agaugust:


SANDF Rooikats have a 76mm gun copy of Italian Oto melara. Rooikat gun is reputed incapable of shooting straight.

Mongoose defense system is NOT operational yet
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Wouldnt say its a copy of the italian gun but its definitely based on the the oto melara witch is a naval gun,dus more powerful than your average 76mm as for the rooikat in picture that is definitely not a 76mm much thicker and longer than the 76mm.

And as for it not shooting straight, any citation to back that up,because as far as i know the rooikat 76 was pretty accurate! and could penetrate t62 armour at 1km, although it was never intended to be a tank destroyer.

76mm rooikat, 105mm rooikat, 120mm rooikat?

Just getting back to th jf-17 vs gripen topic:

I really do think for the money the jf-17 is a pretty good fighter with good air-to-air capability, decent air-to-ground capability and excellent anti ship capability definitely making it a 4th gen aircraft , but it cant be compared to the gripen. what makes the gripen special is not because its the fastest(can reach mach 2.3 though),the most manoeuvrable,our carries the most payload, what makes its special is its ground braking software, making the gripen extremely easy to operate and enabling it to engage multiple targets at once including air and ground targets at the same time. Saaf gripens also operate the Cobra HMD witch is one of the best if not thee best HMD currently in service and is also being integrated into the gripen ng/ e,f. Dus the current gripens are closer to a 5th gen fighter than a 4th gen fighter. The gripen e/f will also be the first 6th gen aircraft in the world.

More about the Cobra HMD:www.saabgroup.com/en/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/2011---9/Helmet-Mounted-Display-System-now-operational-in-South-African-Air-Force/?a7pageid=37457

The lies we tell ourselves to sleep well at night.

So, SAAF Gripen is now a 5th Gen fighter....m. what a comic relief.

Henry120:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1914829_kland_jpege8fcff8bcb00521d044817a29bd74964
My response

Hi all,

Just found this forum by chance and wanted to set some facts right. I'm not a Nigerian, or even an African. Never even been to Africa actually. Just an Aviation Enthusiast.

The above chart was compiled by Pakistani JF-17 Fans and they cherry pick specs when the jf-17 was still in development. The production variant specs can be found in Pakistan Aeronautical Complex's official website - http://www.pac.org.pk/jf-17

And also the latest IDEAS 2014 which was concluded just 3 days back - http://s3.postimg.org/qfq5j5d83/2014_IDEAS_JF_17_Specifications_Infoboard_Placar.jpg

Here is another link which consolidates all Official sources and lists out the specifications. It's very meticulous and technical, so might not appeal for casual Aviation fans. http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/fighterplanes/texts/articles/jf-17specifications.html
But in the end it rounds off with the Specifications, if you just want the final result.

Also, Block 3 is not even on the drawing board. And its unclear whether Nigeria will receive Block 1 or Block 2. Actually the deal hasn't even been signed yet. It's in final stages according to Pakistani officials. And the only changes to Block 2 from Block 1 are the mid-air refueling probe and some avionics improvement. JF-17, either block 1 or Block 2 has no AESA, no IRST, no HMS/HMDS,

The only fighters PAF gets these days are the cheap JF-17s(and free F-16s from U.S WoT payments and donations which stipulates Pakistani should only buy U.S hardware from the money they give) and there is a reason for that. We are basically talking about a fighter which even the main developer, China, has refused to induct in its own airforce. That doesn't inspire much confidence if you ask me. The only reason pakistan wants this fighter is because it cannot get anything else. It is basically broke. It cannot even get J-10 because the chinese demanded $45 million a pop for the fighter, and PAF cannot afford it.

Not to mention the fact that JF-17 is just a further development of the 1950's MiG-21 family. I dont know about you but I wouldn't want to go into battle in 2020 in a heavily modified 1950's MiG-21.
http://s13.postimg.org/l52243t13/grumman_super_7_sabre_II_1_big.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/3t1pinzjr/grumman_super_7_sabre_II_2_big.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/u2ms1glh3/grumman_super_7_sabre_II_3_big.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/6ux36d22f/jf_17_prototype_1.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/rivql3nav/super_7_jf_17_1.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/ha39f9z93/super_7_jf_17_2.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/miyad5ho7/mig_21_jf_17_family.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/aq0h8xl87/jf_17_mig_21.jpg


My personal opinion, Nigeria would be better off with J-10s or MiG-29Ms or even Su-30s. If they are selecting JF-17 against all these options, it means there is some other factors involved.. one factor Nigeria's Airforce doesn't have much money to spend or basically there is corruption involved in this deal.

Regards,
-23

Not to mention the fact that JF-17 is just a further development of the 1950's MiG-21 family. I dont know about you but I wouldn't want to go into battle in 2020 in a heavily modified 1950's MiG-21.

Double post.

Double post.

Double post.

Double post. Sorry.

Henry120:
The lies we tell ourselves to sleep well at night.

So, SAAF Gripen is now a 5th Gen fighter....m. what a comic relief.

Never said it was 5th gen, but its more of a 5th gen aircraft than a 4th gen, a 4.5 gen if you will.

jl115:


Never said it was 5th gen, but its more of a 5th gen aircraft than a 4th gen, a 4.5 gen if you will.

Why don't we just round it up to 7th gen, or better still "Martian tech"

MiG23:
Double post.

Would respond in due course. However, good a thing you mentioned it's a "further development".

Let me take a guess, you're European.

Henry120:


Would respond in due course. However, good a thing you mentioned it's a "further development".

Let me take a guess, you're European.

North American actually. I'm from the states.

MiG23:

North American actually. I'm from the states.

Oh the guys who refused to approve the sale to Nigeria of ex-israeli Cobra AH-1w helicopters.

Henry120:


Would respond in due course. However, good a thing you mentioned it's a "further development".

Let me take a guess, you're European.

My advice: MIG23 is probably a southafrican who just changed his nairaland name. Don't believe his claims.

patriot4:

My advice: MIG23 is probably a southafrican who just changed his nairaland name. Don't believe his claims.

Naah he's different. I'm positive he isn't.

Henry120:


Why don't we just round it up to 7th gen, or better still "Martian tech"

Gripen is a 4+/4.5 gen aircraft: www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-jas39-gripen-swedens-4th-generation-wild-card-02401/
www.asianmilitaryreview.com/4-5-generation-combat-aircraft/
www.brighthub.com/science/aviation/articles/92286.aspx

Please respond with a informative argument, not childish rants!

MiG23:

North American actually. I'm from the states.

Used to live in the states when i was still living with my folks, from 1998-2000. If my memory is correct we lived in kansas city missouri.

Yea, it is a radically modified MiG-21. The chinese have been known to modify MiG-21s/J-7/F-7s. Some of their experiments/variations


Chin intake J-7


Belly intake J-7 with Canards


Twin engine J-7, called the J-8.

[img]http://3.bp..com/-jOftZb3DAQA/TvbsI41UwlI/AAAAAAAAKIY/FOgs-ELiQ1A/s1600/reconnaissance+aircraft+China%252CHigh-speed+reconnaissance+aircraft%252C+F-8FR+high-speed+reconnaissance+aircraft.jpg[/img]
Twin engine J-7 with Lateral Intakes, called the J-8II


As you can see, Chinese know the MiG-21 inside out and some up with some very radical variations. But in the end, their primary fighter is the J-11 copy of the Su-27/30 family and the J-10 which is based on the Israeli lavi. JF-17 is a fighter which China(PLAAF) REJECTED in favor of J-10s and J-11s.




@Henry Did they now? Sorry to hear that. I'm sure the State Department had their reasons, or they don't and are just being assholes throwing their weight around.

@Jl115 Nice to know. ^_^ I'm from Pittsburg.


Regards,
-23

MiG23:


Hi all,

Just found this forum by chance and wanted to set some facts right. I'm not a Nigerian, or even an African. Never even been to Africa actually. Just an Aviation Enthusiast.

The above chart was compiled by Pakistani JF-17 Fans and they cherry pick specs when the jf-17 was still in development. The production variant specs can be found in Pakistan Aeronautical Complex's official website - http://www.pac.org.pk/jf-17

And also the latest IDEAS 2014 which was concluded just 3 days back - http://s3.postimg.org/qfq5j5d83/2014_IDEAS_JF_17_Specifications_Infoboard_Placar.jpg

Here is another link which consolidates all Official sources and lists out the specifications. It's very meticulous and technical, so might not appeal for casual Aviation fans. http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/fighterplanes/texts/articles/jf-17specifications.html
But in the end it rounds off with the Specifications, if you just want the final result.

Also, Block 3 is not even on the drawing board. And its unclear whether Nigeria will receive Block 1 or Block 2. Actually the deal hasn't even been signed yet. It's in final stages according to Pakistani officials. And the only changes to Block 2 from Block 1 are the mid-air refueling probe and some avionics improvement. JF-17, either block 1 or Block 2 has no AESA, no IRST, no HMS/HMDS,

The only fighters PAF gets these days are the cheap JF-17s(and free F-16s from U.S WoT payments and donations which stipulates Pakistani should only buy U.S hardware from the money they give) and there is a reason for that. We are basically talking about a fighter which even the main developer, China, has refused to induct in its own airforce. That doesn't inspire much confidence if you ask me. The only reason pakistan wants this fighter is because it cannot get anything else. It is basically broke. It cannot even get J-10 because the chinese demanded $45 million a pop for the fighter, and PAF cannot afford it.

Not to mention the fact that JF-17 is just a further development of the 1950's MiG-21 family. I dont know about you but I wouldn't want to go into battle in 2020 in a heavily modified 1950's MiG-21.
http://s13.postimg.org/l52243t13/grumman_super_7_sabre_II_1_big.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/3t1pinzjr/grumman_super_7_sabre_II_2_big.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/u2ms1glh3/grumman_super_7_sabre_II_3_big.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/6ux36d22f/jf_17_prototype_1.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/rivql3nav/super_7_jf_17_1.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/ha39f9z93/super_7_jf_17_2.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/miyad5ho7/mig_21_jf_17_family.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/aq0h8xl87/jf_17_mig_21.jpg


My personal opinion, Nigeria would be better off with J-10s or MiG-29Ms or even Su-30s. If they are selecting JF-17 against all these options, it means there is some other factors involved.. one factor Nigeria's Airforce doesn't have much money to spend or basically there is corruption involved in this deal.

Regards,
-23

The allegation that the creator of the chart, cherry picked specs, is simply baseless, and un-founded.

The compared specs of both Aircrafts using the same characteristics. The chart showed the JF-17 block 1 been similar to the Gripen C/D

On the block II.
"The Block-II JF-17 has improved avionic systems, air-to-air refuelling capability, additional weapons carriage capability and some extra operational capabilities, according to the air force.
It is designed as a lightweight multi-role aircraft, with a claimed top speed of Mach 2.0 and operational ceiling of 55,000 feet."

http://tribune.com.pk/story/803113/pakistan-looks-to-boost-military-export-with-revamped-jf-17/


The JF-17 operates an open architecture, what's to say customers can't instead chose to get improved avionics or AESA and IRST capabilities from a 3rd party?


Now this same argument pops up again, I see no reason why the chinese should leave out an independent chinese J-10 fighter development for a similar fighter with a partner. It is at the discretion of the chinese to chose what ever fighter they want.


Newer Fighters are generally based on older models, as you said, the JF-17 is a "further development", it isn't and would not be a MIG-21 family aircraft. It is the Sino-pak JF-17.


The JAS 39 Gripen is also based on an older SAAB model aircraft. I do not see what the fuss is.

Corruption, Corruption, isn't this our default tone?

Nigeria has to take into account it's threats, and make an informed decision on the best fighter for airforce. Taking into account availability of spares, political environment, military relationship, cost to threat level/ ratio.

All with nothing to do with corruption. The JF-17 is a fantastic aircraft which fully integrates D.S.I in it's design.

If Nigeria eventually pens down the deal, it would most likely go for the Block II, as the block 1 isn't a veritable option.

jl115:


Gripen is a 4+/4.5 gen aircraft: www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-jas39-gripen-swedens-4th-generation-wild-card-02401/
www.asianmilitaryreview.com/4-5-generation-combat-aircraft/
www.brighthub.com/science/aviation/articles/92286.aspx

Please respond with a informative argument, not childish rants!

It is the E/F, formerly N.G that is classified as 4.5 Gen, not the older C/D models.

Henry120:


The allegation that the creator of the chart, cherry picked specs, is simply baseless, and un-founded.

The compared specs of both Aircrafts using the same characteristics. The chart showed the JF-17 block 1 been similar to the Gripen C/D

On the block II.
"The Block-II JF-17 has improved avionic systems, air-to-air refuelling capability, additional weapons carriage capability and some extra operational capabilities, according to the air force.
It is designed as a lightweight multi-role aircraft, with a claimed top speed of Mach 2.0 and operational ceiling of 55,000 feet."

http://tribune.com.pk/story/803113/pakistan-looks-to-boost-military-export-with-revamped-jf-17/


The JF-17 operates an open architecture, what's to say customers can't instead chose to get improved avionics or AESA and IRST capabilities from a 3rd party?


Now this same argument pops up again, I see no reason why the chinese should leave out an independent chinese J-10 fighter development for a similar fighter with a partner. It is at the discretion of the chinese to chose what ever fighter they want.


Newer Fighters are generally based on older models, as you said, the JF-17 is a "further development", it isn't and would not be a MIG-21 family aircraft. It is the Sino-pak JF-17.


The JAS 39 Gripen is also based on an older SAAB model aircraft. I do not see what the fuss is.

Corruption, Corruption, isn't this our default tone?

Nigeria has to take into account it's threats, and make an informed decision on the best fighter for airforce. Taking into account availability of spares, political environment, military relationship, cost to threat level/ ratio.

All with nothing to do with corruption. The JF-17 is a fantastic aircraft which fully integrates D.S.I in it's design.

If Nigeria eventually pens down the deal, it would most likely go for the Block II, as the block 1 isn't a veritable option.

On a personal note i really hope Nigeria can acquire the JF-17 (although i think the super tucano can do similar job for alot less money) and bomb boko haram out of existence, as for the gripen being based on older models, this is not true n 1979, the Swedish government began development studies for an aircraft capable of fighter, attack and reconnaissance missions to replace the Saab 35 Draken and 37 Viggen. A new design from Saab was selected and developed as the JAS 39.

Does the JF-17 operate a HMD, i have been browsing the web and cant find anything except for the fact that it might operate a HMS(helmet mounted sight) witch is only good for targeting and thats about it? These days its software that counts, the aircraft that sees the enemy first is usually the one that wins.

jl115:


Wouldnt say its a copy of the italian gun but its definitely based on the the oto melara witch is a naval gun,dus more powerful than your average 76mm as for the rooikat in picture that is definitely not a 76mm much thicker and longer than the 76mm.

And as for it not shooting straight, any citation to back that up,because as far as i know the rooikat 76 was pretty accurate! and could penetrate t62 armour at 1km, although it was never intended to be a tank destroyer.

Dude, welcome as a newcomer to this forum Mr.South African.

Sorry I cannot repeat my past comments for every new South African that joins this thread, I have over 6,000 comments posted here in over 2 years, so I will not waste my time to please you. Consult the archives.

I posted proof that Rooikat 76mm gun is a COPY of Italian Oto Melara, South Africa copied it with Italian permission and changed the name as you always do to create false claims of 'MADE IS SOUTH AFRICA WEAPONS'

Then you guys turn around and call the Chinese copy cats, what about South African copies of Israeli and European weapons?

The Rooikat gun from the South African inside source I posted here many times, CANNOT shoot straight with accuracy because it is copied from a naval gun that is meant to shoot at big ships on open wide oceans and not small tanks in clutter filled lands and cities.

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jl115:

76mm rooikat, 105mm rooikat, 120mm rooikat?

The only Rooikat in SANDF sevice is 76mm gun. The other 105mm has one single unit produces and project rejected by SANDF.


Proved : only Rooikat in SANDF sevice is 76mm gun, go fool the kids in your village with your imaginary fairy tales by moonlight
.

Henry120:


It is the E/F, formerly N.G that is classified as 4.5 Gen, not the older C/D models.

Go read the sources again all 3 are based on the Gripen c/d. The e/f models will be classified as 6th gen or at the very least 5+ gen aircraft.

jl115:
Just getting back to th jf-17 vs gripen topic:

I really do think for the money the jf-17 is a pretty good fighter with good air-to-air capability, decent air-to-ground capability and excellent anti ship capability definitely making it a 4th gen aircraft , but it cant be compared to the gripen. what makes the gripen special is not because its the fastest(can reach mach 2.3 though),the most manoeuvrable,our carries the most payload, what makes its special is its ground braking software, making the gripen extremely easy to operate and enabling it to engage multiple targets at once including air and ground targets at the same time.

Too many errors in your above comment. Let me pick one, the Gripen maneuverability is very poor for a $50 million jet.

I have posted videos of it here and compared it with Algerian Su-30 Flanker, no South African dared to argue when both videos were posted here side by side in comparison. The greatest weaknesses of Gripen jet are the poor maneuverability for air to air dogfight and poor combat radius/range.

Sweden's just ripping people off with that price tag, same way their Volvo cars perform less than Toyota cars but the Swedish car cost much more than the Japanese....also add the bad fuel economy of Volvo cars and the Volvo engine inside the Gripen.

Sweden's SAAB manufacturer had to bribe South African politicians with millions of dollars to manipulate them to buy Gripen jets, a jet that buyers need to be bribed with money to purchase, must be a problem loaded jet and surely over-priced

For JF-17 Vs Gripen, @Henry posted a chart to prove JF-17 Block I is eqaul to Gripen, and @agaugust posted detailed descriptions to prove why the JF-17 Block 2 beats the Gripen, so if any South African wants to challenge Nigerians, post your own detailed sources and stop grumbling like a labouring worker not paid salary for the past 12 months
.

AugustineAgain:


The only Rooikat in SANDF sevice is 76mm gun. The other 105mm has one single unit produces and project rejected by SANDF.


Proved : only Rooikat in SANDF sevice is 76mm gun, go fool the kids in your village with your imaginary fairy tales by moonlight
.

Yes i agree with you only a handful of 105mm rooikat where ever produced and yes sandf did reject it (although the one or two that are build are still in the reserve unit) as the 105mm gun was to heavy and effected the mobility of the rooikat witch is its strong suit, as i said before the rooikat was never ment to be a tank destroyer but rather a very well armed recce vehicle. as for the 76mm gun it obviously had to be extensively modified to fit on the rooikat and be stable enough to be fired on the go, dus as i said its based on the italian gun but not a exact copy, as for it not being accurate...citation needed.

All i did was point out the new turret that is fitted to the rooikat in the picture of my first post witch is definitely with the sandf either in service or in reserve, most probabily the later as its most likely still in its testing fase.As for the numbers build... i have no idea.

MiG23:


Hi all,

Just found this forum by chance and wanted to set some facts right. I'm not a Nigerian, or even an African. Never even been to Africa actually. Just an Aviation Enthusiast.

The above chart was compiled by Pakistani JF-17 Fans and they cherry pick specs when the jf-17 was still in development. The production variant specs can be found in Pakistan Aeronautical Complex's official website - http://www.pac.org.pk/jf-17

And also the latest IDEAS 2014 which was concluded just 3 days back - http://s3.postimg.org/qfq5j5d83/2014_IDEAS_JF_17_Specifications_Infoboard_Placar.jpg

Here is another link which consolidates all Official sources and lists out the specifications. It's very meticulous and technical, so might not appeal for casual Aviation fans. http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/fighterplanes/texts/articles/jf-17specifications.html
But in the end it rounds off with the Specifications, if you just want the final result.

Also, Block 3 is not even on the drawing board. And its unclear whether Nigeria will receive Block 1 or Block 2. Actually the deal hasn't even been signed yet. It's in final stages according to Pakistani officials. And the only changes to Block 2 from Block 1 are the mid-air refueling probe and some avionics improvement. JF-17, either block 1 or Block 2 has no AESA, no IRST, no HMS/HMDS,

The only fighters PAF gets these days are the cheap JF-17s(and free F-16s from U.S WoT payments and donations which stipulates Pakistani should only buy U.S hardware from the money they give) and there is a reason for that. We are basically talking about a fighter which even the main developer, China, has refused to induct in its own airforce. That doesn't inspire much confidence if you ask me. The only reason pakistan wants this fighter is because it cannot get anything else. It is basically broke. It cannot even get J-10 because the chinese demanded $45 million a pop for the fighter, and PAF cannot afford it.

Not to mention the fact that JF-17 is just a further development of the 1950's MiG-21 family. I dont know about you but I wouldn't want to go into battle in 2020 in a heavily modified 1950's MiG-21.
http://s13.postimg.org/l52243t13/grumman_super_7_sabre_II_1_big.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/3t1pinzjr/grumman_super_7_sabre_II_2_big.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/u2ms1glh3/grumman_super_7_sabre_II_3_big.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/6ux36d22f/jf_17_prototype_1.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/rivql3nav/super_7_jf_17_1.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/ha39f9z93/super_7_jf_17_2.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/miyad5ho7/mig_21_jf_17_family.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/aq0h8xl87/jf_17_mig_21.jpg


My personal opinion, Nigeria would be better off with J-10s or MiG-29Ms or even Su-30s. If they are selecting JF-17 against all these options, it means there is some other factors involved.. one factor Nigeria's Airforce doesn't have much money to spend or basically there is corruption involved in this deal.

Regards,

-23

You are more likely a South African.

Your written English and composition of language is very similar to the pattern of we Africans, when a non-African writes so long an English passage, I will tell the difference because I live in an English speaking country where all nationalities/tribes/tongues/races from across the world live and we can tell the difference from how they write and speak English language.

I suspect you are a fake, you are very very likely a South African making false claims of Nationality here.

Now a few answers for you as reply to all the errors and ignorance you displayed in your aircraft analysis.

You call your self an aviation enthusiast and you don't know that most jet fighters of today evolved from older models

MiG-21 evolved to MiG-23, MiG-23 evolved to MiG 25 with extra one tail added, MiG-25 evolved into MiG-29.

Draken evolved into Viggen, Viggen evolved into Gripen.

Only a fool of a pilot will assume that since MiG-21 evolved into MiG-29, when he fights MiG-29 in air combat, it is same as fighting a MiG-21, that pilot will just make his wife a widow and his children fatherless like a fool

JF-17 Thunder is NOT a simple jet and NOT close to F-7 Airguard.

JF-17 engine is Russian, it's avionics are a mix of West European and Chinese, it's weapons are a mix of West European and Chinese.

Italian, French, Russian, American, Chinese, British avionics-weapons-technology are mixed into JF-17 Thunder.

If anyone says JF-17 is junk, then the Europeans are junk manufacturers and the Gripen too is Junk

J-10 Dragon is almost same as JF-17 in capability, the JF-17 was built from the ready made J-10 engineering works, thus the Pakistanis got many things free or cheap from Chinese technology transfer, that is the secret of the cheap price of JF-17 Thunder.

Next, the Chinese will not buy JF-17 because it is same basic engineering works as the J-10, simple common sense.

Why does South Africa not import Israeli MRAPs? You produce yours with about equal capabilities, simple common sense.

I think common sense is one thing you seem to lack, mister MiG-23....your name is an obsolete jet fighter and so is your brain

Thank you sir.

What amuses me is that we are comparing a war-time country(Nigeria), which is most likely to acquire more military assets and strengthen security, with a peace-time country(South Africa). From what has been debated, I can conclude that war-time South Africa will/would be superior to war-time Nigeria and the whole of Africa at large. Currently, South Africa does not see the need to go all out like the Nigerian government. The issue about the JF-17 is vague, there can only be solid arguments once it is operational in the Nigerian Air Force. What surprises me is that, when @MikeCZA, @patches..... bring up the Mokopa missile, A-darta, Ground Based Umkhonto missile, Badger, Mangoose etc People jump to say "It is not in service yet", but now they are talking as if the JF-17 is in service. So, till the JF-17 is in service, then the matter of who has the strongest air force in terms of fighter capability may resume, till then this argument is baseless.

AugustineAgain:


Too many errors in your above comment. Let me pick one, the Gripen maneuverability is very poor for a $50 million jet.

I have posted videos of it here and compared it with Algerian Su-30 Flanker, no South African dared to argue when both videos were posted here side by side in comparison. The greatest weaknesses of Gripen jet are the poor maneuverability for air to air dogfight and poor combat radius/range.

Sweden's just ripping people off with that price tag, same way their Volvo cars perform less than Toyota cars but the Swedish car cost much more than the Japanese....also add the bad fuel economy of Volvo cars and the Volvo engine inside the Gripen.

Sweden's SAAB manufacturer had to bribe South African politicians with millions of dollars to manipulate them to buy Gripen jets, a jet that buyers need to be bribed with money to purchase, must be a problem loaded jet and surely over-priced

For JF-17 Vs Gripen, @Henry posted a chart to prove JF-17 Block I is eqaul to Gripen, and @agaugust posted detailed descriptions to prove why the JF-17 Block 2 beats the Gripen, so if any South African wants to challenge Nigerians, post your own detailed sources and stop grumbling like a labouring worker not paid salary for the past 12 months
.

Go read my post carefully again , what i was trying to get at is that the gripen isnt the fastest or carries the most payload but its the gripens software that make it such a good fighter.And the gripen makes up for its price tag by being the least expensive fighter to maintain in the world.

AugustineAgain:


Dude, welcome as a newcomer to this forum Mr.South African.

Sorry I cannot repeat my past comments for every new South African that joins this thread, I have over 6,000 comments posted here in over 2 years, so I will not waste my time to please you. Consult the archives.

I posted proof that Rooikat 76mm gun is a COPY of Italian Oto Melara, South Africa copied it with Italian permission and changed the name as you always do to create false claims of 'MADE IS SOUTH AFRICA WEAPONS'

Then you guys turn around and call the Chinese copy cats, what about South African copies of Israeli and European weapons?

The Rooikat gun from the South African inside source I posted here many times, CANNOT shoot straight with accuracy because it is copied from a naval gun that is meant to shoot at big ships on open wide oceans and not small tanks in clutter filled lands and cities.

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Thankx for the welcome though!