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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 6:54pm On May 29
lovewins:


In your bid to defend an indefensible statement made by Finidi you're simply being disingenuous. I didn't make the statement, he did.

What do you mean players don't determine when to defend or attack? That's just nonsense. Players very well largely determine when to defend and attack. You have possession of the ball, you attack. You lose possession of the ball, you defend.

What the coaches however determine is how they attack and how they defend. That's what formations are for. It's about coming up with the best strategy and setup that exploits the opponents weaknesses.

I wasn't defending Finidi at all.

Players attack or defend according to the coach's instructions since they are playing as a unit.

A team can be in an attacking phase with or without the ball. When they are entirely in their own half with or without the ball they are defending, when they start making occupying the opposition's territory with or without the ball they are attacking

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:59pm On May 29
When Finidi used to play for the Super Eagles, there was something key about him. When he is an offensive position and gets the ball, he looks forward and decides to make an attacking move or pass back.

I think this has formed the basis of his philosophy.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 7:06pm On May 29
TheGoodJoe:


That is where Finidi George's statement gets even more interesting. His philosophy is that there are moments. I wish I had more insights and I will research it further on my own.

Let me give a scenario.

If a left winger is on the attack, and he is outnumbered and isolated from passing.

Maybe at that instance, the players of the isolated players should take a defensive shape by falling back.

Finidi has a philosophy to this called moments and he believes it is the key to winning and losing.

The decision for players to fall back (defend) when they lose the ball or to press the opponent (attack them still) to recover the ball, is the coach's decision to make.

Like i have said, attacking and defending can be with or without the ball, it depends on whether the team have left their own half.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 7:27pm On May 29
South Africans when Nigerian national anthem is being played during the upcoming qualifier....

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:42pm On May 29
Meliforme:


The decision for players to fall back (defend) when they lose the ball or to press the opponent (attack them still) to recover the ball, is the coach's decision to make.

Like i have said, attacking and defending can be with or without the ball, it depends on whether the team have left their own half.

From what I have seen so far, it goes deeper than that. For instance, number to attack a space when pressing, depending on the shape of the opponents. Either way, Finidi wants to teach the players his philosophy of attacking (which is deep) and defending (which is also deep). The more they understand this, the better the team stands chances to win, based on his philosophy. This to him is more important to win than the formation itself.

I think it is a very brilliant take by Finidi.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzerooo: 7:55pm On May 29
All these age grade tournaments we are missing means we have to rely on second-rate foreign borns for the foreseeable future.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 7:56pm On May 29
The statement is simple to understand if you want to! What pattern did you see across the national teams? Manu won under-17 World Cup! Finidi has played at the highest level. So what pattern did you see?
lovewins:


To be fair, the interviews of Finidi I've seen so far presents him as someone who isn't very articulate. So he could very well have intended differently from what he said. It is however not our place to cut him some slack just like we didn't Bosso and Manu Garba. We have to query statements like this and not assume intentions especially when there's a pattern of such statements across other national teams.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 8:01pm On May 29
Footballers now have many route to football pinnacle. Most foreign clubs buy directly from academies! How many of our under 17 are currently in the national team. We have boys who never played under 17 at Inter, AC, Nice, Bayern etc.
Subzerooo:
All these age grade tournaments we are missing means we have to rely on second-rate foreign borns for the foreseeable future.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 10:41pm On May 29
Olympiacos wins the Uefa Europa Conference League
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by eddie7: 10:45pm On May 29
charlesemeka85:
Olympiacos wins the Uefa Europa Conference League

Few inches offside but I supported the team 100%>>... congratulations to the Greeks

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:20pm On May 29
When it comes to transfers it's all noise until clubs put the money πŸ€‘πŸ’° on the table.

When several teams are putting bids in and declaring contract terms in direct competition with other clubs to sign you it's a reflection of quality and a player's high quality rating.

Tosin Adarabioyo is almost able to dictate terms.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Napoleon55(m): 11:22pm On May 29
Marjoribanks:
Footballers now have many route to football pinnacle. Most foreign clubs buy directly from academies! How many of our under 17 are currently in the national team. We have boys who never played under 17 at Inter, AC, Nice, Bayern etc.
All those players that were bought directly from academies from nigeria,
how many of them can we rely upon to win us tournaments?
it's not just about having players in foreign clubs,
it's about unearthing great talents through a process that has worked for us.

How many of such academy players that foreign clubs bought directly from Nigeria can you say are on the same level with the likes of
Ikpeba,
Kanu,Babayaro,Oruma
Mikel,Ogbuke,
Ndidi,Iheanacho, Awoniyi,
Osimhen,Chukwueze .
Etc.
If these players did not participate at the age grade tournaments starting from U17 ,do you think they would have attained this level?

Some might want to mention the likes Stanley Okoro, Chrisantus, Sani Emmanuel, Yahya and the rest.
But for the fact that our U17 teams has produced us some of our greatest players of all time,it worths taking very seriously.
Not only the U17,but all our age grade teams

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 11:45pm On May 29
We are taking it seriously but have been unlucky! CAF qualifying process has made it difficult for us to qualify! Imagine the Osimhen set meeting Ivory Coast at the WAFU semis, they would have lost too.
The West Africa FAs are the most stupid in history for agreeing to that qualifying format!
Napoleon55:

All those players that were bought directly from academies from nigeria,
how many of them can we rely upon to win us tournaments?
it's not just about having players in foreign clubs,
it's about unearthing great talents through a process that has worked for us.

How many of such academy players that foreign clubs bought directly from Nigeria can you say are on the same level with the likes of
Ikpeba,
Kanu,Babayaro,Oruma
Mikel,Ogbuke,
Ndidi,Iheanacho, Awoniyi,
Osimhen,Chukwueze .
Etc.
If these players did not participate at the age grade tournaments starting from U17 ,do you think they would have attained this level?

Some might want to mention the likes Stanley Okoro, Chrisantus, Sani Emmanuel, Yahya and the rest.
But for the fact that our U17 teams has produced us some of our greatest players of all time,it worths taking very seriously.
Not only the U17,but all our age grade teams

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elunico: 12:31am On May 30
Watching El Khabi lead the lines for Olympiacos and I'm reminded that he was part of the Moroccan team that ran the CHAN eagles ragged few years ago. 4 - 0 in the finals I believe?

The team had Ajiboye, Faleye, Okpotu, Utin, Ojo, Adeleke and the rest.

Where are they today? 😁 😁

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 2:03am On May 30
So he isn’t reliable because of his injury record. What’s your solution then, not to invite him when he is fully fit and on form? We have a plethora of strikers. This is not an Osimhen issue, but a selection one. When he is not available, someone should be able to step in.

Kalakulu:

Osimhen has a spectacular record of missing key international matches/tournaments. Incredibly, the 2024 AFCON was the first international tournament in which he started a game for Nigeria πŸ‡³πŸ‡¬ (since making his debut 7 years ago!). In those 7 years, his only other tournament experience for Nigeria πŸ‡³πŸ‡¬ was playing a grand total of 45 minutes at the 2019 AFCON 5 years ago. He was also injured for the key World Cup qualifier against Ghana πŸ‡¬πŸ‡­ which Nigeria drew, and which meant Nigeria did not qualify for the World Cup.

He has an uncanny knack of getting injured or contracting Covid just before key international matches.

I'm sorry but the truth hurts, Osimhen is simply a player that CAN'T be relied upon in very important moments.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 4:56am On May 30
joelsteron:
Why is everyone going after Pep Gardiola's assistants. First was Arsenal Arteta, now Chelsea going after Enzo, then Bayern after Kompany. cool

My country had similar opportunity but threw it in the bin and went for a man who said formation is not important in soccer. grin

I really hope banana banana and Rohr will not stop Nigerians from seeing their favorite players at the world cup.
I wonder who the opportunity is
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Truidstarr: 6:16am On May 30
jihday:
I wonder who the opportunity is
The whiners and moaners are back.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by villagereporter(m): 6:33am On May 30
I am densely over "dense", instead of giving us the strength and weaknesses of invited player, their fitness level and the formation they can fit in for SA and Benin games especially the relatively unknown players, senior forumites are here arguing about a statement of a coach forgetting that we have different approach tΓ² Life and situations.

I am so flabbergasted that some would even believe that a coach would play without a formation, perhaps we need to ask such ones whether they can build a house without foundation!

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 7:07am On May 30
How many coaches can you see here?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:20am On May 30
ChrisKels:
How many coaches can you see here?

Four

Luis Enrique
Xabi Hernandez
Emmanuel Amunike
Boudewijn Zenden

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 8:53am On May 30
Subzerooo:
All these age grade tournaments we are missing means we have to rely on second-rate foreign borns for the foreseeable future.

First of all what do you mean exactly by "second rate foreign born" in the first instance please ❓

Using your derogatory divisive notion of foreign born. Let me ask , how many of first rate Nigerian born players will get into first rated top teams and leagues in Europe ❓
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 9:29am On May 30
ChrisKels:
How many coaches can you see here?

2 to 3
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 9:32am On May 30
komekn:


First of all what do you mean exactly by "second rate foreign born" in the first instance please ❓

Using your derogatory divisive notion of foreign born. Let me ask , how many of first rate Nigerian born players will get into first rated top teams and leagues in Europe ❓



You really have a comprehension problem.. too much bitter leaf juice..

Anybody can tell that he is obviously talking about foreign born players who would consider playing for us as a last resort having been unable to get into the national team of their birth country... he isn't categorizing foreign born as second rate in comparison to Nigeria born players.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by CaptainStephen(m): 9:40am On May 30
elunico:
Watching El Khabi lead the lines for Olympiacos and I'm reminded that he was part of the Moroccan team that ran the CHAN eagles ragged few years ago. 4 - 0 in the finals I believe?

The team had Ajiboye, Faleye, Okpotu, Utin, Ojo, Adeleke and the rest.

Where are they today? 😁 😁

Where are his Moroccan team mates also?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:08am On May 30
Danielnino00:


You really have a comprehension problem.. too much bitter leaf juice..

Anybody can tell that he is obviously talking about foreign born players who would consider playing for us as a last resort having been unable to get into the national team of their birth country... he isn't categorizing foreign born as second rate in comparison to Nigeria born players.

He didn't speak πŸ—£οΈ Spanish but plain spoken English, which you struggle to comprehend.

You have made assumptions for him on what basis you are a mind reader.

He just called foreign born Nigerian players as second rate and you are trying to change the English language.

Your blinded by you own self birthed prejudices you cannot comprehend basic English.

What people say and what they mean can sometimes be ambiguous, that's why I asked him to explain for clarity.

But you Dr 2 Know ( mind -reader) have read his mind and want to explain for us. You are conceited in your bigotry.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 10:54am On May 30
CaptainStephen:

Where are his Moroccan team mates also?


hehehehe 😁😁😁😁
make I sidon dey observe,
the Captain is back mehn 😎
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by yinkeys(m): 11:03am On May 30
Napoleon55:

All those players that were bought directly from academies from nigeria,
how many of them can we rely upon to win us tournaments?
it's not just about having players in foreign clubs,
it's about unearthing great talents through a process that has worked for us.

How many of such academy players that foreign clubs bought directly from Nigeria can you say are on the same level with the likes of
Ikpeba,
Kanu,Babayaro,Oruma
Mikel,Ogbuke,
Ndidi,Iheanacho, Awoniyi,
Osimhen,Chukwueze .
Etc.
If these players did not participate at the age grade tournaments starting from U17 ,do you think they would have attained this level?

Some might want to mention the likes Stanley Okoro, Chrisantus, Sani Emmanuel, Yahya and the rest.
But for the fact that our U17 teams has produced us some of our greatest players of all time,it worths taking very seriously.
Not only the U17,but all our age grade teams
After winning u17 in 2007
I believe fifa looked into Nigerias screening
We’ve been having legit u17 players since 2013 I believe
MRI scan isn’t accurate but it’s a great screener

Frank Onyeka in my opinion is the most improved super eagles player I watched at Afcon
He didn’t play u17 championships for Nigeria
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elunico: 11:37am On May 30
cool

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nomyth: 11:55am On May 30
Marjoribanks:
Overtime! 73 v 73. Rivers unlucky not to have won that in normal time!

Wetin end this match na?

I dey always follow ur updates.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nomyth: 12:05pm On May 30
Danielnino00:


You really have a comprehension problem.. too much bitter leaf juice..

Anybody can tell that he is obviously talking about foreign born players who would consider playing for us as a last resort having been unable to get into the national team of their birth country... he isn't categorizing foreign born as second rate in comparison to Nigeria born players.

No need to sugar coat it, those foreign borns are second rate anybody that doesn't like that fact can go to hell.

Let's develop our youth system that is what has been working for us from the start instead of some players who see us as a fall back plan.

What's so special about these FBs if I may ask?

Of all the ones we've gotten, only Victor Moses was impactful and really worth it. Others have been just about average.

And of all that we have missed, only a handful went on to be world beaters .A whole lot of them hv been us dodging a huge bullet.

Reliance on FB is what is affecting Cameroon today, they have lost their identity as a team and no longer carry the fearsome reputation of time past because they've diluted the team with some overrated FBs.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 12:08pm On May 30
komekn:


He didn't speak πŸ—£οΈ Spanish but plain spoken English, which you struggle to comprehend.

You have made assumptions for him on what basis you are a mind reader.

He just called foreign born Nigerian players as second rate and you are trying to change the English language.

Your blinded by you own self birthed prejudices you cannot comprehend basic English.

What people say and what they mean can sometimes be ambiguous, that's why I asked him to explain for clarity.

But you Dr 2 Know ( mind -reader) have read his mind and want to explain for us. You are conceited in your bigotry.

Pele o.. second rate Southgate...
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 12:12pm On May 30
I'm of the opinion that our number 10 shirt be given to Ademola Lookman.

In terms of performance, dude looks like he is finally being that replacement for Victor Moses that we have always wanted him to be. Though VicMo never wore the number 10 shirt, but it will look good on Lookman since Iwobi does not seem interested in it. It is an eyesore seeing our most revered jersey number on Aribo with his pedigree and constant below par performance.

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