ShoeGetSize:

Imane Khelif has both X and Y Chromosomes.

Only a man can have a Y Chromosome, in fact, the Y Chromosome is transmitted from father to son. It can never be transferred from father to daughter or from mother to son.

In DNA testing when the paternity of a male child is to be determined, it is the Y Chromosome of the biological father which is used to determine paternity.

The very fact that Khelif has both X and Y Chromosomes, completely eliminates any biological claims he has towards being a woman.

You are aggressively promoting 100% anti-science nonsense and garbage.

brain54:


Hahaha...
🤣🤣

Bossu you are sounding more ridiculous with this your argument. You are the one who is confused here.

Ok. Tell me what other determinants to sex or gender apart from chromosomes, hormones or the visible sex organs?

You mentioned estrogen and pregesterone which are primarily female hormones while tetestorone is a male hormone.

Estrogen plays a crucial role in formation of the female reproductive system. It plays a part in development of hips, breasts, pubic hair development etc. It also has to do with menstruation and uterus development for potential pregnancy. It plays a part in fetal development.

Progesterone is also a female hormone that is produced in the ovaries (I am sure as a man you have ovaries with this your argument) fertilization of eggs etc.

Tetestorone is primarily a male hormone. If you don't know what it is I can explain it later because I am tired of typing right now.


Like I said you are the one who is confused here.

Confused in a funny way!

Botragelad:
I've been noticing a load of misinformation floating about, and I think it even made it onto the front page at one point. So, I'm just going to lift this(explanation below) straight from a source, not my own work, mind you and give a brief rundown of the whole thing.

It's quite straightforward, really, for those who can be bothered to read and do their own research without blindly following the crowd of misinformation.

Below, you'll find photos of her from when she was a youngster, as well as her record. And, might I add, she's had a few fight and come out on the losing end, too.

JuanDeDios:

No, it's not straightforward. These are complex issues and will remain contentious for a long time. She has elevated testosterone levels, which gives her an advantage over female contestants. Not her fault, but it's a problem.

brain54:
Born with xy chromosomes...

This is a very complex issue actually.

But I still feel it's an unfair advantage. It's like half male and half female.

Maybe it should be considered creating a special Olympics or games for these "unique" people!

Botragelad:

So what's the testerone level that sets the bar?
At what count?

JuanDeDios:

I'm not pretending to be a biological scientist. But if she has something men have that other women don't, she has an advantage. This is common sense. Not her fault, but it's a problem.

PDPdestroyer:
Female boxing in itself is an aberration. Women are not supposed to throw punches at each other

Botragelad:

Look, putting our differences aside for a moment, I'm just trying to tackle this issue head-on. Some people are making a right fuss, saying she's not a woman or something, simply because she's got a masculine appearance, according to them, or had the audacity to punch her opponent hard in a fight. Are you one of these people? Lol

Botragelad:

Look, putting our differences aside for a moment, I'm just trying to tackle this issue head-on. Some people are making a right fuss, saying she's not a woman or something, simply because she's got a masculine appearance, according to them, or had the audacity to punch her opponent hard in a fight. Are you one of these people? Lol

Botragelad:

Okay you are clueless. lol

Botragelad:

Okay you are clueless. lol

SmartyPants:


It's obviously not simply her having a manly appearance. She's much stronger and has more explosive power as your write up shows.

JuanDeDios:

I have enough clue to see what the problem is. Which I why I'm surprised an expert like you thinks this is straightforward and that the experts that have been debating the matter don't have work to do. I doubt you're being honest.

JuanDeDios:

I'm not pretending to be a biological scientist. But if she has something men have that other women don't, she has an advantage. This is common sense. Not her fault, but it's a problem.

Botragelad:

Look, putting our differences aside for a moment, I'm just trying to tackle this issue head-on. Some people are making a right fuss, saying she's not a woman or something, simply because she's got a masculine appearance, according to them, or had the audacity to punch her opponent hard in a fight. Are you one of these people? Lol

Omoawoke:


Oh wow!!!

You think it’s an advantage?? Let me lecture you why it is even more of a disadvantage

Do you know the struggles people in her condition live with? Do you know she could have gone suicidal or depressed and never achieved anything in life. If anybody is advantaged, it is the others that grew up to live a normal life.

Despite all odds and her condition, she made herself useful and set the record that people can thrive even wit abnormalities

That was why she went emotional and was shedding tears

Botragelad:

Look, putting our differences aside for a moment, I'm just trying to tackle this issue head-on. Some people are making a right fuss, saying she's not a woman or something, simply because she's got a masculine appearance, according to them, or had the audacity to punch her opponent hard in a fight. Are you one of these people? Lol

JuanDeDios:

You're going off on a tangent. Stay on topic.

Botragelad:

You keep repeating same nonsense and expect it to convince me or what!.

I'm guessing deep in your head you think it's just about XX or XY? XXY, XYY, or even Bleep? And what about mosaicism, where an individual has a mix of XX and XY cells?

Of course estrogen and progesterone are primarily female hormones, and for your information there are people with androgen insensitivity syndrome, who have XY chromosomes but develop female characteristics. And testosterone isn't just a "male hormone," it's present in both males and females, just in different levels. There are alsointersex individuals, who may have varying levels of hormones.

Visible organ is just the most basic aspect of sex determination. If we should go by that, what will you say about individuals who have undergone sex reassignment surgery?

madridguy:
I so much like the manner at which Angela Carini is crying