tess1:

It's Smalling

Why on earth will it be Smalling when the purpose of our vermalen chase is to have reliable options at the back?

Smh for some of these papers sef

pkasso: I was coming to this.Yaya Toure relies on deadball scenarios for majority of his goals.

Compare his stat with Vidal's let's see na.

elampiro:
That's okay for a midfielder na. What about his assists? We arennt even talking of his constant 40 yards forward running threats on opponents in matches.

his assists, i am sure more than half of them would have come from set plays too.

All our midfielders couldn't contribute 10 goals in all competition last season. We played about 6 central midfielders.

if any of them was the chief set piece taker instead of rooney/RVP then we would be having 10+ goal scoring midfielder. you cannot ignore awoof goals scored via penalties to boost the stats of players like gerrard, hazard, lampard & gerrard.

elampiro:

Compare is stat with Vidal's let's see na.

Pirlo seems to be juve's dead ball specialist

coogar:

ronaldo wasn't anonymous in the final - bale & di maria were too selfish when they should have passed to cristiano. in the end, he scored a goal & madrid won.



how's suarez a top-9? which team has suarez ever played as a 9? elampiro, why do you misappropriate the facts to suit your argument?

* Ronaldo was anonymous in the final. When has Ronaldo ever have to rely on supplies?

* So who plays top 9 for Liverpool? I know Suarez as a striker, not 10 or a winger.

coogar:

his assists, i am sure more than half of them would have come from set plays too.

Until we see the stat.

I know Toure has probably the most beautiful assist last season when he ran ring around an opposition defence.

coogar:

if any of them was the chief set piece taker instead of rooney/RVP then we would be having 10+ goal scoring midfielder. you cannot ignore awoof goals scored via penalties to boost the stats of players like gerrard, hazard, lampard & gerrard.

According to your stat, Toure has about 10 goals from open play and corner kicks. What prevented our 6 CMs from scoring 10 goals collectively from all competitions last season?

elampiro:
* Ronaldo was also anonymous in the UCL final. Does it take away all that he did through the season?
* Suarez doesn't score in big games. Does it mean he's not the world best top 9 at the moment? Suarez won nothing last season. He failed in the Calrling cup and F A cup. Suarez is overrated according to your logic.

Ronaldo is a certified big-game player.He has proven that time and time again.He has the longest scoring streak in the El-Classico, scored in two UCL finals and has single-handedly won trophies.So one off game doesn't mean anything.




Suarez is not a traditional centre-foward.Zlatan is the best 9 in the business.There isn't much difference in talent between those three.So what do you think separates him from Ronaldo and Messi? That big game temperament.That ability to stand up and counted when it matters most.It's a known fact Ibra goes missing in big games.

Dadehmola:

Why on earth will it be Smalling when the purpose of our vermalen chase is to have reliable options at the back?

Smh for some of these papers sef

Probably Wenger's polite way of telling us to fcukk off...

Dadehmola:

Pirlo seems to be juve's dead ball specialist

Pirlo must be useless. Dead ball goals are not recognized in football. Unintelligent, ungifted, poor footballers are given kicks.

* May be Butner should have been taking our free kicks.

* I have seen Pirlo win a match for Juve with a perfect free kick just before final whistle.

I am suspicious of performances in the serie A to be honest.
I believe vidal is a good midfielder and possibly one of the best at the moment but i am not sure he is at the level so many think he is at.
75 percent of serie A teams are quite yeye and the league is not as good as it once was.

Having said all that my main issue with this potential transfer is his knee injury.
One knee injury can finish an athlete , especially one that was rushed back before time and not allowed to rest like vidal at the last world cup.
It would be double punishment if we paid such a big sum for yet another crocked player

elampiro:
* Ronaldo was anonymous in the final. When has Ronaldo ever have to rely on supplies?

ronaldo wasn't anonymous in the final....he played very well

* So who plays top 9 for Liverpool? I know Suarez as a striker, not 10 or a winger.

sturridge!!!
suarez plays on the left side of the attack & sterling plays on the right hand side.

elampiro:
Until we see the stat.
I know Toure has probably the most beautiful assist last season when he ran ring around an opposition defence.

toure is overrated!
he was undressêd by matic last season at the etihad in the biggest game of the season.

According to your stat, Toure has about 10 goals from open play and corner kicks. What prevented our 6 CMs from scoring 10 goals collectively from all competitions last season?

•the stupidity of moyes
•no primary set-piece taker in the midfield
•mata came too late to the party
•kagawa was sidelined.
•toure often plays as a number-10

pkasso: Ronaldo is a certified big-game player.He has proven that time and time again.He has the longest scoring streak in the El-Classico, scored in two UCL finals and has single-handedly won trophies.So one off game doesn't mean anything.




Suarez is not a traditional centre-foward.Zlatan is the best 9 in the business.There isn't much difference in talent between those three.So what do you think separates him from Ronaldo and Messi? That big game temperament.That ability to stand up and counted when it matters most.It's a known fact Ibra goes missing in big games.

Abegi.

Toure has don his bit when he was Barca CM.

Secondly, Toure is one key player who moved City from a no team to EPL two time champions. It's like joining Tottenham and trying to prove yourself. Bale wouldn't win jack if he were still in Tottenham.

coogar:

vidal is coming.......
his injury is what louis van gaal is still assessing. paying that much for a crock would be disappointing especially when strootman is certainly joining in january.

Until it happens, I will adopt the doubting Thomas position: seeing is believing.
All these rumours appear driven by the agent to force United into buying the guy at a rate commensurate to our desperation.
I still don't have a valid lead to believe that anything concrete is in the offing. And all these rag websites reporting that the deal is done are doing this just to drive the trafic on their sites.
But what is your assessment on his price?

coogar:

anderson ain't going nowhere. LVG has said he must assess everyone before making a decision. fellaini, anderson & carrick haven't been put through the tests yet.

interesting because a decision would have to be made before august 31 on the afore-mentioned names.
That doesn't spare anyone of them from the impending cull.

coogar:

ronaldo wasn't anonymous in the final....he played very well



sturridge!!!
suarez plays on the left side of the attack & sterling plays on the right hand side.

I saw many Liverpool games last season. Suarez played the number 9 more than Sturridge. Sometimes when both starts, they play as two strikers as they did to us in OT. Some other times, they play fluid forward. But Suarez play the number 9 mostly, particularly the period Sturridge went back to the bench for Coutinho.

Coogar, Ramsey >>> Yaya Toure

StarBoard:
Until it happens, I will adopt the doubting Thomas position: seeing is believing.
All these rumours appear driven by the agent to force United into buying the guy at a rate commensurate to our desperation.

vidal himself wants to leave juventus. if we meet the asking price, we would get him.

I still don't have a valid lead to believe that anything concrete is in the offing. And all these rag websites reporting that the deal is done are doing this just to drive the trafic on their sites. But what is your assessment on his price?

the price is £42m & £182k per week.
i think it's a fair price - everyone knows we need his type of services the most in our midfield. we are almost desperate to have someone of his kind & that is the reason his price was set high.

interesting because a decision would have to be made before august 31 on the afore-mentioned names.
That doesn't spare anyone of them from the impending cull.

he won't sell them until he assesses them. that much is clear. he has stated he would give everyone a try.....so i expect to see ando & fellaini completing 90 mins against valencia in the friendlies.

elampiro:
I saw many Liverpool games last season. Suarez played the number 9 more than Sturridge. Sometimes when both starts, they play as two strikers as they did to us in OT. Some other times, they play fluid forward. But Suarez play the number 9 mostly, particularly the period Sturridge went back to the bench for Coutinho.

no, you didn't see many liverpool games - you are just twisting the facts to suit your argument. this was the same elampiro that told us suarez drops deep to the midfield to get the ball when you were defending rooney's lack of positional discipline last season.

sturridge has always been the furthest liverpool player from their goalie, not suarez. sturridge is the number-9, not suarez. when coutinho is on the pitch, he sits behind suarez & sturridge in a double-pronged attack.

Keky: Coogar, Ramsey >>> Yaya Toure

That's one good midfielder you mentioned there.

afrodoc: I am suspicious of performances in the serie A to be honest.
I believe vidal is a good midfielder and possibly one of the best at the moment but i am not sure he is at the level so many think he is at.
75 percent of serie A teams are quite yeye and the league is not as good as it once was.

Having said all that my main issue with this potential transfer is his knee injury.
One knee injury can finish an athlete , especially one that was rushed back before time and not allowed to rest like vidal at the last world cup.
It would be double punishment if we paid such a big sum for yet another crocked player

There are quality players in Serie A. Don't be convinced that it is rubbish because their teams perform poorly in Europe. The fact is that the Premier league and La Liga and even the French League are pulling away the best players from Italian sides mainly because of wages. The Juves and Milans and the Inters can't throw as much cash as they used to at players anymore, but every now and then there is an unearthing of decent to good players in the Serie A. Take for example the Cuadrado that is being linked to us as well as the Freddy Guarin guy.

But I agree with your post for the most parts.
A knee injury has the potential to undermine a career, which is why i am wary of the Vidal signing especially for that amount.
I am in no way doubting his ability. He appears to be a decent player at the very least and I saw the demolition job he did on Chelsea November 2012 in Turin. If he can replicate that form consistently then we are likely to be in good shape offensively.

Hmmmmmm

Anderson has little hope in this formation.......scratch that anderson has little hope in any formation(unless we are forming a BIG BIG circle).
He is usually injured and when not injured he is usually overweight.
When u factor in his technical limitations as a midfielder u know he is likely a goner.
Fellaini is bereft of skill so he should go too

coogar:

toure is overrated!
he was undressêd by matic last season at the etihad in the biggest game of the season.




•the stupidity of moyes
•no primary set-piece taker in the midfield
•mata came too late to the party
•kagawa was sidelined.
•toure often plays as a number-10

* Toure played without his regular midfield partner and he wasn't even fit. Why did Matic not save Chelsea when they met in the cup fixture.

* Excuse, excuse. How many goals did our midfielders add the previous seasons?

* How many midfielders have 20 goals and 9 assists, world all over?

coogar:

toure is overrated!
he was undressêd by matic last season at the etihad in the biggest game of the season.




•the stupidity of moyes
•no primary set-piece taker in the midfield
•mata came too late to the party
•kagawa was sidelined.
•toure often plays as a number-10

* Toure played without his regular midfield partner and he wasn't even fit. Why did Matic not save Chelsea when they met in the cup fixture.

* Excuse, excuse. How many goals did our midfielders add the previous seasons?

* How many midfielders have 20 goals and 9 assists, world all over?



Matic even went home empty handed while Toure won two trophies.

Keky: Hmmmmmm

Elampiro, look at the charts Keky posted and tell us how Toure is better than Vidal, even after having played more minutes?

coogar:
vidal himself wants to leave juventus. if we meet the asking price, we would get him.

all I've heard are largely unsubstantiated reports to the effect.
Who knows whether he was about to get laid before telling his friends he wanted to leave. And if he did want to leave, he never gave the slightest hint of his preferred destination.

coogar:
the price is £42m & £182k per week.
i think it's a fair price - everyone knows we need his type of services the most in our midfield. we are almost desperate to have someone of his .

we are desperate. Which is why Juve are driving up his price despite the injury he sustained before the world cup which may not have been 100%.

coogar:
he won't sell them until he assesses them. that much is clear. he has stated he would give everyone a try.....so i expect to see ando & fellaini completing 90 mins against valencia in the friendlies.

I'm not sure one friendly consist of enough time to achieve that, especially since there are barely two weeks before the end of the transfer window.
But I will believe he will find some way to achieve that purpose.

elampiro:

Abegi.

Toure has don his bit when he was Barca CM.

Secondly, Toure is one key player who moved City from a no team to EPL two time champions. It's like joining Tottenham and trying to prove yourself. Bale wouldn't win jack if he were still in Tottenham.

Toure is a star among many other stars so don't try and sell that bullshyte of him winning the league all by himself.Aguero and Silva were arguably more decisive in City winning the first of those two league titles.Busquets was the midfield anchor and Toure was reduced to a passenger role when Barca won those UCL and along with other titles.

elampiro:
* Toure played without his regular midfield partner and he wasn't even fit. Why did Matic not save Chelsea when they met in the cup fixture.

so toure needs his partner to function? that clearly shows toure is overrated. matic mauled toure.

* Excuse, excuse. How many goals did our midfielders add the previous seasons?

which of carrick, cleverley, anderson, scholes, etc have played the number-10 role for us in the league? which of them have scored 6 goals from the penalty spot?

* How many midfielders have 20 goals and 9 assists, world all over?

how many midfielders get the opportunity to score 13 goals from set plays?

coogar:

no, you didn't see many liverpool games - you are just twisting the facts to suit your argument. this was the same elampiro that told us suarez drops deep to the midfield to get the ball when you were defending rooney's lack of positional discipline last season.

sturridge has always been the furthest liverpool player from their goalie, not suarez. sturridge is the number-9, not suarez. when coutinho is on the pitch, he sits behind suarez & sturridge in a double-pronged attack.

I saw the games. Sturridge was number 9 until Suarez returned from suspension. Sturridge even soon went on injury. At the tail end of the season, Sturridge was being used from bench or rotated with Coutinho. Surez and Sterling were the regulars.

pkasso: Toure is a star among many other stars so don't try and sell that bullshyte of him winning the league all by himself.Aguero and Silva were arguably more decisive in City winning the first of those two league titles.Busquets was the midfield anchor and Toure was reduced to a passenger role when Barca won those UCL and along with other titles.

I believe Toure started at CB vs United in Rome.
Just asking.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2719746/Manchester-United-s-15million-Thomas-Vermaelen-Arsenal-want-Chris-Smalling-swap-deal-Barcelona-set-sign-defender-four-year-deal.html
Vermaelen gone.

StarBoard:
There are quality players in Serie A. Don't be convinced that it is rubbish because their teams perform poorly in Europe. The fact is that the Premier league and La Liga and even the French League are pulling away the best players from Italian sides mainly because of wages. The Juves and Milans and the Inters can't throw as much cash as they used to at players anymore, but every now and then there is an unearthing of decent to good players in the Serie A. Take for example the Cuadrado that is being linked to us as well as the Freddy Guarin guy.

But I agree with your post for the most parts.
A knee injury has the potential to undermine a career, which is why i am wary of the Vidal signing especially for that amount.
I am in no way doubting his ability. He appears to be a decent player at the very least and I saw the demolition job he did on Chelsea November 2012 in Turin. If he can replicate that form consistently then we are likely to be in good shape offensively.

Yeah quality players are unearthed in the league as in other leagues and i know that there are some good players there.
However when u consider the poor performance of the serie A teams in d UCL and also the fact that this juve side goes thru almost every season undefeated or close to undefeated

elampiro,
sign this guy na.
He has pace and power.

elampiro:
I saw the games. Sturridge was number 9 until Suarez returned from suspension. Sturridge even soon went on injury. At the tail end of the season, Sturridge was being used from bench or rotated with Coutinho. Surez and Sterling were the regulars.

stop lying to us...
sturridge appeared 29 times in the league(same as wayne rooney) and he was a centre forward for liverpool in all those games.

29/38 is not rotation.

StarBoard:
I believe Toure started at CB vs United in Rome.
Just asking.

that was because puyol had to play as a RB in the final. the regular guy there got a controversial suspension and barca were fighting to get him back just like we wanted fletcher back too. until then, busquets had reduced toure to a molue passenger on the bench.