Katsumoto:


Ibebe - new moniker but what is your old moniker?

Ibebe:


Ahhh where should I start?

I know you on FB.

But bros, come back on. This is a sensitive time for us, we need you, Gbawe, shymmex, dayokanu etc. You all know the complexity of Yorubaland, more than JJCs like me.

Katsumoto:



Hahahahaha

I have been very busy in the last couple of years but I do drop by from time to time. Only that the quality in this section has gone down considerably. But this topic caught my eye even though I have only read the last 2 pages.

Hope you are keeping well.

Cjrane2:



wow!!! What did the buy with all that money?
Talking Drums?

Ibebe:


When we discuss our leaders, are we not being political?

I doubt political leadership and economical development are disconnected.

modath:


Thanks my sister.... didn't want to say nothing about this cos it's being looked at from a political leaning perspective, God knows i have never been to a political rally since after the Bola Ige Owa's Palace AD rally in 1999, that was more of waka pass...

I will say what it is without having to kowtow to anyone's opinion about how it should be said..

I don't get how we think we can get the Economics on point if the political is off key..

We talk of regional cohesion but of 6 states 2 are mortal enemies of the remaining 4 ...

How then do they co operate on issues of regional development... politics of EXCLUSION is what is being played in Nigeria

When we talk of Nigeria's peculiarity, do people take into cognizance that our laws & policies are crazy to start with,


How many elections end up in Tribunals in the west??

Are guns & machetes tools for elections.....

We have a systemic problem!!!!!!

Osomalo:


Emi ni yen ooooooo

E ku ile.

In Aregbese's voice, Osun A Dara. That state needs deliverance.

Ibebe:


Beautifully written

I do understand superstar1's (or was it shymmex) reluctant to discuss politics because it muddles everything. However, we can't develop our economically if we discuss the political stance of the leaders we chose. What are they for and what they're against determines what they're going to spend money on.

Yep, the problem is systematic......There are hidden complexities we, the people, aren't meant to know [understand].

Nigeria has a do or die political system [thanks to OBJ]. We can end it by cutting down salaries/bonuses drastically.

How will any forward thinking leader agree to insert in a contract termination clause of 1.5 billion USD in a 500m contract cos the beneficiary is a political affiliate!!!

Osomalo:


That Opon-Nonsense should be scrapped.

Imagine, no money to pay for WAEC yet there's money to fund Opon-Nonsense. I heard the news on fm 4days ago, the deputy said the state will be paying half and the parents will be paying half. Oro AregbeUseless ti sun mi. It's painful.

It's embarrassing.

9jacrip:


The same reason I decided to get off the thread and focus on my outing.

A chart based on facts showing mad debt was put up - any honest person should be riled up but I was surprised when some people came here to use the word 'chill' and still spin Aregbe's fuNK up to be as a result of financial crises and not necessarily his foolishness.

Ekaabo 'Oloso'-maloo of Osomaloo land

Gbawe:


Can you not see it? for the first time since 1999 we are now linked to a benevolent centre that will partner us and grant concession that can assist our development and that of all region that wishes to be serious and focused. You think it is for nothing Buhari has made Fayemi Minister of solid minerals when the sector was rendered moribund by political indolence and lack of goodwill in the past? As far as I see it, the situation is akin to being in prison for so long that you do not even want to leave your cell when the door is opened and you are told to leave. You insist on remaining where you are, cursing the wardens and lampooning the food when you are not impeded from walking out of the door into a new life that could be wonderful and fulfilled regardless of your past and prison years. We Yorubas should look at where we are and brainstorm how we must not squander this golden chance to work with a centre we now have so much influence in to better ourselves.

I am not suggesting I am right 100% but I am saying that we should at least seriously look at what matters and the reality allied to the advantageous position we find ourselves in today that has not been the case since 1999.

Shymm3x:


Loool. Sad.

The funniest thing is that none of them even bothered explaining to sway us, by highlighting (a, b, c, and d) why the recurrent expenditure in each state is that huge and the reasons for the huge debts profile. They just ran over the thread with well-coordinated attacks, saying a lot without saying anything. While heaping all the blame on the civil service.

Every sane person knows that the civil service is just a fraction of the recurrent expenditure. What about the rest? Shouldn't these folks who are card carrying members of these backward political parties with no ideology whatsoever be privy to the information?

Anyway, they won. We all logged out and gave them a free ride on the thread. It's over now - we want our thread back.

Osun State, metaphor for unpaid salaries
By Bolanle Oke on June 26, 2015 4:30 am


ABOUT two months ago, a female retiree of the Osun State public service called to complain about unpaid workers’ salaries, and wanted this writer to wade in, as an advocate of the masses.
After another caller came up with the same issue, it became imperative to find out what was going on in Osun State. The state truly owes about six months’ salary backlog, and the workers have become restive as a result.

The Governor, Ogbeni Rauf Aregbesola, attributes the unpaid salaries to the state’s dwindling revenue. For instance,[size=14pt] he revealed, revenue from all sources in 2012, including the Federation Account; internally generated revenue; and other accruals, like value added tax, from the Federal Government, yielded N28.4 billion, whereas total wage bill only was N31.6 billion, leaving a deficit of N3.2 billion. The same scenario was repeated in 2013, with a deficit of N10.4 billion.

It turned out also that dwindling oil revenue has made it difficult for the Federal Government, and 24 (some say 28) of Nigeria’s 36 states, to pay staff salaries. The initial cause of the palaver was the increase of minimum wage to N18,000, unilaterally entered into by the President Goodluck Jonathan Government with the labour unions. It became a kerfuffle when the price of crude oil plummeted, and reduced the revenue that accrued to the nation.[/size]

Gbawe:


Not true at all. You cannot ignore facts to make a debate suit your personal argument. In Osun for example, salaries is actually even more than total income which includes allocation from the FG. This is why some of us harp on about the salary trap and why, as a matter of urgency, we must must focus on certain things (power supply, transport, agriculture, commercial mining of solid minerals et al) that will help diversify the economies of many States to then create jobs and employment that will make the government stop being the biggest employer of labour. Aregbe made mistakes but him and others met the salary trap issue on ground and were simply not prepared for the severity of the problem.

IyaIode:

You people want to bring anti Tinubu whatever here, you want us to go the Apc vs pdp thing on this thread, i posted pictures earlier that showed most of the debt owed by Osun, Oyo and Ogun were actually acquired by previous Pdp governors, Oyo under Ajumobi has managed to reduce its debts by a billion.
Don't make me loose my cool here. I know how much Gbenga Daniel almost crippled Ogun state, i know how he left the state 12 billion naira external debt few years after Obj cleared everything.
If you people want to campaign, let us know o

Katsumoto:
I haven't read the entire thread but kudos to all asking pertinent questions.

In my view, the present SW Leadership is failing. Fashola apart, the others have been a disappointment - Aregbesola, Ajumobi, Fayemi, Amosun, Ambode, Mimiko.

There are no sustainable ideas from any of them. The sad part is that they are all missing a great opportunity.

Shymexx, Zimoni, Raumdeter, 9jacrip, Gbawe - Salutations to you all.

IyaIode:


@Bolded, the chart that started this debt debate clearly shows that. Nobody is saying we should not criticize our governors, we must be very constructive.
I will not be part of anything that goes about arguing without facts, Someone is blaming Aregbe solely for Osun's debt when the guy met 9billion debt, they even took the debate up to Tinubu. They have stylishly classifying some of us as political stooges just because we have chosen to do the Yoruba thing which is being OBJECTIVE IN CRITICISM

modath:


Osomalo, na wah for you oooo, but 1st & foremost i will state that Aregbese is a major tw@t who should have never sought a position of authority since he cannot pick his priorities & set them right....

You support Omisore & Jonathan (who are no saints as it is the NORM in our political landscape) which isn't a problem, It is your fundamental human right but you can't let firefire join you as a passenger on his Anti SW politics rhetorics....


He is quick to list out all the bad coming from APC SW states but you won't hear from him the brewing drama in EKITI state.

2 months now salaries haven't been paid but he has an effective PR system in place to stem any negative public opinion..



http://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/182543-nigerian-govt-borrowing-billions-to-pay-salaries-okonjo-iweala.html


It is a NATIONAL problem... October salary was paid first week in November, never used to happen...

Gbawe:


Thank you dear lady for showing you appreciate what some of us are saying. I just previously did not want to say anything personalised against anyone to ruin this fine thread but it is nauseating how Firefire and others are now going around pretending to be some uber Yoruba patriots and insinuating other are not with talk of "otito oro". and thigns like that What "otito oro" was he about when he was one of those feverishly backing GEJ to continue in power especially to the detriment of the SW? GEJ directly marginalised and 'neutered' the SW plus ruined the economy of Nigeria to actually put many SW States in serious difficulty. The same GEJ and his Party did all in their power to frustrate everything Lagos proposed and especially took the job of ruining any effort of Lagos to provide adequate power for itself.

To top it all off, conservative estimate reckons that GEJ supervised the looting of circa $60 billion in the years he was president. Does the domestic debt of all Nigerian States, talk less of SW State, not appear insignificant next to that figure? State started struggling when the weak GEJ mandated they must pay an N18,000 minimum wage many could simply not afford.

If we are to then chronicle events honestly and pragmatically to date it would be obvious it is entirely wrong to be convening a lynch mob here for yoruba leaders, as if they caused all the problem, and for a staunch backer of GEJ, in firefire, to be prancing around as if he is now the most patriotic Yoruba alive when the truth is that the Yoruba nation would most certainly be finished had GEJ continued in power. the problem is that many love speaking based on sentiments, emotions and without a full understanding of the facts. When the likes of myself then speak to tell them to calm do some research and gain an informed perspective that will help them see the solutions required we are called "politcal jobbers, paid goons" and other such nonsense. Is it right for us Yorubas, because of the half-truth and misinformation put out there by political mischief;makers like Omisore et al, to become an ALUU-like lynchmob that refuses to brook opposition or heed the call of others for them to do a little research and get informed? Who is saying Yoruba leaders are innocent? That is not and has never been my stance. What I do not like is a personalised refusal of many to look at[b] everything[/b] that got us where we are today.

Ibebe:
Lagos

modath:


Osomalo, na wah for you oooo, but 1st & foremost i will state that Aregbese is a major tw@t who should have never sought a position of authority since he cannot pick his priorities & set them right....

You support Omisore & Jonathan (who are no saints as it is the NORM in our political landscape) which isn't a problem, It is your fundamental human right but you can't let firefire join you as a passenger on his Anti SW politics rhetorics....


He is quick to list out all the bad coming from APC SW states but you won't hear from him the brewing drama in EKITI state.

2 months now salaries haven't been paid but he has an effective PR system in place to stem any negative public opinion..



http://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/182543-nigerian-govt-borrowing-billions-to-pay-salaries-okonjo-iweala.html


It is a NATIONAL problem... October salary was paid first week in November, never used to happen...

IyaIode:
@Bolded, the chart that started this debt debate clearly shows that. Nobody is saying we should not criticize our governors, we must be very constructive.
I will not be part of anything that goes about arguing without facts, Someone is blaming Aregbe solely for Osun's debt when the guy met 9billion debt

Firefire:
Until Gbawe sees beyond his fortune from the selfish SW leaders, he cannot speak the truth.