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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ibebe: 2:45am On Nov 15, 2015 |
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ibebe: 2:47am On Nov 15, 2015 |
Katsumoto: Ahhh where should I start? I know you on FB. But bros, come back on. This is a sensitive time for us, we need you, Gbawe, shymmex, dayokanu etc. You all know the complexity of Yorubaland, more than JJCs like me. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 2:52am On Nov 15, 2015 |
Ibebe: Hahahahaha I have been very busy in the last couple of years but I do drop by from time to time. Only that the quality in this section has gone down considerably. But this topic caught my eye even though I have only read the last 2 pages. Hope you are keeping well. 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ibebe: 2:53am On Nov 15, 2015 |
Katsumoto: I will keep weller if I see more of your presence here. You can keep your interaction within this thread if need be. Egbon wa atata 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ibebe: 3:09am On Nov 15, 2015 |
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ibebe: 3:36am On Nov 15, 2015 |
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by ChimaAdeoye: 3:56am On Nov 15, 2015 |
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ibebe: 3:58am On Nov 15, 2015 |
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ibebe: 4:23am On Nov 15, 2015 |
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 4:25am On Nov 15, 2015 |
Ibebe: Thanks my sister.... didn't want to say nothing about this cos it's being looked at from a political leaning perspective, God knows i have never been to a political rally since after the Bola Ige Owa's Palace AD rally in 1999, that was more of waka pass... I will say what it is without having to kowtow to anyone's opinion about how it should be said.. I don't get how we think we can get the Economics on point if the political is off key.. We talk of regional cohesion but of 6 states 2 are mortal enemies of the remaining 4 ... How then do they co operate on issues of regional development... politics of EXCLUSION is what is being played in Nigeria When we talk of Nigeria's peculiarity, do people take into cognizance that our laws & policies are crazy to start with, How many elections end up in Tribunals in the west?? Are guns & machetes tools for elections..... We have a systemic problem!!!!!! |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ibebe: 4:35am On Nov 15, 2015 |
modath: Beautifully written I do understand superstar1's (or was it shymmex) reluctant to discuss politics because it muddles everything. However, we can't develop our economically if we discuss the political stance of the leaders we chose. What are they for and what they're against determines what they're going to spend money on. Yep, the problem is systematic......There are hidden complexities we, the people, aren't meant to know [understand]. Nigeria has a do or die political system [thanks to OBJ]. We can end it by cutting down salaries/bonuses drastically. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ibebe: 4:40am On Nov 15, 2015 |
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 4:42am On Nov 15, 2015 |
Osomalo: Osomalo, na wah for you oooo, but 1st & foremost i will state that Aregbese is a major tw@t who should have never sought a position of authority since he cannot pick his priorities & set them right.... You support Omisore & Jonathan (who are no saints as it is the NORM in our political landscape) which isn't a problem, It is your fundamental human right but you can't let firefire join you as a passenger on his Anti SW politics rhetorics.... He is quick to list out all the bad coming from APC SW states but you won't hear from him the brewing drama in EKITI state. 2 months now salaries haven't been paid but he has an effective PR system in place to stem any negative public opinion.. http://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/182543-nigerian-govt-borrowing-billions-to-pay-salaries-okonjo-iweala.html It is a NATIONAL problem... October salary was paid first week in November, never used to happen... 3 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 5:03am On Nov 15, 2015 |
Ibebe: I get Shymm3x & 9jacrip wella, i too don't discuss politics, End Time Pastors & other people's lifestyles cos of the highly contentious & polarizing topics that they are but i believe if we are open & free with our opinions, we will all learn & be able to build the kind of yorubaland of our dreams... Babe, you are posting very beautiful & attractive pictures of what we should have but how do we get from the pits to the mountain top without sweating? & be honest, do you think a westerner will fly to Ikogosi, Yankari Game reserve or Obudu cattle ranch if the risk of being caught in a BH attack is still a possibility ? *sidebar* .....Most people on here don't even understand the kind of deep poo this country is in... A friend who works in one of the revenue earners for the country told me ydy that the the president & their head honcho cancelled some fraudulent contracts but have no choice but to re instate them cos the penalty clauses are grave indeed... How will any forward thinking leader agree to insert in a contract termination clause of 1.5 billion USD in a 500m contract cos the beneficiary is a political affiliate!!! Maybe i will just take a chill pill jare & go play on the mummy & baby threads for some days, here is getting a bit contentious my sis... Why can't we be like the Romanis & all face one way? aareonakakanfo. .... howdy? Hope all is well... 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 8:15am On Nov 15, 2015 |
Osomalo:It is the responsibility of government to provide learning tools and facilities, government has no business paying exam fees. Soon we will start complaining about debts 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 10:14am On Nov 15, 2015 |
9jacrip:When Aregbe became governor in 2010, the state was already 9 billion in debts, why then heap the blame on him? I have my issues with aregbe maintaining the biggest civil service in the country but should be factual with our criticism
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Belmot(m): 10:36am On Nov 15, 2015 |
Gbawe:I'm still looking forward to the day you will critisize our mostly good for nothing governors in the SW. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by yomexp(m): 10:47am On Nov 15, 2015 |
please permit me to drop this here; A yoruba son doing us proud-Nigerian Scholar Solves 156-year- Old Problem In Maths, Gets $1M www.nairaland.com/2738010/nigerian-scholar-solves-156-year-old#40039101 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Gbawe: 10:56am On Nov 15, 2015 |
Shymm3x: Not true at all. You cannot ignore facts to make a debate suit your personal argument. In Osun for example, salaries is actually even more than total income which includes allocation from the FG. This is why some of us harp on about the salary trap and why, as a matter of urgency, we must must focus on certain things (power supply, transport, agriculture, commercial mining of solid minerals et al) that will help diversify the economies of many States to then create jobs and employment that will make the government stop being the biggest employer of labour. Aregbe made mistakes but him and others met the salary trap issue on ground and were simply not prepared for the severity of the problem. We can, once and for all, discuss the issue openly so that Nairalanders understand what is really going on or continue to convene a lynch mob for Yoruba leaders here based on only seeing a quarter of the big picture and the misinformation we are operating with. This is why we need tolerance and civility always . You state "every sane person" knows that the civil service is just a fraction of the recurrent expenditure yet you are wrong and merely misleading others here. these issues cannot be approached with sentiments because misinformation then begin flying around since we are only interested in defending the position we have taken rather than earnestly listening to others to understand what is going on in its entirety. We are therefore better prepared to be part of the solution. T he likes of Aregbesola, Amosun et al met huge debts on the ground when they took over. These guys also appreciated the salary trap issue and understood that providing jobs and diversifying the economies of their State was key to defeating the burden of government being the biggest employer of labour thereby constraining many States to use a vast portion, or even all , of FG allocation today for wage payment. these guys initiated many ambitious plans to tackle this. Aregbe sought to develop Agriculture, transport and tourism. Amosun was even innovatively given small government-backed loans to help many set up small businesses. These guys are not innocent of the situation they find themselves in but they are not to blame 100% either.[size=14pt] Do you for example know that GEJ dictatorially increased minimum wage to N18,000 years back when many States could not pay this and where not given the chance to opt out? You earn N1,000 a month and I insist you must pay your four domestic staff N300 monthly each. How is that fair when I refused to take your earning power into consideration?[/size] If people want to convene lynch mobs for yoruba leaders based on an incomplete take of what is actually going on and what has gone on in the past, to get us where we are today, then fine. That does not solve our problem or move us closer to being a useful think-tank that is ready to be part of the solution. http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/06/osun-state-metaphor-for-unpaid-salaries/
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 11:11am On Nov 15, 2015 |
Gbawe: @Bolded, the chart that started this debt debate clearly shows that. Nobody is saying we should not criticize our governors, we must be very constructive. I will not be part of anything that goes about arguing without facts, Someone is blaming Aregbe solely for Osun's debt when the guy met 9billion debt, they even took the debate up to Tinubu. They have stylishly classifying some of us as political stooges just because we have chosen to do the Yoruba thing which is being OBJECTIVE IN CRITICISM 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Gbawe: 11:15am On Nov 15, 2015 |
IyaIode: Thank you dear lady for showing you appreciate what some of us are saying. I just previously did not want to say anything personalised against anyone to ruin this fine thread but it is nauseating how Firefire and others are now going around pretending to be some uber Yoruba patriots and insinuating other are not with talk of "otito oro". and thigns like that What "otito oro" was he about when he was one of those feverishly backing GEJ to continue in power especially to the detriment of the SW? GEJ directly marginalised and 'neutered' the SW plus ruined the economy of Nigeria to actually put many SW States in serious difficulty. The same GEJ and his Party did all in their power to frustrate everything Lagos proposed and especially took the job of ruining any effort of Lagos to provide adequate power for itself. To top it all off, conservative estimate reckons that GEJ supervised the looting of circa $60 billion in the years he was president. Does the domestic debt of all Nigerian States, talk less of SW State, not appear insignificant next to that figure? State started struggling when the weak GEJ mandated they must pay an N18,000 minimum wage many could simply not afford. If we are to then chronicle events honestly and pragmatically to date it would be obvious it is entirely wrong to be convening a lynch mob here for yoruba leaders, as if they caused all the problem, and for a staunch backer of GEJ, in firefire, to be prancing around as if he is now the most patriotic Yoruba alive when the truth is that the Yoruba nation would most certainly be finished had GEJ continued in power. the problem is that many love speaking based on sentiments, emotions and without a full understanding of the facts. When the likes of myself then speak to tell them to calm do some research and gain an informed perspective that will help them see the solutions required we are called "politcal jobbers, paid goons" and other such nonsense. Is it right for us Yorubas, because of the half-truth and misinformation put out there by political mischief;makers like Omisore et al, to become an ALUU-like lynchmob that refuses to brook opposition or heed the call of others for them to do a little research and get informed? Who is saying Yoruba leaders are innocent? That is not and has never been my stance. What I do not like is a personalised refusal of many to look at everything that got us where we are today. 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Osomalo(m): 11:23am On Nov 15, 2015 |
Katsumoto: Kabiyesi oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Ki Ade Pe Lori, Ki Bata Pe Lese. You are welcome back Sir. I knew it, I knew you were gonna join us. It's an honour to have you here Sir. God bless Yorubaland, we shall overcome the problems. I believe. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Firefire(m): 11:31am On Nov 15, 2015 |
No response to Gbawe's theoretic rant above. ^^ 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Gbawe: 11:32am On Nov 15, 2015 |
IyaIode: God bless you. Same with with me. That is what I stated in my response to you above. How will the Yoruba nation on NL be about solution-provision when many are about merely just heaping the blame on Yoruba leaders and they totally refuse to see the truth, backed by statistics and facts, some of us are working with which shows why we urge caution while also insisting we must not throw the baby out with the bath water and that we must appreciate what we have and where we are today. Imagine Firefire stating Tinubu must be removed for the SW to thrive yet he is a staunch supporter of the President, GEJ, that has harmed the SW the most by far since 1999? Is that not ridiculous? To top it off, many of us that fought and campaigned for the Yorubas to be in the powerful position we are in today are "political stooges" and political jobbers" because, as you put it, some of us have indeed chosen to do the Yoruba thing which is being OBJECTIVE IN CRITICISM. Help me ask the lynch mob whether they were even on NL then or are aware of the issue of the unfeasible N18,000 minimum wage GEJ unilaterally foisted on Nigerian States, whether they could afford it or not, that has snowballed to cause some of the issues we see today. Try and show them this and they will say insultingly and unimaginatively we are "paid goons" making excuses for our political "paymasters". It must be one way alone and that is their way. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Osomalo(m): 11:35am On Nov 15, 2015 |
modath: Aunty, I supported Aregbesola during the election period(online ooooooo), I campaigned for him here simply because I hate Omisore. If PDP had fielded another person, they would have won. Truth be told, I only supported Jonathan Ologogoro online due to the beef I have for those born-to-rule dudes. Jonathan never delivered up to expectation and we all know it. All right, Ogbeni Fire.fire is a core PDP man. I got the message Ma'am. In my opinion, the way out of this mess is to mine our solid minerals. Each state is blessed with solid minerals which can sustain her. FG need to the the right so investors could come and invest into solid mineral mining. LG, State and FG will get their percentages while the investors will also get theirs. Everyone smiles, we clear our debt and move on. I have been working on something which I intend to set up in Osun next year, I've discussed the gold mining with my boss and he's ready to support me but with this present banga banga system we can't come in. We are witing for FG to do the needful. This poverty must end. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Firefire(m): 11:36am On Nov 15, 2015 |
Until Gbawe sees beyond his fortune from the selfish SW leaders, he cannot speak the truth. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 11:38am On Nov 15, 2015 |
Gbawe:Well said. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Osomalo(m): 11:41am On Nov 15, 2015 |
Ibebe: Whoooooooooooooo It would be nice to have this in Tongeji Island, Ipokia LG Ogun State. I dream of having something like this in the Island. The pic below.
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Firefire(m): 11:42am On Nov 15, 2015 |
modath: Let me laugh. Our leaders must be held accountable without any fear or favour. ACN turned APC hypocrisy, painting black white are responsible for some of us antagonizing their bad policies. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by anonimi: 11:44am On Nov 15, 2015 |
IyaIode: Please provide a credible link for this information you have provided. Thanks. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Osomalo(m): 11:44am On Nov 15, 2015 |
Firefire: Pls, let's avoid that unnecessary issue. Thanks. |
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