claimed Jesus was invented.

Olodo

He just kept on embarrassing himself. Confident and ignorant, amazing combo.

SIRTee15:


Bring the name of the scholars here...don't show me a conspiracy junk YouTube video.
Anybody can put nonsense from their brain on YouTube but not anybody can write academic papers.

I gave U names of prominent well renowned scholars in new testamoiuent field, U reply by poting a YouTube video. Guy U funny. uin

My friend, Give me the names of new testament scholars who believe Jesus was invented by flavius family.

I want names not YouTube video

The dude is ignorant and oblivious and i honestly didn't have the energy for his contradictory, all over the place discredited arguments, with youtube sources of all sources😆. Seriously! Its like arguing with a flat earther with hubris, what's the point. Not even a theist but the arguments are so absurd like picking any random bs just to solidify a claim.

Krismas:

2......

"There is no proof that any Yeshua was crucified by the Romans for religious teachings. In fact, Gnostic scriptures like the Gospel of Barnabas claim Jesus was never crucified."

First off there's substantial proof and like i said its scholarly consensus that Jesus existed and was crucified. You are free to cite renowned modern scholars who go against this grain of thought. Tacitus, Josephus, Lucian, Mara, Pliny and the Talmud are all sources used to back this claim by scholars. The gospel of Barnabas is not taken as historically reliable or used as evidence by any respected scholars as they were written at an even much later date, (about a century l8r) than the gospels which were not even valid in the 1st place and its the usual pseudepigraphy


"There is no correlation between Yeshua and Jesus. Nothing connects the two."

This one's just the laziest assertion here. Yeshua is Hebrew/Aramaic, the Tanakh was originally written in hebrew and when translated directly to English is Joshua, however when translated to greek as can be seen in the Septuagint is rendered Iēsous.  The new testament was written in Koine greek and the name used for Jesus is Iēsous which when translated to English took the final form Jesus. From the Septuagint Yeshua/Yeoshua is Iēsous and Iēsous is Jesus. Just the trick of translation.


"Jesus is a creation of the Roman Empire, a fusion of many Greek deity figures like Prometheus, Dionysius."

Man you athiests spout as much ignorant nonsense as much as your opposites.  The above claim is basically nonsense and ill be hard pressed to find a reputable scholar put their name behind the dross. Don't you think its ironic for the roman empire to have an agenda and yet non of the "top 20 historians" were used in carrying out that agenda, think, basically rubbishes your claim. The historians listed did not mention Jesus, but their works were not focused on the Jewish region or relatively obscure religious figures. Many historians of that time period wrote on a variety of subjects, often concentrating on political and military history of the Roman Empire.

Just as biblical scholars today have areas of focus like textual crtisism, translational crtitsim, historical criticism, source criticism. Historian is not an all encompassing term. If i say I'm an engineer the next sensible question is what type. I cited those who did in my previous response and While the Testimonium Flavianum (the more extensive passage about Jesus) is partially considered to have later Christian interpolations, the reference to Jesus in relation to James in Antiquities 20.9.1 is widely regarded by scholars as authentic. Like i said its basically consensus and scholars like Bart Ehrman(my fav), Dale Allison, E.P Sanders,  James Dunn, Craig Evans are amongst many who are part of this consensus view which is based on substantial evidence and rigorous peer review.

"Gnostic accounts show that he was a pedophile, sorcerer, magus, and his so-called eucharist was his sperm which he deluded people to drink as a way of birthing his life within his followers. He was also believed to have slept with Mary Magdalene and cum in her mouth"

Make your mind up, first you say he doesn't exist and reject sources that mention him as evidence, then go back to use those same sources as evidence of him existing but in a negative light. This is some dumb & extremely daft shit, not any different from theists😄. Gnostic texts are diverse and often esoteric, reflecting a wide range of beliefs. However, mainstream Gnostic texts do not support the extreme and explicit claims mentioned here. Mainstream Gnostic texts do not contain such descriptions of Jesus and you'd be hard pressed to find reputable sources supporting daft claims. These claims are basically modern fabrications or extreme misinterpretations of Gnostic symbolism. The Talmud mentions Jesus being executed for sorcery and leading Israel astray, but there are no references to the absolute nonsense of psychedelic drugs, selling children as slaves, or being a pirate. The claim you mentioned is not supported by the actual content of the Talmud. Yet another garbage source to contradict for contradiction sake. Garbage in...

i wouldn't even bother with the last point because its the same nonsense as well, nonsense claims from garbage sources. Shouldn't have expected better from someone who argues the existence of  Jesus as at this time. The bible contradicts itself and has been disproven on various matters by sensible evidence, it doesn't need garbage claims from garbage sources to invalidate itself.

Krismas:
1. yeshua was a common name in Palestine, in the first century AD.
2. there is no proof, that any yeshua was crucified by the romans for religious teachings. infact, gnostic scriptures like the gospel of banabas claim jesus was never crucified.
3. there is no correlation between yeshua and jesus. nothing connects the two.
4. Jesus is a creation of the roman empire. a fusion of many Greek deity figures like Prometheus, Dionysius
5. gnostic account show that he was a pedophile or he sold children to slavery, sorcerer, magus and his so called eucharist was his sperm which he deluded people to drink as a way of birthing his life within his followers. he was also believed to have slept with mary magdalene and cum in her mouth.
6. earliest depictions of jesus show him holding a wand. same thing adeboye did, not too long ago, and recieved a lot of backlash by many christain critics. unaware of fact that jesus rose lazarus with a magic wand just like that adeboye brandished his service.

The other guys point is not detailed but consice and apt. Yours is just the opposite.

1. True
2. False
3. False
4. False
5. Partly false
6. False

No knowledgeable person regardless of beliefs would claim Jesus didn't exist. It's basically scholarly consensus.

CorrectionFLuid:


When nairalanders start using condescending words like kid, gen z , and laughing emojis all over the place, usually it's when they feel exposed. Sorry for hurting your feelings today.

But Seek first to understand before making assumptions and drawing conclusions. Now I'll help you end your embarrassment. Have a nice day grandpa. Hope you learnt something from this kid.

Bro your point was apt and clearly understood leave that ignoramus. Only thing worse than being ignorant is to be loudly confident and ignorant. Funny thing is agnosticism is exactly a middle ground contrary to what he said, nuance is lost on him. Yes gnostism and agnostism has to do with knowledge and theism and atheism has to do with belief. The agnostic does not commit to belief in God; maintains that God's existence is unknown or unknowable. The agnostic theist believes in God; maintains that God's existence is unknown or unknowable. The agnostic atheist does not believe in God; maintains that God's existence is unknown or unknowable. The theist or gnostic theist believes in God and claims to know for certain that God exists. The atheist or gnostic atheist does not believe in God and claims to know for certain that God does not exist. So i don't know what the ignoramus is all about. Agnosticism is a middle ground and yes it is better like u said.

ReacherSaidNoth:
Mugu, people that believe in your desert god do not fall sick and die abi?

Leave the fool. The irony's that when the daft christain falls ill he'll still go to the hospital to seek cures founded by mainly atheist and agnostics. Why not go to church, pray and leave it at that and get healed. Their god can heal selectively and randomly of which they'll still take modern medicine, but he can never provide a cure. Nonsense religions.

KnownUnknown:


Goddamn!!! I love you!

😄

Antiislaam:


you are a FOOL

Ouch! Here i thought we were becoming friends😁 but there u went getting all triggered and emotional, anyways i got time. Not surprising though its the usual m.o. Get emotional and triggered then reach in the passive aggressive bag of ad hominems, vague platitudes or stale threats of the after life, tale as old as time. Beautiful cognitive dissonance though.

Which i find extremely funny and ironic cause the "divine being" u r getting defensive and worked up over usually didn't reach into that bag during his "human life", even said not to act that way talked about something called fruits of the spirit which all seems to vanish the moment you guys get triggered😄. The hypocritical "christ like" virtues and fruits of the spirit and subjective moral standards disappear into thin air like something out of the carbonaro effect.

Got so triggered that u tried as much as possible to go on a tangent to deflect from and outright deny ur patriarch cause of connections to a similar nonsense religion , copied the vocab of a so called atheist(cause that's how simple u guys minds are, anyone who doesn't share in your particular brand of the nonsense cool aid is an atheist), cause urs is obviously limited and unimaginative, quite sad.

You get defensive about ur religion been called nonense but do the same to your religious cousins which share the same patriarch as you, same cloth, same joke of a religion. Your religious text can be used to justify any pov or perspective you want by interpreting whichever way u deem fit and its not nonsense?! Heck you guys have interpreted your texts in more than 40,000 ways with u guys at each other's necks over who's interpretation is correct claiming the others are going to hell, and its not nonsense?! Your joke of a religion can be used to justify slavery, incest, infanticide, genocide, racism, tribalism, physical discrimination, sexism and  sexual assault hypocrisy, lack of empathy and its not nonsense?!
 
Your texts contradict itself at every turn and its not nonsense?! No homogeneity as you selective choose where to adhere to and discard in your texts depending on the denomination u belong out of the 40,000+ and its not nonsense. With texts written several decades after the events they describe by people who did not experience the events and then falsely attributed to people who did and its not nonsense?!: Original manuscripts of the texts written in a lanuage not spoken by most anymore and then lost and what you have are severally redacted, edited, compiled copies of copies of copies and its not nonsense?!

You all don't even use the same bible depending on which of the sects you belong and its not nonsense?! You know what?! You are right, its not nonsense, its not just only nonsense but a hot steaming pile of shit and garbage
that deludes itself as better than other similar piles of shit and a big joke. A big unfunny joke founded on hubris and indoctrination. I wonder who's the bigger fool here😄

Antiislaam:


You don't know what comprehension is all about that's why you don't know what to say...

This is where Christianity started from, know this and have peace boy

Acts 11:26

And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

Christianity started from Antioch when people saw Christ's like in the behaviours, characters and lives of the disciples

loll! comprehension issues wrapped with stone cold ignorance. The so called jesus that christianity is modelled after i wonder which religion he practiced. Also i wonder which patriach his genealogy can be traced to according to matthew and luke. Even a retarded 5yr old with down syndrome knows christainity is an offshoot of Judaism( the tanakh/old testament/hebrew bible) which is traced back to Abraham through isaac like Islam is through Ishmael and that's fact. Claiming antioch as a selective tangent wouldn't change hard facts. It wouldn't also stop it from being nonsense like judaism and islam. Comprende smart one😁

😄😄😄

Antiislaam:


Thank God we are not followers of Abraham in Christendom or named after Abraham but followers of Jesus Christ and named after him as Christian

Comprehension issues as usual. Can't see where i mentioned followers🤦🏽. Anyways to make it clear for the "smart ones". If you can trace the origins of your religion be it followers of christ, holy or unholy spirit... whatever, back to Abraham your religion is major crap, EOD! 🤭

Antiislaam:


Quranic verses used by allah to enslaved and turn you to agents of death (eru-iku)


Quran 9:5
Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikoon (Christians and Jews) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful


Quran 8:12
I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have rejected; so strike above the necks, and strike from them every one standing."


Quran 5:51
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk


Quran 9:29
Hasan Al-Fatih Qaribullah  

Fight those who neither believe in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not embrace the religion of the truth, being among those who have been given the Book (Bible and the Torah), until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humiliated


Quran 5:33
“They shall be slain or crucified, or have their hands and feet cut off.”



Quran 2:190
Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.



Quran 2:191
And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.


Quran 9:123
Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood."


Quran 9:4
Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him



Quran 9:30
The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?


Quran 5:33
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and
strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered
or crucified.


Quran 22:19
Garments of fire have been prepared for the kuffer unbelievers. Scalding water will
be poured upon their heads to melt their skins and that which is in their bellies;
and they shall be lashed with rods of iron. If they try to escape, they shall be dragged
back and told, 'taste the torment and the Fires'.


Quran 9:29
Fight those to who the scriptures were given and do not believe in Allah ... until
they are … in absolute submission.



Quran 9:73
Make war on the kuffer unbelievers and hypocrites, and deal harshly with them.


Quran 13:40
Do they not see how we invade their lands and diminish their borders?dre


Quran 18:80
And as for the boy (I killed), his parents were Muslims and we feared lest he
should oppress them by rebellion and disbelief.


I STILL HAVE MORE TO SHOW YOU

The Abrahamic religions are one and the same. Lot's of delusional nonsense sprinkled with violence.

They're not gonna like this one boss😀

Abeg shut up! Christains and telling people how they should live their lives like ass n shit. The m0ron is decreeing and declaring blessings on people for donations but couldn't decree and declare blessings for himself.

Its just the normal incestous relationship and misogynistic treatment of women in the fabled book of stories. She was actually his sister and it was a recrring theme or motif of women being given away as some sort of commodity. Abraham did it 2ce, Isaac did it with his cousin and wife Rebekah, Lot did it with his virgin daughters and that bleeped up tale of the levite that cut his concubine nto 12 peices after she was raped. In the case of Lot and the other guy their male guests were demanded for to be raped but they were like no, dont rape the men, rape the women instead😄. bleeped up stories.

In Christianity, the belief that God heals is a foundational tenet. Many believers testify to miraculous recoveries, attributing their healing to divine intervention. However, this claim raises significant questions about the nature and scope of such healing. If God heals, why do we rely on human ingenuity to find actual cures for illnesses and diseases, sometimes eradicating them completely?Historically, mankind has faced numerous medical challenges, from plagues to pandemics with some like the black death, malaria  wiping out a not so insignificant percentage of the population. Through rigorous scientific research and medical advancements, humans have developed vaccines, antibiotics, and treatments that have saved countless lives. For instance, smallpox, a disease that once ravaged populations, was eradicated through a global vaccination campaign led by humans, not divine intervention. Polio, too, has been nearly eliminated thanks to the relentless efforts of medical professionals and researchers.

On the other hand, divine healing appears to be selective and unpredictable. Reports of miraculous recoveries are often anecdotal and lack empirical evidence. These instances can sometimes be attributed to the natural course of diseases, placebo effects, or even misdiagnosis. The randomness of these healings raises the question: if God has the power to heal, why does He do so selectively rather than providing a universal cure? Do these random healings also apply to the animals like man's medical research does, lol?! Moreover, when looking at the effectiveness of modern medicine, it becomes clear that tangible, consistent results stem from human efforts. Medical research involves understanding diseases at a molecular level, developing targeted therapies, and conducting clinical trials to ensure safety and efficacy. These systematic approaches have led to significant breakthroughs, proving that human ingenuity and perseverance are critical in combating diseases. It is also essential to see the role of probability in health outcomes.

Some individuals recover from illnesses without any clear medical explanation, which can be perceived as divine intervention, some also go through these man made treatments(which btw if man didn't create, would have died like much of the population before the cure was found) and attribute the cure to divine intervention. However, statistical variations and natural recovery processes can also account for these cases. When a large number of people are ill, a few reagardless of religious belief will recover in  ways that seem miraculous, but this can often be explained by chance and probability rather than divine will which explain why the divine will has never provided us v a universal cure despite our ever increasing number of prophets and pastors. They see visions but don't see the pandemics coming. They can heal the sick but can only heal a selective few with the plausible deniability of "belief and faith and prayer".

Why wait on science for the cure for cancer, especially as young children who know nothing are suffering its terrible effects while undergoing awful chemotherapy, why not whisper into one of the numerous prophets the cure to malaria, aids, cardiac arrest, liver failure, ebola, stroke, diabetes, kidney disease... instead of healing a select few which ironically coincides with the scientific probabilty of those health outcomes. As we continue to face new medical challenges, it is the dedication and expertise of scientists and healthcare professionals that will lead us toward solutions, benefiting humanity as a whole not "divine healing". If the efficacy of divine healing is valid why not rely on it totally when next illness shows up at your door instead of science which contradicts the divine at every step and is dominated by atheists and agnostics that seem to have more empathy to cure all despite their beliefs.

thesicilian:

Lol. I guess you're right.
The sarcasm was screaming so loud even a deaf person should have heard it.

But what really happened was one of those "Just a moment" errors where you can't modify what you've written unless you pass a captcha which then takes you back to the front page and then you modify again, click submit and captcha appears, then back to front page and so on.

It happens mate.

thesicilian:

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Guess he overrated your intelligence if u didn't get the obvious sacarsm.

🤭
Beautiful irony.

😁
This is the dumbest thing ive read this week. Btw u forgot to mention Job, perfect example😏. Funny how god couldn't just outright forgive, he had to kill his child in blood sacrifice to be able to forgive. Interesting.

Cause you're a confirmed fraudster and charlatan, big hypocrite too.

FOLYKAZE:
Matthew the apostle is not the same as Matthew the gospel writer. As a matter of fact, the cannonical gospel are pseudonym ascribe by the church father Eusebius.

On this note, the Matthew the gospel writer is simply penning down retorted tales as passed down many decades after Jesus has supposedly died. He prolly copied from Q source and gospel of Mark. None of these writers met Jesus or witnessed the incidents they wrote. One can assume they are writing theological fictions

Preach.

Dododudu:
Right from the time I have a better understanding of what religion is and the difference in every religion, I have been wanting to ask this question. Is Bible the only religious book one can easily read, comprehend and remembered because it's the only book I have seen that's been referenced/quoted always from motivational speakers, neighbors, friends, random people and above all people of other religions that have nothing to do with Bible.
This quotes or references comes from random conversations, advice, jokes, comedy, movies, and many more.

I know some might be asking how many of other religious books have I read; but not withstanding I have seen scholars of other religion that have never for once quoted or referenced anything from their religious books randomly.

Which is why the question kept coming.

A couple of simple reasons. It's the dominant and most practiced religion in the world, secondly its the religion practiced by most people speaking the most dominant language(english) in the world of which all the media forms you consume is written in, finally its the dominant religion in your locale ergo you encounter more people who tend to cite it more often, in the popular language around.
Same reason why people all over recognize actors and cite lines from movies made in hollywood than any other film industry.

fadilaMaikiriki:
How please? I don't get. Is there another use of cucumber that I don't know of. I thought cucumber is for eating. What other use are you all talking about please?

Fool

rapheal5:

Mr Truth, what's the name of this book?

That guy is spewing a lot of hot garbage. Probably got his stories from some stupid youtube vids trying to get clicks by creating a supposed interesting narrative by mixing all sorts of stories together. If you're really interested read up on Ancient Near Eastern Cultures and Religions from renowned scholars not this ignorant garbage being spewed confidently here.

johnydon22:
What if Christians provide logical explanations to this, would it change your mind?

Logic and Christianity are parallel lines😄

Two words really, contradiction & logic, so much contradiction, so little logic. Basically it contradicts itself, contradicts it's philosophy and teachings, contradicts a lot of actual history and the science of how the world works. The more logic the more it shatters what's contained in the book especially when u add context. Context of how it was compiled, translated and written, context of culture and politics, economic context, geographical context and context of the time period as well.

Well what do you expect of a book comprised of a lot of different genres, written over a period of more than a thousand years by anonymous authors passed off as popular figures, severally compiled, editied and redacted that what we have are copies of copies of copies of copies of the supposed original manusripts which are lost and were written in a different language which along the way posed serious translation issues and was then passed off as a singular book of which the contents varies depending which denomination u ask.

Its no surprise really that christains can't universally agree on its content and try to explain inconsistencies away with vague platitudes. Perfect irony really.