Olu317:
Luwabi is a fiction if indeed there is critical analysis on such personality.

Have you read his history given in the book? It doesn't seem so to me.

You can't say that categorically unless you first read what you're doing a critique of. That's the logical thing.

The Luwabi's histories given in that book don't look like a fiction to me. They're too detailed to be merely regarded as such.

Even the histories of Ifa, Afri (I suppose Africa got its name from him), and many other people in the book don't look like fictions to me also (even though I'm yet to read similar accounts from other sources except the book), because of the etimologies of some names given in the book and the level of details.

The level of details is deep.

A001:

Have you read his history given in the book? It doesn't seem so to me.

You can't say that categorically unless you first read what you're doing a critique of. That's the logical thing.

The Luwabi's histories given in that book don't look like a fiction to me. They're too detailed to be merely regarded as such.

Even the histories of Ifa, Afri (I suppose Africa got its name from him), and many other people in the book don't look like fictions to me also (even though I'm yet to read similar accounts from other sources except the book), because of the etimologies of some names given in the book and the level of details.

The level of details is deep.

It seems you abandoned the regular superstitions and religions for Otem’s fables. The only thing Otem has over you is better education, creative writing skills, and access to digital libraries.

By your logic, any sufficiently detailed work of fiction has to be true.

By the way, this message is from the wheel within the wheel.
I ascended when the virgin tamed the lion and had an audience with The One. I was sent by Khepri and Re, the predecessors of Atum.

KnownUnknown:


It seems you abandoned the regular superstitions and religions for Otem’s fables. The only thing Otem has over you is better education, creative writing skills, and access to digital libraries.

By your logic, any sufficiently detailed work of fiction has to be true.

I ascended when the virgin tamed the lion and spoke to the one. I was sent by Khepre and Re, the predecessors of Atum.

Your posts on many issues on Nairaland are mostly bereft of logic, critical thinking, and deep thinking. So, when you quote me in this manner to make a fool of yourself in public like you always do, I'm not surprised.

Only a fool or someone deficient in intellect or sight won't recognize a great book when he sees it.

If you think one random guy will just formulate the content (histories) in that book with such depth as fables and invent a new language that looks like a natural language, then you obviously need to have your brain checked.

Before quoting my posts all about like a jobless fellow, I expect you'll first do a critical review of what you're commenting about (as some of us already did few years back) and check the Seriot language Otem says the revelations were sent to him in by Atum.

(He claims your god, Allah, Olohun, and other gods and goddesses around the world communicated with each other in that language billions of years ago.)

But I'm sure you're afraid to check the language because it's the work of the devil because you know when the literature becomes read by many people, especially the youth, they'll abandon your religion for critical thinking (use of the brain). Lols.

Anything not written by or about your fictitious Jesus is a work of the devil.

Your moniker shows your great level of confusion and folly.

Apart from copying and pasting your JW tripe all about on Nairaland like a programmed slave or robot, I don't see any meaningful contributions you make to topics.

A001:

Your posts on many issues on Nairaland are mostly bereft of logic, critical thinking, and deep thinking. So, when you quote me in this manner to make a fool of yourself in public like you always do, I'm not surprised.

Only a fool or someone deficient in intellect or sight won't recognize a great book when he sees it.

If you think one random guy will just formulate the content (histories) in that book with such depth as fables and invent a new language that looks like a natural language, then you obviously need to have your brain checked.

Before quoting my posts all about like a jobless fellow, I expect you'll first do a critical review of what you're commenting about (as some of us already did few years back) and check the Seriot language Otem says the revelations were sent to him in by Atum.

(He claims your god, Allah, Olohun, and other gods and goddesses around the world communicated with each other in that language billions of years ago.)

But I'm sure you're afraid to check the language because it's the work of the devil because you know when the literature becomes read by many people, especially the youth, they'll abandon your religion for critical thinking (use of the brain). Lols.

Anything not written by or about your fictitious Jesus is a work of the devil.

Your moniker shows your great level of confusion and folly.

Apart from copying and pasting your JW tripe all about on Nairaland like a programmed slave or robot, I don't see any meaningful contributions you make to topics.

Okay, I’ll relay what you said to Khepri and Re so they can inform Atum.

KnownUnknown:


Okay, I’ll relay what you said to Khepri and Re so they can inform Atum.

More and more confusion...

A001:

More and more confusion...

Not only do you see through glasses darkly, you also have a severe case of cataracts.

KnownUnknown:


Not only do you see through glasses darkly, you also have a severe case of cataracts.

You're just derailing the thread. Please, stop quoting me.

A001:

You're just derailing the thread. Please, stop quoting me.

Yes I’ll stop. You obviously can’t withstand the light of Chaos that generated the Revered Lord (Domino Reverad)

KnownUnknown:


Yes I’ll stop. You obviously can’t withstand the light of Chaos that generated the Revered Lord (Domino Reverad)

You'd have to find people that believe in your Domino Reverad (if they exist) because even a commenter with a low IQ will understand my stance on God's existence from my past comments and my signature.

Keep making a fool of yourself. When you're tired, you'll find something meaningful to do with your time.

This is my last response to you on this matter.

A001:

Have you read his history given in the book? It doesn't seem so to me.

You can't say that categorically unless you first read what you're doing a critique of. That's the logical thing.

The Luwabi's histories given in that book don't look like a fiction to me. They're too detailed to be merely regarded as such.

Even the histories of Ifa, Afri (I suppose Africa got its name from him), and many other people in the book don't look like fictions to me also (even though I'm yet to read similar accounts from other sources except the book), because of the etimologies of some names given in the book and the level of details.

The level of details is deep.

The book were reviewed,and had seen the book being analysed.

Secondly,I have found myself in different scholars class,which discussed renowned personalities in Yoruba land. So,I can say some about Luwabi as non existence as human figure.

Thirdly, I stated the historical king list in Ijebu Ode where Luwa or Oluwa existed as a divine king whereby his descendant linked biologically to Odua came from Ileife to be made a king after arrival in Ijebu ode. There is no such figure or king acknowledge as Oluwabi except God Almighty. Plainly,the name is an attribute of godliness. Peradventure,you have knowledge of where his descendants live in Yorubaland then shoot.

Fifthly, every crown wearing especially beadedcrownsarewelldocumentedinIleifeevenamongthehouses-clans,so there is no hidden places for falsification. Thesedifferent towns founders are well documented.


Fifthly, Orunmiela is not a man stated in Professsor Oluwole Sophie as seemingly compared to Socratesas I had stated earlier and did not die. He categorically stated it.The same Orunmiela is identified as Ifa,ikin,ela,oyigiyigi,oyigi etc.


Sixthly, Professor Oluwole's is obviously not from esoteric angle because she picked figurative expression as conclusion on Orunmiela's identity.

Infact, she actually thought,orunmiela being called son of stone is same as Socrates's father,whereas same book eji ogbe which she made reference, is also stated that orunmiela is the mighty stone in the deep sea.

Therefore I do not have anything against a renowned Professor on her conventional written book for students to gain some knowledge from but for these students to use such book as a point of contact with Orunmiela as a mere philosopher is false.

The same orunmiela posited in some Ifaodu corpus, that he ate up death and can not die. This is a personality who openly stated mysterious things, which are not human.

If you talk about big bang theory, the spirit being spoke about it. If you talk creation from theological angle, orunmiela , the small, unseenable personality talk about it.

Seriously,it is a child play to compress orunmiela into a tiny angle.

A001:

You'd have to find people that believe in your Domino Reverad (if they exist) because even a commenter with a low IQ will understand my stance on God's existence from my past comments and my signature.

Keep making a fool of yourself. When you're tired, you'll find something meaningful to do with your time.

This is my last response to you on this matter.

Interesting signature. Very ironic considering the nature and beliefs of those who love to label themselves “freethinker”. This one labels himself freethinker then depends on revelations as a source of knowledge. Looking at your signature and your posts, you’re probably Otem but definitely not a physicist. Unless you’re a physicist the same way Dtruthspeaker is a lawyer.

Olu317:
Late Professor Sophie Oluwole goofed on such comparison. But what can we do about it ? Nothing but to correct such.

People often writes as soon as they have little acquisition of Ifaodu knowledge, so no big deal. Meanwhile Socrates, was a bloody human being compared with spirit being. Socrates who was e'en far lesser in term of achievement as compared to odua !
Anyway it is stated in Ifaodu stanza
ifá pè
ẹni mọni ni nṣé ni
ọyẹ̀kú nlọ padaba s'alẹ̀ odò
adifá fún aridegbè tií nṣé elerè ọṣun
ọṣun òtòrò ẹ̀fọn
o kó'rè lẹyìn o dé yọyọ

Transl: ifa says
an individual who knows another hurt such easily
oyeku goes to hunt a dove down the riverside
cast divination for aridegbe who was a true devotee of risha osun
oshun the mighty risha whose strength is more than Buffalo
Cometh with abundant blessing and goodness.

Can you recommend any books on ifa?

Crystyano:




I don't have to consider Odu or any character that some yorubas talk about as a real person except such yorubas can actually determine how Odu or any other character like that existed as a real person



Period

In as much as you think, you do not have to accept such as having identifying human figure in the esoteric knowledge of Ifaodu, then no need to compare a Greek with human Creator in Yoruba religion aswell as beingacknowledge in Christian transliterated ancient Hebrew religion and Arab's Islam.

Meanwhile, uncountable towns are mentioned in Yoruba's ifaodu, in which there is an odu, that birthed such towns.

In reality, names of Yoruba towns founded by kings, princes,etc are divined if priests are part of the kings or princes entourage to the said land. So, do not think it is a child play.

Perhaps if you're a Yoruba personality ,then your own town do have a founding odu in Ifaodu to make it stands. If you think, certain group of Yoruba ancestry did not do such then ,you must be funny.

Both Christianity and Islam cannot determine Yoruba's worldview because the knowledge being proclaimed in the world came through Yoruba doctrine.

Cheers

KnownUnknown:


Can you recommend any books on ifa?

There are different books but for a start, pick up book such as sixteen cowries by Bascom, then books from Wande Abimbola(Professor, a renowned Ifa priest). May be you can pick sixteen great poem of Ifa from professor Wande Abimbola.

Let me clearly state here that real ifa devotees are the one called ọmọlúìwabi,simply because of perfection or having attributes of God found in mankind without any form of of pride,hatred, bitterness In as much as you want to walk the line,then prepare for it.

Furthermore, learning Ifaodu is interesting and beautiful to behold. So, Ifaodu is knowledge of God documented in Yoruba worldview as well as being memorised by Yoruba's Western oriented Scholars Ifaodu elite and not some professors who documented Yoruba history from Ifaodu and turn around to condemn the same source.

We called these people, "àwọn irọ́ gun orí'gi,irọ́ pee/pin" "Transl: False climbs atop of atree to be ended"

A001:

Every human is a spirit being. By spirit, I mean the second aspect of a human being in his/her dual nature (flesh and spirit — a kind of wave from the scientific angle).

There's no need to hide information from people any longer in today's information age as our forefathers used to do with their deities (gods and goddesses), treating them as objects of great mystery, too great to referred to as a human, so as to make others fear these entities.

Today, anyone that's well read as regards Yoruba culture and history knows all gods and goddesses worshipped as a deity in Yoruba (and even all cultures around the world) were humans that existed in various forms (human species) in the past.

For instance, the early settlers on this planet in Yorubaland were Olohun, Osun, Oya, Yemoja, and the likes, all of which are humanoids (giant human-like entities) who molded early humans in their image as their slaves or worshippers.

The same thing applies to all cultures around the world, including Ibo, Israel, Arab, and others. Each culture as its own unique gods and goddesses that created early humans in that part of the world.

But some of these humanoids also reincarnated as homo erectus and homo sapiens.

Before the homo erectus and homo sapiens eras, there are many pieces of evidence in various parts of the world showing a race of ancient humanoids or aliens had existed on this planet some billions of years ago.

These are gods worshipped as God today in various world's religions. They're advanced beings or higher beings or early beings.

Thanks to great books like Otem's, the one shared above, and many other resources online, it's now known that all the entities worshipped as a deity around the world, including Yorubaland, Arab, etc. are the ancestors of early humans.

Olohun is the ancestor of Yorubas, just like Allah and Jehovah are the ancestors of Arabs and Israelites respectively with each claiming the title of God.

That these entities are human-like beings is quite clear if one examines their human-like traits in Yoruba oral cultures, Qur'an and the Bible respectively.

Deities worshipped as òrìṣà in this part of the country, for instance, were great humans that did something profound, historic, and unforgettable for their people, who deified them and started worshipping them.

Òrìṣà like Obatála or Òrìṣànla, Orúnmìla, Odua, and the likes all existed as a human.

The term, òrìṣà, itself means Ẹni ti orí ṣà dá yatọ si awọ́n ẹ́lẹ́gbẹ́ rẹ̀ iyoku in full. This shows all the òrìsàs are deified humans.

Quite interesting and rich but not all you stated are correct.

I have seen Ifaodu priests who actually share same beliefs with you which I had disagreed with at a point in time because these dual names do not meaning the same personalities .

If someone bore or bears orunmiela does not mean,he is the second in command or part of complexity of Almighty God because the earthly personality died while heavenly never died.

Itis a fact that, Corpus in Ifaodu differs from your interpretation as you had linked all the different era of humanoids on earth until this present time. At times interpreters of corpus,create problems due to emotion and not being vast.

Creation from Yoruba theological angle falls within biblical names such Adam and Hawa(adàmọ ati ẹwa ) . Accordingly Obatala is said in some odu to create human beings from redsoil or earth. While in another account orunmiela did all creation with HIS Complex personality.

Olu317:
Quite interesting and rich but not all you stated are correct.

I have seen Ifaodu priests who actually share same beliefs with you which I had disagreed with at a point in time because these dual names do not meaning the same personalities .

If someone bore or bears orunmiela does not mean,he is the second in command or part of complexity of Almighty God because the earthly personality died while heavenly never died.

Itis a fact that, Corpus in Ifaodu differs from your interpretation as you had linked all the different era of humanoids on earth until this present time. At times interpreters of corpus,create problems due to emotion and not being vast.

Creation from Yoruba theological angle falls within biblical names such Adam and Hawa(adàmọ ati ẹwa ) . Accordingly Obatala is said in some odu to create human beings from redsoil or earth. While in another account orunmiela did all creation with HIS Complex personality.

Interesting. About Luwabi's existence or non-existence, I don't know whether he actually existed as a statement of fact.

But based on the histories I read in Otem's book, there's a strong possibility he really lived in the ancient past and played key roles in development of writing (on leaves) in ancient Yorubaland according to the book.

It's all a possibility for now until I find sufficient evidence for or against his existence.

Olu317:
In as much as you think, you do not have to accept such as having identifying human figure in the esoteric knowledge of Ifaodu, then no need to compare a Greek with human Creator in Yoruba religion aswell as beingacknowledge in Christian transliterated ancient Hebrew religion and Arab's Islam.

Meanwhile, uncountable towns are mentioned in Yoruba's ifaodu, in which there is an odu, that birthed such towns.

In reality, names of Yoruba towns founded by kings, princes,etc are divined if priests are part of the kings or princes entourage to the said land. So, do not think it is a child play.

Perhaps if you're a Yoruba personality ,then your own town do have a founding odu in Ifaodu to make it stands. If you think, certain group of Yoruba ancestry did not do such then ,you must be funny.

Both Christianity and Islam cannot determine Yoruba's worldview because the knowledge being proclaimed in the world came through Yoruba doctrine.

Cheers

I don't care about what any group of Yoruba ancestry did or never did



I don't care about what you consider as yoruba doctrine

I don't care about what you consider as yoruba worldview

Olu317:
Please reread I clearly posited that it was an insult on Yoruba worldview on Òrúnmìẹ̀làà to be compared with Socrates.This is flawful.

And that odua personality, historical feat is even far richer and better than Socrates. I went further to assert that ọ̀rúnmiẹ̀làa is a spirit being and not human.

Cheers

If you follow Odu Ifa very well you would know that he came down to earth in human form and lived like a normal human for many many years he was even once in abject poverty in the human world till Ire was sent from Orun to him.

It isn't an insult to compare two philosophers whether or not one is a God doesn't matter a philosopher is a philosopher and you can compare their teachings if you want

Abohboy:

If you follow Odu Ifa very well you would know that he came down to earth in human form and lived like a normal human for many many years he was even once in abject poverty in the human world till Ire was sent from Orun to him.

It isn't an insult to compare two philosophers whether or not one is a God doesn't matter a philosopher is a philosopher and you can compare their teachings if you want

May be you know ifaodu more than I . Share your historical knowledge on Orunmiela,in Corpus of Ifaodu so that we can learn.


Cheers

Crystyano:




I don't care about what any group of Yoruba ancestry did or never did



I don't care about what you consider as yoruba doctrine

I don't care about what you consider as yoruba worldview

Oh I see. Enjoy yourself

A001:

Interesting. About Luwabi's existence or non-existence, I don't know whether he actually existed as a statement of fact.

But based on the histories I read in Otem's book, there's a strong possibility he really lived in the ancient past and played key roles in development of writing (on leaves) in ancient Yorubaland according to the book.

It's all a possibility for now until I find sufficient evidence for or against his existence.

Whatever possibility you are looking for must fall within the era of the Sumerians, Ancient Hebrew(Mesopotamia) and Egyptians.

Mesopotamia claimed to be the oldest area where written account had been said to have been invented around 5000Bc. So whatever you postulate must be around this period for the Yoruba Race.


Cheers

Olu317:
Whatever possibility you are looking for must fall within the era of the Sumerians, Ancient Hebrew(Mesopotamia) and Egyptians.

Mesopotamia claimed to be the oldest area where written account had been said to have been invented around 5000Bc. So whatever you postulate must be around this period for the Yoruba Race.


Cheers

The literarure claims Luwabi lived about 140,000 years ago in the homo sapiens era as a reincarnated homo erectus.

Based on the available bodies of (dated) archeological evidence, the homo erectus era spanned around 2 million years (starting from Africa), while the current homo sapiens era started about 280,000 years ago from Africa.

We're currently in the 282,021th year of the homo sapiens era according to some classifications.

Anyone that has truly read the histories of Luwabi in that book will observe an interesting level of depth and consistency in them that make the stories look convincing and profound.

According to the histories, when Luwabi reincarnated as a homo sapiens, he even retained his writing skills as a giant homo erectus (using codes to represent signs on leaves), deep thinking and critical thinking ability, and philosophical skills and started exhibiting these things right from 10 years of age that people around him said he was a prodigy, or a genius, or the return of Ifa.

(In this part of the world and around the world, we heard by oral tales while growing up that the ancients were giants.)

It appears reincarnated people retain some of their skills and abilities/knowledge from their past life.

There's something about the histories in the book that make it look believable. Hence, I consider it very possible that Luwabi might have lived in the ancient past of Yorubaland.

But one may not really know these things for sure, considering the length of time (over 140,000 years ago) and also due to the fact that most of the histories of our forefathers in this part of the world are lost or never recorded/documented.

Then again, those patches of leaves the book said he wrote on wouldn't be able to last for that long, not even 100 years let alone 140,000.

I don't think anyone living today can trace his genealogy back to hundreds, thousands of years in the past (except Otem who says he knows his history right from the Beginning; he posted it on one of his threads and contains his encounters with Olorun, quite interesting with some scientific aspects).

If interested, you may check it here, quite fascinating and with a lot of depth: https://www.nairaland.com/4462945/otem-sapiens-historical-account-saviour

This inability of most living people today to trace their genealogy back to several years in the past shows a majority of the histories of our forefathers are lost or never recorded/documented.

The book narrates Orunmila (being a giant humanoid from the beginning) had reincarnated as a homo sapiens as a reciter of the verses of Ifa (Ifa had reincarnated before him as a homo sapiens) some 100,000 years in the homo sapiens era after Luwabi came back to Earth again the second time — and that there was even a writer with the name Sodeke that lived in this region within 265,000 – 280,000 years of the homo sapiens epoch as a reteller of the stories of Luwabi.

According to the book, there was even a flood era about 195,000 – 230,000 years ago in different parts parts of the world where many histories of people and world events were lost.

So far, there's been no scientific evidence that a flood era had once occurred on Earth but that doesn't mean there was no such era.

Ifaodu verses, for all their greatness and rich ideas and fascinating use of the language, don't contain detailed information about the different human species in history (homo sapiens, homo erectus, and earlier species) mainly because many of our forefathers weren't scientifically inclined and couldn't develop dating technologies like the whites.

For instance, when talking about Sango or Ogun, no information is given whether he's a nephilim, anakim, rephalm, homo erectus, etc. That classification is highly important for scholarly works and critical analyses.

In that aspect, Otem's book of history has done a wonderful job based on my own critique.

A001:

The literarure claims Luwabi lived about 140,000 years ago in the homo sapiens era as a reincarnated homo erectus.

Based on the available bodies of (dated) archeological evidence, the homo erectus era spanned around 2 million years (starting from Africa), while the current homo sapiens era started about 280,000 years ago from Africa.

We're currently in the 282,021th year of the homo sapiens era according to some classifications.

Anyone that has truly read the histories of Luwabi in that book will observe an interesting level of depth and consistency in them that make the stories look convincing and profound.

According to the histories, when Luwabi reincarnated as a homo sapiens, he even retained his writing skills as a giant homo erectus (using codes to represent signs on leaves), deep thinking and critical thinking ability, and philosophical skills and started exhibiting these things right from 10 years of age that people around him said he was a prodigy, or a genius, or the return of Ifa.

(In this part of the world and around the world, we heard by oral tales while growing up that the ancients were giants.)

It appears reincarnated people retain some of their skills and abilities/knowledge from their past life.

There's something about the histories in the book that make it look believable. Hence, I consider it very possible that Luwabi might have lived in the ancient past of Yorubaland.

But one may not really know these things for sure, considering the length of time (over 140,000 years ago) and also due to the fact that most of the histories of our forefathers in this part of the world are lost or never recorded/documented.

Then again, those patches of leaves the book said he wrote on wouldn't be able to last for that long, not even 100 years let alone 140,000.

I don't think anyone living today can trace his genealogy back to hundreds, thousands of years in the past (except Otem who says he knows his history right from the Beginning; he posted it on one of his threads and contains his encounters with Olorun, quite interesting with some scientific aspects).

If interested, you may check it here, quite fascinating and with a lot of depth: https://www.nairaland.com/4462945/otem-sapiens-historical-account-saviour

This inability of most living people today to trace their genealogy back to several years in the past shows a majority of the histories of our forefathers are lost or never recorded/documented.

The book narrates Orunmila (being a giant humanoid from the beginning) had reincarnated as a homo sapiens as a reciter of the verses of Ifa (Ifa had reincarnated before him as a homo sapiens) some 100,000 years in the homo sapiens era after Luwabi came back to Earth again the second time — and that there was even a writer with the name Sodeke that lived in this region within 265,000 – 280,000 years of the homo sapiens epoch as a reteller of the stories of Luwabi.

According to the book, there was even a flood era about 195,000 – 230,000 years ago in different parts parts of the world where many histories of people and world events were lost.

So far, there's been no scientific evidence that a flood era had once occurred on Earth but that doesn't mean there was no such era.

Ifaodu verses, for all their greatness and rich ideas and fascinating use of the language, don't contain detailed information about the different human species in history (homo sapiens, homo erectus, and earlier species) mainly because many of our forefathers weren't scientifically inclined and couldn't develop dating technologies like the whites.

For instance, when talking about Sango or Ogun, no information is given whether he's a nephilim, anakim, rephalm, homo erectus, etc. That classification is highly important for scholarly works and critical analyses.

In that aspect, Otem's book of history has done a wonderful job based on my own critique.

Otem's book is not just false but absurd. Anyway, Orunmiela did not exist as any of the homonoid mentioned by you orthe so called Otem's book. Throw the book away because it wont help you.

So, it is not worth it in the first place since ifaodu corpus does not give credence to this unrealistic assumption by a non Ifaodu practitioner. Well, explained is the ifaodu in Corpus of creation. While there has been different humanoid group, which had been identified.

Secondly, you need learn ifaodu to know there are sciences in ifaodu. So, your view on scientific aspect of Yoruba is false also.

Plainly,creation exist in ifaodu,evolution of earth exist in ifaodu, mathematics, world geographical directions,medication,theology, herbalogy etc


Ogun is phallic in the western world's orientation,stone associated with the worship alter by Abraham according to Islamic history through Prophet Muhammad information on it.

Ogun is identified with day of creation first as the path clearer and also associated iwth iron.

Seriously, if you're interested in knowledge of ifaodu,then become ifaodu devotee. I can give you whasapp group link to seek help on it and be guided to become an initiate.


Cheers

Olu317:
Otem's book is not just false but absurd. Anyway, Orunmiela did not exist as any of the homonoid mentioned by you orthe so called Otem's book. Throw the book away because it wont help you.

You're funny. I should throw such wondrous literature away simply because it doesn't agree with the Ifaodu as if it the latter contains all the knowlege in the world. Lols.

You're not the one to tell me what book to keep and which one to throw away.

I have done my own research on the book and made my critique of it. Anyone reading your comments will know you've not read it.

It's funny how you make a false or ill-informed statement about a book you've not read. Well, that's your opinion anyway, which doesn't hold water with me.

You first made a disparaging remark about the first book I shared above due to the comparison the author made because you think Orunmila didn't exist as a human but a spirit based on the Ifaodu verses you know, yet the author cited some other verses of the corpus that show he did live as a human.

Yet, you've not read this book and are merely judging it by the title.

It's clear your knowledge of the corpus isn't that broad.

Now you made another ill-informed statement about another book you've not read because some parts of the literature cover areas not in the Ifaodu corpus (something you don't even have complete knowledge of).

If you think every literature in this part of the world will agree 100% with the corpus on all areas, then you're not being realistic.

Olu317:

So, it is not worth it in the first place since ifaodu corpus does not give credence to this unrealistic assumption by a non Ifaodu practitioner. Well, explained is the ifaodu in Corpus of creation. While there has been different humanoid group, which had been identified.

Nothing concrete in this sentence. I don't need to be a practicioner of Ifaodu to know that the Ifa corpus (though great) doesn't contain all the mysteries in this world. No single book does.

You're merely making things up. If not, what are the native Yoruba words for "humanoid", "homo sapiens", and "homo erectus"?

Where are the eras of each of the last two epochs of humanity mentioned in the corpus with their years of existence in the corpus? And what are the dating techniques used to arrive at them?

I don't think you understand this aspect of archeology and paleontology at all.

Olu317:

Secondly, you need learn ifaodu to know there are sciences in ifaodu. So, your view on scientific aspect of Yoruba is false also.

Can you tell me where I said there are no scientific aspects or sciences in Ifaodu? This looks like a mischievous statement to me.

The scientific aspects of archeology and paleontology, specifically the epochs of humanity and dating techniques, aren't covered in the corpus. If you feel otherwise, post the proof here.

Olu317:

Plainly,creation exist in ifaodu,evolution of earth exist in ifaodu, mathematics, world geographical directions,medication,theology, herbalogy etc

This is a baseless statement. Tell me where I said the corpus doesn't cover or touch these areas of science. You're arguing emotionally, not logically.

Olu317:

Ogun is phallic in the western world's orientation,stone associated with the worship alter by Abraham according to Islamic history through Prophet Muhammad information on it.

This is a poor attempt at syncretism. Ogun is native to Yorubaland. The Western and Arabic cultures have their own unique deities that share some traits with Ogun.

Olu317:

Seriously, if you're interested in knowledge of ifaodu,then become ifaodu devotee. I can give you whasapp group link to seek help on it and be guided to become an initiate.

Not interested in that endeavor. My field is science. What I learn about Ifaodu in literary works and from the elderly around is enough for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DfKjd9Isl0

I really love this! It contains great words of wisdom for making wishes (prayers) for one's head.

A001:

You're funny. I should throw such wondrous literature away simply because it doesn't agree with the Ifaodu as if it the latter contains all the knowlege in the world. Lols.

You're not the one to tell me what book to keep and which one to throw away.

I have done my own research on the book and made my critique of it. Anyone reading your comments will know you've not read it.

It's funny how you make a false or ill-informed statement about a book you've not read. Well, that's your opinion anyway, which doesn't hold water with me.

You first made a disparaging remark about the first book I shared above due to the comparison the author made because you think Orunmila didn't exist as a human but a spirit based on the Ifaodu verses you know, yet the author cited some other verses of the corpus that show he did live as a human.

Yet, you've not read this book and are merely judging it by the title.

It's clear your knowledge of the corpus isn't that broad.

Now you made another ill-informed statement about another book you've not read because some parts of the literature cover areas not in the Ifaodu corpus (something you don't even have complete knowledge of).

If you think every literature in this part of the world will agree 100% with the corpus on all areas, then you're not being realistic.

Nothing concrete in this sentence. I don't need to be a practicioner of Ifaodu to know that the Ifa corpus (though great) doesn't contain all the mysteries in this world. No single book does.

You're merely making things up. If not, what are the native Yoruba words for "humanoid", "homo sapiens", and "homo erectus"?

Where are the eras of each of the last two epochs of humanity mentioned in the corpus with their years of existence in the corpus? And what are the dating techniques used to arrive at them?

I don't think you understand this aspect of archeology and paleontology at all.

Can you tell me where I said there are no scientific aspects or sciences in Ifaodu? This looks like a mischievous statement to me.

The scientific aspects of archeology and paleontology, specifically the epochs of humanity and dating techniques, aren't covered in the corpus. If you feel otherwise, post the proof here.

This is a baseless statement. Tell me where I said the corpus doesn't cover or touch these areas of science. You're arguing emotionally, not logically.


This is a poor attempt at syncretism. Ogun is native to Yorubaland. The Western and Arabic cultures have their own unique deities that share some traits with Ogun.

Not interested in that endeavor. My field is science. What I learn about Ifaodu in literary works and from the elderly around is enough for me.

1.Well, you didn't assert your field,so I had to pin you down on your curiosity about ifá.

2. No way on earth will you understand ifaodu without being an adherent follower or being a devotee


3.I am not an ifaodu devotee with deep knowledge on Semitic anthropology; ancient Hebrew

4. Ogun is same as phaliic og if you are familiar with ancient Semitic history.So, do research on it to identify places where such exist devoid of Islamic religion that is that's less than 2000 years ago.


5.Otem's literature came down through oratory before documentation. Thus, not every book do I need to read because review of the book litters internent. Beside, books written based on assumption is baseless.


6. I do not need to make things up as Otem did which in reality is baseless to give concrete date to Orunmiela.

7. I am an interpreter of Ancient Hebrew inscription .So, I know about phallic origin in mesopotamia,which is older than Islamic religion. Infact the kaaba you see in Saudi Arabia used to house the phallic shrine of Abraham.

8. The same Saudi Arabia have hidden the identities of the Colour Race who once lived in that land till date before Islam which is the reason excavation have been refuted on several ocassion in some area.


9.If you are familiar with visual Art with stylistic design and interpretation, you will know there are places in the world with phallic sign in Iraq and other places. But principally the Kaaba stone belonged to the ancient Hebrew.

10. There are no dominant religion as compared to both Christianity and Islam in the world history. While both actually have link to Yoruba ifaodu method and historical form of divinationThis is the reason i mentioned it that peradventure your interest tilts towards it, that you should engage in its knowledge acquisition.

Olu317:


1.Well, you didn't assert your field,so I had to pin you down on your curiosity about ifá.

I thought my signature made my field clear.

Olu317:

2. No way on earth will you understand ifaodu without being an adherent follower or being a devotee
3.I am not an ifaodu devotee with deep knowledge on Semitic anthropology; ancient Hebrew

If you're not an Ifaodu devotee, that means your knowledge on it is not deep as some of your comments have shown.

Olu317:

4. Ogun is same as phaliic og if you are familiar with ancient Semitic history.So, do research on it to identify places where such exist devoid of Islamic religion that is that's less than 2000 years ago.

Okay. I can do so when I'm less busy.

Olu317:

5.Otem's literature came down through oratory before documentation. Thus, not every book do I need to read because review of the book litters internent. Beside, books written based on assumption is baseless.

I don't understand what you mean by the highlighted. According to Otem, he was given the content of the book via revelations from Atum in a number of languages, but mainly Seriot, which he says it's a dead, ancient language.

He gave an explanation of this in the book, and the mechanism of the information transmission even has a scientific explanation.

Then, I don't know where the author told you he wrote the book based on assumptions. That's your assertion, not the author's.

Olu317:

6. I do not need to make things up as Otem did which in reality is baseless to give concrete date to Orunmiela.

It's common knowledge that most of the histories of our forefathers are lost or never recorded/documented. Thus, it's quite possible those histories of the deities are true.

I feel your main grouse with him is because, unlike religionists, his approach and style to narrating the histories of the entities looks scientific. It's all physical, nothing superstitious, supernatural, or spiritual.

After all, what's seen as supernatural or mysterious by humans with our limited intelligence and senses doesn't seem so to an advanced being or a highly evolved entity.

Many things he says about gods and goddesses may not sit well with an adherent like you (just like the average religionists) because of your emotional attachments to these deities, but an agnostic like me finds the work quite seminal, especially due to the author's scientific approach to things.

Who will read Otem's book and research objectively about the histories of our local gods and goddesses and those of Allah and Yahweh in the text and online and still see these deities the same way? I doubt a honest, highly intelligent person won't change his attitude toward these deities.

You clearly know very little about the literature you're commenting about hence your erroneous statements about it.

If not for the book, I will still continue to see our native culture and deities as evil and demonic as Qur'an and the Bible preach. Only a person who hasn't read the literature will post such ill-informed opinion about it.

As said earlier, it's your opinion which holds no water with an agnostic like me.

Olu317:

7. I am an interpreter of Ancient Hebrew inscription .So, I know about phallic origin in mesopotamia,which is older than Islamic religion. Infact the kaaba you see in Saudi Arabia used to house the phallic shrine of Abraham.

8. The same Saudi Arabia have hidden the identities of the Colour Race who once lived in that land till date before Islam which is the reason excavation have been refuted on several ocassion in some area.

Interesting.

Olu317:

9.If you are familiar with visual Art with stylistic design and interpretation, you will know there are places in the world with phallic sign in Iraq and other places. But principally the Kaaba stone belonged to the ancient Hebrew.

Okay.

Olu317:

10. There are no dominant religion as compared to both Christianity and Islam in the world history. While both actually have link to Yoruba ifaodu method and historical form of divination This is the reason i mentioned it that peradventure your interest tilts towards it, that you should engage in its knowledge acquisition.

Even without reading Ifaodu corpus and the books you read, I know the highlighted already thanks to Otem's book that narrated histories on how these two foreign religions are connected to and have their roots in our indigenous religions and many of such in Africa, especially ancient Egypt.

It's obvious you're criticizing something you know next to nothing about. It's unreasonable.

True

A001:

I thought my signature made my field clear.

If you're not an Ifaodu devotee, that means your knowledge on it is not deep as some of your comments have shown.

Okay. I can do so when I'm less busy.

I don't understand what you mean by the highlighted. According to Otem, he was given the content of the book via revelations from Atum in a number of languages, but mainly Seriot, which he says it's a dead, ancient language.

He gave an explanation of this in the book, and the mechanism of the information transmission even has a scientific explanation.

Then, I don't know where the author told you he wrote the book based on assumptions. That's your assertion, not the author's.

It's common knowledge that most of the histories of our forefathers are lost or never recorded/documented. Thus, it's quite possible those histories of the deities are true.

I feel your main grouse with him is because, unlike religionists, his approach and style to narrating the histories of the entities looks scientific. It's all physical, nothing superstitious, supernatural, or spiritual.

After all, what's seen as supernatural or mysterious by humans with our limited intelligence and senses doesn't seem so to an advanced being or a highly evolved entity.

Many things he says about gods and goddesses may not sit well with an adherent like you (just like the average religionists) because of your emotional attachments to these deities, but an agnostic like me finds the work quite seminal, especially due to the author's scientific approach to things.

Who will read Otem's book and research objectively about the histories of our local gods and goddesses and those of Allah and Yahweh in the text and online and still see these deities the same way? I doubt a honest, highly intelligent person won't change his attitude toward these deities.

You clearly know very little about the literature you're commenting about hence your erroneous statements about it.

If not for the book, I will still continue to see our native culture and deities as evil and demonic as Qur'an and the Bible preach. Only a person who hasn't read the literature will post such ill-informed opinion about it.

As said earlier, it's your opinion which holds no water with an agnostic like me.

Interesting.

Okay.

Even without reading Ifaodu corpus and the books you read, I know the highlighted already thanks to Otem's book that narrated histories on how these two foreign religions are connected to and have their roots in our indigenous religions and many of such in Africa, especially ancient Egypt.

It's obvious you're criticizing something you know next to nothing about. It's unreasonable.

A001 defending his work as Otem is very amusing. Why don’t you go write some nonsense and watch a Chelsea match?

KnownUnknown:


A001 defending his work as Otem is very amusing. Why don’t you go write some nonsense and watch a Chelsea match?

How is A001 the same person as Otem? Ode.

Am I also the same person as the authors of the other books I've shared on Nairaland? When you've a single-digit IQ, you'd make such a bogus claim.

Stop quoting me to say foolish things.

A001:

How is A001 the same person as Otem? Ode.

Am I also the same person as the authors of the other books I've shared on Nairaland? When you've a single-digit IQ, you'd make such a bogus claim.

Okay, OtemA001 with the astronomical IQ.

KnownUnknown:


Okay, OtemA001 with the astronomical IQ.

Arindin, an epitome of confusion.