agaugust:


Algeria has the most modern defence force in Africa, undisputed champions.

3,000 force from South Africa cannot survive one day against Nigerian army. You will be surrounded, captured and used for idol shrine sacrifice.

Yeah sure

3000 South African soldiers wont last a day

But about the same number of BH fighters held an area the size of Denmark (Belgium?) for allmost a year

You cant fight rag-tag militia... and you think you can handle the SANDF?

Hahahahahahaha

agaugust:


....but your Gripen jet itself is a foreign imported product.....or you built the jet fighter ?

Marlin missile is still in dream stage until it enters service in 2020.

If you did not buy Gripen jet from Europe, how will you launch your missile?
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You can do yourself a favour and not waste your time on me. There are plenty other people for you to quote if you want. It simply does not make sense to design and build your own jet during peace time. It would cost an extreme amount of money, tens of billions. Missiles and sub systems are strategic, and its best that they are developed in house.

Very simple example. If South Africa was to go to war with Sweden...will they come with a cargo ship and demand we give them back the Gripens they sold us? No. They will simply go to Germany and tell/ask them not to supply any Iris-T missiles. Leaving our Gripens naked. Hence the need for an in-house strategic asset such as A-Darter. Again, this is an example. Dont get a headache thinking about if war between SA/Sweden is even possible.

patches689:


Not knowing South Africans are the master's of COIN warfare

That is why you hired us to train your men

Eben Barlow is NOT in your army anymore, he is a private man.....and also your enemy we can use against your ANC government that hates him

South Africa is unable to use COIN 'mastery' to save it's self from local Rhino poachers at home

SA is a Doctor that cannot cure himself with his own medicine

iblawi:
atr 42 for your subs.

ATR-42 has no anti-submarine equipment

mzilakazi:


Hope you will only be watching our frigates above from the sky with little or nothing to do when they came blazing down to your shores to come and destroy everything Nigerian Navy.
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Any country that attempts to land troops on Nigerian shores will be buried at sea, Nigeria has the largest artillery force in Africa after Egypt
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agaugust:


Eben Barlow is NOT in your army anymore, he is a private man.....and also your enemy we can use against your ANC government that hates him

South Africa is unable to use COIN 'mastery' to save it's self from local Rhino poachers at home

SA is a Doctor that cannot cure himself with his own medicine

1. There are still thousands of men like Eben Barlow in the SANDF

2. We have, our borders are now secure and cross border poaching is dropped to an all time low. Internal poaching is the responsibility of SAPS and not the SANDF

Face it, you hired us to come and teach you how to do it.

agaugust:


Any country that attempts to land troops on Nigerian shores will be buried at sea, Nigeria has the largest artillery force in Africa after Egypt
.

Hahahahahaha

What is this? WW2?

patches689:


Because that is what navies operate. That is what defines a navy -ready for maritime war.

What will you do if a submarine threat arrives tomorrow?

Withdraw ships to sea port and install anti-submarine nets. Reactivate ASW helicopters or simply wait for the enemy submarine to run out of fuel and return home empty handed, or submarine will drive on our land? We can allow the submarine to run low on electric power and snorkel, ATR-42 or drones will detect it and Alpha jets will rocket it into pieces.

What will you do if a piracy threat arrives South Africa tomorrow? You have a 3,200 km long u-shaped coast and no stealth IPV, MPV, OPV
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mzilakazi:


So, why would we need ATR maritime patrol aircraft urgently when our threat is not piracy?

So, why would we need ASW helicopters and submarines urgently when our threat is not conventional sea warfare?

agaugust:


Eben Barlow is NOT in your army anymore, he is a private man.....and also your enemy we can use against your ANC government that hates him

South Africa is unable to use COIN 'mastery' to save it's self from local Rhino poachers at home

SA is a Doctor that cannot cure himself with his own medicine

We trained Eeben Barlow and his mates are still advisors of SANDF to this day.

patches689:


SAAF lynx operate with the navy constantly. If a lynx is required they are deployed. Valour Class have hangars, that is where the Lynx lives - dumbass

Stop lying, the SAAF Lynx helicopters are NOT based inside hanger on any Valour ship, they are based on land at 22 squadron air base you fool !
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agaugust:


Withdraw ships to sea port and install anti-submarine nets. Reactivate ASW helicopters or simply wait for the enemy submarine to run out of fuel and return home empty handed, or submarine will drive on our land? We can allow the submarine to run low on electric power and snorkel, ATR-42 or drones will detect it and Alpha jets will rocket it into pieces.

What will you do if a piracy threat arrives South Africa tomorrow? You have a 3,200 km long u-shaped coast and no stealth IPV, MPV, OPV
.

Sub can happily snorkel... it will detect the aircraft and dive again.

What will it do? Attack maritime shipping and sink your economy (dat awesome pun)

How will we react to piracy? Are you serious? What a frigate cannot patrol for pirates? Submarines cannot clandestinly gather intelligence?

Simple Q&A:

1. Can the navy in question fight a conventional war?
RSA: Yes
NIG: No

2. Can the navy in question perform anti-piracy duties?
RSA: Yes
NIG: Yes

tell me, who has the better navy?

mzilakazi:


SA has three operational satellites.

Citation needed

agaugust:


Stop lying, the SAAF Lynx helicopters are NOT based inside hanger on any Valour ship, they are based on land at 22 squadron air base you fool !
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Are you re.tarded?

When deployed to the valour class the Lynx lives inside of the hanger. Unless it is about to take-off or has just landed, it sits inside the hanger.

Good lord, what a fvcking slowpoke.

agaugust:


Any country that attempts to land troops on Nigerian shores will be buried at sea, Nigeria has the largest artillery force in Africa after Egypt
.

That largest artillery force is yet to defeat BH at own country. You think a fully fledged military is the equal of BH which lacks firepower. They will bring the most potent weapons you have never seen before even during your outing with Boko haram.

agaugust:


Citation needed

Consult the archives

agaugust:


Algeria has the most modern defence force in Africa, undisputed champions.

3,000 force from South Africa cannot survive one day against Nigerian army. You will be surrounded, captured and used for idol shrine sacrifice.

lezz:

laughingBokoHaram.jpg

mzilakazi:


Nope is 50 000 land troops who are highly equipped with technologically advanced weaponry. Have own modest defence industry and entirely not dependent on foreign weapons.

Nigeria has almost 80 000 troops in total.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Armed_Forces

Zulu Dat is ur source.

mzilakazi:


Sipri listed SA satellite as surveillance (spy) satellite. If you do not have info just keep your cassava stinking mouth shut.

SIPRI says SA got surveillance satellite NOT spy.

SIPRI lists only Morocco as having spy satellites in Africa, they are listed as Recce satellite, military



R: Morocco 2 Helios-2 Recce satellite 2013 EUR500-585m deal; designation uncertain (reported as 'observation satellites'); delivery 2017-2018

Peru 1 Astrosat-300 Surveillance satellite 2014 PEN597 m ($203 m) deal (offsets incl technology transfers); delivery 2016

Taiwan (ROC) 1 ROCSAT-2 Recce satellite 1999 2005 1 $70 m deal; after Chinese pressure fitted with limitations to surveillance of Chinese territory

UAE 2 Helios-2 Recce satellite (2013) EUR700 m deal; Pleiades version

R: South Africa 1 Kondor-E Surveillance satellite 2006 ZAR1.2 b 'Project Consolidated Flute' deal; delivery 2015

South Africa got a fvcking monkey model civilian grade satellite
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mzilakazi:


That largest artillery force is yet to defeat BH at own country. You think a fully fledged military is the equal of BH which lacks firepower. They will bring the most potent weapons you have never seen before even during your outing with Boko haram.

BH is are terrorist insurgents who don't employ conventional warfare.

Your HIV sandf with little experience and inadequate manpower will be captured alive without much fire exchange.

patches689:


Ok, cool - your ATR-42 can see the Valour Class... what is it going to do about it?

Ok, cool - your Valour frigate can see ATR-42....what is it going to do about it 50 km away?

agaugust:


SIPRI says SA got surveillance satellite NOT spy.

SIPRI lists only Morocco as having spy satellites in Africa, they are listed as Recce satellite, military



R: Morocco 2 Helios-2 Recce satellite 2013 EUR500-585m deal; designation uncertain (reported as 'observation satellites'); delivery 2017-2018
Peru 1 Astrosat-300 Surveillance satellite 2014 PEN597 m ($203 m) deal (offsets incl technology transfers); delivery 2016
Taiwan (ROC) 1 ROCSAT-2 Recce satellite 1999 2005 1 $70 m deal; after Chinese pressure fitted with limitations to surveillance of Chinese territory
UAE 2 Helios-2 Recce satellite (2013) EUR700 m deal; Pleiades version

R: South Africa 1 Kondor-E Surveillance satellite 2006 ZAR1.2 b 'Project Consolidated Flute' deal; delivery 2015

South Africa got a fvcking monkey model civilian grade satellite
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Here we go again. Augubug and his semantic arguments

Surveillance and Spy are synonyms you fvckwit

agaugust:


Ok, cool - your Valour frigate can see ATR-42....what is it going to do about it 50 km away?

Nothing. Because it is not a threat.

patches689:


laughingBokoHaram.jpg

patches689, my favourite southie rockhead. After your defence review CONFESSED the sandf lack the manpower and personnel to deploy in a large scale war, I was expecting this thread to dead.

After all the number of medically fit soldiers in the sandf are so minute in comparison to your rivals.

Concentrate on the SADC, that's your true calling. Africa is bigger than your destiny.

lezz:
[s]patches689, my favourite southie rockhead. After your defence review CONFESSED the sandf lack the manpower and personnel to deploy in a large scale war, I was expecting this thread to dead.

After all the number of medically fit soldiers in the sandf are so minute in comparison to your rivals.

Concentrate on the SADC, that's your true calling. Africa is bigger than your destiny. [/s]

I am not wasting my time with you.

patches689:


Army cheif who received conventional warfare training in Russia

And was again re-trained by the SANDF

And has risen to the rank he holds through completion of rank associated courses.

Jackass

SANDF cheif of staff has ZERO experience of real modern warfare involving tanks, artillery, and surveillance systems.

Nigerian army chief of staff has used guided missile drones in war.

SANDF leadership is one of the least experienced in Africa.

agaugust:


SANDF cheif of staff has ZERO experience of real modern warfare involving tanks, artillery, and surveillance systems.

Nigerian army chief of staff has used guided missile drones in war.

SANDF leadership is one of the least experienced in Africa.

1. Nigerian Army cheif has never fought conventional war
1a. Nigeria has never fought a conventional war

2. SANDF trains leaders based on lessons learnt in conventional war. Knowledge is passed on from officer to officer through training.

We are conducting conventional warfare exercises right now... when is the last time your men conducted such exercises?

And again, i remind you: Training > Experience

patches689:


Yeah sure

3000 South African soldiers wont last a day

But about the same number of BH fighters held an area the size of Denmark (Belgium?) for allmost a year

You cant fight rag-tag militia... and you think you can handle the SANDF?

Hahahahahahaha

Bokos live with and mix with civilians inside Nigerian cities, they are mostly Nigerians. They don't need to invade, they are already inside Nigeria. We cannot level them with artillery and rockets, else innocent civilians will die.

Does your South African army live among us in our towns? You need to invade from outside, by open sea, and Naija artillery will bury you at sea before you even reach our land.

patches689:


I am not wasting my time with you.

You're crazy! Is that how you welcome your chief e-slayer after a long hiatus?

agaugust:


[s]Bokos live with and mix with civilians inside Nigerian cities, they are mostly Nigerians. They don't need to invade, they are already inside Nigeria. We cannot level them with artillery and rockets, else innocent civilians will die.

Does your South African army live among us in our towns? You need to invade from outside, by open sea, and Naija artillery will bury you at sea before you even reach our land.[/s]

O really? So Boko Haram tanks and artillery blended in with all the civilian tanks and artillery?

Jackass

ssaengine:


You can do yourself a favour and not waste your time on me. There are plenty other people for you to quote if you want. It simply does not make sense to design and build your own jet during peace time. It would cost an extreme amount of money, tens of billions. Missiles and sub systems are strategic, and its best that they are developed in house.

Simple fact is that South Africa imports European made tanks, jets, warships, submarines. You are import dependent except for MRAP and a few other low powered stuff.