Botragelad:

You can be a pregnant woman and have XY chromosome. You know that right? So does it make them any less of a woman?
I can also tell you that sex chromosomes are not the sole determinant of a person's sex or gender. XY chromosomes don't automatically make someone "male". It's complex.

And what about individuals with variations like XXY, XYY, or Turner syndrome? Do they not fit into your "male" or "female" boxes? It's like you've never heard of intersex conditions or the nuances of human biology.

So please kindly explain to me how does not having XY chromosomes automatically disqualify someone from competing in women's sports. I await your response. Thanks!

Botragelad:
I've been noticing a load of misinformation floating about, and I think it even made it onto the front page at one point. So, I'm just going to lift this(explanation below) straight from a source, not my own work, mind you and give a brief rundown of the whole thing.




It's quite straightforward, really, for those who can be bothered to read and do their own research without blindly following the crowd of misinformation.

Below, you'll find photos of her from when she was a youngster, as well as her record. And, might I add, she's had a few fight and come out on the losing end, too.

yinkabeauty:


If you are reasonable, you will do your research, there is a benchmark, an average testosterone level in female anything alarming above this average level is a red flag, it has been done severally, it's called gender test with some other details of course.

JuanDeDios

JuanDeDios:

I think you're wasting your time. Dr Botragelad knows everything you wrote. He's just being disingenuous.

OALandAgents:
Not trans, considered intersex but is genetically and physiologically like an adult male complete with a healthy pair of functional testes, which is responsible for producing male levels of testosterone.

PJtech:

Turner syndrome are Females born with only one X chromosomes, how does that makes them male

brain54:
Born with xy chromosomes...

This is a very complex issue actually.

But I still feel it's an unfair advantage. It's like half male and half female.

Maybe it should be considered creating a special Olympics or games for these "unique" people!

PJtech:


In biology there's only two Gender male and female. There're different factors that decide human gender which chromosomes is one of the, another is the genital
Since your point is Turner syndrome are neither male or female so what about hermaphrodites. What gender are they?

You people trying to rubbish biology

PDPGuy:


In fact, she had lost 6 previous matches to her fellow women

GloriousGbola:


Mr sports guru, what is the name of the thread? What is the name of the other thread on this matter?

What has been the issue discussed in social media?

Is this the first Olympics with an intersex athlete?

You are so desperate to let everyone know that you allegedly have a masters in cell biology that you cannot see the forest for the trees. An educated nincompoop.

In the past few years there has been hysteria about transsexuals. Even more so because today there are repeated cases of unsuccessful male athletes transitioning to women and competing in women's sports. No one has figured out how to handle this

There was an attempt to paint this as a similar case.

It is in black and white but your obsession with regaling us with your obscure cellular biology degree and your need for fifteen minutes in the limelight as a pontificatibg 'expert' has you wasting everyone's time.

People with far more experience and knowledge than you have already decided that imane is eligible to compete.

The sore loser has been called to order and has apologized.

Instead of wasting everybodys time blowing your trumpet take your inane, long winded and ultimately irrelevant arguments to the Olympic Committee who have already used the wisdom and sense and experience which you so clearly lack and decided that imane was eligible to compete.

Nonsense and noisemaking.

The imane lady has been defeated numerous times before by biological women and so cannot be accused on having any unnatural advantage.

It is just unfortunate she sparred with an opponent who was weak both mentally and physically and a disgrace to competitive sports.

Not much difference between you and Angela Carini, all considered. weak minded unable to rise to the occasion and quick to start capping.

yinkabeauty:



You are a mumu, an unintelligent animal but you are just moving through your ignorance and darkness but do so in egoistic fashion, when you see idiot like you who speak from a point of ignorance, it's not difficult to determine for an enlightened mind and educated ones like us in the field of science.
Nicompoop and stupid kill you there! mumu is struggling to understand what it is and very egoistic about it.

What stupid thread is this one asking for, a thread that is caused by ignoramus like you who start unnecessary controversy calling intersex, transgender when they have not interviewed the person in question, if he feels like the opposite gender... ignorance everywhere, which eventually boomerangs to a thread and thank God for intelligent people like us who will move along to enlightened people like you with coconut 🥥 head.

Of course this is not the first Olympics with intersex athletes, we have seen them especially in sports that is not a direct engagement with the competitors like boxing, kickboxing, wrestling e.t.c and this lady is not the first to be talked about and athletes have been prevented before from competing, this lady and an Asian lady was also barred from competing in an event before the Olympics but those body are not in charge in this olympic boxing 🥊 because of corruption, so the case of these ones will be revisited in details after olympic, decision against them cannot be taken, when the competition is already on the way, so...

Idiot who is trying to impress you nonentity, mad boy?
but just to let you know you were not conversing with ignoramus like you, just for you to know what to say and not talking thrash.

There is no recent hysteria on transgender/transexual it has been there what amplified the terms is the MISUSE of intersex as transgender/transexual, intersex has been a term that has been so silent but the most controversial but what makes intersex comparatively silent is the misidentification of the terms as transgender/transexual, even the people in the media who are more sensible than you also struggle with the distinction between intersex/transgender/transexual, everything to them is transgender, people like us are the ones who enlight them.

You are the only one suffering from the headache of athletes transitioning into other gender e.g female to compete in their sports.
You are worried because you lack the knowledge there in , a transgender is a mere feeling of a particular gender feeling belonging to the other gender, a male transgender (feeling) example will become transexual if he actually transforms his feelings into action through surgeries, so in this case no matter who you are there is a barrier you must cross to make you eligible to compete , which brings fairness....be it intersex, transexuals, gender tests will bring light to who is eligible and not eligible to compete.
That's the essence of gender tests you fools don't want to admit, because people are born differently some are not outrightly male or female, while some will transform artificially, whichever, gender tests will set the limits and raise alarm on anomalies..
So that's how to handle a case of intersex and transexuals , gender test, only an uneducated and ignorant ones like you, things will be difficult for.

Ignorant ones like you mentioned "transgender" and how should that be a problem...mere feeling of not belonging to your assigned gender at birth and you may not have opposite gender attributes or chromosomes to feel this way, intersex is the right term.
And if at all they should have used the term "transexual" which is the actual transformation to other gender but "transgender" (ordinary feeling which can come from a normal female) is what they are shouting up and down, the source of confusion to those of you who are not knowledgeable.

You a big fool, it's not in black and white, your nonsensical write up suggests millions of idiots like you need enlightenment.

Again you are a bastard for saying she has been given a permanent green light in her (intesex - status ) career, a lady that was barred before olympics and another asian lady, why they left her now is because those set up who banned her before olympics are having issues relating to corruption and so their files and data are set aside for now and they are pushed aside, their cases will be revisited after the Olympics, they can't just push them out in the midst of the competition.
An ill informed and unenlightened animal who just want form I know.

You mean idiot like you, who is not informed and passing out misinformation has apologized? Ok then.

So as I told you, her case and others like her will be revisited in details after the Olympics to determine their fate henceforth, afterall Caster Semanya of South Africa 🇿🇦 was competing against normal female until steps wee taken against her, so when you this ill informed bastard want to pass information ensure you are passing the accurate ones and not misinformation.

You are insane for saying someone has lost in the past (perhaps choosing the fight to win or lose) then the right thing shouldn't be done? your head is not correct... If a cheating team is at the midtable, then because they are not the top that suggests, they have lost some matches, then they should be left alone and not sanction? Your brain 🧠 is in the gutter.

I and Carini don't subscribe to or celebrate cheating and undue advantage, and that's what any body with sense and good conscience should adopt, since you fail DNA test, and the one you taught is your father is celebrating you , as cheating run in your household 🏠, such cannot be said of other homes 🏡🏡.

GloriousGbola:


While you were using 4 hours to prompt chatgpt to post another wall of inane text carinni is already facing the reality of her poor sportsmanship

GloriousGbola:


While you were using 4 hours to prompt chatgpt to post another wall of inane text carinni is already facing the reality of her poor sportsmanship

Lawag3:


OK men can have a vagina a uterus ovaries and get pregnant.

I understand you now.

Afritop:
So Bobrisky too is not trans.

folake4u:


@ the bolded. What are you even saying?

So because she has high level of testosterone, she should use the men's bathroom too right?

I'm going by your logic now.

Angelfrost:
Bottom line...

She has too much "Manliness" in her bones and blood, which makes her unsuitable to compete against women who don't have such "advantages".

Olympics should revoke her participation immediately until this "anomaly" is corrected.

KushLyon:


You completely missed the point. You should probably stay out of this argument

Judolisco:
dem no born her with prick na.....no be she create herself... So u want her to fight with males? Dem go kill her

yinkabeauty:


Personal apology does not say right thing won't be done, Carini is not a governing body, she is just an individual who perhaps has not handled issue maturely....
You online rat just jumping quoting irrelevant things up and down.

yinkabeauty:


She shouldn't fight in any or else she will undego hormonal suppression to compete in female sports, or henceforth the authorities should create intersex and transexuals categories.

Pjtech

Gbeng30:
Is not her fault, it's the xy chromosome...they should allow her continue in the competition.

GloriousGbola:


This is your true form. Not the quasi intellectual 'biologist' you have been pretending to be

yinkabeauty:


She shouldn't fight in any or else she will undego hormonal suppression to compete in female sports, or henceforth the authorities should create intersex and transexuals categories.

Pjtech

yinkabeauty:




Lexy2014 didn't miss the point, all those ones are still who they are with no anomaly , can't be compared to a lady who is carrying a male biological factor that confers undue advantage on her.

Afterall in boxing 🥊for example, people of the same gender and age still don't end up in the same category, there is feather, banter, light, heavy weight categories despite their age bracket and the same gender but were put in different categories, and these ones don't have biological anomaly oo , let alone a lady with male factors.

Judolisco:
do u believe some men are naturally stronger than other men?

madridguy:
I so much like the manner at which Angela Carini is crying

yinkabeauty:




Lexy2014 didn't miss the point, all those ones are still who they are with no anomaly , can't be compared to a lady who is carrying a male biological factor that confers undue advantage on her.

Afterall in boxing 🥊for example, people of the same gender and age still don't end up in the same category, there is feather, banter, light, heavy weight categories despite their age bracket and the same gender but were put in different categories, and these ones don't have biological anomaly oo , let alone a lady with male factors.

yinkabeauty:


It doesn't have to be an outright male, the intersex status is dangerous enough and has formed the basis for disqualification or at least Legislation(law amendment) in the past, due to its' undue advantage.


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