coogar: codedguy, e don do na
the issue is done & dusted, we should be looking at who to bring in & assess the new faces. this bickering will not achieve nada.

what do you think of blackett? apart from letting bony take the freekick that led to the second goal, he was flawless yesterday.

lingard also tried his best before he got injured. should we keep the young lads or send them on loan to the bottom teams?

We need minimum of 2 top CB to pair with Evans. All our CBs yesterday should be backup. Our wingbacks should be taken over by our fullbacks. We should get also get 2 top midfielders and we should be set.

codedguy1:
Truth be told we have found ourselves in an unfamiliar place and it aint comfortable.
LvG is the only thing that is keeping hope alive now! I think.

he will get it right - he needs few additions but our squad is good enough to compete for the title.

Blacket, lingard, James are decent guys but we don't need them to play a lot of games thes season, they should be playing in FA cup and the rest.

united's philosophy has never been throwing money at every problem. it's about bringing youth players through with few additions of mercenary players. the last squad that won in europe for us had brown, o'shea, saha, js park, etc in it. the squad was hardly scary too.

We need to buy marquee players especially defenders, but again anyone we buy form outside the EPL will have to adapt to it and then adapt to the new formation with 3defenders if that's the route LvG wants to take.

we just need to get players loyal to the cause. vidic & evra weren't marquee players when we bought them but they gave it their all. it's about the heart & the determination. are our players doing enough to even wear the red shirt? the big players are letting us down.

wanyama has destroyed gerrard in the game i am watching as we speak & he costs about 10% of gerrard's value. if you compare the united team that won the treble to the top teams in europe in 98/99, we were the most inferior of the lot!

We are supposed to be Man United rubbing shoulders with the likes of RM, Barca and Bayern yet we have pple like Young, Cleverly, Fellaini, Valencia, Nani etc manning our wings and midfield. Compare that to RM, bayern and Barca- Ronaldo, shweini, Robbery, muller, iniesta, xavi,Lahm, Messi, Bale, James, Alonso, busquets, Kroos, even isco sef.

we have 2 of the top 4 highest earners in the football world. understandably, one of them was mostly injured & unfit for most of the last season, the other is just useless and not worth the hype or the money spent on him.

there's kagawa, hernandez, rafael, mata, nani & herrera. you can hardly say these aren't top class players in their own rights. surely, we need experience in the defence & one marquee signing in the black hole we call the midfield and that's it.

We have a lot of featherweight in that team, but I trust LvG sha.

In the Moyes era we gave him sometime, so make i give LvG 2months, except he does not desrve it because THIS IS LOUIS VAN GAAL THE MASTER TACTICIAN!

LVG will get it right......but he needs to start telling the fat scouser to shape up or get benched. there's no way a fat scouser should be earning the best salary in world football & yet producing the effort of a second division striker in afghanistan league.

One 'marquee signing' in midfield? Isn't that what Herrera was supposed to be? Or doesn't £29m get you a 'marquee' signing these days?

debosky: One 'marquee signing' in midfield? Isn't that what Herrera was supposed to be? Or doesn't £29m get you a 'marquee' signing these days?

and yet you got santi, ozil & alexi in your own midfield in the last 2 years. how come you have 3 marquee signings in yours and united can't even have 2 in theirs?

d-ebola, mind yourself o!

Santi is now a marquee signing? A £16m player from Malaga that the phat one from Chelski was insulting from pillar to post?

If Santi is a Marquee signing, you already have yours in Fellaini who cost nearly twice what Santi did.

Ozil I'll accept as marquee, but Alexis is more of a forward IMO, and you already have marquee forwards in Rooney and RVP.

debosky: Santi is now a marquee signing? A £16m player from Malaga that the phat one from Chelski was insulting from pillar to post?

wasn't he your highest outlay on a midfielder when he was bought? not even arshavin cost as much so as far as arsenal's little budget are concerned, santi was a marquee signing....

If Santi is a Marquee signing, you already have yours in Fellaini who cost nearly twice what Santi did.

our budget differs
united are thrice as big as arsenal so the value won't always hold the same weight. united haven't invested in their midfield since 2007. this is 2014, you will agree that department of their team needs "renovation".

Ozil I'll accept as marquee, but Alexis is more of a forward IMO, and you already have marquee forwards in Rooney and RVP.

alexis na midfielder jare.......in the mould of david silva, nasri, ozil, kagawa or mata. even your FPL recognises him as a midfielder. fact remains the midfield has been united's blind spot for aeons & they need to pump funds into their midfield. if we spend £100m on our midfield, it won't be excessive.

elampiro:

There's a difference between a constructive criticism and a malicious one.

However, Rooney doesn't earn higher than those guys. Even when Rooney and RVP were at £250k last season, the blames went to Rooney, wholly. Every goal RVP scored was praised and embellished with best grammar from Oxford dictionary, irrespective of whether we won or lost or even whether he played well. When Rooney scored, it has to be labeled a fluke.

You will soon see such comments on this thread once RVP resumes 'goal Man United- RVP shows Rooney how it's done'. Similar comments will follow from these same set of people here. At times their malicious comments would forget one is a top 9 while the other is a hole player in a 4-2-3-1 set up.



Too bad!

Bros i think you need to calm down.
Practically everybody here has disagreed with Coogar at one point or the other. There is only one regular here who agrees with everything Coogar says, so you are very mistaken in your view that people just blindly follow opinions here.
The only difference is you appear to take the football debates too personal maybe because you are the only one here who equals Coogar in NL stamina and determination to win an argument.

Dadehmola,Ruudie,Chamotex,Montelik,MrTA,Nihilist,Dayokanu,Ibime e.t.c have had several arguments with Coogar over the years and some of them bloody.........THERE IS NO ILLUMINATI here , it is a figment of your imagination

afrodoc:

Bros i think you need to calm down.
Practically everybody here has disagreed with Coogar at one point or the other. There is only one regular here who agrees with everything Coogar says, so you are very mistaken in your view that people just blindly follow opinions here.
The only difference is you appear to take the football debates too personal maybe because you are the only one here who equals Coogar in NL stamina and determination to win an argument.

Dadehmola,Ruudie,Chamotex,Montelik,MrTA,Nihilist,Dayokanu,Ibime e.t.c have had several arguments with Coogar over the years and some of them bloody.........THERE IS NO ILLUMINATI here , it is a figment of your imagination

I think elampiro's frustration stems from the fact that he always appears to be a one-man-mopol during those arguments with coogar.

Elampiro, Could this be an indirect way of you soliciting support??

coogar:
he will get it right - he needs few additions but our squad is good enough to compete for the title.

I know LvG must have been personally embarrassed by losing that first game. It would have jolted him and I know he will react. His experienced won't make him panick anyways.

We need to see those few additions now.

coogar:

united's philosophy has never been throwing money at every problem. it's about bringing youth players through with few additions of mercenary players. the last squad that won in europe for us had brown, o'shea, saha, js park, etc in it. the squad was hardly scary too.
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Considering what we went through last season with Moyes with reference to where we finished on the table and no european football (CL in particular) I think we need to throw some money for quality, albeit, the right quality. LvG has come in and has said he is assessing the team. We will soon see the result of his assessment at the end of this transfer season.

[quote author=coogar]

we just need to get players loyal to the cause. vidic & evra weren't marquee players when we bought them but they gave it their all. it's about the heart & the determination. are our players doing enough to even wear the red shirt? the big players are letting us down.
wanyama has destroyed gerrard in the game i am watching as we speak & he costs about 10% of gerrard's value. if you compare the united team that won the treble to the top teams in europe in 98/99, we were the most inferior of the lot!

I agree! We need players who might also be used to this system, they will help our present defenders better understand the system.

98/99 is a long time. Things have changed oo.

coogar:

we have 2 of the top 4 highest earners in the football world. understandably, one of them was mostly injured & unfit for most of the last season, the other is just useless and not worth the hype or the money spent on him.
there's kagawa, hernandez, rafael, mata, nani & herrera. you can hardly say these aren't top class players in their own rights. surely, we need experience in the defence & one marquee signing in the black hole we call the midfield and that's it.

Yes we need experience in the defence and Midfield and am optimistic LvG will address it.
I just want to say that when quality is surrounded by quality it only leads to success. When the bulk of the team is quality it will improve the likes of young new players being blooded in. When one has too many average players that pretend to be quality because they manage to play for united its a disaster, young players will struggle and and quality will drop. I wonder why Madrid and Barca always try to break the bank just to make sure the quality in their team is 80%.it only helps the supposedly young potential players they bring in. Bayerns buys everything that's is exceptional in their league just to make sure they stay top.

coogar:
LVG will get it right......but he needs to start telling the fat scouser to shape up or get benched. there's no way a fat scouser should be earning the best salary in world football & yet producing the effort of a second division striker in afghanistan league.

I am actually scared of agreeing with you on this again because on pea-sized brained billygoat in Edo state will assume that's the official position of everybody in the thread.

Na wa o...see multiple mentions of my moniker

I con dey run down looking for the fight...

Coogar and Elampiro...where is the blood? Where are the broken teeth?

Abeg it's a beautiful summer day here in the midlands o...if I must be distracted, then murder must be on the menu.

By the way, has anyone seen Captain Echo? Or has he been arrested for impersonation?

Or is codedguy1 the replacement for Mr Me Too?

I detect a lot of head nodding and yessir'ing...

@coogar

What is LVG going to do about Shinji Kagawa? Is the lad part of his plans?

Dadehmola:

I think elampiro's frustration stems from the fact that he always appears to be a one-man-mopol during those arguments with coogar.

Elampiro, Could this be an indirect way of soliciting for support??

LOL
On their Rooney debate i have always said they are both wrong. Rooney is not as good as Elampiro thinks and he is not as bad as Coogar makes him out to be. It is not a lie that Rooney's first touch is poor for a player of his status and his short passing is at times horrible. The final nail in Rooney's coffin is the fact that Rooney peaked at 20yrs of age.
HOWEVER Rooney is not the origin of ALL PROBLEMS in this team and there are many other problems and problem players in this team, just that all of us here have different opinions as to who those players are.
If Elampiro needs support all he needs to do is ask nicely,he should just not count on me in any Valencia argument

@coogar&co

What is LVG going to do about Shinji Kagawa? Is the lad part of his plans? Or he would remain in the fringes of this united squad like last season?

#COYG

codedguy1:
Yes we need experience in the defence and Midfield and am optimistic LvG will address it.
I just want to say that when quality is surrounded by quality it only leads to success. When the bulk of the team is quality it will improve the likes of young new players being blooded in. When one has too many average players that pretend to be quality because they manage to play for united its a disaster, young players will struggle and and quality will drop. I wonder why Madrid and Barca always try to break the bank just to make sure the quality in their team is 80%.it only helps the supposedly young potential players they bring in. Bayerns buys everything that's is exceptional in their league just to make sure they stay top.

actually, you are right.....
some school of thoughts actually believe united should be spending as much as barca/madrid/bayern. ed woodward has told us our coffers is filled with money and so we should spend.

arsenal bought ozil at £42m. barca got suarez for £75m, madrid signed bale @ £86m. united should be signing players within this bracket as well. where is the £750m chevrolet paid?

van gaal should get vidal, cudrado and blind asap! if it's possible, we should get vlaar too. i have come to realise it's almost impossible for us to have fit players. it's going to be a long hard season, we need numbers in our squad.

we cannot compete with squads like this...

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1633346_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

No support.

We want blood, sweat and tears gaddemit

Nihilist: Or is codedguy1 the replacement for Mr Me Too?

I detect a lot of head nodding and yessir'ing...

Nihilist: Or is codedguy1 the replacement for Mr Me Too?
I detect a lot of head nodding and yessir'ing...

Hahahaha you wish!!!

Nihilist: Or is codedguy1 the replacement for Mr Me Too?

I detect a lot of head nodding and yessir'ing...

LOL you too like roforofo, what are you implying? Are you saying Mr Me Too(whoever that is) and codedguy1 are one and the same person?

For us to confirm just tell us who Mr Me Too is then we can analyze their posts for patterns and identifiers

afrodoc:

LOL you too like roforofo, what are you implying? Are you saying Mr Me Too(whoever that is) and codedguy1 are one and the same person?

For us to confirm just tell us who Mr Me Too is then we can analyze their posts for patterns and identifiers

Mr Me Too is an elusive character...he is so much of a chameleon that nobody is really sure who he is...

Nitlad told me that he is also called starboard...

I'm not sure though...can anyone confirm if the poster with that moniker has ever posted an original opinion on this thread?

Nihilist:

Mr Me Too is an elusive character...he is so much of a chameleon that nobody is really sure who he is...

Nitlad told me that he is also called starboard...

I'm not sure though...can anyone confirm if the poster with that moniker has ever posted an original opinion on this thread?

ohhhhh ok.......hmmmmm,very interesting

afrodoc:
On their Rooney debate i have always said they are both wrong. Rooney is not as good as Elampiro thinks and he is not as bad as Coogar makes him out to be. It is not a lie that Rooney's first touch is poor for a player of his status and his short passing is at times horrible. The final nail in Rooney's coffin is the fact that Rooney peaked at 20yrs of age.

you have agreed that:

•rooney has the first touch of a räpist
•rooney's short passing is extremely poor
•rooney peaked at 20

and yet, coogar is wrong?

coogar:

actually, you are right.....
some school of thoughts actually believe united should be spending as much as barca/madrid/bayern. ed woodward has told us our coffers is filled with money and so we should spend.

I can wager that everyone of the past 5 seasons you have spent more on purchases than Bayern.

Abi no be money you spend on Mata, RvP, Faillaini Shaw, Herrera, De Gea, Young etc?

Maybe your signings have been wacked which would be another argument but saying you dont spend as much as Bayern is false

That didnt stop Bayern from doing better than you 4 of the past 5 seasons in the CL

coogar:

you have agreed that:

•rooney has the first touch of a räpist
•rooney's short passing is extremely poor
•rooney peaked at 20

and yet, coogar is wrong?

I would score Elampiro 3/10 and you 4/10 in this issue. It detracts from the more serious problems in the team, not like NL has any say in how the club is run though.
However if the board and management view the problem like either of you then all United fans are in trouble. Rooney is not the main cause of all United's troubles neither is he the panacea

afrodoc:

Bros i think you need to calm down.
Practically everybody here has disagreed with Coogar at one point or the other. There is only one regular here who agrees with everything Coogar says, so you are very mistaken in your view that people just blindly follow opinions here.
The only difference is you appear to take the football debates too personal maybe because you are the only one here who equals Coogar in NL stamina and determination to win an argument.

Dadehmola,Ruudie,Chamotex,Montelik,MrTA,Nihilist,Dayokanu,Ibime e.t.c have had several arguments with Coogar over the years and some of them bloody.........THERE IS NO ILLUMINATI here , it is a figment of your imagination

They may disagree with Coogar on a number of issues, but when post match analysis starts, they line up behind Coogar against Rooney. I am not referring to everybody. There are constant set of people doing this.

Did you remember when Rooney gave a 5 star performance against Leverkusen? What happened? It looks to me now, they are RVP loyalists too. Rooney scapegoat. RVP sacred cow.

They are the ayagayagayagayos. They know themselves. I know about four people who immediately enter into their elements when there is a single (chekere) reason to criticize Rooney. When Rooney scored two against West Ham, one from 57 yards, they still look for a way to flaw him.

So what's the thread about? Sentiments?

raumdeuter:
I can wager that everyone of the past 5 seasons you have spent more on purchases than Bayern.

Abi no be money you spend on Mata, RvP, Faillaini Shaw, Herrera, De Gea, Young etc?

Maybe your signings have been wacked which would be another argument but saying you dont spend as much as Bayern is false

That didnt stop Bayern from doing better than
you 4 of the past 5 seasons in the CL

thunder fire you....
when did united spend £40m on a defensive midfielder like javi martinez? then you have bought lewandowski, goetze, robbery, thiago, etc.

afrodoc:
I would score Elampiro 3/10 and you 4/10 in this issue. It detracts from the more serious problems in the team, not like NL has any say in how the club is run though.
However if the board and management view the problem like either of you then all United fans are in trouble. Rooney is not the main cause of all United's troubles neither is he the panacea

rooney is the only problem we have. if we have a goal machine in the attack, we would have won the game against swansea. rooney had 6 attempts at goal, only one went in.

compare that to sturridge today, sterling, ramsey, etc? how many chances should a striker like rooney get to score a hatrick? 21?

elampiro:

They may disagree with Coogar on a number of issues, but when post match analysis starts, they line up behind Coogar against Rooney. I am not referring to everybody. There are constant set of people doing this.

Did you remember when Rooney gave a 5 star performance against Leverkusen? What happened? It looks to me now, they are RVP loyalists too. Rooney scapegoat. RVP sacred cow.

They are the ayagayagayagayos. They know themselves. I know about four [b]people [/b]who immediately enter into their elements when there is a single (chekere) reason to criticize Rooney. When Rooney scored two against West Ham, one from 57 yards, they still look for a way to flaw him.

So what's the thread about? Sentiments?

Who are these people. Coogar is one and Gustavo appears to have noticed another in Starboard . So who are the remaining 2? Because when you start casting aspersions on some people who you do not name it seems like you are casting aspersions on all.

coogar:

thunder fire you....
when did united spend £40m on a defensive midfielder like javi martinez? then you have bought lewandowski, goetze, robbery, thiago, etc.



rooney is the only problem we have. if we have a goal machine in the attack, we would have won the game against swansea. rooney had 6 attempts at goal, only one went in.

compare that to sturridge today, sterling, ramsey, etc? how many chances should a striker like rooney get to score a hatrick? 21?

You need to take this argument up with your partner in crime Elamps baba

A midfield pivot of Fernando and fernandinho is definitely elampiro's dream combo. That's about 500000horsepower at the centre of the park for city!!!

coogar:
thunder fire you....
when did united spend £40m on a defensive midfielder like javi martinez? then you have bought lewandowski, goetze, robbery, thiago, etc.

When has Bayern spent 30m on an 18yr old Left Back like Shaw?

Why not list the total amount you have spent and the total amount Bayern has in ANY season and lets compare

Afrodoc what makes Rooney short passes poor? You have also bought into that fallacy? Rooney gets lots of assists from short passes. His short passes makes it possible for Valencia and Welbeck to come one vs one with the goalkeeper many times. When we had a good run last season during Christmas, his short passes bailed us out when he played the number 10 but decided to drop very deep. We may have one or few off matches. RVP, Mata, Kagawa, Chicha have similar problems. But Rooney is more adventurous with his passes, whether short or long.



Anyway your opinion.

afrodoc:

You need to take this argument up with your partner in crime Elamps baba

I beg don't mind him. If we are to go by that logic, Ronaldo was the worst player in te world cup. He made the highest attempts at goal. Not to mention he missed the highest number of CCC in the world cup in just three games.

Stats are only pulled out when they don't favour Rooney. By December, no body will hear about this particular stat again. Another one will be searched out.

elampiro: Afrodoc what makes Rooney short passes poor? You have also bought into that fallacy? Rooney gets lots of assists from short passes. His short passes makes it possible for Valencia and Welbeck to come one vs one with the goalkeeper many times. When we had a good run last season during Christmas, his short passes bailed us out when he played the number 10 but decided to drop very deep. We may have one or few off matches. RVP, Mata, Kagawa, Chicha have similar problems. But Rooney is more adventurous with his passes, whether short or long.



Anyway your opinion.

It is statements like the first highlighted that makes it seem like the whole world is against you.Bought into what fallacy? Since you know it is my opinion why are you saying i bought into a fallacy?

So everybody who does not agree with you has been brainwashed? So you are the only person God has given the gift of original thought? It just shows your level of enlightenment(or lack of it).