HornyTave:


Lol...
I've told you guys times without number, languages has sub dialect and general dialect.
for example, during my time in Ado Ekiti, I heard another way they say good morning which I cant even type... its either Ikere tongue or the place where the Institute of health is situated.
also Benin only has more than 10 ways kf saying good morning
Ishan has more than 5 ways of saying good morning.
Okpameri has individual languages. the way makeke will say good morning differs from uneme.

Itshekiri and Yoruba might share common tongue on some words etc, that doesnt change the fact their ancestors were from Bini.
Also languages do intermix, example, the Ishan and Anioma has many languages in common, also the Benin and Ishan has too many things in common, I might say I'm from Bini and I'm correct.
During my time in Itshekiri, many people I know has families in Ondo, mostly riverine town bordering delta...

That is culture for you, its not fixed.
what is fixed in culture are mostly State Idols, Rituals and coronation ceremony.

The Bini also founded a portion of Lagos, which the Oba of lagos presides but there are no Bini speaking group in Lagos.
you get my point??

geosegun:


I wonder why you guys like to argue blindly. Itsekiri are sub Yoruba people. The royal family and some chiefs in Benin are also Yorubas why most people/subjects and some chiefs in Binin are edo.

The itsekiri first King is first.son of the Benin Yoruba King...and history has it that they spoke Yorubas too in their palaces as official language. The itsekiri people that owns Iwere land (Warri) are Yoruboid. The real itsekiri will onfirm this without mincing words. The presence of Oni of Ife and even Obasanjo paying homage to royal stool was to indirectly pass a message across, history manupulators that they are part of the Yoruba. If Nigeria were to divide today. We are not leaving our people (Itsekiri) and few others behind unless they say otherwise.

The Yoruba influence in the cultural, political and civilisation of the subsaharan block can not be over emphasized. Look closely and.you will come to terms tha Truly the present, is the key to the past.

OGUN622:
Give us facts he is yoruba not cock and bull stories, subject kill you there!

geosegun:


Facts are there in history books. I don't want to believe you are too lazy to read some? I sorry, I may not be able to spoonfeed you at this point. Many thanks for your understanding.

Also, below is the response you mentioning Lagos...

The Benin did not found Lagos. The King of.Benin being a scion of the the Yoruba King from Ife was simply accepted as the prince with Yoruba blood and was automatically respected and allowed to lord over the Yoruba people already farming in the area. At the time, there was no ruler or king who could mediate between the people/farmers as at the time.

For example, there was a prince of Oyo whose father was captured as a slave to Brazil. The Yoruba slaves (many) automatically accepted him as their leader in Brazil. The slave master have no option than to treat him as such as he automatically commands respect from his people. He was described as a master strategist. He even helped in wars and was really good.and respected. Such are the attributes of a typical Yoruba. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A2ndido_da_Fonseca_Galv%C3%A3o

This was easy for him to be recognized as a leader because he is among his own people. If the Royal scion of Benin are not Yorubas. I can bet you you such will never happen in itsekiri and Benin and Eko (Lagos). Think about it.

OGUN622:
Ok I have two questions for you,(1)how did your Oranmiyan take over Benin since your history said he was invited if he was invited.

(2) how was he able to communicate with the people on ground since he was not Bini

(3) what would have warranted his invitation since they would not be able to communicate with him

(4)also were the People tired of ruling themselves to go for a total stranger who can't communicate with them in the first place ( the Oba's tale of Izoduwa sound better here since communication and oneness should be a factor for invitation

(5) will they have willingly surrendered since he was Yoruba and they were Binis ( opposition would have be more since there were no history of conquest and they would have prevailed, why would the general Binis have supported him against the Ogiamen if they don't think he is one of them, most times if not all when Other tribes come to rule and dominate a foreign land, it is usually by conquest.

the Binis were men of war and valour. we conquered you guys and the name of your state Eko is intelligible in Benin meaning war camp, and many of your quarters have the same exact naming pattern of the Esan tribe of Edo not close exact! "Idumu"

They are the only tribe who use that pattern oral
tale which can be distorted will not fly when there are pointers very
strong and deadly ones at that you guys only bullied your Oba into Denial he knows his history. Tribes of coward

geosegun:

Stop living in denial. You can never rewrite History - I told you, not until recently, Yoruba Language was the official lingua franca in the Benin (ile Ibinu) Royal palace. Hence that should be quite easy for you to understand how the highly valued Binin people were ruled. That should answer you question as I believe that you are a young man of good wisdom?

HornyTave:
Owo has no Benin relationship yet they use the Ada and Eben in their coronation
their King's coronation as same as the Igue festival of Benin...

HornyTave:
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Even Owo has Benin ancestry and part of Ado - Ekiti.
•••

the same Yoruba tribe that was named by Fulanis some few hundred years ago is chest beating...

Bia sef, apart from the ragtag fulani invasion you guys managed to pend, which other war did your mighty Yoruba fight??

though the ass whooping the Fulanis gave you guys in Ilorin is still fresh.
Lol. chest beaters

EKABA691:
Ologbo is cognate for Yeai group of languages for cat, not everything was borrowed igbos have it too, cat is one of the oldest animal on earth, if Edo don't have it then she is probably not a member of the Yeai group of languages

This is the way, it is pronounced in Benin Ologbose with the E facing down like in Ene and with a stretch, Just like in Iyase, that "Se" there is just to emphasize the other word properly "Iyase-na me try pass" then in the case of "Ologbose" it is stressing the size of the "Ologbo" meaning cat in Essense with Ologbose it is big cat or leopard as he has said Ultimately meaning an Henchman, a backbone someone who can be seen as not so obvious but all the same so powerful

macof:


2. So much talk about Ologboṣerè, yet if asked to give its meaning in Bini you wouldn't be able to.
Even at first look, you can recognise the n-l palatalization which is a signature of yoruba language.
Anyone correct me if that exist in other Volta-Niger languages

Ologboṣerè can be derived from Oní ògbo ṣe èrè/ire = "the wielder of the two-edged sword prospers/does a good thing"

macof:

Good submission but the problem I see here as to why it is likely not a shared proto-YEAI is that "Ológbò" (as it is in Yorùbá) looks very much like a contraction of Oní Ogbò. And it is "Onogbo" in Urhobo..Ẹlẹ́dẹ̀ is another animal name that looks like such a contraction.. I will even add "Ẹlẹ́yẹ" although nowadays it is simply "ẹyẹ".. Establishing that it is not rare to name animals like this in Yoruba
Not even in Igala are these animal names present including "Ologbo", in Igala it is "Obala" which may be cognate with another Igbo word for cat nwabil

macof:

Also for clarity's sake isn't it "Iyasẹ" or "Iyasẹrẹ" and "Ologboṣere" because I didn't quite understand your explanation on the pronunciation there

macof:

Although I'm not saying the title ologbosere is yoruba

TAO11:

Am I the only who think you Bini revisionists do suffer from partial amnesia apart from your delusions and other chronic mental health problems????

Your comment in this regard was originally that Owo and Ado-Ekiti have Benin ancestry — see your own words embedded below.
You want to now change mouth from “ancestry” to “relationship” because I set you ablaze with evidence.

Now ask yourself a genuine question, say: “Am I well?”

As regards relationship, are you aware that Owo lies in the eastern Yorùbá frontier and as such is bound to have had early commercial and political contacts with Benin kingdom leading to cultural borrowings??? Are you aware??

As for the Àdá & Abẹ̀rẹ̀ (which you Bini fraudsters have managed to now corrupt to Ada & Eben), this is likely to be one of Owo’s borrowings from Benin.

However, I will demonstrate in due course with very shocking (for you) evidences that Benin obtained the insignias from Ile-Ifẹ̀.

Oh your own version is Fulani not Hausa. .

Well, whichever version of lies you hold on to, death has paid your delusions a visit today. Struggle all you want.

The delusion that the name “Yoruba” was Christened by Hausas or by Fulanis (and accepted by Yorubas) is worth receiving medal for the joke of our century.

Why? Because there is no atom of historical evidence for it. On the contrary, historical & linguistic evidence shows clearly that:

(1) The word “yoruba” (or any twist one gives it) has no meaning whatsoever in Hausa or Fulfude.

(2) The name “Yoruba” has been our name since prior to the 1600s — i.e. since the 1500s (if not earlier).

(3) The etymology of the name “Yoruba” as passed by traditions down to present time is that it comes from our indigenous words with a beautiful meaning that makes one glow with pride.

Well, you’re just being yourself — an ignoramus. By the way your own Benin traditions admits that the name “Benin” comes originally from Yorubaland.

Yorubaland is not one kingdom. If Yoruba fought its precolonial neighbors as one unit, that would be as bringing a machine gun to a cane fight.

Each of the several freeborn independent kingdoms of Yoruba operated with a fair degree sovereignty. As such each fought its enemies alone — except in rare cases such as the Yoruba civil war which is probably the longest in the history of civil wars in the world.

In any case, two example of the wars fought by the Yorubas is as attached in the screenshot below.


Rather than educate you that the case of Ilorin is one of the Yorubas (and some non-Yoruba elements, viz. Hausa, Fulani, Nupe, etc.) staging a “coup” to seize Ilorin’s control/ownership from Oyo; I would rather ask that you explain to us when parts of Benin kingdom got ceded to the “Emirate” as shown in the second attachment below.

Peace!
Cc: theTranslator, musiwa10, Poiu11, FairlyUSEDpussy, Efewestern, geosegun, googi, nisai, rhektor

TAO11:

Am I the only who think you Bini revisionists do suffer from partial amnesia apart from your delusions and other chronic mental health problems????

Your comment in this regard was originally that Owo and Ado-Ekiti have Benin ancestry — see your own words embedded below.
You want to now change mouth from “ancestry” to “relationship” because I set you ablaze with evidence.

Now ask yourself a genuine question, say: “Am I well?”

As regards relationship, are you aware that Owo lies in the eastern Yorùbá frontier and as such is bound to have had early commercial and political contacts with Benin kingdom leading to cultural borrowings??? Are you aware??

As for the Àdá & Abẹ̀rẹ̀ (which you Bini fraudsters have managed to now corrupt to Ada & Eben), this is likely to be one of Owo’s borrowings from Benin.

However, I will demonstrate in due course with very shocking (for you) evidences that Benin obtained the insignias from Ile-Ifẹ̀.

Oh your own version is Fulani not Hausa. .

Well, whichever version of lies you hold on to, death has paid your delusions a visit today. Struggle all you want.

The delusion that the name “Yoruba” was Christened by Hausas or by Fulanis (and accepted by Yorubas) is worth receiving medal for the joke of our century.

Why? Because there is no atom of historical evidence for it. On the contrary, historical & linguistic evidence shows clearly that:

(1) The word “yoruba” (or any twist one gives it) has no meaning whatsoever in Hausa or Fulfude.

(2) The name “Yoruba” has been our name since prior to the 1600s — i.e. since the 1500s (if not earlier).

(3) The etymology of the name “Yoruba” as passed by traditions down to present time is that it comes from our indigenous words with a beautiful meaning that makes one glow with pride.

Well, you’re just being yourself — an ignoramus. By the way your own Benin traditions admits that the name “Benin” comes originally from Yorubaland.

Yorubaland is not one kingdom. If Yoruba fought its precolonial neighbors as one unit, that would be as bringing a machine gun to a cane fight.

Each of the several freeborn independent kingdoms of Yoruba operated with a fair degree sovereignty. As such each fought its enemies alone — except in rare cases such as the Yoruba civil war which is probably the longest in the history of civil wars in the world.

In any case, two example of the wars fought by the Yorubas is as attached in the screenshot below.


Rather than educate you that the case of Ilorin is one of the Yorubas (and some non-Yoruba elements, viz. Hausa, Fulani, Nupe, etc.) staging a “coup” to seize Ilorin’s control/ownership from Oyo; I would rather ask that you explain to us when parts of Benin kingdom got ceded to the “Emirate” as shown in the second attachment below.

Peace!
Cc: theTranslator, musiwa10, Poiu11, FairlyUSEDpussy, Efewestern, geosegun, googi, nisai, rhektor

Think4Myself:

Get a life madam

FairlyUSEDpussy:
[s][/s]

No......
U sure grow up u lying Bini bimbo......

Think4Myself:

I'm sorry but nobody can take you seriously, not with your username

Lol......
The joke is on u already mr liar........

FairlyUSEDpussy:


Lol......
The joke is on u already mr liar........

Think4Myself:

Get a life Yoruba simp

FairlyUSEDpussy:


Go back to school or check a dikko to understand dat bloody illiterate bini.......

Stop disgracing yo ancestors. .....

TAO11:

Am I the only who think you Bini revisionists do suffer from partial amnesia apart from your delusions and other chronic mental health problems????

Your comment in this regard was originally that Owo and Ado-Ekiti have Benin ancestry — see your own words embedded below.
You want to now change mouth from “ancestry” to “relationship” because I set you ablaze with evidence.

Now ask yourself a genuine question, say: “Am I well?”

As regards relationship, are you aware that Owo lies in the eastern Yorùbá frontier and as such is bound to have had early commercial and political contacts with Benin kingdom leading to cultural borrowings??? Are you aware??

As for the Àdá & Abẹ̀rẹ̀ (which you Bini fraudsters have managed to now corrupt to Ada & Eben), this is likely to be one of Owo’s borrowings from Benin.

However, I will demonstrate in due course with very shocking (for you) evidences that Benin obtained the insignias from Ile-Ifẹ̀.

Oh your own version is Fulani not Hausa. .

Well, whichever version of lies you hold on to, death has paid your delusions a visit today. Struggle all you want.

The delusion that the name “Yoruba” was Christened by Hausas or by Fulanis (and accepted by Yorubas) is worth receiving medal for the joke of our century.

Why? Because there is no atom of historical evidence for it. On the contrary, historical & linguistic evidence shows clearly that:

(1) The word “yoruba” (or any twist one gives it) has no meaning whatsoever in Hausa or Fulfude.

(2) The name “Yoruba” has been our name since prior to the 1600s — i.e. since the 1500s (if not earlier).

(3) The etymology of the name “Yoruba” as passed by traditions down to present time is that it comes from our indigenous words with a beautiful meaning that makes one glow with pride.

Well, you’re just being yourself — an ignoramus. By the way your own Benin traditions admits that the name “Benin” comes originally from Yorubaland.

Yorubaland is not one kingdom. If Yoruba fought its precolonial neighbors as one unit, that would be as bringing a machine gun to a cane fight.

Each of the several freeborn independent kingdoms of Yoruba operated with a fair degree sovereignty. As such each fought its enemies alone — except in rare cases such as the Yoruba civil war which is probably the longest in the history of civil wars in the world.

In any case, two example of the wars fought by the Yorubas is as attached in the screenshot below.


Rather than educate you that the case of Ilorin is one of the Yorubas (and some non-Yoruba elements, viz. Hausa, Fulani, Nupe, etc.) staging a “coup” to seize Ilorin’s control/ownership from Oyo; I would rather ask that you explain to us when parts of Benin kingdom got ceded to the “Emirate” as shown in the second attachment below.

Peace!
Cc: theTranslator, musiwa10, Poiu11, FairlyUSEDpussy, Efewestern, geosegun, googi, nisai, rhektor

geosegun:


I wonder why you guys like to argue blindly. Itsekiri are sub Yoruba people. The royal family and some chiefs in Benin are also Yorubas why most people/subjects and some chiefs in Binin are edo.

The itsekiri first King is first.son of the Benin Yoruba King...and history has it that they spoke Yorubas too in their palaces as official language. The itsekiri people that owns Iwere land (Warri) are Yoruboid. The real itsekiri will onfirm this without mincing words. The presence of Oni of Ife and even Obasanjo paying homage to royal stool was to indirectly pass a message across, history manupulators that they are part of the Yoruba. If Nigeria were to divide today. We are not leaving our people (Itsekiri) and few others behind unless they say otherwise.

The Yoruba influence in the cultural, political and civilisation of the subsaharan block can not be over emphasized. Look closely and.you will come to terms tha Truly the present, is the key to the past.

The Benin did.not.found Lagos. The King of.Benin being a scion of the the Yoruba King from Ife was simply accepted as the prince with Yoruba blood and was automatically respected and allowed to lord over the Yoruba people already farming in the area. At the time, there was now ruler or king who could.mediate between the people as at the time.

For.example, there was a prince of.Oyo.that was calturr as a slave to Brazil and was automatically accepted as.their King in Brazil. He even helped the Europeans.in ward and.was.really.good.and respected. This was easy for.gim.to be recognized as a.leader because he was a prince among his own people. If the Royal scion of.Benin are not.Yorubas. I can bet you you such will never happen in itsekiri and Benin and Eko (Lagos). Think about it.

OGUN622:
Ok I have two questions for you,(1)how did your Oranmiyan take over Benin since your history said he was invited if he was invited.

(2) how was he able to communicate with the people on ground since he was not Bini

(3) what would have warranted his invitation since they would not be able to communicate with him

(4)also were the People tired of ruling themselves to go for a total stranger who can't communicate with them in the first place ( the Oba's tale of Izoduwa sound better here since communication and oneness should be a factor for invitation

(5) will they have willingly surrendered since he was Yoruba and they were Binis ( opposition would have be more since there were no history of conquest and they would have prevailed, why would the general Binis have supported him against the Ogiamen if they don't think he is one of them, most times if not all when Other tribes come to rule and dominate a foreign land, it is usually by conquest.

the Binis were men of war and valour. we conquered you guys and the name of your state Eko is intelligible in Benin meaning war camp, and many of your quarters have the same exact naming pattern of the Esan tribe of Edo not close exact! "Idumu"

They are the only tribe who use that pattern oral
tale which can be distorted will not fly when there are pointers very
strong and deadly ones at that you guys only bullied your Oba into Denial he knows his history. Tribes of coward

EKABA691:
in Igbo it is even beyond that they also have another which is Nwamba. But the one that seem to be widespread and a constant among these groups are NwaOlogbo, Onogbo, Ologbo



it is Iyase just as you dotted it above in the first one the "re"is not added with it, in pronunciation and in spelling it is certainly itsekiris corruption of the pronunciation, the same with Ologbose as an added source you can watch how the Bini chiefs in Invasion 1897 produced by Lancelot Imasuen. pronounced it and how severally they called him Ologbose the leopard.

I don't think it is because the word Ologbo,-Edo Yoruba , Nwologbo-Igbo, Onogbo-Urhobo as can be seen from the screenshot below already shows to be that the name Obala and Nwobili evolved later due to their shared relationship, proximity and culture, it is safe to say that Obala an Nwobili is certainly something more streamlined to the relationship between these two, and with the widespread of Ologbo which also means cat in all the language with varying variations.

Ologbo seems to be Older than the presence of the other two.

lifeisgood12:
lol you know the name eko only applies ot lagos island right?. Modern day lagos state is made up of parts of ogun state. Most of modern lagos state were either controlled by ijebus, oyo or awori. A simple search in google maps will show the name "eko" refers to lagos island.

geosegun:
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why most people/subjects and some chiefs in Binin are edo.
•••

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The King of Benin, being a scion of the the Yoruba King from Ife was simply accepted as the prince with Yoruba blood and was automatically respected and allowed to lord over the Yoruba people already farming in the area. At the time, there was no ruler or king who could mediate between the people as at the time.
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Think4Myself:
Get a life madam

TAO11:
What is the root-cause of your agony?

Think4Myself:

Your stupidity and bigotry

TAO11:

You’re in agony and sorrow because of my comments. Wawu!

Well, you will be in agony and sorrow for a long time, lad — because I won’t stop flogging your lying kinsmen.

Na cane be crase-man food, dem must to continue to chop am.

I’m not sorry for you. Buhaha!

Think4Myself:

[s]Get a life is all I ask of you
After that you can get a job[/s]

TAO11:

Can you explain to us why you project your life reality on others?? Buhaha!

Think4Myself:
Man, I can tell you're depressed as hell