Naphtali44:

Eat your fraud as long as you want. When the time comes, uruegbo will rule over these lands again and you and your ooni will flee in disarray and disgrace.

When you say rule over these lands again , are you implying they ruled over "these lands" before? When did that happen please?

macof:


Lol.

I Don laugh tire

Unfortunately for you, urhobo call it "ọghẹnẹ" not "ọgaẹne"... Ẹne being "four"
I don't know what word you were trying to break down there lad

Btw, you see that "ọga" you mentioned, I hope you know it's a Yoruboid input too

Ogiene- this is certainly what it means or should be. One thing is certain, and even by that dictionary, The first meaning of the word Oghene made reference to God first then the second was the Ooni. Ogiene in this sense meant the controller of everything under the earth Eriwmin-spirit, Agbon-earth, Amen-Water, Ijuwvu-this one might mean death. I am not so sure by his writings. The primary made it clear that the first and primary purpose of that word was the almighty supreme God. When a Bini man make mention of Oghene, Ooni would naturally not come to his mind what would come to his mind is almighty God, he would have to add Uhe for it to make meaning regarding the Ooni. This clearly shows that it is what the Binis used to regard the Ooni who they later came came in contact with. And with the Ooni of Ife, it is specific, Oghene'n'Uhe means the God of Ife not the God at Ife. And it was because of his priestly role. Beyond the Urhobo and the Bini, the Etsako and The Isokos used it too, and out of these four Edo group Only the Binis used it in relation to Ife because of they came in contact with Her and you must add Uhe for it to make any meaning in relation to Ife. You can't just say Oghene and the Bini man would go thinking you are talking about the Ooni what this would only mean is that it is the Bini way of describing the Ooni of Ife who she later came in contact with
Need I say that Urhobo,Isoko Etsako relationship with Benin predate the Benin relationship with Ife as they are of the very same stock and the Urhobo name for Benin Aka predate Ibinu.
Need I say that the spread of the word Oghene among these Edo groups with ancient relationships already destroyed the fact that it was borrowed. Because only the Binis refer to the Ooni of Ife as the Oghene'n'Uhe.
It couldn't be Oga as Oga itself is a recent entry to the Bini language.

Let us see whether the Bini word Oghene mean Ooni without the addition of Uhe — as claimed by UGBE.

Oops! Bini dictionary doesn’t agree with you, UGBE — Oghene doesn’t have Uhe by itside to mean Ooni.

TAO12:
According to a renowned lexicon of the Bini language, the Bini word ɔɣɛnɛ (i.e. ọghẹnẹ) has its etymology from the Yoruba word ɔ[ɣ]ɔni (i.e. ọ[gh]ọni)

The first screenshot shows this clearly where it says: “ɔɣɛnɛ … cf. Yor. ɔɔni”

The second screenshot shows the abbreviations used and their respective meanings, to the effect that the statement “ɔɣɛnɛ … cf. Yor. ɔɔni” is equivalent to saying that:

The Bini word ɔɣɛnɛ has its etymology (cf.) from the Yoruba (Yor.), word ɔ[ɣ]ɔni(ɔɔni).

Reference:
H. Melzian, A Concise Dictionary of the Bini Language of Southern Nigeria.

Peace.
UGBE634

That is what it means ma, at least there are not less than three million Binis today, some have corrected me in the past on one or two errors, I await their correction

UGBE634:
That is what it means ma, at least there are not less than three million Binis today, some have corrected me in the past on one or two errors, I await their correction

I’m glad you agree.

TAO12:
I’m glad you agree.

I said what I wrote earlier was correct, You can reference whichever Binis you want to reference, what I have stated is the gospel truth. Etin was here a while ago and never Objected

UGBE634:
I said what I wrote earlier was correct, You can reference whichever Binis you want to reference, what I have stated is the gospel truth. Etin was here a while ago and never Objected

Well, again:

A linguist of Bini language Vs. UGBE on Nairaland.

TAO11:
According to a renowned lexicon of the Bini language, the Bini word ɔɣɛnɛ (i.e. ọghẹnẹ) has its etymology from the Yoruba word ɔ[ɣ]ɔni (i.e. ọ[gh]ọni)

The first screenshot shows this clearly where it says: “ɔɣɛnɛ … cf. Yor. ɔɔni”

The second screenshot shows the abbreviations used and their respective meanings, to the effect that the statement “ɔɣɛnɛ … cf. Yor. ɔɔni” is equivalent to saying that:

The Bini word ɔɣɛnɛ has its etymology (cf.) from the Yoruba (Yor.) word, ɔ[ɣ]ɔni (ɔɔni).

Reference:
H. Melzian, A Concise Dictionary of the Bini Language of Southern Nigeria.

Even a dense would go with the authority.

Peace.

TAO12:
Well, again:

A linguist of Bini language Vs. UGBE on Nairaland.



Even a dense would go with the authority.

Peace.

The authority itself is in line with what I have said, The authority stated there is a primary meaning. Because there is a primary meaning which means God, The Word cannot be mentioned and a Bini man would go thinking you mean the Ooni when there is a primary meaning. You have to add Uhe which he is situated in order to distinguish if it is the almighty God you are talking about or the god of Ife

What jargons are you writing for God sake?

Which authority agrees with you? Hehe!

UGBE634:
The authority itself is in line with what I have said, The authority stated there is a primary meaning. Because there is a primary meaning which means God, The Word cannot be mentioned and a Bini man would go thinking you mean the Ooni when there is a primary meaning. You have to add Uhe which he is situated in order to distinguish if it is the almighty God you are talking about or the god of Ife

Lets see whether the “authority itself is in line with what” you “have said” true true as you’ve claimed for yourself?

Where/what did the Binis get their word “oghene” from per this lexicon? From the Yoruba’s “ooni”.

Do you agree with the authority in that regards? I’d let you answer.

Does the lexicon mention that Binis regard the Ooni as Oghene? YES.

Do you agree with the authority in that regards? I’d let you answer.

Does the lexicons say Uhe must be added before the Binis regard Ooni as Oghene? NO.

Do you agree with the authority in that regards? I’d let you answer.

Who regards the Ooni as a God of (or at) Ife per this lexicon — Binis or Yorubas? Binis.

Do you agree with the authority in that regards? I’d let you answer.

Oya answer questions oo.

Peace.

TAO12:
Follow TAO12, I’d follow back. Then email me there via Nairaland.

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TAO12:


Where/what did the Binis get their word “oghene” from per this lexicon? From the Yoruba’s “ooni”.

I don't in this regards and I already gave my reasons why.

TAO12:
Does the lexicon mention that Binis regard the Ooni as Oghene? YES.

Yes but there is a primary meaning as also stated by your authority.It would only make sense, that You add n'Uhe for it to make sense,which is actually the case here.

TAO12:
Does the lexicons say Uhe must be added before the Binis regard Ooni as Oghene? NO.

Yes it so since it's not the first on the list of meanings, I have also told you, you can mention any Bini Man you know(online and offline) to come Vett this as I am a speaker of the language myself

TAO12:
Who regards the Ooni as a God of (or at) Ife per this lexicon — Binis or Yorubas? Binis.

The Binis but as a primary meaning first in reference to God which other Edo group has also but do not have it in their vocabulary In reference to the Ooni. This would only mean that the Binis later started using it for the god of Ife. And the relationship and brotherhood of these groups far predate the Benin/Ife! It would Only make sense that the word has been there since ancient times.





Peace.[/quote]

UGBE634:
I don't in this regards and I already gave my reasons why.

The question I asked and the answer (from the lexicon) was:

“Where/what did the Binis get their word “oghene” from per this lexicon? From the Yoruba’s “ooni”

Do you agree with the authority in that regards? I’d let you answer.”

So, you’re saying now that you “don’t,” but earlier you LIED that there is agreement between you and the lexicon/authority. Lol.

In any case like I had said earlier, “A linguist of Bini language Vs. UGBE on Nairaland. Even a dense would go with the authority.”

Being a reasonable being, I go with the authority—i.e. the Bini word “oghene” comes from the Yoruba word “o[gh]oni

Yes but there is a primary meaning as also stated by your authority.

The question I asked and the answer (from the lexicon) was:

Does the lexicon mention that Binis regard the Ooni as Oghene? YES.

A “definition 1” ≡/≡ (i.e. is not equivalent to) “PriMaRy mEaNinG”.

By ‘primary,’ you intend to give off the insinuation that a “definition 1” ≡ (i.e. is equivalent to) original meaning.

No that’s false. And that precisely was debunked when the lexicon makes it clear that “ɔɣɛnɛ … cf. Yor. ɔɔni”.

In other words, the Bini word “ọghẹnẹ” is derived from the Yoruba word “ọ[gh]ọni”.

Now we know the original meaning (i.e.primary meaning), viz. Ooni — according to linguistic authority.

Having said that, a “definition 1” ≡ (i.e. is equivalent to) the popular meaning.

In other words, the definition 2 (i.e. “Ooni”) of the Bini word “ọghẹnẹ” is not more primary (i.e. not more Bini) than the definition 3 (i.e. “one of the five pieces of a kolanut”). It (i.e. definition 2 for “ọghẹnẹ”) is only more popular among the Bini person of present day and time than definition 3

In sum, the lexicon doesn’t say anywhere that the 1st definition is the original/primary meaning. It actually debunks that by saying that the 2nd definition is the original meaning of the Bini word “ọghẹnẹ”.

IF you say you disagree with linguists, then that would be a separate matter. But on what basis does UGBE disagree with linguists? Lol.

It would only make sense, that You add n'Uhe for it to make sense,which is actually the case here.

False!

No where does the lexicon say that. In fact, the lexicon doesn’t use the word “Uhẹ” in the definition, yet “Ooni” was identified as the original meaning.

Yes it so since it's not the first on the list of meanings, I have also told you, you can mention any Bini Man you know(online and offline) to come Vett this as I am a speaker of the language myself

The question I asked and the answer (from the lexicon) was:

Does the lexicons say Uhe must be added before the Binis regard Ooni as Oghene? NO.

In the light of this, your answer here is clearly not only a lie, but also out of touch with the question asked.

Having said that, your comments here have just been flogged. The original meaning is given in the lexicon as “Ooni”.

The listing is thus not about which is more primarily or originally Bini than the other. Rather, it is (as any dictionary) about what is popular in the day and time.

The Binis but as a primary meaning first in reference to God which other Edo group has also but do not have it in their vocabulary In reference to the Ooni. This would only mean that the Binis later started using it for the god of Ife. And the relationship and brotherhood of these groups far predate the Benin/Ife! It would Only make sense that the word has been there since ancient times.

The question I asked and the answer (from the lexicon) was:

Who regards the Ooni as God of (or at) Ife per this lexicon — Binis or Yorubas? Binis.

I’m glad that you told the truth here that it is not the Yorubas who regard the Ooni of Ife as God. Rather it is the Binis.

However, the issue of “primary” meaning has just been trashed. The dictionary didn’t say any of that.

Instead, the primary meaning is given in the lexicon as “Ooni”.

The listing is thus not about which is more primarily or originally Bini than the other. Rather, it is (as any dictionary) about what is popular in the day and time.

Having established those, I would like you to connect the following dots & links between the Bini traditions and this specific linguistic subject:

The Edoid groups you refer to left from Benin (either during the Ogisos’ times or during the Obas’ time).

The Onóyès from IFe (sent to “Benin”) became mythologized as being from Iso (the heavens) — Ogie-n-oriso.

The sender at the other end [i.e. the king (supposedly now to be at the iso) who sent the Onóyè to “Benin”) has the title Ọ̀[gh]ọ̀ni.

Ọ̀[gh]ọ̀ni thus becomes God as a logical consequence of this Bini mythology — i.e., Ogie-n-oriso.

The aboriginal Bini word for God (of course prior to the Ogiso period) is Osa.

Think! Peace!

RedboneSmith:


Yeeeeeeaaaa. The Yoruba etymology makes more sense. Sorry

You don't have to sneak in out of the thread. Your full engagement is needed. What you call Yoruba etymology is a corrupted Benin etymology by the Yoruba. In the original Benin etymology in which Benin share the name of God almighty, Oghene, the creator of heaven and earth, with other Edoid groups such as Urhobo, Etsako, Esan etc. Reference wasn't made to Uhe or Ife.

Below is the Yoruba corrupted Benin etymology shared by your friend TAO11. Even in this corrupted form Oghene remains God almighty the creator of the sky, water, etc. Unless you want to tell me you believe the Ooni is the creator of the sky, water, etc.

In the Benin original etymology:

The entire world was filled with water, every human being were in heaven. God almighty ogiene (king of the four elements of life), or Oghene-osa decided to send his children in heaven down to earth, he asked them to choose from certain objects they are going to use when they get to earth. Every other child chose something else, it was only the first Ogiso or Oba of Benin that chose a snail shell containing earth or sand.

When all Oghene children got to earth filled with water, they were all stuck in their canoes with no place to land, then the Ogiso or Oba of Benin poured the contents of his snail shell on a spot which is present day Benin, hence the saying in Benin that Edo orisiagbo (Benin or Edo is the center of the world, where everything on earth began), it's also why early Benin believe that Oba of Benin owns all land on earth.

From the location in Benin where the sand was poured on water, the entire earth began, hence the saying that all other inhabitants are tenants to the Oba of Benin, this is the believe the Benin warrior carry with them when they ventured out to conquered other rulers and collect tributes to the Oba of Benin.

All these changed in 1897 when the British conquered Benin and Yoruba invaded Benin history and began to change the stories in their favour.

Even till today, the words

1. Edo orisiagbon (Benin is the centre of the world/earth) where everything began remains in Benin language and lexicon.

2. Oba niaotor se evbebo (Oba owns all land to Europe and beyond) remains in Benin language and lexicon. Such was the audacity of early Benin that when they first came in contact with early Europeans, they still declared that the Oba of Benin owns all land to Europe and beyond.

Your proximity to Benin from your town in Delta state is too close not to have heard any of these.

My point 2 above is a prove that when Benin came into contact with the white man in the 1400s and declared the white man land as belonging to the Oba of Benin, Benin haven't yet made contact with Ife. If Benin could declare the white man's land as belonging to the Oba of Benin, who was the Ooni or Ife that couldn't be declared Oba of Benin property.

If Benin have such veneration for Ife and Ooni before 1897, why will early Benin declare that the world began in Benin and Oba of Benin owns all land, words we still use till today.

Are you not aware that early Oba of Benin ceded all water body such as the sea, ocean, river etc to the Ogiamen or the nana or Olu of Warri.

Before 1897 the Benin people believe Oba of Benin owns everything, so much so the sea and ocean was ceded to the Olu of Warri. Ogiamen in Benin means king of all the waters on earth.

Benin history is too deep for invaders to be able to steal.

Benin history is imbedded in the Edo language, this is why when historians write fairytales from either Benin myths or history, it can easily be spotted. We use to laugh such garbage of history off until will realised that there are people outside of Benin that actually believe them.

This is not the only Benin myth of creation, there are others.

There is a saying in Benin that aghasedo, Edo yerhe. When you get to Benin, Benin is still far from you. Even those in Benin, don't fully understand, the myths, culture, traditions and history of Benin let alone someone writing gibberish from afar.

Benin was too well established in tradition and culture for the Yoruba or anyone to teach us who we are, it's the height of delusion.

So you guys believe that you need a post 1897 Ibadan influenced dictionary to tell the Oba of Benin and his people that they are Yoruba. Some people are very funny.

Yoruba and other history revisionist may have stolen and reversed many aspects of Benin history in their favour but the Edo language haven't changed and Benin history and myths are imbedded in it. If not for nairaland, most Benin don't read their history in books and writings.

The British deliberately made the trial of Oba Ovonramwen a public show of humiliation in 1897 to disabuse the minds of Benin people of their long heard believes about the Oba. Before 1897 the Oba of Benin was only second to God almighty, he was seen as God's representative on earth, God in human flesh, some still believe he is. Ife/Ooni came into Benin history after 1897.

TAO11:


Actually they have a number of conflicting creation myths.

One of them --- with the title "Iso Norho" --- specifically mentions Ife as the center of the world from where Edo, Ijaw, and Igbo left to their present location.

It talks about pouring sand over the primordial water-filled earth, about chain from heaven, etc. very similar to the Yoruba creation myth.

I will cite reference to it soon.

Modified --- see below as promised:

"The myth of the pouring sky ("Iso Norho" )

The most popular surviving non-dynastic myth of a common Edo origin is that of Iso Norho, ... .It puts the emergence of the Benin and other -speaking people in a primordial centre, Uhe, a place where problems are heaped before Oghene --- the God of creation --- ... .Uhe is said to have been occupied by Olukumi ("Yoruba" ), Igbon ("Igbo" ) and Uzon ("Ijo" ).

The myth begins by naming Oghene ( God" ) as the father of Iso ("the Sky" ), Ason ("Night" ) and Avan ("Daylight" ). Out of the three children of Oghene, only the eldest son, Iso ("Sky" ), had children; Ame ("Water" ) and Oto ("Earth" ). The children of Oto were Igbon ("Igbo" ), Olukumi ("Yoruba " and Idu ("Edo ". ... .But Oghene did not want the children to suffer undue hardship. By means of a chain he poured sand on the flood water to form dry land for their inhabitants. Thus Uhe ("i.e. old Ife" ) was formed by divine ("Oghene's" ) providence. ...

Idu's children ("Akka, Efa, Emechi" ) had to migrate from Uhe to the present site of Benin City --- then called Ubinu --- where they displaced a group of original settlers, Ivbirinwineko ("dwarfs from the spirit world" ). Memories of these original settlers are preserved in Edo songs and folklore."

Reference:
Roger Blench and Matthew Spriggs: Archaeology and Language I: Theoretical and Methodological Orientations, Taylor & Francis e-Library, 2004, pp.312-313.

RedboneSmith:


When you say rule over these lands again , are you implying they ruled over "these lands" before? When did that happen please?

Before the invasion by the songhai (yoruba and the other groups), we lived peacefully, Before the fall of the songhai empire, we had the land, after the destruction prophesied in epha, we will have the kingdom again.

theTranslator:
lol
The king of Benin is Yoruba
Their name "Benin" is from Yoruba
Itsekiri speaks Yoruboid
"Olu" is Yoruba
That stupid law has been destroyed
Their new Olu has a Yoruba mother from Ogun State
No amount of crying can change that

oga the mother is from sijuade family from IFE (osun state) not Ogun.

macof:


Lol.

I Don laugh tire

Unfortunately for you, urhobo call it "ọghẹnẹ" not "ọgaẹne"... Ẹne being "four"
I don't know what word you were trying to break down there lad

Btw, you see that "ọga" you mentioned, I hope you know it's a Yoruboid input too

I'm not surprised. Yorubas are known to stick to lies even in face of undeniable truth. 'Oga' is yoruba?, wow......how far do you intend to go with these lies?

UGBE634:
Ogiene- this is certainly what it means or should be. One thing is certain, and even by that dictionary, The first meaning of the word Oghene made reference to God first then the second was the Ooni. Ogiene in this sense meant the controller of everything under the earth Eriwmin-spirit, Agbon-earth, Amen-Water, Ijuwvu-this one might mean death. I am not so sure by his writings. The primary made it clear that the first and primary purpose of that word was the almighty supreme God. When a Bini man make mention of Oghene, Ooni would naturally not come to his mind what would come to his mind is almighty God, he would have to add Uhe for it to make meaning regarding the Ooni. This clearly shows that it is what the Binis used to regard the Ooni who they later came came in contact with. And with the Ooni of Ife, it is specific, Oghene'n'Uhe means the God of Ife not the God at Ife. And it was because of his priestly role. Beyond the Urhobo and the Bini, the Etsako and The Isokos used it too, and out of these four Edo group Only the Binis used it in relation to Ife because of they came in contact with Her and you must add Uhe for it to make any meaning in relation to Ife. You can't just say Oghene and the Bini man would go thinking you are talking about the Ooni what this would only mean is that it is the Bini way of describing the Ooni of Ife who she later came in contact with
Need I say that Urhobo,Isoko Etsako relationship with Benin predate the Benin relationship with Ife as they are of the very same stock and the Urhobo name for Benin Aka predate Ibinu.
Need I say that the spread of the word Oghene among these Edo groups with ancient relationships already destroyed the fact that it was borrowed. Because only the Binis refer to the Ooni of Ife as the Oghene'n'Uhe.
It couldn't be Oga as Oga itself is a recent entry to the Bini language.

You are right. This Benin/Ife story started during the reign of Oba Eweka 2. Before then, most Edo groups including the Urhobos used Oghene or Oghene-osa for God almighty in heaven, the creator of heaven and earth.

Oghene 'n' Uhe simply means the god of Ife people. The Uhe specifies the location he is god. There are many gods including the Oluku who was believe to be the goddess of the sea. Ogun, the god of Iron, Isangon, the god of thunder, etc.

Oghene-Osa is the God almighty in heaven all humanity prays to. Even in the dictionary they are trying to use to deceive themselves, the distinction is made.

The number 4, Ene have other significance in Benin such as the 4 market days, I am sure Benin don't share this culture with Ife/Yoruba.

Ancient Benin kingdom was far bigger than the present day Benin. Benin alliance with Ife began in 1897 after the fall of Benin, this is the reason other Edoid or ancient Benin groups are alien to the Benin/Ife relationship. It's strange to the Urhobos and other groups. It's even strange to Esan people, this is to tell you how recent the Benin/Ife connection is.

Yoruba strategies is to corrupt the source which is Benin and other Benin descendants tribes get infected with their revisionist history. But they are now getting stiff resistance from us that know our history.

TAO12:
The question I asked and the answer (from the lexicon) was:

Where/what did the Binis get their word “oghene” from per this lexicon? From the Yoruba’s “ooni”.

So, you’re saying now that you “don’t,” but earlier you LIED that there is agreement between you and the lexicon/authority. Lol.

In any case like I had said earlier, “A linguist of Bini language Vs. UGBE on Nairaland. Even a dense would go with the authority.”

Being a reasonable being, I go with the authority—i.e. the Bini word “oghene” comes from the Yoruba word “o[gh]oni

The question I asked and the answer (from the lexicon) was:

Does the lexicon mention that Binis regard the Ooni as Oghene? YES.

A “definition 1” ≡/≡ (i.e. is not equivalent to) “PriMaRy mEaNinG”.

By ‘primary,’ you intend to give off the insinuation that a “definition 1” ≡ (i.e. is equivalent to) original meaning.

No that’s false. And that precisely was debunked when the lexicon makes it clear that “ɔɣɛnɛ … cf. Yor. ɔɔni”.

In other words, the Bini word “ọghẹnẹ” is derived from the Yoruba word “ọ[gh]ọni”.

Now we know the original meaning (i.e.primary meaning), viz. Ooni — according to linguistic authority.

Having said that, a “definition 1” ≡ (i.e. is equivalent to) the popular meaning.

In other words, the definition 2 (i.e. “Ooni”) of the Bini word “ọghẹnẹ” is not more primary (i.e. not more Bini) than the definition 3 (i.e. “one of the five pieces of a kolanut”). It (i.e. definition 2 for “ọghẹnẹ”) is only more popular among the Bini person of present day and time than definition 3

In sum, the lexicon doesn’t say anywhere that the 1st definition is the original/primary meaning. It actually debunks that by saying that the 2nd definition is the original meaning of the Bini word “ọghẹnẹ”.

IF you say you disagree with linguists, then that would be a separate matter. But on what basis does UGBE disagree with linguists? Lol.

False!

No where does the lexicon say that. In fact, the lexicon doesn’t use the word “Uhẹ” in the definition, yet “Ooni” was identified as the original meaning.

The question I asked and the answer (from the lexicon) was:

Does the lexicons say Uhe must be added before the Binis regard Ooni as Oghene? NO.

In the light of this, your answer here is clearly not only a lie, but also out of touch with the question asked.

Having said that, your comments here have just been flogged. The original meaning is given in the lexicon as “Ooni”.

The listing is thus not about which is more primarily or originally Bini than the other. Rather, it is (as any dictionary) about what is popular in the day and time.

The question I asked and the answer (from the lexicon) was:

Who regards the Ooni as God of (or at) Ife per this lexicon — Binis or Yorubas? Binis.

I’m glad that you told the truth here that it is not the Yorubas who regard the Ooni of Ife as God. Rather it is the Binis.

However, the issue of “primary” meaning has just been trashed. The dictionary didn’t say any of that.

Instead, the primary meaning is given in the lexicon as “Ooni”.

The listing is thus not about which is more primarily or originally Bini than the other. Rather, it is (as any dictionary) about what is popular in the day and time.

Having established those, I would like you to connect the following dots & links between the Bini traditions and this specific linguistic subject:

The Edoid groups you refer to left from Benin (either during the Ogisos’ times or during the Obas’ time).

The Onóyès from IFe (sent to “Benin”) became mythologized as being from Iso (the heavens) — Ogie-n-oriso.

The sender at the other end [i.e. the king (supposedly now to be at the iso) who sent the Onóyè to “Benin”) has the title Ọ̀[gh]ọ̀ni.

Ọ̀[gh]ọ̀ni thus becomes God as a logical consequence of this Bini mythology — i.e., Ogie-n-oriso.

The aboriginal Bini word for God (of course prior to the Ogiso period) is Ọsa.

Think! Peace!

Fake historian get a life

Think4Myself:
Fake historian get a life

You need your own advice obviously.

Naphtali44:


I'm not surprised. Yorubas are known to stick to lies even in face of undeniable truth. 'Oga' is yoruba?, wow......how far do you intend to go with these lies?

What lies? It is not true that in urhobo four is "ẹne"
So where do you get ẹne from "Ọghẹnẹ"
And how did "ọga" come into the mix? /g/ is not /gh/

And yes. "Ọgá" is Yoruba

macof:


What lies? It is not true that in urhobo four is "ẹne"
So where do you get ẹne from "Ọghẹnẹ"
And how did "ọga" come into the mix? /g/ is not /gh/

And yes. "Ọgá" is Yoruba

Ok

Lol I'm coming back to this thread, this tao11, abi tao12 thinks she's smart.

I support no one besides truth.

tollyboy5:
Lol I'm coming back to this thread, this tao11, abi tao12 thinks she's smart.

I support no one besides truth.

How can TAO11 be smart when she has unwittingly exposed the meaning of Ooni in the Benin dictionary to mean a piece of kola use for prayers. She thought her Ooni met God in the Benin dictionary she presented.

In the Benin dictionary, Oghene when used to refer to the Ooni of Ife, is equivalent to I piece of kola that is broken into 5. Ooni is not even up to half a kola according to the Benin dictionary she presented.

She has been deceiving people here that Oba of Benin prays to the Ooni every morning, only for her own evidence to contradict her. The Oba of Benin uses a piece of kola Oghene or Ooni to pray to God. Oba of Benin doesn't pray to the piece of kola AKA Oghene AKA Ooni, he uses the kola to pray to God.

The dictionary is above, you can read it for the different meanings of Oghene, Oghene-osa.

Macof that was originally excited at what he thought was the holy grail to finally prove that Benin and Oba of Benin are Yoruba is now deflated ;

TAO12:
You need your own advice obviously.

Down bad fake historian, get a job

samuk:


How can TAO11 be smart when she has unwittingly exposed the meaning of Ooni in the Benin dictionary to mean a piece of kola use for prayers. She thought her Ooni met God in the Benin dictionary she presented.

In the Benin dictionary, Oghene when used to refer to the Ooni of Ife, is equivalent to I piece of kola that is broken into 5. Ooni is not even up to half a kola according to the Benin dictionary she presented.w deflated ;

I've read through the thread yet, but I know she's a ife propagandist quoting papers of some of my fellow Yoruba historians who told a lot of lies.

Time has come for black man to uphold the true history of themselves not supremacy propagandist

Think4Myself:

Down bad fake historian, get a job

She's not fake but very ignorant , I must say.

samuk:










It's even strange to Esan people, this is to tell you how recent the Benin/Ife connection is.

This is a major Jaw breaker my brother, Not even one of their clans can relate with it, it is not in their Orals at all when many of their clan migrated during Ewuare's reign, not even Igueben that migrated during Esigie's reign. "Na ground na he dae see yansh wey dae shit", we will see where this forgery will lead us to. Onoyiso kor, oloyesoup ni

UGBE634:
This is a major Jaw breaker my brother, Not even one of their clans can relate with it, it is not in their Orals at all when many of their clan migrated during Ewuare's reign, not even Igueben that migrated during Esigie's reign. "Na ground na he dae see yansh wey dae shit", we will see where this forgery will lead us to. Onoyiso kor, oloyesoup ni

None of the Obas up till Oba Ovonramwen have any relationship with Ife. It all started after Ovonramwen. Esan are the closest to Benin and yet they don't subscribe to the Benin/Ife relationship. Urhobo and others tribes in Delta, Rivers and other parts of the southern and middle belt region that traces their origin to Benin are not aware.

Benin/Ife relationship is strictly Oba Eweka alliance with the Yorubas to safe his throne and dynasty that the British wanted to end.

There is absolutely no evidence of Benin/Ife relationship before Oba Ovonramwen was removed by the British.

samuk:


None of the Obas up till Oba Ovonramwen have any relationship with Ife. It all started after Ovonramwen. Esan are the closest to Benin and yet they don't subscribe to the Benin/Ife relationship. Urhobo and others tribes in Delta that traces their origin to Benin are not aware.

There are more non negligible fact to prove that he is not from Ife than he is from. That of the Esans are the major Jaw breaker, to think most of their clans migrated during the reign of various Obas and don't and can't relate with it is alarming. He was at best an Edo'n'ekhue

UGBE634:
There are more non negligible fact to prove that he is not from Ife than he is from. That of the Esans are the major Jaw breaker, to think most of their clans migrated during the reign of various Obas and don't and can't relate with is alarming. He was at best an Edo'n'ekhue

My brother, don't let them deceive you. The Oba is purely Benin. What do you understand by Edo orisiaghon (Edo is the center of the world) were everything began and Oba niaotor se evboebo (oba own all the land to Europe). In the olden days, Benin believes Oba own all land including Ife. Oba osa nogievanor means Oba is only second to God. After God, next is Oba of Benin. Everyone else including the Ooni is below the Oba.

These are some of the things you look at when the Yoruba come with their fairytales.

Benin lost all these when British destroyed and conquered Benin.

samuk:


My brother, don't let them deceive you. The Oba is purely Benin. What do you understand by Edo orisiaghon (Edo is the center of the world) were everything began and Oba niaotor se evboebo (oba own all the land to Europe). In the olden days, Benin believes Oba own all land including Ife. Oba osa nogievanor means Oba is only second to God. After God, next is Oba of Benin. Everyone else including the Ooni is below the Oba.

These are some of the things you look at when the Yoruba comes with their fairytales.

Benin lost all these when British destroyed and conquered Benin.

This might be true owing to the fact that none came up with Yoruba name except with the forgery of Eweka.

samuk:


None of the Obas up till Oba Ovonramwen have any relationship with Ife. It all started after Ovonramwen. Esan are the closest to Benin and yet they don't subscribe to the Benin/Ife relationship. Urhobo and others tribes in Delta, Rivers and other parts of the southern and middle belt region that traces their origin to Benin are not aware.

Benin/Ife relationship is strictly Oba Eweka alliance with the Yorubas to safe his throne and dynasty that the British wanted to end.

There is absolutely no evidence of Benin/Ife relationship before Oba Ovonramwen was removed by the British.

I like how after seeing that nobody pays attention to your Bini revisionist campaign of turning oduduwa into a Bini Prince
You guys on this forum have unanimously decided to do away with any Ife connection at all ... Well almost unanimously
Now oduduwa is no longer a Bini Prince, Bini had no relationship with Ife