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Re: Who Are The Edo People? by Nobody: 1:57am On Oct 16, 2015 |
bokohalal: It's ludicrous.. They are basically saying that they were the ones behind the glory of the Benin Kingdom. |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by Ubenedictus(m): 11:19am On Oct 16, 2015 |
macof:in otherword the matriach of the current dynasty is from the bini line? As a testament to the might of the old bini empire |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by Ubenedictus(m): 12:13pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
macof:the names have been yorubanised. |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by Ubenedictus(m): 12:13pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
macof:tell him |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by macof(m): 12:56pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Ubenedictus: Since when did we start taking mother's lineage over the father's in africa? Yes yes all empires have a testament long after their collapse, nothing special with Bini particularly not in lagos. Look to Aniocha people for that |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by macof(m): 1:01pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Ubenedictus: ok what are the original names |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by Ubenedictus(m): 1:32pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
macof:ur friends just claimed the bini neva expanded |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by Ubenedictus(m): 1:34pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
macof:u nid physicsqed for dat |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by Ubenedictus(m): 1:35pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
macof:u nid physicsqed for dat |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by macof(m): 2:05pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
wytecat: So igbos are that powerful? To drive yoruba people away from their own land? Do you really believe that could organize a such an efficient force One would expect the itsekiri and Olukumi to tell about how the igbos drove them away from Bini. But how come there's no record of such from the people you mentioned? Itsekiri were from Ijebu, it's only the royal class that is Bini. And we know very well that Ginuwa wasn't chased out of Bini by Igbos Even Ewe in Ghana have some of our orisa, and they aren't yoruba. Many Venezuelans worship the Yoruba way yet they aren't yoruba or even descended from yorubas. Btw if the Binis today are igbos why don't they have anything about Igbo Deities or any common practice that can be traced to igboland? . So I don't think having yoruba orisa is anything to buttress your claim |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by macof(m): 2:08pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Ubenedictus: Well people can claim whatever they like but without any proof it's just nothing But you Bini folk like claiming what doesn't concern you. .it has become a habit |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by OfoIgbo: 2:25pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Ubenedictus: Nri was not a village. Agukwu adopted the name Nri just a few decades ago. True Nri comprises of Enugwu-Ukwu, Nawfia, Enugwu-Agidi, Agukwu by order of birth The ancestor of these four towns was Eze Nri Menri. The first ever eze Nri and the first son of Eri. Agukwu adopting the name Nri has drastically reduced the length and breadth of the size of the kingdom. The original Nri kingdom invented most of the deep cultural practices of the Igbos and some traditional beliefs in Benin and Igala kingdom 1 Like |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by OfoIgbo: 2:42pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
macof: The four market days that Bini people use are traceable to Nri, which is an Igbo clan. In fact those market days are deities owned and controlled by the Nris. That is why IGU ARO in Igboland is only performed in core Nri towns like Nawfia, Agukwu-Nri, Nawfia and I believe Enugwu-Agidi will be getting into the act soon 1 Like |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by macof(m): 2:52pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
OfoIgbo: Ok. I think I've come across this before btw do you buy that Bini are from igboland? |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by wytecat: 2:57pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
This is the last time I'm talking about this very topic with you. Ibos are NOT powerful, but Bini were a small population and couldn't have been up to half the size of the Ibos. They were not necessarily driven out, but technically done just like many are leaving from let's say Gwoza for other far areas for safety, and ofcourse not all Bini left, reasons people still name and observe some Yoruba traditions. Strange looking clowns come to town to scare people away was a story you have probably heard before, and other Yoruba at war with each other could have cause a people to be vulnerable to even the weakest link. You don't know all your history, and just because the Itsekiri and Olukunmi are not saying or you don't know doesn't mean that it couldn't have happened. People are rediscovering themselves as time goes on and new info are revealed everyday. And unless you have explanation for the holes in all the history about how some people came to be, you just can't wave mine. You are NOT Yoruba, so stop saying "our orisa". Yoruba descendants introduced the Orisa to Venezuela, what would it have cost some Brazilians and Cubans Yoruba descendants to cross into Venezuela back in the day to establish . I've read and heard somewhere about Ewes of Ghana with historical link with Yoruba, all plausible. The culture and tradition the latest inhabitants brought to Bini land had to die, same way the only religion that survived during the slavery is Yoruba's. We have a culture that's like none other. The Bini land had a Yoruba heritage that thousands of years can't remove. macof: |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by Ubenedictus(m): 3:19pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
macof:what did edos claim? |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by macof(m): 3:25pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
OfoIgbo: To be honest Nri developed a great culture that spread well. how was this able to happen? |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by Ubenedictus(m): 3:27pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
OfoIgbo:have u ever seen binis refer to eke, afor, orie as their market days? Stop carrying rumours. |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by macof(m): 3:28pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Ubenedictus: Idah, Ondo, Onitcha, even Ife etc Somehow you want people to believe your people founded every city |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by mandarin: 3:28pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Interesting thread. But I don't like the way intellectual issues as this is being treated like joke. Few years ago when the Benin monarch wrote his book on Elkaderhan and it baceme a thorough argument, channels tv in its one sunrise Saturday morning program hosted the second in command to the king, one chief named Akpata(remember?) One salient point made by him on the program was that although he may not be able to talk on the ogiso era, but the last 920 years record in Benin palace showed that the Oba ruling houses have always been Yoruba or Ife. He said Yoruba has been the palace language and some prominent Bini families, think he mentioned Bello Osagie family too.please check channels tv archive if you are interested. I strongly believe the relationship between Yoruba(ife) and Benin is of blood relation. What I seek to know is the extent of the old Ife kingdom, until proven otherwise I believe it covers from Ife through Ekiti to fringes of Delta. Using the term Yoruba itself limits our knowledge of a people who were ancient and had links with Egyptian empire. |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by bokohalal(m): 3:39pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Wytecat should note that in her empire days, Benin warriors would have sought him out and gagged and tied him face up and left in the open till he died. Or , after the Europeans introduced Christianity, he could have been crucified so that his death will save the Empire as Christians say Jesus died to save the world. |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by wytecat: 3:52pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Exactly, your empire was about kidnapping unarmed innocent people. You are still doing that today via the militants anyway. So much for a poultry empire. This is how powerful y'all were lied to that you were. Lies! You were scammed. Those who had an empire no matter how small have some to show for it today.You were never anything and still ain't anybody! bokohalal: |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by Ubenedictus(m): 3:57pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
mandarin:go back and check d ife map. the ruling houses that speak yoruba and still bear yoruba name are d edo n'akure, the chiefs sent as ambasadors to yoruba land, one of such is on nl. Even families with direct connection to d royal house speak edo even their oriki is in d edo lang. Mayb areafada can help u. |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by Ubenedictus(m): 4:01pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
wytecat:hehehehehe. Really that is the best u can do? |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by tpiander: 4:12pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Edos do not like claiming relationship with Yorubas (with the exception of nollywood), so the arguments here are understandable imo. |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by macof(m): 4:34pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
wytecat:Its your choice Well, Igbos were never one people working together So first of all you'll need to tell us what group of igbos were involved in the act. Was it Nri, Agbor, Aboh, Aro?? and then we can talk about their population against that of Bini Yes I've heard, but not from Bini, itsekiri or Olukumi Ok, I don't know but you know that's why I'm asking questions It would be wrong for you to just force that story on itsekiri and Olukumi when the people don't claim it for themselves. . Maybe you have a strong relationship with the itsekiri and Olukumi that they have told you that part of their history that nobody else seems to know. . We can't be playing guessing game like this. I can easily say the itsekiri and Olukumi are from the massai of Kenya and tell you because they don't say it doesn't mean it never happened that is why I have not written off your claims. But you don't expect anyone to take you seriously without any proof What Itsekiri say about themselves and what their neighbors know is that they were sea rovers, there's no hint on igbos driving them to Iwere. Their Bini connection is purely palace politics So you'll need a lot of work to get people to take you seriously. And I doubt the people of Benin( some on this thread) would even agree that they are Igbo invaders Well you can't know me better than myself. Or now you wanna tell me my own origins? We haven't finished on the Bini being igbo invaders you know of course just as Yoruba descendants introduced Orisa Veneration to many other south Americans so did yorubas introduce orisa to other west africans.. in fact we introduced different orisa among ourselves Why would the invaders adopt the culture of the people they were driving away? Well Asides the Monarchy and Orisa cults I can't think of any other Yoruba heritage that Igbo invaders had to contend with And if you are correct, wouldn't the differences between Yoruba and Edo today be identified as Igbo elements? But they are not, why is that? If Bini only became different from Other yoruba subgroups at the invasion of igbos those little differences should be traced back to igboland [/quote] |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by macof(m): 5:21pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Ubenedictus: There's still much that is not known about Ife. . A map will not tell us that Isn't oriki a yoruba thing? |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by OfoIgbo: 5:27pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Ubenedictus: Most people refer to it as ORIE, but in Nri, we refer to it as OYE. Most people refer to it as AFOR, but in Nri, we refer to it as AVWOR or AVFOR The reason I brought out the above points is so that you will know that there are even variations in the market day pronunciations even in Igboland, so you will even notice wider variations in non-Igbolands like Bini or Igalaland. Portuguese explorers confirmed seeing REVERRED MEN FROM THE EAST, when they visited the Benin oba's palace more than half a millennium ago. These reverred men taught the Benin palace about the movement of the heavenly bodies and seasons e.g year counting. Well, Nri are the only people that do this, east of Benin. Please give us the four market days used by Binis. I'm sure some of the names will ring familiar to any Igbo. Have you asked yourself, how come Bini people also use the refrain ISEEE or ISEN, when a traditional prayer is made or an Oba is hailed? |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by wytecat: 5:41pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
You have this big problem of identity crisis, and trying to make up for it by fitting in any ethnic topic. You are not Yoruba, be proud of your confused tribe! macof: |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by wytecat: 5:46pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Those are words not some empty rhetoric y'all are known for. I haven't seen anything near that from you. Ubenedictus: |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by OfoIgbo: 6:07pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
macof: It is a pity that records were not kept. But I won't be surprised if it turns out that the Eweka royal family are of Nri ancestry. I know you must have come across ILE-IBINU, but do you know that 1) We believe Bini was derived from ILO-OBINU, which is an Igbo phrase that means A ROAD TO BITTER HEARTS 2) EWEKA is IWEKA which is an Igbo phrase that means that ANGER IS GREAT, supposedly describing the inhabitants. 3) OBA is a title born by highly respected individuals in Umu-Nri towns, and the word does not mean KING in Igbo. A few weeks ago, someone wrote in nl that OBA does not also mean KING in Edo. 4) Obas in Benin were crowned by Nri priests, up till the crowning of Ewuare 5) Anthropologists recorded that Eze Nri Obalike mentioned IDU as one of the territories under the Nri cultural influence when he was interviewed by early Anthropologists. 6) Most Igbo villages and town were "governed" by councils of elders and nze and ozo titled men before the coming of the white man, but according to Umu-Nri records, about sixty something towns had Igwes most of whom trace their ancestry to Nri. Places like OraEri and Ogwashi-Uku included. Back in those days, thdse communities preferred Nri royal houses because of their culture and traditions and civilisation. I won't be surprised if this was also the case in Benin, thus leading to the installation of the IWEKA dynasty, which led to the Nri cultural influence that can still be observed in Benin culture |
Re: Who Are The Edo People? by tpiander: 6:14pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Afi a road to bitter hearts na. |
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