kabe1:


I really don't know how I feel about this purchase. We are tying a huge percentage of our military air capabilities to American control.

Well, nobody will say President Buhari is not investing in security.

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Odunayaw:
If the FG have learnt anything at all, they'd run for their lives. This will effectively tie almost 50% of our attack platform to the whims of the US

But meh, I know my government will reason from their intestines so I wouldn't hold my breath

te author=JOSCOFELIX post=111955659] three day ago Russia had call some African country including Nigeria about improving it bilateral and military cooperation and assuring African country that if they is a bilateral support from African toward Moscow, that it will see more benefit for African country and today US have agree with the procurement of AH1z they refused to sell shouting human right. NATO and USA should know African would not be there boy. shine your eye Nigeria would not risk it relation with russia[/quote]

I think it is probably a tactic used by the US to draw Nigeria in as they know we are looking at the Turkish and Indian attack helos.

Just like they tried with Indonesia who look like going for the Rafale and the US put out a proposal for I think the F16. We will wait and see as both army aviation and NAF need new attack helos.

Anybody got any info on the below? I am not quite sure what to make of it.

"As soon as he was sworn into office, he awarded contracts to the best ship builders across the globe to deliver world class warships with very advanced war capabilities to the Nigerian Navy. Dozens of warships are billed to arrive Nigeria and join the burgeoning naval fleet. This a welcomed development and a sign of more good things to come. The Nigerian Navy is similarly in the process of acquiring Torpedoes, Destroyers and many other hard wares that will not only place it amongst the top Navies around the world but will ensure that Nigerian territorial waters are never threatened. This is good news for an administration that is less than one year in office".

https://www.blueprint.ng/nigerian-navy-as-guardian-of-the-coast/

Stormtrooper11:

Sorry, please what does that mean? I couldn't get it.

It simply means " commot for road missile" CFRM.

Nemesis4you:


In the context of current discussion,
Sovereign guarantee is issued by the seller in lieu of advance payments by the buyer, which can be cashed by the buyer on breach of agreement / failed delivery etc

I believe you should have mentioned line of credit instead

Yes, I was thinking more of a deffered payment guarantee (sovereign Bank Guarantee) through a Russian bank (assuming this method can be used for arms payment).

kabe1:
I'm sorry to say, but the respondents above, from @Giles14 down did not read to understand the post by @rka1.


@Rka1 did not say Nigeria is going to ask for a loan from Russia to purchase a Western aircraft.

He's saying Nigeria could possibly get a loan from Russia to purchase MI-28NE attack helicopters.

Also I have never seen where Nigeria took a loan to purchase military equipment, hasn't happened before, won't happen now.

Yes, my post was misunderstood. I was just speculating concerning a loan from Russia for Russian equipment but was really thinking along the lines of staggered payments or sovereign guarantees like for the JF-17 by the Pakistani Government.

kabe1:


Well, I usually don't celebrate Nigerian personnel at Air Shows.

We are the official kings of look and pass.

The Super Cobra deal doesn't seem legit to me either. I know credible agencies like Reuters carried the news, but I'm on the fence on that.

We also have the M346FA, if we are actually buying that, how can we afford to buy Attack helps almost immediately?

Remember the M346 model was on the former CAS, Sadique's table way back and not something that was negotiated this year. Besides, there is the extra budgetary allocation and who knows, maybe a loan from Russia. Also, I think there is a sort of fund that is going to be set up for the Armed Forces. These deals will probably be spread over a few years.

For all we know, Nigeria might be one of the below countries


[b]ROSOBORONEXPORT PRESS SERVICE PRESS RELEASES
ROSOBORONEXPORT SIGNS 20 CONTRACTS WORTH €2 BILLION WITH FOREIGN CUSTOMERS AT ARMY 2021
30.08.2021 Press release
Rosoboronexport JSC (part of the Rostec State Corporation) has held more than 70 negotiations with representatives of 35 countries during the Army 2021 International Military-Technical Forum.

"As a result of negotiations with foreign partners held at the Army 2021 Forum, Rosoboronexport has signed about 20 contract documents totaling over €2 billion," said Alexander Mikheev, Director General of Rosoboronexport.

According to the agreements concluded with foreign customers, Rosoboronexport will export Russian defense industry products for all services of the armed forces, as well as electronic warfare and air defense equipment in the coming years. Among them are the Su-30 type aircraft, Mi-35P, Mi-171SH and Mi-17V-5 helicopters, air weapons, Pantsir-S1 self-propelled anti-aircraft gun/missile (SPAAGM) system, Kornet-EM ATGM system, remotely controlled weapon stations, weapons for surface combatants and submarines, small arms and short-range weapons, various ammunition.

"The agreements reached by Rosoboronexport to supply foreign customers with the latest Pantsir-S1M SPAAGM system, Krasukha electronic warfare (EW) system and the Repellent-Patrol mobile counter-drone EW system are the first export contracts for these weapons," Alexander Mikheev added. “In addition, for the first time in the history of military-technical cooperation between Russia and foreign countries, we have agreed to integrate Russia’s Palma shipborne gun/missile CIWS into a ship’s foreign-made weapons system."

Live demonstrations of weapons, military and special equipment, organized by the Russian Ministry of Defense and Rosoboronexport for the company's foreign partners, became a highlight of the forum. The event involved Russian weapons and equipment for the ground forces and army aviation promoted by Rosoboronexport in external markets and was held at the Alabino Proving Ground[/b]

http://roe.ru/eng/press-service/press-releases/rosoboronexport-signs-20-contracts-worth-2-billion-with-foreign-customers-at-army-2021/?from_main

kabe1:


This doesn't mean anything in a Nigerian context.

We've never closed any significant deals of note in any of these air shows.

We only go there, look, come back home and have a different competition.

There is that, although we know they are buying Russian helo(s) after the Super Cobra debacle. Which one(s) is the question.

bidexiii:



Definitely something good is coming from the delegations visit, all thanks to uncle Sam intimal denial.

Oh yes!

MOSCOW - Members of a Nigerian delegation inspect a Russian Mil Mi-28NE Night Hunter military helicopter during the opening day of the MAKS-2021 International Aviation and Space Salon at Zhukovsky outside Moscow on July 20, 2021.
DIMITAR DILKOFF/AFP via Getty Images

Let's hope something will come of this:

MOSCOW - Members of a Nigerian delegation inspect a Russian Mil Mi-28NE Night Hunter military helicopter during the opening day of the MAKS-2021 International Aviation and Space Salon at Zhukovsky outside Moscow on July 20, 2021.
DIMITAR DILKOFF/AFP via Getty Images

Toju200:
looks like we got lots of female drone pilots

Sure does.

AIR MARSHAL AMAO WINGS 25 NEW PILOTS TO ENHANCE NAF’S COMBAT READINESS7 September, 2021

Pilot training in the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) received further boost with the recent winging of 25 additional pilots comprising 20 Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) pilots and 5 fixed and rotary wing aircraft pilots. Speaking during the winging ceremony at NAF Headquarters, the Chief of Air Staff (CAS), Air Marshal Amao specifically expressed his delight at the winging of UAV pilots as UAVs, unlike manned aircraft, offer relatively lower costs of procurement, operation, and maintenance as well as a capability to undertake high risk operations. With the recent acquisition of new platforms for the NAF, the CAS noted that the increased manpower base of both manned and unmanned pilots would be critical to NAF’s future operations. According to Air Marshal Amao, “All these efforts at pilots training are aimed at maintaining combat readiness at significantly higher levels to counter both domestic and foreign threats to the nation’s security and wellbeing of our people.” Air Marshal Oladayo Amao also disclosed that more pilots as well as personnel from other specialties were attending various trainings both at home and abroad. These efforts, according to him, are expected to place the NAF in a dominant position to deliver on its constitutional role especially in the light of its involvement in several counter insurgency and anti-banditry operations across the country.

Speaking further, Air Marshal Amao noted that the NAF currently has a total of 169 officers and airmen/airwomen undergoing diverse training courses overseas cutting across several specialties and trades. Out of this number, according to the CAS, 44 are student pilots who are undergoing training in South Africa, the United States as well as in NAF training facilities in Kano and Kaduna. The CAS also revealed that a set of 21 officers will soon resume UAV training at the 401 FTS, Kaduna and are projected to complete their training by March 2022. He added that, under his watch as the CAS, the NAF has also developed a formal capacity to train UAV Pilots from Ab-Initio to tactical level of flying. Despite these achievements, the CAS noted that the NAF cannot afford to rest on its oars in training its personnel for improved operational effectiveness. “This is in view of the Federal Government’s determination in acquiring state of the art weaponry to enable the Armed Forces of Nigeria combat the numerous security challenges in the Country”, he added. Air Marshal Amao also paid glowing tribute to the President, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, President Muhammadu Buhari for his unwavering commitment and support to the development and enhancement of the entire Armed Forces of Nigeria.


While giving the highlights of the training content, the Chief of Training and Operations (CTOP), Air Vice Marshal (AVM) James Gwani disclosed that of the 25 winged pilots, 17 had completed the UAV Course 3 while 3 completed the CH-3A UAV Operational Conversion Course locally at 401 Flying Training School (FTS), Kaduna. The 5 fixed and rotary wing pilots, on the other hand, completed the L-39 Basic and Advanced Pilot Training at the Centre of Flying Training of the Czech Air Force, Czech Republic. They also underwent training at the Basic Military Helicopter as well as Mission and Tactics Training at United States Army Aviation Flight School, Fort Rucker and Western Army Aviation Training Site, Arizona, United States. For the UAV training, AVM Gwani further stated that the Course was divided into 3 phases; the ground academics, UAV initial flying and Basic UAV training phase and entailedd each officer flying the minimum requirement of an average of 45 hours comprising 10 hours actual and 35 hours simulator flight hours at the initial flying phase. “The Basic UAV training phase involved 40 hours internal UAV pilot training on UAV mission planning and execution, emergency procedures, position reporting as well as external and internal pilot coordination amongst others”, he said. The L-39 Basic and Advanced Pilot Training was however conducted in 2 phases: Basic Flying Training and Advanced Flying phase. According to AVM Gwani, the officers flew an average of 60 hours on the L-39 aircraft in the Basic Flying training phase before proceeding to the Advanced flying training phase. He further stated that the Advanced flying training phase consisted of 80 instructional flight hours covering medium and low-level formation flying, Strike training comprising single and two ship as well as introduction to basic fighter manoeuvre offensive and defensive. In all, according to the CTOP, the officers had an average of 140 hours of actual flying. I am glad to state that the average pass mark of the entire course was 80 percent.” he concluded.


Recall that barely 2 months ago, precisely on16 July 2021, the CAS winged 6 young NAF helicopter pilots, who had completed their basic flying training at Draken Helicopter Academy, United Kingdom. These trainings are part of efforts to enhance the operational readiness of the NAF as noted by the CAS when he stated that, “The most critical airpower capability that must be enhanced and sustained for effective and efficient performance is the human being that operates the air platforms"

kabe1:


The Ocea boats from france are armed. I have not seen anywhere in the world where a research/scientific ship is armed with more than a cannon at most.

It's quite ridiculous that some of you experienced defence contributors are making these sorts of complaints about the armament on NNS Lana.

What makes you think I am talking about NNS Lana (It will be armed by the Navy as it also carries out a security role) or making a complaint?

I am talking about the FPB 72 & 110 boats which arrived without canons and were subsequently installed by the Navy. Other navies like the Algerian Navy had theirs delivered with RWSs.

The navy usually install one of the Singapore Technology Kinetics cannons.

BTW, you don't have to go on the offensive even if you disagree.

willybaby:
excess defence article again, that's how we received ships (NNS THUNDER and CENTENARY) after enough boy boy to the USA, ships that were totally stripped of all offensive and defensive capabilities with only canons left, cannons that I have not even seen the NN fire even in training, also two alpha jets we were able to get was so stripped it seems we had to repaint it our self's, kudos to NAF who were able to retrofit and upgrade the jets to be able to carry dumb bombs and shot Rockets..

Sorry if am not estatic, has the USA been a good military partner to us the answer is NO...

You won't get any argument from me as I agree. I think the navy just wants the hull of vessels and then up-arm them. They even do that with the new Ocea boats from France.

bidexiii:



Thanks for sharing this, I love the top brass in the NAF HQ, this is a great deal. Training of its personnel's including (pilots and engineers).

No problem. Definitely a great deal and I'm sure more to come. Keep up the good work and ignore the trolls.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://thenationonlineng.net/u-s-security-ties-with-nigeria-not-threatened/&ved=2ahUKEwj10pvm_qPyAhWHecAKHdpeD2oQxfQBMAR6BAgLEAM&usg=AOvVaw3nTIyU6lHps3gbp0aKBBWX

Plans also for US Excess Defence Articles for NN;

Asked if there were plans by the U.S to transfer naval assets to Nigerian Navy (NN) under the Excess Defence Article programme, Pierangelo said talks were on, adding that the NN had indicated interest in a number of equipment and that there were eligible to request.

“The NN has expressed great interest in receiving ships from the Excess Defence Article programs. They are of course eligible. Our partnership remains strong with Nigerian Navy. We are here to train and work with the Nigerian Navy. It is important we engage with Nigerian agencies,” she said.

Some more details relating to the Super Tucano deal:

The United States has $590 million in active government-to-government sales cases with Nigeria under the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) system. FMS cases notified to Congress are listed here . Recent and significant sales include up to 12 A-29 Super Tucano aircraft worth $497 million to support Nigerian military operations against Boko Haram and ISIS West Africa and counter illicit trafficking in Nigeria and the Gulf of Guinea. The case includes special training on the Law of Armed Conflict and International Humanitarian Law. Nigeria also has active air-to-ground integration to mitigate the possibility of civilian harm. The persistent light attack and Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (ISR) capabilities Nigeria will develop upon completion of this sale and associated programming involve more than just airplanes – Nigeria will have the trained personnel and sustainment infrastructure to ensure a robust capability for the aircrafts’ full service lifetime.

In FY 2019, the United States also authorized the permanent export of over $127,525 in defense articles to Nigeria via the Direct Commercial Sales (DCS) process. The top categories of DCS to Nigeria were Fire Control, Laser, Imaging, and Guidance Equipment; Aircraft and Related Articles; and Military Electronics.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-nigeria/&ved=2ahUKEwjzltjj-qPyAhUpRhUIHX_KCRoQFnoECDEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0AAk10ZVNGIhI3p3HZwgmR&cshid=1628513680836

mekussa:
Warri abi Delta boiz.....
You guys should get a room please.

na rake we dey rake na.

komekn:


You want teach fish how to swim abe.

I know no Sapele like the back of my hand, my older brother even went St Malachi's, arguably the roughest school in Nigeria at the time.

See this small boy, my friends were from Okotie Eboh GS, St. Malachy's and were not your brothers mates. You were born in Scotland were you not?

komekn:


You take pride in having no knowledge and castigate those with knowledge. You are unable to understand and so you hide under aggressive posturing and baseless assumptions.

I don't want to call it ignorance as you will take offence.

I don't go about throwing insults as only losers do that when they have nothing to offer.

komekn:


I was born in the UK but made in Warri.

And no be Delta estate I grow or plantation Estate. But rugged Avenue.

But that was before your time.

I was born in Sapele, then Bendel State, currently domiciled in the UK. I be proper Saffi guy. Them never born you when I dey roll, so no go there.

komekn:


You have TOTALLY EVADED the question l raised which was for you to substantiate evidence based. Your all encompassing proposition I reiterate verbatim, "number one enemy of Nigeria is already dragging NAF"

You did not say abuse of power, election fraud, corruption, insecurity, etc

How exactly is Sahara reporters the number one enemy of Nigeria. I ask once again.

Your view on peaceful legal protest are very retrogresive. You have not been able to consider the political issues with any depth that ate at play with Sowore but you cast aspersions that have zero substance.

You really want don't have any understanding hence the discourse is going over your head.

Waka pass, you have nothing to offer.

komekn:


I do not agree with the bold.

Sahara reporters has been bbehind the exposure of multiple instances of government corruption, disinformation and misinformation.

How did you come to that conclusion ❓ It would be beneficial to all if you could evidence your proposition and we can all join you to condemn Sahara reporters.

Honesty, Integrity and Truth are not on the dinner menu of our Government institutions as a regular diet.

Just look at the number of times the NA changed its story at the Lekki gate crisis. A situation where what they were doing was seem live and across the globe. But they denied it all.

Sahara Reporters was not responsible for exposing the error the NAF made, it was Tomasz - https://mobile.twitter.com/TomaszRolbiecki SR just tried to grab the glory as they constantly look for negative stories to publish and avoid positive news like the plague.

it was merely an error and some wrong photos were used,, not that the decimation of BH technicals and men didn't happen. The right pictures have now been posted, same result.

SR has continued a campaign to discredit the Government by only publishing bad news and not even correcting their reports when they have been exposed on numerous occasions just because their man, Sowore, didn't win in 2019 (as if). He called for a revolution, which is treasonable, and amongst the people who tried to hijack the EndSars protest for his selfish reasons. He was arrested and again and again kept breaching his bail conditions while his paper continued their agenda. Honesty and Truth are very far from SR.

I see you are saying Lekki Gate Crisis and not Lekki Massacre, which didn't happen. The only thing that the army denied was being there and nothing else.

komekn:


From what I have seen and reported the Chadians do not have much of an airforce ( in actual fact I doubt if they have up to one tenth of the armoured vehicles that Nigeria has) but are revered and regarded as the desert Warriors of Africa.

Putting your proposition about air support to question as the overriding component for success.

The centre of the insurgency is not Chad, but Nigeria. If BH/ISWAP were domiciled in a region of Chad, they will have long been in trouble without the help/support of France.

It is far easier to deploy to a foreign country or the odd operation, even with limited air power, and then have the luxury of retreating without the daily grind of being attacked by BH/ISWAP. Mind you, even Chad is equipped with SU-25, Mi-35s & armed Mi-17 helos, which they use. France has saved them on a couple of occasions, if i'm not mistaken, when rebels invaded from the north and were repelled by French Mirage 2000s (example of air power in use).
When Bagram air base was attacked on several occasions in Afghanistan, what was the first thing the allies requested? Airpower. Even when out on patrol, the teams were not far away from air support when called upon. There were occasions the British didn't get the support in good time with predictable outcomes. See below extract:

[b]"The lack of one or two pairs of eyes above the patrols meant the enemy could deploy undetected, could manoeuvre unseen, could retreat safely to kill again another day.  The absence of an aircraft the troops would have had seventy years ago has meant that there has been no radio relay facility in difficult situations when, as so often, the Bowman radios failed to work, and no safe reconnaissance vehicle was available for the battalion commanders' liaison visits. 

Let us look at just two examples, the first being the morning Lieutenant Mark Evison led a platoon of twenty men on a reconnaissance patrol to investigate some compounds the Taliban had used as firing points.  The enemy responded within thirty minutes, but with no SMA overhead the patrol was confused about the sources of the crossfire.  When one source was identified and mortar support needed, radio failure prevented the request being made.  An SMA would have acted alone with small bombs or machine gun, or would have called the fire support team directly.

Tragic: Lieutenant Mark Evison's life-support machine was switched off after he suffered acute injuries as a consequence of coming under Taliban fire

When Evison's radio failed too, he exposed himself while trying to communicate with one of his section leaders by hand signals and voice, and he was hit.  When the Taliban fire then became more intense, his men realised that they were caught in a 360 degree ambush mounted by fifty to sixty insurgents and, outnumbered three-to-one, that they had a serious problem.  A couple of SMAs above them would have changed this picture radically.[/b]"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2158676/Lack-sufficient-aircraft-jeapardised-Britains-military-capability-led-avoidable-sacrifice-Helmand.html

Whilst not minimising properly trained personnel in COIN/CT (which the COAS has been concentrating on building up the last few years), airpower can be pivotal and be the deciding factor and provide the overwhelming advantage in crushing the enemy. You are not looking at being on par with an enemy that doesn't value life and would quite happily sarcrifice itself, but you want the ability to exterminate them with overwhelming firepower.

You guys should do basic research. It was the guy below that noticed some photos were from other theatres of operation and SR copied from the guy.

Tomasz Rolbiecki

@TomaszRolbiecki

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3h

NAF admitted those pictures were added by mistake and apologized in a very professional manner. (this is why they are my favourite branch of Nigerian Armed Forces, this and the airstrikes)

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Tomasz Rolbiecki

@TomaszRolbiecki

· Jan 18

Dear Nigerian Air Force, only 1 of those photos is actually from Marte (the second one). Photo number 1 is from 2018 and was taken in Damasak. Photos number 2 and 3 are indeed from 2021 but were taken in Gujba. There are many photos from Marte but please, choose the correct ones.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TomaszRolbiecki

I think you are at sixes and sevens with each other. Toju200 is referring to the Mi-24Vs while Kabe1 is referring to the Mi-35Ps. Two Mi-35Ps were reactivated while the Mi-24s are awaiting reactivation.

lebuhsi:


+ it's a very useless argument, what is the use of conflicting if you don't have tactical & technical superiority over your enemy??

Exactly, hence the USA and her allies strive to always have the upperhand regarding superior weaponry and tactics. They don't want to be on par with you, they want to exterminate you with extreme prejudice.

Ps: thanks for the little correction, not sure what I was thinking

If anyone has ever followed/read about COIN/CT operations worldwide, you will acknowledge that nobody fights such wars without air support because insurgents overwhelm you with numbers etc.
You will never find American or UK troops deploying without air support because they know they will be overwhelmed. It is the first thing they call for when they hear the sound of a bullet.

Now the Nigerian military has finally bitten the bullet and understands that and now that the required platforms are arriving, it is goodnight Vienna for BH.

Xbee007:

There is no sanction stopping us from doing so. I wonder where people get that sanction story from.

It came from the Nigerian Ambassador to Russia.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/aerospace/military-helicopters/niger-orders-a-dozen-mi-35-helicopters-from-russia/

kabe1:


With the recent offensive I would expect NAF to begin as a matter of urgency quick fire drills on base protection in Borno, Yola and Zamfara.

SF forces and QRF need to practice base defence as often as possible to ensure any terrorist adventurism is decisively squashed.

I trust the CAS would have seen to that. He even posts Regiment personnel with SF backup to bases that are being built not to mention established bases.

kabe1:


This is by far the best combat footage I've seen!!!

Most definitely, especially as it has follow-up footage which we don't normally see. I'm sure there's much more they are not showing us.